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Rand Paul to back path to citizenship for illegal aliens
American Thinker ^ | Mar. 19, 2013 | Rick Moran

Posted on 03/19/2013 6:58:12 AM PDT by EXCH54FE

I wonder what this will do to his standing among some conservatives? For the most part, his libertarian base won't let it deter their support of him, but conservatives might be a little miffed.

Conservatives may want to pay close attention to Paul's ideas about a path to citizenship because it appears what he is proposing is a long and torturous process for the illegals.

Paul's path to citizenship would come with conditions that could make it long and difficult for illegal immigrants. Chief among these, Congress would have to agree first that progress was being made on border security.

Nonetheless, Paul's endorsement of allowing illegal immigrants an eventual way to become citizens puts him in line with a growing number of Republicans who are embracing action on immigration as a way to broaden the GOP's appeal to Latinos. On Monday, a Republican National Committee report called on the GOP to support comprehensive reform, though without specifying whether it should include a pathway to citizenship, which is decried by some conservatives as amnesty.

Paul's move also comes as a bipartisan group of senators is nearing agreement on sweeping legislation to overhaul the nation's immigration laws, an effort that could get a boost from Paul's stance. In an interview, Paul said he could foresee backing the Senate group's emerging bill, although he plans to try to amend it on the floor with some of his own ideas.

Paul's speech is peppered with Spanish phrases from his youth in Texas, references to his immigrant grandparents and praise for Latino culture. He says his party must adopt a new face toward Hispanics and says conservatives must be part of it.

"Immigration reform will not occur until conservative Republicans, like myself, become part of the solution. I am here today to begin that conversation,"

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KEYWORDS: 113th; aliens; amnesty; byebyerand; illegals; randpaul; rino; sellout
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How many conservatives are going to "Stand with Rand" on immigration reform?
1 posted on 03/19/2013 6:58:12 AM PDT by EXCH54FE
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To: EXCH54FE

Not me.


2 posted on 03/19/2013 6:59:34 AM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: EXCH54FE

I remember the revolt against Bush when he proposed amnesty, we need that again


3 posted on 03/19/2013 7:00:14 AM PDT by GeronL (http://asspos.blogspot.com)
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To: EXCH54FE

Another episode of “As the Stomach Churns”


4 posted on 03/19/2013 7:01:09 AM PDT by dragonblustar (Allah Ain't So Akbar!)
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To: EXCH54FE

I am seeing capitulation by “conservatives” on every side.


5 posted on 03/19/2013 7:01:33 AM PDT by Westbrook (Children do not divide your love, they multiply it.)
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To: EXCH54FE

Why is it that nobody in the GOP is talking about mass deportations? They keep saying “we can’t deport all of them.” WHY NOT? I am sure we could. Let’s start tomorrow!


6 posted on 03/19/2013 7:03:07 AM PDT by GodAndCountryFirst
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To: EXCH54FE

We don’t need immigration reform. We need enforcement of our existing laws.

“Reform” is just a way to appear as though solving a problem when in fact we are not.


7 posted on 03/19/2013 7:04:01 AM PDT by SatinDoll (NATURAL BORN CITZEN: BORN IN THE USA OF CITIZEN PARENTS.)
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To: EXCH54FE

rand is no different that his bat*hitcrazy father.

LLS


8 posted on 03/19/2013 7:04:29 AM PDT by LibLieSlayer (FROM MY COLD, DEAD HANDS!)
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To: Westbrook

If they CAPITULATE... they were NEVER Conservative in the first place.

LLS


9 posted on 03/19/2013 7:05:12 AM PDT by LibLieSlayer (FROM MY COLD, DEAD HANDS!)
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To: EXCH54FE

They’re here and they’re not going away.


10 posted on 03/19/2013 7:05:15 AM PDT by basil (basil, 2ASisters.org)
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To: EXCH54FE
Well, that was a short run for President.

Hey, Rand, run for Governor or something first, and then try again.

11 posted on 03/19/2013 7:05:39 AM PDT by Texas Eagle (If it wasn't for double-standards, Liberals would have no standards at all -- Texas Eagle)
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To: GodAndCountryFirst

President Eisenhower did deportations during the late 1950s. It worked quite well, as millions witnessed the government’s actions, and self-deported.


