Posted on 03/19/2013 2:01:47 PM PDT by WCH
The dramatic shift in the Republican Party on immigration continued Tuesday, as Sen. Rand Paul (R-Ky.), a conservative tea party icon and possible 2016 presidential contender, endorsed an overhaul of the nation’s immigration laws that would allow the nation’s estimated 11 million illegal immigrants to obtain legalized status. “Immigration will not occur until conservative Republicans, like myself, become part of the solution. That’s why I’m here today: to begin that conversation and become part of the solution,” he said in a breakfast speech Tuesday morning before the U.S. Hispanic Chamber of Commerce in Washington.
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Nope.
Just want to make sure that, before anybody tries to discuss the fate of the invading barbarians already inside our gates that the border is fortified.
Whether or not we keep any of them is above my pay grade - if it were up to me, they’d all be gone, mostly for reasons similar to yours. I think we’d miss some of them, though. And I’d expect some really nasty civil disorder.
If someone compromises and lets the decent ones stay, I’ll grumble. But I will still be amazed to find that there is enough backbone left in the Federal Government to remove some of the more egregious illegals.
If, as in the last attempt at amnesty, they try to keep them all (including the violent criminals!), then I’m going be truly PO’d. Dunno what I’ll do about it. It will, pretty much, be the end of the Republic.
Unfortunately, I figure the last one scenario is most likely.
But in ANY scenario, it is important to fortify the borders to prevent the illegal aliens expelled from returning, or to prevent the borders from being swamped if there is to be an amnesty of some sort.
We have 23 million Americans looking for full-time jobs. There are an estimated 7 to 8 million lawbreakers, aka as illegal aliens, holding jobs in this country. The crap that they are doing jobs Americans won't do is disgusting and untrue. American jobs for American workers.
Allowing these lawbreakers to stay and work here, the object of their crime, is amnesty. I don't understand how anyone who calls themselves a conservative can support work permits for lawbreakers. You are legalizing their status permitting them to get SSNs, driver's licenses, and access to our social welfare system. Most of them will qualify for Obamacare subsidies so they can have healthcare rather than using our ERs as free health care clinics.
Don’t miss this:
DHS tells Congress it still can’t measure border security
http://freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2998947/posts
You can make sure all you want, but that is exactly what is happening with the Gang of 8 in the Senate and the other secret immigration group in the House. The GOP has bought the premise of linking amnesty to "comprehensive immigration reform." Boehner will bring this up for a vote even if the majority of Reps don't support it. CIR will easily pass the Senate just like it did in 2006 with Hagel-Martinez. The House saved our bacon then, but I don't see that happening this time.
Whether or not we keep any of them is above my pay grade - if it were up to me, they’d all be gone, mostly for reasons similar to yours. I think we’d miss some of them, though. And I’d expect some really nasty civil disorder.
Attrition thru enforcement is the answer. And I really don't understand the urgency of even addressing the status of these lawbreakers now. The Dems want it for obvious reasons.
If someone compromises and lets the decent ones stay, I’ll grumble. But I will still be amazed to find that there is enough backbone left in the Federal Government to remove some of the more egregious illegals.
Decent ones? How do we establish such criteria? It is like trying to distinguish virtue among whores. How many millions of "decent ones" do you think are here? And how many "decent ones" overseas will see this as a signal to come here illegally for the third blanket amnesty? In 1986 the supporters of amnesty assured us that this was a one-time event, never to be repeated again. Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me.
But in ANY scenario, it is important to fortify the borders to prevent the illegal aliens expelled from returning, or to prevent the borders from being swamped if there is to be an amnesty of some sort.
40% of the current 12 to 20 million illegal aliens came here legally and overstayed their visa. Unless we can fully implement the 1996 US-VISIT program to track and deport visa overstays, securing the border solves only part of the problem. And once you signal that you will have an amnesty--as happened in 1986--you will get a flood of illegals even if you link amnesty to some sort of security metric. As I have indicated, we have already made the mistake of allowing the Dems and the RINOs to hold enforcement hostage to amnesty. The linkage has been made.
Paul's plan is essentially the same as McCain-Kennedy that included border security metrics to how amnesty would be phased in. McCai-Kennedy also gave immediate probationary status to all the illegals in the country who would be required to be registered and processed fully afterwards. I have read Simpson-Mazolli (1986), Hagel-Martinez (2006), and McCain-Kennedy (2007). They all contain similar language and provisions.
