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The Doctor Won't See You Now. He's Clocked Out
Wall Street Journal ^ | March 14, 2013 | SCOTT GOTTLIEB

Posted on 03/16/2013 9:12:16 PM PDT by Innovative

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1 posted on 03/16/2013 9:12:16 PM PDT by Innovative
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To: Innovative

Just imagine them unionized (which is what the Dems want).


2 posted on 03/16/2013 9:18:18 PM PDT by ConjunctionJunction
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To: Innovative

Dr Obamungumbe will simply insist that peasant doctors give a minimum number of orders per day...malpractice will continue as usual.


3 posted on 03/16/2013 9:22:11 PM PDT by Wanderer99
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To: Innovative

The formally profitable non-profit large hospital system my wife works for is already threatening furloughs due to Obamacare. They whacked all of their interns.

Doctors aren’t working anymore than they have to since it doesn’t pay.

Free healthcare is about to get really expensive and crappy.


4 posted on 03/16/2013 9:23:26 PM PDT by TSgt (The right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.)
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To: Innovative

Whole other story is how we don’t have enough docs and nurses now, and you know the significant losses that will come under deathcare. These people weren’t bluffing about retiring, or moving into totally different careers.


5 posted on 03/16/2013 9:27:49 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (I can neither confirm or deny that; even if I could, I couldn't - it's classified.)
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To: TSgt

My 3 year old Grandson got a taste of Obamacare this past weekend. He was at the playground, fell forward and hit his forehead on a metal part of the playground equipment. immediately a huge bruise with a deep black and blue dent in his forehead.

Immediately went to the Emergency Care Center. They asked who his primary physician was and to call him. We called him. He was on vacation with no backup. Asked the nurses to at least look at him. No. We can’t help you.

Left, went to Children’s Hospital (annex) - same response. We can’t touch him.

Finally drove downtown and he was eventually seen. 5 hours later.

It’s a nightmare.


6 posted on 03/16/2013 9:29:21 PM PDT by imemyself
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To: Secret Agent Man

Any doc worth their stuff will retire as soon as is possible. Practicing under nobamacare will be stifling and deadening. Good luck everyone with your health.


7 posted on 03/16/2013 9:31:31 PM PDT by ogen hal (First amendment or reeducation camp?)
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To: imemyself

Horrible!

And it’s only going to get worse.

Thanks for sharing your story — hope your Grandson is OK, despite of this lack of care.


8 posted on 03/16/2013 9:31:59 PM PDT by Innovative ("Winning isn't everything, it's the only thing." -- Vince Lombardi)
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To: Innovative

9 posted on 03/16/2013 9:33:59 PM PDT by dfwgator
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To: imemyself

Earlier this year my son was running a very high fever that wasn’t responding to home treatment so we took him to our local Children’s Hospital ER in downtown Cincinnati.

I kid you not, they took an inmate in chains, who did not appear to have any immediate medical ailment, before they saw our son.

We waited hours in the waiting room, his fever broke, we left and followed up with his pediatrician the next morning.

A completely useless visit. Perhaps we should have brought him in wearing chains and an orange jumpsuit?


10 posted on 03/16/2013 9:35:08 PM PDT by TSgt (The right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.)
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To: ConjunctionJunction
That's the agenda behind ObamaCare, Dodd-Frank and Cap-and-Trade—create massive new bureaucracies whose employees can be unionized and turned into Democrat activists.
11 posted on 03/16/2013 9:36:20 PM PDT by Brad from Tennessee (A politician can't give you anything he hasn't first stolen from you.)
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To: ogen hal

On the upside it’s given me reasons to learn more about preventative care and first aid.


12 posted on 03/16/2013 9:37:52 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (I can neither confirm or deny that; even if I could, I couldn't - it's classified.)
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To: TSgt

You should have raised holy hell.


13 posted on 03/16/2013 9:37:57 PM PDT by FreedomStar3028
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To: Innovative

Would a logical conclusion be that nobamacare will die, crushed by its own weight?


14 posted on 03/16/2013 9:41:13 PM PDT by upchuck (Free Republic: faster than a speeding bullet!)
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Would a logical conclusion be that nobamacare will die, crushed by its own weight?

No such luck.

The UK National Health Scheme has been running (or not) since 1948.

For an insight on how it works (no sarcasm here) ...google: UK Liverpool Pathway Controversy

"Dec 1, 2012 – Almost half of dying patients placed on the controversial Liverpool Care Pathway are never told that life-saving treatment has been withdrawn, ... The system in the UK drags fearful elderly people kicking & screaming from their beds...

15 posted on 03/16/2013 9:55:52 PM PDT by spokeshave (The only people better off today than 4 years ago are the Prisoners at Guantanamo.)
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To: upchuck

“ould a logical conclusion be that nobamacare will die, crushed by its own weight?”