12 posted on 03/19/2013 7:05:48 AM PDT by SatinDoll (NATURAL BORN CITZEN: BORN IN THE USA OF CITIZEN PARENTS.)
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To: EXCH54FE; GeronL
Round them up and Send Their Asses Back!!!

Why did my Parents have to come through the Front door?

But these people get a free pass with all the Free Goodies!?

Oh Yes, that is right, because they are a voting Bloc the Republicans and Democrats can pander too.

Silly me, When we have protected Classes, Equal Treatment Under the law doesn't mean squat!!!


13 posted on 03/19/2013 7:05:48 AM PDT by KC_Lion (Build the America you want to live in at your address, and keep looking up.-Sarah Palin)
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To: EXCH54FE
I will not stand with Paul.

I never support anyone who proposes citizenship for illegals.

14 posted on 03/19/2013 7:05:57 AM PDT by skeeter
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To: LibLieSlayer

> If they CAPITULATE... they were NEVER Conservative in the first place.

Hence the quotes around the word “conservative” in my post.

Rand is a libertarian with some shades of conservatism. But when push comes to shove, he’s a libertarian.


15 posted on 03/19/2013 7:06:30 AM PDT by Westbrook (Children do not divide your love, they multiply it.)
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To: Borax Queen

Ungh, we are so screwed.......


16 posted on 03/19/2013 7:07:52 AM PDT by Lakeshark (!)
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To: Texas Eagle
Well, that was a short run for President.

*****************************

That was my thought as well.

17 posted on 03/19/2013 7:07:53 AM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: GeronL
I haven't read the article, but ... we already have a "path to citizenship".

I'm not alarmed by those words nor the intent of a politician voicing those words.

I will be alarmed if those words mean abandoning the established path to citizenship (marriage or other, pay the "fees" wait, fill out papers, pay the "fees", wait, etc.) and less than desireable for the social/political health of the united States people are allowed to "become" citizens.

18 posted on 03/19/2013 7:08:26 AM PDT by knarf (I say things that are true ... I have no proof ... but they're true)
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To: trisham

Unfortunately, there aren’t any other candidates that do not support some kind of path to citizenship.....the devil however, is going to be in the details.


19 posted on 03/19/2013 7:08:49 AM PDT by dfwgator
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To: trisham

GMTA


20 posted on 03/19/2013 7:08:53 AM PDT by Texas Eagle (If it wasn't for double-standards, Liberals would have no standards at all -- Texas Eagle)
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To: EXCH54FE

It just goes to show you that NOBODY in Versailles on the Potomac is to be trusted or believed.

I still have one question that no POS in Versailles on the Potomac is able to answer, namely: “What laws do I get to break?” When and if I ever get an answer, we can start talking.


21 posted on 03/19/2013 7:10:15 AM PDT by NTHockey (Rules of engagement #1: Take no prisoners)
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To: trisham
Yo, Rand, you wanna score points on illegal immigration? Push for enforcing existing law! We already have an entire bloated bureaucracy dedicated to helping people become Americans.

It's called the INS.

Look it up.

22 posted on 03/19/2013 7:10:48 AM PDT by Texas Eagle (If it wasn't for double-standards, Liberals would have no standards at all -- Texas Eagle)
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To: EXCH54FE
Congress would have to agree first that progress was being made on border security.

Not actual progress, mind, you. Just the appearance thereof.

BO has actually made a lot of progress in reducing the number of illegal aliens who sneak into this country.

By turning America into a third world sh*thole, he's reduced the difference in standard of living between America and Mexico and, with it, the incentive to leave one third world sh*thole just to go to another.

Instead of this "path to citizenship" crap, how about a green card program which grants working visas to people who actually work, pay taxes and learn English in exchange for deportation of criminals, wards of the state and those who refuse to do so?

The problem would be a lot easier to solve if it wasn't the all or nothing proposition it was presented as. By separating the desirable and undesirable illegals, there would be a lot lower number of those in the middle to argue about.

