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Justice Sonia Sotomayor: If Gay Marriage Is Legal, What About Polygamy?
http://politics.gather.com ^ | March 27, 2013 | by Renee Nal

Posted on 03/27/2013 1:11:54 PM PDT by Maelstorm

Justice Sonia Sotomayor was questioning former U.S. Solicitor General Ted Olson, a pro-gay marriage Republican. She brought up a very interesting question during the exchange: If gay marriage is legal, what about polygamy?

Sotomayor asked, "If you say that marriage is a fundamental right, what state restrictions could ever exist?" before referencing "polygamy and incest among adults," as reported by Matt Canham of the Salt Lake Tribune. The argument is an illustration of a broader issue about the culture of American society. To agree that gay marriage is indeed protected by the "equal protection" clause in the Constitution, wouldn't the same apply for all consenting adult relationships?

Justice Sonia Sotomayor's thought-provoking question was echoed by Bishop Harry Jackson, a minister at Hope Christian Church in Beltsville, Md. He believes that "the real issue is the religious liberty issue and the issue of whether we can practice marriage as we believe it on an ongoing basis," and further stated that if same-sex marriage "is allowed to be mandated by fiat...then, right behind it, polygamy and many other forms of marriage will automatically sweep the land within just a matter of a few years." Advocates of legalizing gay marriage, as opposed to offering a compromise of "civil unions," which they argue is no different than "separate but equal" should consider this question.

Recently, President Obama's "Organizing for Action" tweeted a quote from the president, whose position on this has "evolved" in a big way from 2008, when he stated, "I believe marriage is between a man and a woman. I am not in favor of gay marriage." The tweet quoted the President as saying: "Every single American deserves to be treated equally in the eyes of the law," followed by the hashtag #MarriageEquality. If this is true, than America should do away with programs like affirmative action, which do not treat everyone "equally". Additionally, if this is true, than loving polygamous families should be allowed to get married.


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Looks like the "wise latina" didn't get the memo from the White House. Still I wouldn't count on her not going along with the left wing of the court but that she dared bring up this argument is pretty amazing.
1 posted on 03/27/2013 1:11:54 PM PDT by Maelstorm
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To: Maelstorm

And the ultimate goal is pedophilia.


2 posted on 03/27/2013 1:13:00 PM PDT by vetvetdoug
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To: vetvetdoug

The ultimate goal is Sharia.


3 posted on 03/27/2013 1:14:02 PM PDT by Old Sarge (We are officially over the precipice, we just havent struck the ground yet...)
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To: vetvetdoug

Yup.


4 posted on 03/27/2013 1:14:32 PM PDT by Black Agnes
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To: vetvetdoug

And when pedophilia is lawful then Sharia law will fit right in..

No worries we have a celebtrity King to tells us we are safe. Everyone is fat and happy.


5 posted on 03/27/2013 1:14:33 PM PDT by Truth2012
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To: Maelstorm

What About Polygamy?

It is illegal also. Did she really go to school? She should know that the Mormons have fought multiple times on multiple wives.


6 posted on 03/27/2013 1:16:30 PM PDT by mountainlion (Live well for those that did not make it back.)
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To: Maelstorm

Pandora’s Box


7 posted on 03/27/2013 1:17:14 PM PDT by no-to-illegals (Scrutinize our government and Secure the Blessing of Freedom and Justice)
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To: Maelstorm

It should be noted that Hispanics and blacks passed California’s Proposition 8. It failed with white voters.


8 posted on 03/27/2013 1:17:49 PM PDT by MeganC (The left have so twisted public perceptions that the truth now appears pornographic.- SpaceBar)
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To: vetvetdoug

Pedophilia, same-sex marriage, abortion — all items in the agenda of the culture of death.

No reproduction.


9 posted on 03/27/2013 1:18:04 PM PDT by 353FMG ( I do not indicate whether I am serious or sarcastic -- I respect FReepers too much.)
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To: Maelstorm

Polygamy has been practiced by various human civilizations for hundreds of years whereas “gay marriage” has been a recent invention barely one generation old. From a legal viewpoint, it makes more sense to legalize polygamy than to invent a new definition of marriage involving same gender partners.


