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PRUDEN: The puzzling papacy of Pope Francis
The Washington Times ^ | 19 March 2013 | Wes Pruden

Posted on 03/19/2013 5:55:48 AM PDT by COBOL2Java

The new pope is a puzzle to nearly everybody, particularly to the politicians, pundits and other know-it-alls. He looks and sounds like a remnant of a previous time, thrown up in the squalid swamp of a trashy and superficial age. He’s not at all hip and “with it.” He’s not interested in “moving forward,” as in the current cliche. He projects humility and kindness and speaks of his Christian faith as if he really believes in the amazing grace of the Gospel. This makes the intellectual elites, and even some “holy men” of the various bureaucracies of modern Christendom, incredulous, nervous and embarrassed.

The elites are willing to tolerate religious faith as long as a believing Christian keeps it to himself and never acts on it or even talks about it. It’s OK, barely, to be a “cultural Christian,” who often isn’t really a Christian at all as Christ defined the faith in the New Testament. The new pope rebukes this synthetic Christianity, urging a return to “the Christ of the Cross” who came to redeem humankind with a sacrificial death on Calvary. This puts Pope Francis clearly at odds with cultural Christians who would reduce the faith of our fathers to a catechism lifted from the pages of The New York Times.

“I don’t think he’s what we need right now in the Catholic Church,” Madeline Cuomo, the sister of the current governor of New York and member of a powerful family with a lot of the vowels in their name that Daddy Cuomo imagined kept him out of the White House, tells Crain’s New York Business magazine. “We’re looking to move the Church forward, with gay marriage and women priests. He’s going to turn back the clock.”

(Excerpt) Read more at washingtontimes.com ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Editorial; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: pope; pruden

1 posted on 03/19/2013 5:55:48 AM PDT by COBOL2Java
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To: COBOL2Java

“We’re looking to move the Church forward, with gay marriage and women priests. He’s going to turn back the clock.”

She should find another “church.” Very simple, it’s either God’s way or man’s way. I can’t believe I’m living in this day when wrong is right & right it wrong.


2 posted on 03/19/2013 6:09:41 AM PDT by FES0844
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To: COBOL2Java

Wow, some of these quotes are unbelievable.

First, many thanks to the Cuomo family for weighing in on a choice that was made after much prayer and consideration. (/sarc!—and that sarcasm remark was meant for the first part of the sentence, not the second; I hope I have made myself clear. I believe the Cardinals spent quite a bit of time in prayer and reflection before choosing Pope Francis).

Second, there are questions about the legitimacy of the selection? The mind boggles.


3 posted on 03/19/2013 6:12:45 AM PDT by proud American in Canada (Please pray for America. She needs God's help more than ever now.)
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To: FES0844

I think it was C.S. Lewis who wrote “If you have made a wrong turn, going forward isn’t progress.”


4 posted on 03/19/2013 6:15:21 AM PDT by Oberon (Big Brutha Be Watchin'.)
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To: proud American in Canada

There are many non-Catholics who have more respect for the new Pope and Christianity than these moonbats.

Just because they were ‘raised Catholic’ does not attest to their bona fides.

Some fallen angels need to get up and ask for forgiveness - if they are truly ‘faithful’.


5 posted on 03/19/2013 6:21:33 AM PDT by sodpoodle (Life is prickly - carry tweezers.)
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To: COBOL2Java

The new Pope looks to be exactly what the Catholic Church needs.

Thus, I believe someone is going attempt to kill him.

He didnt ride around in the Pope Mobile. He is a security nightmare.

I suspect that if he has his way he will continue being accessible to the public.

Thus, some nut job liberal is going to try to off him.

The Pope has probably been warned about the security problem but doesn’t care..and sees it as the will of God, etc.

But then, I am a cynic.

I hope I am wrong and God Protects him from the Nut Jobs.


6 posted on 03/19/2013 6:29:16 AM PDT by RummyChick
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To: RummyChick

No, that will not happen and I will tell you why.

People are looking for those who LIVE faith in Jesus IN FULL. This new Pope is living it in full.

Remember this saying of St. Francis of Assisi, “preach the Gospel, and when possible, use words.” Translation: preach the Gospel of Jesus with by living out the Gospel of Jesus.


7 posted on 03/19/2013 8:01:13 AM PDT by Biggirl ("Jesus talked to us as individuals"-Jim Vicevich/Thanks JimV!)
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To: COBOL2Java

Hey Cuomo - the Anglicans are down the hall.


8 posted on 03/19/2013 8:05:09 AM PDT by Darren McCarty (If most people were more than keyboard warriors, we might have won the election)
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To: COBOL2Java

He’s no puzzle to me.

What he means is that many people can’t figure him out.

We don’t need to figure him out. He is who he is - a good and humble man entrusted with a really big job. He needs our support. He has mine.


9 posted on 03/19/2013 8:25:52 AM PDT by I want the USA back (Make you mad? $h!t in a hat.)
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To: COBOL2Java
“We’re looking to move the Church forward, with gay marriage and women priests."

That's not moving forward, it's going down the sewer.

10 posted on 03/19/2013 8:28:42 AM PDT by cotton
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To: COBOL2Java
The last time I checked, the decision to be a Catholic was a free choice. Similarly, the choice to be a Democrat is a free choice.

Those who can't reconcile their political beliefs with the doctrine of the Catholic Church need to choose one or the other. Many Democrats have chosen to abandon Catholic doctrine for the sake of their political views. Even worse, they ignorantly demand that the Church bend to their political whims while their views drift like the wind.