23 posted on 03/19/2013 7:11:06 AM PDT by Vigilanteman (Obama: Fake black man. Fake Messiah. Fake American. How many fakes can you fit in one Zer0?)
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To: Westbrook
I did catch that in your post. It just solidified my opinion. Thanks. He is a LIBertarian.

LLS

24 posted on 03/19/2013 7:12:32 AM PDT by LibLieSlayer (FROM MY COLD, DEAD HANDS!)
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To: EXCH54FE

Here’s an idea that may likely appeal to conservatives, but will unnerve liberals, because it is shades of “Starship Troopers”. If you get the reference, it is that “Military Service offers (if not “guarantees”, in this case) Citizenship.”

What does this imply? First of all, that the illegal aliens are *capable* of military service. This means no diseases like HIV or Hepatitis, VD or handicaps, and healthy and fit enough to meet physical standards. It also means no felony criminal convictions, no foreign oaths or affirmations, and nothing that would preclude them from overseas service.

And it also means 4 or more years of good military behavior before citizenship. If the military kicks them out, they fail and go back to their home country.

About the only adaptation to be made is for the military to provide them an intensive, six month long English language and American studies course, which they must also complete.

If they accomplish this service, they should be welcomed with open arms, as they are the “cream of the crop”, and show very good potential to be high quality citizens.

The flip side to this, also important, is to cull the freaks, losers, radicals, sickly, and otherwise dross. Because from the moment they are under military control, there is no going back to hiding in America. If they fail, they are escorted out of the US, without even fussing with ICE, other than to send their records to them for retention.


25 posted on 03/19/2013 7:13:06 AM PDT by yefragetuwrabrumuy (Best WoT news at rantburg.com)
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To: LibLieSlayer

NNTTM
:)

I trust your discernment implicitly.

My response was for the benefit of the folks who don’t get it.


26 posted on 03/19/2013 7:14:27 AM PDT by Westbrook (Children do not divide your love, they multiply it.)
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To: EXCH54FE

Wake up! The path to citizenship must happen. If you are a true conservative you better wise up. It is the path that is important. Only a real damn fool is so blind that belives sending them back to their Country of origin is possible. Don’t be so dumb. It is this kind of thinking that got us in the last election mess.


27 posted on 03/19/2013 7:15:14 AM PDT by Logical me
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To: EXCH54FE

Rand Paul is committing political suicide and wants others to jump off the cliff with him.

No Thanks.

There are a lot of people who voted for him that won’t do it again.

And he won’t get any Hispanic votes out of this at all.

He’s descended into mania.


28 posted on 03/19/2013 7:17:25 AM PDT by Uncle Chip
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To: dfwgator

Yep, failure on this issue means conservatives will simply remain out of power that much longer. The Perfect candidate is the enemy of the Good Candidate.


29 posted on 03/19/2013 7:17:33 AM PDT by bigbob
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To: EXCH54FE
I read Paul's entire statement, and he is basically saying that illegal immigrants are welcome to get in line for citizenship. There is no fast-track like the Democrats have proposed.

The problem is what to do in the interim. I don't think it will ever be possible to "secure the border". We couldn't do it during Prohibition, and we can't do it during the War on Some Drugs. It's too large, and more importantly: the incentives are too attractive.

The only real solution is to make illegal immigration undesirable: for the immigrant. Right now, an illegal immigrant from any Central American country can have a better life in the US, simply by being here. There is a vast array of free services available from both public and private sources: food, housing, medical care, education, etc. Compared to life at home, even the worst conditions in the US is living like a king or queen at home.

Then, there's the consequence of the 14th Amendment that was intended to guarantee citizenship for slaves brought to the US against their will. "Birth tourism" is a large draw for pregnant women. Some public hospitals in the border states host almost entirely births to undocumented immigrants.

Unless those incentives are removed, illegal immigration will always be a problem. And if there is no penalty for being in the US illegally, there's no reason for them to leave, or even stop entering.

One possible solution: illegal immigrants are welcome to apply for citizenship.... from their home country. If they are caught in the US illegally, their application is revoked and they are permanently banned from the US.

However, none of this will make a bit of difference as long as we continue to feed, educate, clothe and house them at our expense.