10 posted on 03/27/2013 1:18:42 PM PDT by Vigilanteman (Obama: Fake black man. Fake Messiah. Fake American. How many fakes can you fit in one Zer0?)
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To: Maelstorm

11 posted on 03/27/2013 1:19:05 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (I'll raise $2million for Sarah Palin's presidential run. What'll you do?)
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To: mountainlion

Yep...Reynolds vs. US


12 posted on 03/27/2013 1:19:16 PM PDT by Las Vegas Ron (Medicine is the keystone in the arch of socialism)
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To: Maelstorm

Okay of two sisters marry? The couple could not produce mutant kids (like incest), so why not?


13 posted on 03/27/2013 1:20:02 PM PDT by SERKIT ("Blazing Saddles" explains it all.......)
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To: mountainlion

As one analyst said about this case it is not the Constitutionality of gay marriage that is being debated, it is the Constitutionality of traditional marriage that is being debated. If the Court overturns traditional marriage then I expect them to rule in such a way that a polygamy case doesn’t have to come before them. They can do so by stating that the state has no vested interest in limits on any marriages between consenting adults.

Given that Hugh Hefner and Charlie Sheen and no end of urban black men can openly practice polygamy then why can’t anyone else?


14 posted on 03/27/2013 1:21:23 PM PDT by MeganC (The left have so twisted public perceptions that the truth now appears pornographic.- SpaceBar)
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To: MeganC

Interesting point.


15 posted on 03/27/2013 1:21:44 PM PDT by jersey117
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To: Maelstorm

So what was Olsen’s answer?


16 posted on 03/27/2013 1:22:01 PM PDT by what's up
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To: MeganC

That’s serial polygamy, they want traditional one groom, three brides polygamy.


17 posted on 03/27/2013 1:23:17 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (I'll raise $2million for Sarah Palin's presidential run. What'll you do?)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

No, the examples I pointed out were of people who practice concurrent conjugal relationships, not consecutive relationships. For the record, traditional beliefs about marriage do not allow for divorce and they see any subsequent marriages as polygamy.


18 posted on 03/27/2013 1:25:50 PM PDT by MeganC (The left have so twisted public perceptions that the truth now appears pornographic.- SpaceBar)
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To: mountainlion

Do you not understand why she asked? It’s a rhetorical question.


19 posted on 03/27/2013 1:26:21 PM PDT by EDINVA
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To: KC_Lion

*ping*


20 posted on 03/27/2013 1:26:51 PM PDT by MeganC (The left have so twisted public perceptions that the truth now appears pornographic.- SpaceBar)
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To: MeganC
Just being sarcastic about what the “wise latino” said. Obama leaned on the court on obamashare so what is law will have less to do with the decision than politics.
21 posted on 03/27/2013 1:28:12 PM PDT by mountainlion (Live well for those that did not make it back.)
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To: vetvetdoug

how about INvoluntary marriage?


22 posted on 03/27/2013 1:28:29 PM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: EDINVA
Do you not understand why she asked? It’s a rhetorical question.

My reply was sarcasm about a “wise lanino”. I guess I should have put /s on it.

23 posted on 03/27/2013 1:30:02 PM PDT by mountainlion (Live well for those that did not make it back.)
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To: mountainlion

she should also know the federal government MANDATED marriage as one man and one woman as a condition of utah statehood.


24 posted on 03/27/2013 1:30:52 PM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: mountainlion

I’m not. She’s a Latino and it would not be unusual for her to be liberal on most topics and staunch conservative on marriage. Meaning that she should not be counted on to be a reliable vote for the gays on this one.


25 posted on 03/27/2013 1:32:00 PM PDT by MeganC (The left have so twisted public perceptions that the truth now appears pornographic.- SpaceBar)
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To: mountainlion

Did she really go to school? She should know that the Mormons have fought multiple times on multiple wives.
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Did you really go to school? You should know that the Mormons have not practiced polygamy for over 100 years, and it is an excommunicate-able offense.

cue the anti Mormon patrol in 3...2...1...