11 posted on 03/19/2013 8:29:01 AM PDT by Senator_Blutarski
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To: RummyChick

If he does, and the unthinkable happens, he becomes the Telemachus of our age.


12 posted on 03/19/2013 8:48:11 AM PDT by Lexinom
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To: COBOL2Java

Great article Cobol thanks for posting it.

From the article:

The Associated Press man at the State Department asked the department spokeswoman whether she “thinks the election of the pope was OK. [Does it meet] the free and fairness standard? No, I’m curious. I mean, and with all due respect. I’m not accusing the Vatican of doing anything improper, but you seem to take issue with theocracies in places like Iran, and you celebrate the theocracy in the Vatican.”

This exchange followed:

The State Department flack: “He is the head of the [Catholic] Church.”

The reporter persisted: “Is it then correct that the United States does not take a position on whether the election of the pope was free and fair and transparent? Without universal suffrage …”

The State Department spokesman, after further research, returned to the podium to say that since the government regards Vatican City a sovereign juridical state, if a request from the international organization monitoring elections were to “come forward, we would take it very seriously.”

Read more: http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2013/mar/19/pruden-puzzling-papacy-pope-francis/#ixzz2O0GdpaXH
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And the secularist media etc. will ensure that it happens as will the international organization monitoring. elections.


13 posted on 03/19/2013 9:25:27 AM PDT by bronxville (Margaret Sanger - “We do not want word to go out that we want to exterminate the Negro population,Â)
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To: bronxville

That too, caught my eye: “Without universal suffrage...”. Perhaps they would like Nancy Pelosi appointed to monitor the Papal elections.

And snidely comparing the Cardinals at the Vatican to the mullahs in Iran. Nice touch.


14 posted on 03/19/2013 9:36:47 AM PDT by COBOL2Java (Fighting Obama without Boehner & McConnell is like going deer hunting without your accordion)
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To: COBOL2Java

QUESTION: Can I just ask you: Does the United States regard the election of the Pope to – that election to have met international standards for the election of a world leader? (Laughter.) He is, after all, a head of state, and a head of government. Does it follow? Does it – you routinely criticize countries or governments for having elections where there is not universal suffrage, where there is not any possibility of appealing the results, where there is not – where there were no monitors, for example. I’m wondering if this meets the standard for a free and fair election in your mind.

MS. NULAND: Well, I think the world has watched this conclave go forward as it’s gone forward in history down the centuries.

QUESTION: Today, it seems like it would be the – it’s probably the least transparent election. (Laughter.) I mean, it’s more opaque than an election in North Korea or Iraq under Saddam Hussein.

MS. NULAND: But it is, nonetheless, an election with designated balloting and multiple rounds of balloting. But Matt, I could perhaps recommend that the next time they do it, you’re interested in being a monitor? Is that possibly —

QUESTION: Yeah. I’d love that.

MS. NULAND: — an option? I don’t know if you would meet their standards, right? (Laughter.)

QUESTION: I might not. I might not.

MS. NULAND: Do you —

QUESTION: But I say all this just thinking – I’m just being – and I hope that the Holy See appreciates that I’m just asking because I am a devil’s advocate. So – that’s – so, but you – can you —

MS. NULAND: I think you secretly aspire to some red shoes, maybe.

QUESTION: But, so you don’t – you think the election of the Pope was okay? It meets your – the fairness, free and fairness standard?

MS. NULAND: I don’t think that we have any reason to question the process.

QUESTION: Okay. More generally, what’s your – what does the U.S. think about theocracies?

MS. NULAND: (Laughter.)

QUESTION: No, I’m curious. You seem to think – I mean, and with all due respect, I’m not accusing the Vatican of doing anything improper. But you seem to take issue with theocracies in places like Iran, and yet you celebrate the theocracy in the Vatican.

MS. NULAND: Matt, he is the head of the church. And as you know, the amount of —

QUESTION: And so it’s a private club; it’s different than —

MS. NULAND: It is – he is the head of a church, and we will take it on that basis. I think we’re gone beyond our podium here.
http://www.state.gov/r/pa/prs/dpb/2013/03/206272.htm

He also compared it with N Korea and Saddam Husseins Iraq. I think his name is Mathew Lee - senior correspondant with the AP.


15 posted on 03/19/2013 10:43:35 AM PDT by bronxville (Margaret Sanger - “We do not want word to go out that we want to exterminate the Negro population,Â)
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To: bronxville
QUESTION: But I say all this just thinking – I’m just being – and I hope that the Holy See appreciates that I’m just asking because I am a devil’s advocate...

Indeed...

16 posted on 03/19/2013 10:53:34 AM PDT by COBOL2Java (Fighting Obama without Boehner & McConnell is like going deer hunting without your accordion)
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To: COBOL2Java

I totally missed that one. Well done. lol


17 posted on 03/19/2013 10:55:40 AM PDT by bronxville (Margaret Sanger - “We do not want word to go out that we want to exterminate the Negro population,Â)
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To: Senator_Blutarski

If people want a modern church, then they should join a mainline Protestant church, say like, the Episcopal church. The Catholic Church isn’t leading anybody backwards. It the high priests of secular humanism that are doing that. The Church flourished the most during the medievial period which gave us the Renaissance. The Renaissance gave us The Enlightenment. By the 20th century the Church began to decline, which happens to be the bloodiest and brutal period of human history.


18 posted on 03/19/2013 11:03:06 AM PDT by virgil
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