30 posted on 03/19/2013 7:17:55 AM PDT by justlurking (tagline removed, as demanded by Admin Moderator)
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To: basil

No, not with the abundance of open borders liberals we have in both the major parties.


31 posted on 03/19/2013 7:17:58 AM PDT by LouAvul
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To: Logical me

All we want is to have the same policies towards immigrants that Mexico has.....Who can argue with that?


32 posted on 03/19/2013 7:19:02 AM PDT by dfwgator
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To: Logical me
The path to citizenship must happen....It is this kind of thinking that got us in the last election mess.

You would reward them for breaking the law, and just how many of them do you think will vote conservative?

33 posted on 03/19/2013 7:21:11 AM PDT by The Sons of Liberty (It's not "GUN CONTROL"! It's "PEOPLE CONTROL"!)
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To: EXCH54FE

We need to know the details. It is not simply, let them stay. Rubio’s conditions were very onerous, fines, back taxes, get back in line, etc. The only other condition I would add, is what Rush brought up, “they can’t vote for 25 years” once they get in—which would likely be 8-10 years down the road.


34 posted on 03/19/2013 7:22:10 AM PDT by SgtHooper (The last thing I want to do is hurt you. But it's still on the list.)
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To: EXCH54FE
it appears what he is proposing is a long and torturous process for the illegals.

This is so unnecessary. Why make them follow a tortuous path, when there's a nice, straight one that leads south to Mexico, Guatemala, Honduras, and points beyond?

35 posted on 03/19/2013 7:23:05 AM PDT by SamuraiScot
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To: dfwgator

It’ll be just like the last elections...vote for the lesser of 2 evils, not for a good candidate.


36 posted on 03/19/2013 7:23:14 AM PDT by stuartcr ("I have habits that are older than the people telling me they're bad for me.")
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To: EXCH54FE

Rand Paul is a libertarian - many of his positions are to the LEFT of Obama on virtually everything but abortion.

I’d never vote for him and thank God he’ll never be President.


37 posted on 03/19/2013 7:24:00 AM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: knarf
I haven't read the article, but ... we already have a "path to citizenship".

The article doesn't really address Paul's entire speech.

I read an article elsewhere about it, and he essentially agreed with you: their path to citizenship would be the same as for everyone else, and in line with everyone else. No short cuts, no fast track.

However, I still have questions about what he proposed to do in the interim. And, as I posted earlier, I don't think the border can ever be "secure".

38 posted on 03/19/2013 7:24:03 AM PDT by justlurking (tagline removed, as demanded by Admin Moderator)
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To: EXCH54FE
The first problem here is with the large number of people who've gotten in line to immigrate legally ~ they'll see this as a barely concealed return to the old national origins policy except that this time there's only one favored nation ~ to wit: Mexico!

Not that there's anything inherently wrong with Mexicans ~ but the current process is not very selective, and Paul's future process is even less selective ~ it favors the Mexicans who can make the big bucks ~ and that'd be the illegal labor brokers, coyotes and dope dealers under narcotrafficante control.

In short it's a typical Libertarian cop out on morality, fairness and the American Way of Life.

Others may be even more disturbed by this perfidy than I am so you are free to cut loose on this DA Kay-wackian!

39 posted on 03/19/2013 7:26:54 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: EXCH54FE

I am old enough to remember a time when Americans prided themselves on being a nation of laws and having a government that enforced the law impartially.

In fact, that concept was taught in schools, beginning in grade school, where every student learned to be proud that we were steadfast in respect for our laws and were not just another Banana Republic, ignoring or changing our laws to suit the whims of a dictator or the desires of a special interest group.

Today we have a president who has been a rule breaker and a law breaker his entire adult life. He sees the enforcement, or non-enforcement, of laws as a tool he can use to further his own agenda.

And they call this charlatan a professor of law.

Today we have a republican party that has already capitulated to the idea of forgiveness and amnesty to anywhere from 12 to 30 million arrogant foreign lawbreakers.

Their immediate concern is how to manipulate its own voters to follow along with their surrender. They have little concern with the actual idea of upholding our laws and keeping their own oath of office.