26 posted on 03/27/2013 1:32:53 PM PDT by Ripliancum (Mosiah 29:27. Look it up.)
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To: longtermmemmory

“she should also know the federal government MANDATED marriage as one man and one woman as a condition of utah statehood.”

As a Supreme Court Justice she should also know that their ruling will trump that mandate.


27 posted on 03/27/2013 1:33:18 PM PDT by MeganC (The left have so twisted public perceptions that the truth now appears pornographic.- SpaceBar)
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To: Maelstorm
Sotomayor asked, "If you say that marriage is a fundamental right, what state restrictions could ever exist?" before referencing "polygamy and incest among adults," as reported by Matt Canham of the Salt Lake Tribune. The argument is an illustration of a broader issue about the culture of American society. To agree that gay marriage is indeed protected by the "equal protection" clause in the Constitution, wouldn't the same apply for all consenting adult relationships?

Thoughtful comment - BUT she's innocent of elite liberal thinking - IF it's all wide open - why would 'marriage' be restricted to 'adults' or for that matter 'humans'? Elite liberals want to destroy marriage - the 'gay issue' is only step one.

28 posted on 03/27/2013 1:34:14 PM PDT by GOPJ (DHS HAS secured: 1.6 BILLION bullets - 2.700 tanks and 35,000 drones ...to use on American soil...)
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Different “status”. Sotomayor is playing games to give the impression she is being thoughtful.


29 posted on 03/27/2013 1:35:39 PM PDT by Gene Eric (The Palin Doctrine.)
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To: Maelstorm

Why not?

30 posted on 03/27/2013 1:38:01 PM PDT by Uncle Miltie (Due Process 2013: "Burn the M*****-F***er Down!")
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To: Ripliancum
cue the anti Mormon patrol in 3...2...1..

There are splinter groups that want polygamy and they were called poligs or something. The muslims want several wives to I expect that polygamy will come back through Obama.

31 posted on 03/27/2013 1:38:56 PM PDT by mountainlion (Live well for those that did not make it back.)
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To: vetvetdoug; Old Sarge

Old sarge is closer to the truth.

The goal is to criminalize Christianity and to be able to use the power of the State to eradicate Christians and Christian beliefs.


32 posted on 03/27/2013 1:39:41 PM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter admits whom he's working for)
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To: GOPJ

I just got a beautiful Gibson Recording King archtop made in 1939. I demand that I be allowed to wed the guitar.


33 posted on 03/27/2013 1:40:03 PM PDT by harwood (Ann Coulter: Future SCOTUS nominee!)
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To: Ripliancum

If ‘gay’ marriage is allowed, it re-opens the door for all other ‘marriages’... Man and dog - women and 500 illegal aliens - man and 20 wives... really, if the State can’t define marriage between a man and a woman - then they can’t define it... PERIOD.


34 posted on 03/27/2013 1:40:36 PM PDT by GOPJ (DHS HAS secured: 1.6 BILLION bullets - 2.700 tanks and 35,000 drones ...to use on American soil...)
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To: Vigilanteman

Look for future ‘marriage contracts’ with expiration dates. Since they conveniently ignore Biblical principles then why insist marriage lasts a lifetime? A 20 year marriage contract or similar with a rider to renew or just let the terms expire. My prediction this will ‘evolve’ in the future.


35 posted on 03/27/2013 1:41:23 PM PDT by tflabo (Truth or Tyranny)
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To: MeganC

Don't Worry!!!

They aren't legally Married, so it's not Polygamy!

So it's all perfectly legal!

Especially if we dip into them EBT Cards.


36 posted on 03/27/2013 1:41:43 PM PDT by KC_Lion (Build the America you want to live in at your address, and keep looking up.-Sarah Palin)
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To: Maelstorm

Great question from Sotomayor. She also was on the right side (unlike Roberts and Alito) on the drug sniffing dog on the porch case.