Unfortunately no. Look at the UK and Canada health systems, they are still around. Also, the Eastern European countries still haven’t recovered from the government healthcare system.


16 posted on 03/16/2013 9:57:53 PM PDT by Innovative ("Winning isn't everything, it's the only thing." -- Vince Lombardi)
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To: Innovative

This will make Canada’s system look good by comparison.


17 posted on 03/16/2013 10:11:02 PM PDT by Republican1795.
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To: Innovative

How many doctors are going to retire? How many already have?


18 posted on 03/16/2013 10:18:26 PM PDT by TigersEye (The irresponsible should not be leading the responsible.)
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We already lost our doctor last June because he went to work for a hospital in another town 30 miles away. We might have driven to see him except now he is no longer on staff at the hospital that is only 2 miles away from us. He said himself that the move was due to Obamacare and he was not happy about it.


19 posted on 03/16/2013 10:46:13 PM PDT by chronicles
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My mother’s pulmonary doctor (for COPD) joined the hospital and did not want to either. He’s from India, here 30 years, and can’t believe he is watching this country go down the tubes. He can’t stand Obama. He said people from India aren’t coming here because of how bad it is or will soon be.

Obama and all democrats are wicked and evil to the core. And a big thanks to John Roberts.


20 posted on 03/16/2013 10:56:54 PM PDT by tina07 (In loving memory of my father,WWII Vet. CBI 10/16/42-12/17/45, d. 11/1/85)
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To: chronicles
I have heard through friends of a couple of doctors who are retiring early because of 0bamaCare.

People don't go through 12 years of schooling-training, get tens of thousands of dollars in debt, pay 70-90% of their income for malpractice insurance, face an increased chance of Federally imposed fines, criminal charges and a geometric increase in paperwork to be flat-salaried medical technicians following a robotic regimen of practice imposed by bureaucrats.

21 posted on 03/16/2013 10:56:57 PM PDT by TigersEye (The irresponsible should not be leading the responsible.)
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To: Innovative
we have hospitalists and they work like dogs....

they don't relax....I've never seen one shrug off work in the form of tests, examinations,etc......

22 posted on 03/16/2013 11:00:54 PM PDT by cherry
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To: TigersEye

“flat-salaried medical technicians following a robotic regimen of practice imposed by bureaucrats. “

Unfortunately this about sums it up.


23 posted on 03/16/2013 11:18:05 PM PDT by Innovative ("Winning isn't everything, it's the only thing." -- Vince Lombardi)
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To: Innovative

Duh! When you get paid by the hour, guess what happens?


24 posted on 03/16/2013 11:20:07 PM PDT by wastoute (Government cannot redistribute wealth. Government can only redistribute poverty.)
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To: Innovative

I’m sure you understand me but just to be clear to all; I am not being demeaning to doctors. Simply describing what 0bamaCare will do to doctors. And still no one fully knows what all is in the law or what all regulations will be spawned from it. Not even the bureaucrats charged with coming up with them.


25 posted on 03/16/2013 11:31:08 PM PDT by TigersEye (The irresponsible should not be leading the responsible.)
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To: TigersEye

“People don’t go through 12 years of schooling-training, get tens of thousands of dollars in debt, pay 70-90% of their income for malpractice insurance, face an increased chance of Federally imposed fines, criminal charges and a geometric increase in paperwork to be flat-salaried medical technicians following a robotic regimen of practice imposed by bureaucrats.”

Brilliant. I’m a physician board certified in a lucrative subspecialty. Too young to retire. I joined a state run medical center for a decent salary. The only pathway to survival is to forgo private practice and become an employee of the Marxist and his minions. I try to treat all my patients with respect, but they are in for a rough ride with what lay ahead.


26 posted on 03/16/2013 11:48:41 PM PDT by BlueStateRightist (Think of how stupid the average person is, and realize half of them are stupider than that.)
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To: TigersEye

We know what you meant.

Doctors will not be allowed to practice medicine, only to follow rules set by bureaucrats as to what tests and treatments they are allowed to order, regardless of considering the actual needs of the individual patients.


27 posted on 03/16/2013 11:49:34 PM PDT by Innovative ("Winning isn't everything, it's the only thing." -- Vince Lombardi)
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To: BlueStateRightist

” The only pathway to survival is to forgo private practice and become an employee of the Marxist and his minions. I try to treat all my patients with respect, but they are in for a rough ride with what lay ahead.”

And I am sure that under Obamacare bureaucrats will overrule your medical judgment based on your years of training and experience and knowledge of your patients, forcing the application of “one size fits all” medicine.