But they still haven’t mastered the arts of lying and spinning as well as democrats so they have not yet been able to fully sell voters on the ideas that disregard of the existing law and rewarding law breakers is a good thing.

But they are working on it.


40 posted on 03/19/2013 7:28:48 AM PDT by Iron Munro (I miss America, don't you?)
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To: dfwgator
the devil however, is going to be in the details.

So true. What we have now is in fact amnesty as no one is being prosecuted, many of the illegals vote, plus it's an issue that can always be used to show conservatives as racist.

Both Paul and Rubio are sticking with the border enforcement issue first, asking it be proved that the leak in the dam is stopped before providing a path to citizenship's.

If that were true, it would be better than now, but somehow I keep thinking of all those spending cuts that were made after Reagan raised taxes......

41 posted on 03/19/2013 7:29:02 AM PDT by Lakeshark (!)
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To: EXCH54FE

He has just lost his chance for the Presidency


42 posted on 03/19/2013 7:29:40 AM PDT by faithhopecharity (()
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To: EXCH54FE

I stand in complete opposition in this issue.

Essentially, I am against the cheapening of the status of Citizen of these United States. By rewarding those whose very first action upon entering this country is a violation of our law, this is exactly what will be accomplished.

Hell no!


43 posted on 03/19/2013 7:30:09 AM PDT by Howie66 (Molon Labe, Traitors!)
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To: GodAndCountryFirst

“Why is it that nobody in the GOP is talking about mass deportations?”

The time for the mass deportations and sealing of the border was during the George H.W. Bush administration when there was enough popular support for such a move. Instead, Pappy Bush decided not to enforce the recently passed 1986 immigration act. Clinton, Bush II and Obama have continued the lax administration of immigration law. Today’s electorate would not support mass deportations even if Congress and the President had the will to enforce the law.

There are consequences to allowing presidents to decide which laws they will and will not enforce. The current immigration mess is a legacy of Pappy Bush failing to do his Constitutional duty.


44 posted on 03/19/2013 7:31:45 AM PDT by Soul of the South (Yesterday is gone. Today will be what we make of it.)
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To: basil

Maybe so, but you do not give them full citizenship and allow them to put even more democrat party shills in control. Never, ever.


45 posted on 03/19/2013 7:37:04 AM PDT by soycd
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To: Logical me; EXCH54FE
Only a real damn fool is so blind that belives sending them back to their Country of origin is possible.

What makes deportation impossible; Only the will of those in government to do so.

We could get a majority to self deport if we would only stop supporting their existence here.

If we could get the Federal government to make some “Common Sense Changes” as the Left loves to say the illegals would return to their home countries willingly.

Let’s say that we reverse the stupid USSC decision that said that born here means citizen and we reversed that stupid USSC decision that said resident means free education and we vigorously enforced the law that if you knowingly hire illegals you get crippling fines and we did not give illegals ANY kind of welfare benefits.

If they can not support themselves here and we will not give them charity why would they stay?

No other country in the world does these stupid things for illegal immigrants why do we?

46 posted on 03/19/2013 7:39:13 AM PDT by Pontiac (The welfare state must fail because it is contrary to human nature and diminishes the human spirit.)
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To: EXCH54FE

I was never that impressed with him and didn’t understand all the gushing on FR. My patience is wearing thin waiting on a congressman who enforces the law.


47 posted on 03/19/2013 7:43:33 AM PDT by bgill
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To: EXCH54FE

I’m fine with a ‘torturous’ path to citizenship. One that holds the right to vote out about ten years. And one where they have to ace this test...

http://games.toast.net/independence/


48 posted on 03/19/2013 7:45:56 AM PDT by Twotone (Marte Et Clypeo)
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To: Soul of the South
There are consequences to allowing presidents to decide which laws they will and will not enforce. The current immigration mess is a legacy of Pappy Bush failing to do his Constitutional duty.

*****************************

He was not one of our better presidents, imho. I don't think that history will treat him well.

49 posted on 03/19/2013 7:48:26 AM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: dfwgator

I fear what we will be offered during the next election.


50 posted on 03/19/2013 7:50:15 AM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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