I think she may have a chance to move up to 5th on my list of favorite, current Supreme Court Justices after

1) Scalia
2) Thomas
3) Alito
4) Kennedy
and before
6) Roberts


37 posted on 03/27/2013 1:41:47 PM PDT by Above My Pay Grade (The people have the right to tell government what guns it may possess, not the other way around.)
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To: SERKIT

Why shouldn’t I be able to marry my sister? I love her, well not in “that way,” but who is to say this is wrong? Besides, I have economic resources she needs. It’s all good. /s


38 posted on 03/27/2013 1:42:43 PM PDT by CityCenter (No matter how good your PR is, you can't outsmart the truth.)
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To: Old Sarge

I know a gay friend of my brother in law who cannot see his parents in Morocco because he could be arrested and imprisoned or worse. Why? Sharia! So how this SSM is a Sharia conspiracy is very dubious.


39 posted on 03/27/2013 1:44:11 PM PDT by xkaydet65
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To: longtermmemmory
she should also know the federal government MANDATED marriage as one man and one woman as a condition of utah statehood.

Precisely. That's why they have to overturn REYNOLDS to allow gay marriage. The SC will just shrug their shoulders and say "Well, that's why we overturned Dred Scott, because we've evolved as a country". BTW many Mormons went to prison for practicing their religion supposedly guaranteed under the First Amendment. Not a single homo has spent even one minute in jail over their "marriage". How many of us are going to prison for practicing our rights under the Second Amendment? Not a pleasant thought.

40 posted on 03/27/2013 1:45:14 PM PDT by Auntie Dem (Hey! Hey! Ho! Ho! Terrorist lovers gotta go!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

That’s serial polygamy, they want traditional one groom, three brides polygamy.

Do you really want three mothers-in-law? Yeesh...


41 posted on 03/27/2013 1:45:44 PM PDT by 22202NOVA
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To: vetvetdoug

I’d like to be able to disagree but I think you are right but there are several goals.

1. The primary one is to further deconstruct the idea of family so to make it meaningless and especially suppress any picture that does not equate homosexual partnerships with heterosexual partnerships. If you remember the whole feminist attack on the patriarchy this is an extension of the same thing. The feminists created chaos in the 60s through degenerating the idea of the classy chaste woman and proper sexual behavior. This is just the next step in that goal.

2. Grow government necessity in promoting same sex unions and ridiculing and criminalizing traditional notions of sex and marriage through political correctness edicts and intimidation.

3. Next phase which we already are seeing with the new letter on the LGBT-Q. The q for questioning is to accomplish the next phase which is radical suppression of gender and the encouragement of an androgynous approach to sexuality and sexual orientation. We will see more of the little boys dressed, more sex ed encouraging the idea of same sex experimentation through public schools and the suppression of any criticism through the implementation of pro gay “anti-bullying” edicts and mandatory sex ed programs.

4. The next phase would begin decriminalizing and norming of pedophilia and other deviances. Ask a leftist about the dwarf chimpanzees which seem to be their model of a sex crazed non violent society.

The ultimate goals of course are to deconstruct the role of men. Homosexuality does this by encouraging a feminized shrunken version of maleness as a preferable model or an ego driven vain version that is vastly more promiscuous with a disregard for their offspring. Deconstruct the role of women encouraging them to reject men altogether or have an adversarial relationship with men if they do marry. This accomplishes a couple things it guarantees that most children will be born to lower classes that are easier to manipulate and that those who are the best educated and most successful act as money sinks whose primary purpose is to transfer wealth to a central government power structure. The deconstruction of family is the ultimate goal which also leads to the deconstruction of religion and all traditional structures including ideas of patriotism. As the role of family shrinks and government dependence grows the government power structure grows and then the final phase and goal is set into play which will begin with international tax laws and international redistribution of resources.

The thing to keep in mind is that these people have a world view that is completely hostile to the idea of traditional America and Traditional America stands in the way of the transformation of not just the US but the entire world.
Gays are a tool to leave the average citizen too confused, sex blinded, entertainment distracted, to resist with the only God they answer to being the Central Government and their own egos.


42 posted on 03/27/2013 1:45:53 PM PDT by Maelstorm (This country wasn't founded with the battle cry "Give me liberty or give me a govt check!")
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To: 22202NOVA

How many wives did King Solomon have?