28 posted on 03/16/2013 11:52:51 PM PDT by Innovative ("Winning isn't everything, it's the only thing." -- Vince Lombardi)
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To: BlueStateRightist
I sympathize with you and your patients. We are all going to feel the pain of it at some point and probably sooner rather than later. Few would blame you or other doctors if you just moved to a country where you can practice medicine properly.

My father was a family physician from '56 to '86 when he passed on. He warned me that socialized medicine would ruin health care. Told me that about 1982.

29 posted on 03/16/2013 11:58:55 PM PDT by TigersEye (The irresponsible should not be leading the responsible.)
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To: Innovative

The reality is how treatment choices will be much more limited and determined primarily by cost. The UK model (using the National Institute for Health and Clinical Excellence, aka NICE) entails just this type of rationing of drug therapy. And contrary to what some at this site believe, many modern and expensive drugs save and immeasurably improve millions of lives. I see it every day.


30 posted on 03/17/2013 12:02:29 AM PDT by BlueStateRightist (Think of how stupid the average person is, and realize half of them are stupider than that.)
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...”rationing of drug therapy”

I absolutely agree with you — just add to “drug therapy”, surgeries and tests will also be rationed.


31 posted on 03/17/2013 12:04:46 AM PDT by Innovative ("Winning isn't everything, it's the only thing." -- Vince Lombardi)
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To: FreedomStar3028

No they should contact a lawyer and have him contact the hospital with the threat of a potential lawsuit for turning away a person with a medical problem.

You’d be amazed how fast you can get a response when you call an organization and say, “Who do I talk to about a lawsuit against you and the hospital?”

I’ve have responses that passed the Speed of Light in return time.

Love it!


32 posted on 03/17/2013 12:31:08 AM PDT by MadMax, the Grinning Reaper
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To: Innovative

Not to worry. Those doctors from Kenya and Ethiopia and Salvador etc will be more than willing to work on a salary that is 10 times what they’d be paid at home.


33 posted on 03/17/2013 12:56:44 AM PDT by Terry Mross (This country will fail to exist in my lifetime. And I'm gettin' up there in age.)
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The irony is that in the name of lowering costs, ObamaCare will almost certainly make the practice of medicine more expensive.

That's not irony.

The whole point of Obamacare is to wreck US healthcare so that it can be replaced with socialised, unionised, cradle-to-grave control over the serfs.

34 posted on 03/17/2013 3:10:39 AM PDT by agere_contra (I once saw a movie where only the police and military had guns. It was called 'Schindler's List'.)
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Bump


35 posted on 03/17/2013 4:18:27 AM PDT by Incorrigible (If I lead, follow me; If I pause, push me; If I retreat, kill me.)
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To: tina07
He said people from India aren’t coming here because of how bad it is or will soon be.

A mega-wealthy friend of mine and his equally wealthy friends regularly fly to Thailand for non-emergency tests, treatment and surgeries. He tells me that the medical care there is superb and far surpasses ours and that the physical facilities border on the luxurious.

36 posted on 03/17/2013 4:27:20 AM PDT by Salvey
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You should have used the name Juan Valdez, head of line and then no bill.


37 posted on 03/17/2013 4:47:06 AM PDT by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: Terry Mross

“Those doctors from Kenya and Ethiopia and Salvador etc will be more than willing to work on a salary that is 10 times what they’d be paid at home.”

And that will define the type of medical care that the American public will get.


38 posted on 03/17/2013 5:18:32 AM PDT by pieceofthepuzzle
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To: Innovative

As a doctor working for a hospital system, I think you miss the important points. We work on commission, so we are incentivized to be productive.

With Obamacare, we will have a dramatic increase in Medicaid patients. They have no skin in the game (co-pays) and are far more likely to no show for appointments. The hospital loses money treating Medicaid patients, because the reimbursement is so low. I make almost nothing seeing these patients and they don’t listen anyway.

What is likely to happen, aside from early retirement (which I am considering), is that doctors form private groups that refuse to take Medicaid. A friend works for a group that takes only private pay and Blue Cross. It makes the paperwork easier as well.


39 posted on 03/17/2013 6:10:25 AM PDT by neocon1984
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To: BlueStateRightist
The reality is how treatment choices will be much more limited and determined primarily by cost. The UK model (using the National Institute for Health and Clinical Excellence, aka NICE) entails just this type of rationing of drug therapy. And contrary to what some at this site believe, many modern and expensive drugs save and immeasurably improve millions of lives. I see it every day.

I'm sure that many will agree that the upside of Obamacare is that the price of those drugs will be driven artificially down to prevent the greedy pharmaceutical companies from making profits.

Never mind that without being able to recoup development costs, those companies won't be developing new drugs. And when they can't afford to support research any more, that puts not only the scientists who work for those companies out of work, but also the scientists who don't work for them, but do the basic research into biology that eventually leads to new therapies and targeted drug development. There is no need to understand fundamental biological processes when nothing will be done with the knowledge.