At least under the 1986 bill, you had to live here for at least five years prior to 1986. But the process was so rife with fraud, that the government projection that 1 million would apply turned out to be 2.7 million. The enforcement provisions of the 1986 bill were never fully enforced. Imagine if this amnesty turns out to be much higher than just 11 million. At least, Reagan was honest enough to call his bill an amnesty. The other iterations say it is not, which is a bald-faced lie.
And guess who we must trust to administer any amnesty? Obama!!! What kind of fools are idiots like Paul, Rubio, McCain, Graham, etc.
Yep. Let them self-deport. Many have done that in alabama when we tightened up our laws. That’s why we don’t need some big bill to deal with 20M illegals. We would do better to focus on small steps like you mentioned that incens them to self-deport.
It did work in Alabama increasing jobs for Americans. It also worked in AZ with their mandatory E-verify law that was upheld by SCOTUS. In fact, it worked so well that a delegation of mayors from Sonora, Mexico came to Phoenix to meet with the AZ legislators complaining that the flood of returning illegals was placing a major burden on their schools and hospitals.
I can't speak for Rand Paul, but I have no doubt that many of the politicians pushing amnesty for illegals know exactly what's going on, and either approve of the transformation of the US Southwest into an annex of Mexico (or, to be more exact, a dumping ground for Mexico's surplus population), or simply don't care. It's more important for the GOP to bend over backwards and prove to the establishment that they aren't "nativist" or "racist."
Rubio is a total fraud. He is Hispanic first and foremost, and that mean amnesty.
You’re just arguing for the status quo to continue...unlimited, unchecked illegal immigration.
I don’t want the status quo to continue
I want one thing: controlled access to this country - borders, visas, airports, seaports.
I will negotiate away worker status to get access to this country under control.
If you think he’s bad, wait until the RNC shoves George P. Bush (Jeb’s Mexican son) down everyone’s throat.
They are not representing the people and their ancestors who built and created those civilizations.
they are sworn to protect and defend the Constitution to God. They will have to answer to Him for that.
Amnesty is not Constitutional. If they believe the Constitution is racist and they don’t want to follow it for that reason, then they can appeal for an amendment.
But this mob rule business paves a dangerous path for the future.
Can the necessity for the abolition of the D&R party be doubted? There is no substantive difference.
There is a lack of representation for the rule of law.
No I am not. We need to enforce our existing laws. Do you really think the Obama administration wants to stop illegal immigration, They are encouraging it thru their backdoor amnesty that gave 1.8 million Dreamers legal status and work permits. I sure as Hell don't want an amnesty that rewards the lawbreakers and encourages more illegal immigration.
I want one thing: controlled access to this country - borders, visas, airports, seaports. I will negotiate away worker status to get access to this country under control.
And you will get the latter (work permits for illegals) and not the former. We have done this before in 1986. It is the same strategy used by the Dems when they trade immediate tax increases for some future spending cuts. The Reps are not called the Stupid Party for nothing.
I don't trust Obama at all. And he will be in charge for the next four years and more than likely Hillary for the next 8. Since when do we have to legalize the status of 12 to 20 million illegals not to mention the millions more that will join them thru chain migration, i.e., family reunification in return for enforcing our existing laws and securing the border?
And let's get real about legal immigration. Every ten years we have what amounts to an amnesty. With 1.2 million LEGAL IMMIGRANTS ENTERING ANNUALLY, they will be able to vote eventually and two thirds of them will vote Dem. Illegal immigration is the shiny little bauble that distracts us from the real game changer--legal immigration. The status quo will make the Dems the permanent majority party. Amnesty just hastens the process.
Pandering for votes is the logical outcome of mob rule, no question about it.
The irony of all this is that none of this pandering to Mexicans will pay off. In the end, they'll still vote overwhelmingly for Democrats because of food stamps, Medicaid, welfare, affirmative action, bilingual education, and "la Raza" activism.
So amnesty supporters like Rand will just enfranchise and give voting rights to the very people who will vote them him and other Republicans out of office.
In which case the status quo continues.
Which is what is desired by both duplicitous politicians and businessmen.
For the Repubs to gain any advantage they would have to garner more than 50% of the amnestied illegals’ votes. Do they really think they are going to get more than 50%?
They’re either deluded or pursuing an alternate agenda.
They’re either deluded or pursuing an alternate agenda. Indeed. The only question is what their alternate agenda is. Is it just a PR move to prove to the media that they aren't "racists," or is it all a ploy to satisfy certain business interests who want cheap immigrant labor?
It is far better than legalizing the status of 12 to 20 million lawbreakers who will bring in millions more of their relatives and take more jobs away from Americans and depress wages.
The status quo IS bringing in illegals and their relatives. That is the problem.
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