43 posted on 03/27/2013 1:46:30 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (I'll raise $2million for Sarah Palin's presidential run. What'll you do?)
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To: xkaydet65

Is it not true that Muslim men can have up to four wives?


44 posted on 03/27/2013 1:46:48 PM PDT by ruralvoter
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To: harwood

Yes but you can marry the Gibson guitar with no strings attached. (’. Might be easier on you when consummating the marriage.


45 posted on 03/27/2013 1:47:12 PM PDT by tflabo (Truth or Tyranny)
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To: Maelstorm; Lurking Libertarian; JDW11235; Clairity; TheOldLady; Spacetrucker; Art in Idaho; ...

FReepmail me to subscribe to or unsubscribe from the SCOTUS ping list.

46 posted on 03/27/2013 1:49:21 PM PDT by BuckeyeTexan (There are those that break and bend. I'm the other kind. ~Steve Earle)
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To: harwood
"I just got a beautiful Gibson Recording King archtop made in 1939."

My dad has one as well. What a work of art they were/are.

47 posted on 03/27/2013 1:49:52 PM PDT by Liberty Valance (Keep a simple manner for a happy life :o)
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To: tflabo

..........rim shot


48 posted on 03/27/2013 1:50:04 PM PDT by harwood (Ann Coulter: Future SCOTUS nominee!)
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To: Maelstorm

There are a lot of “marriage equality” postings on Facebook. I’m in favor of freedom and the constitution. Equality of all things and results is not what the constitution guarantees. I’m not a Constitutional lawyer. I do know that the Declaration of Independence is not part of the Constitution. I think it should be but we’ve never done that.
So, if we are not guaranteed equality of results in the Constitution, where do we look for it as a controlling rule of life? I don’t. I don’t expect to be able to play in the NBA. I don’t even expect to be chosen as a judge based upon my gender.
So what does this have to do with the “marriage equality” movement? First of all, everyone has the right to marry right now. He or she can marry any person of the opposite sex if he or she is old enough. So we restrict that right in that in this county a 45 year old man cannot marry an 11 year old girl. In some countries that does happen. So the government has this role, to regulate marriage. At present, no one is agitating for the right for a person to marry two people at once. A decision was made over a century ago that this was not good for our culture.
Until the last few years, everyone assumed that only men married women and vice versa. Why the change?
Two people of the same sex can give sexual pleasure to each other. That is no longer a crime in this country. They can enter into contracts which require certain behavior in the event of a split. Even Kansas has held that these contracts are binding. They can name each other in wills. Most corporations allow “domestic partners” to be named as beneficiaries in health and life insurance and on pensions and 401[k]s. These provisions allow both same sex and opposite sex partners to care for the other.
I mentioned that the government had the right to regulate marriage as seen in the approach to child brides and multiple wifes (or husbands). What other role or power does our government have?
We go back to the Constitution at this point. Our government in its founding document gave away a lot of power. One of the huge chunks of power it gave away was in the first amendment. I’ll start with freedom of speech. People are being shouted down if they have reservations about “gay marriage.” They are called bigots, homophobes, hate mongers. They are being fired, marginalized, and generally discriminated against. This is not the American way. In that same amendment, we are promised freedom of religion. My faith says that homosexual sex is morally disordered. I’m not ready to throw out over 2000 years of Church dogma and tradition for the politically correct flavor of the month. I have this right, in the Constitution, to disagree and vocalize about it. My Church has the right to refuse to do same sex commitment ceremonies or “marriages.” But that’s what is coming next because another role of government is to enforce. We are possibly one or two generations away from priests being imprisoned for refusing to marry two women. Do we want that society? So before we all start jumping up and down about how progressive and cool we are, think it through. What is to be gained and what lost by this exercise? Who is being helped and who is being harmed?


49 posted on 03/27/2013 1:50:11 PM PDT by Mercat
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To: Liberty Valance

Wish mine looked that good


50 posted on 03/27/2013 1:50:29 PM PDT by harwood (Ann Coulter: Future SCOTUS nominee!)
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