Being one of those basic researchers, I'm having serious concerns about the future of my career. Obamacare is bad.

40 posted on 03/17/2013 6:16:24 AM PDT by exDemMom (Now that I've finally accepted that I'm living a bad hair life, I'm more at peace with the world.)
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“Never mind that without being able to recoup development costs, those companies won’t be developing new drugs. And when they can’t afford to support research any more, that puts not only the scientists who work for those companies out of work, but also the scientists who don’t work for them, but do the basic research into biology that eventually leads to new therapies and targeted drug development. There is no need to understand fundamental biological processes when nothing will be done with the knowledge.”

You make excellent points that many haven’t even started to think about. The ramifications of Obamacare won’t be fully recognized for several years and by that time it will be too late. With Obamacare and his energy policy, Obama is pushing the US down to a third world country.


41 posted on 03/17/2013 6:28:02 AM PDT by Innovative ("Winning isn't everything, it's the only thing." -- Vince Lombardi)
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To: neocon1984

“doctors form private groups that refuse to take Medicaid.”

If it isn’t already in the bill, Obama will have Congress pass a law that all practicing physicians will have to follow the rules of Obamacare.


42 posted on 03/17/2013 6:30:17 AM PDT by Innovative ("Winning isn't everything, it's the only thing." -- Vince Lombardi)
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To: Innovative

They’ve been DYING to put us out of business for years and years.

As soon as a doctor becomes a hospital employee, he drops from 72 hours a week to 38.5. Since he hasn’t taken a vacation in 20 years, he takes his four weeks right away, followed by his mandatory CME.

By the time he comes back to the office, 2/3 of the patients have gone elsewhere, AND he gets a raise.

This is what the People have wanted. Hope they’re happy with it.


43 posted on 03/17/2013 6:32:07 AM PDT by Jim Noble (When strong, avoid them. Attack their weaknesses. Emerge to their surprise.)
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What is likely to happen...is that doctors form private groups that refuse to take Medicaid

That has been illegal in Massachusetts since 1986, and it soon will be coming to a Legislature near you.

44 posted on 03/17/2013 6:35:46 AM PDT by Jim Noble (When strong, avoid them. Attack their weaknesses. Emerge to their surprise.)
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“This is what the People have wanted.”

This is NOT what “the people” wanted — even now more are opposing Obamacare than those who are for it. Those who were/are for it have been conned by Obama into believing that they will get something for nothing.

Instead of promoting personal responsibility, which has been the foundation of the US, they are promoting a nanny-state where the government will “take care” of everyone.

This is the biggest con-job on the people.


45 posted on 03/17/2013 6:49:29 AM PDT by Innovative ("Winning isn't everything, it's the only thing." -- Vince Lombardi)
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To: Innovative
Obamacare will reduce primary medical care to waiting in long lines at a clinic for a 10 minute visit with a nurse practitioner or physician's assistant. Referral to see a physician will take days to a week or more. Referral to see a specialist may take weeks or months. Large top notch medical centers like the Mayo Clinic will be catering exclusively to foreigners or those who can pay cash for their care. I expect medical tourism will become a major industry. Take a trip to the Caribbean or India to get complete medical care with no waiting, but for cash only.
46 posted on 03/17/2013 7:03:59 AM PDT by The Great RJ
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If it isn’t already in the bill, Obama will have Congress pass a law that all practicing physicians will have to follow the rules of Obamacare.

I saw my doctor on Friday. He mentioned that he would probably be sending me a letter soon, announcing that he'd joined a local medical group (he's currently a sole practitioner). Though he didn't say he was forced or compelled to take such patients, that was the unspoken part of his "increased number of Medicare / Medicaid patients" comment. Basically, he now has to find a way to share overhead costs, in order to offset Obamacare related losses.

47 posted on 03/17/2013 7:06:33 AM PDT by Charles Martel (Endeavor to persevere...)
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To: Innovative

My doctor will no longer oversee medical treatment in the hospital. If he refers me to the hospital, staff doctors I don’t know will handle the treatment

And he is now taking Friday’s off. His nurse praticioner deals with Friday emergencies.


48 posted on 03/17/2013 7:18:36 AM PDT by wildbill (You're just jealous because the Voices talk only to me.)
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To: Innovative

Everything the Democrats touch turns to crap.


49 posted on 03/17/2013 7:46:31 AM PDT by blueunicorn6 ("A crack shot and a good dancer")
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To: TigersEye
How many doctors are going to retire? How many already have?

Four of my doctors have retired.
My cardiologist's group has just joined the main local hospital.

Things getting scary.

50 posted on 03/17/2013 8:14:06 AM PDT by Vinnie
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