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Posted on 03/10/2013 10:57:55 PM PDT by Colofornian
SALT LAKE CITY (AP) - A Mormon church leader says the faith is largely in line with President Barack Obama on what needs to be included in a comprehensive immigration bill.
Dieter F. Uchtdorf, second counselor in The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints' governing First Presidency, joined 13 other faith leaders at a private meeting on the issue with Obama on Friday.
Uchtdorf said Obama urged the church leaders to stand together and ensure the U.S. remains a place where immigrants can come in a lawful way and not live in fear. The president expressed support for a bill that would streamline the legal immigration system and provide a pathway to citizenship for illegal immigrants.
"He was talking about his principles and what he said was totally in line with our values," Uchtdorf told The Salt Lake Tribune.
His comments are the strongest signs yet that the church is sympathetic to an overhaul effort that many Mormon politicians, including Utah's congressional delegation, have rejected. The state's two Senate and four House members have opposed what they call amnesty for illegal immigrants.
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#1...NOW we see what Romney would have done -- if this is what the LDS Church wanted all along!
#2...The Lds church's stance couldn't have anything to do with articles like this, could it? (See 2 LDS branch presidents in Utah deported to Guatemala, El Salvador)
#3...As I've repeatedly said, the Lds church can be quite liberal when it wants to be...Supporting abortion with ALL Kinds of exceptions. Supporting homosexual rights, etc...
NO abortion!! NO homosexual rights!! NO amnesty!! NO path to citizenship for illegal alien trespassers!!
That’s all that needs to be said Jim.
NO to all of them!! Mass stupidity.
(Thanks for the links)
I can visualize circumstances when/where the Church of Latter Day Saints is fragmented by ideas/proposals on immigration.
I can visualize non-monolithic segments (like Evangelicals) as being somewhat fragmented on some social issues.
It's always a bit tougher to say the same thing about the Mormon church and the Catholic church when edicts come down from Salt Lake City & the Vatican.
They talk about "social justice"...where's the "social justice" for those who've been waiting their turn on a list to come here...but don't have the "luxury" of living closer to an American border (to cross illegally?) ????
These are one-way "social justice" con artists who seemingly -- deliberately -- turn a blind eye to families in other parts of the world who likewise want both economic opportunities as well as possible increased security from their current locales.
And there it is. Rotten to the core.
The article itself says Uchdorf claim was that he was against illegals becoming citizens.
Let me get this right: I sneak into Saudi Arabia, Mexico or Monaco, sign-up for welfare, food benefits, free housing, free tuition and use their emergency rooms for my medical needs and then expect them to give me citizenship? Yeah, okay.
Funny, I’ve been LDS for 52 years and the only thing I remember ever getting Churchwide council was to support defense of mairrage!
So in your world ... if the LDS DOMA, then it must be bad?
Isn’t that how your standard logic Colofornian?, High Priestess of the Non-Denomination Inquisition.
I am not aware that there has ever been any dissention about this from either side of the political spectrum.
It figures. They show themselves for what they are.
Where were you in 1978 then when Lds changed its tune churchwide on accepting blacks into the priesthood? My math tells me that was 34 3/4 years ago.
* So, Mormon hierarchy excluded blacks -- and then late in the 20th century not
(And you said the above as if all Churchwide councils were uttered in your lifetime)
* Mormons forced communism upon its people -- and then not (United Order)
* Adhered to theocracies under its first two "prophets" -- and then slowly drew back
* Said polygamy was a condition of the highest degree of glory -- and then not
* POLITICALLY Encouraged its Utah Territory voters to be Democrats -- and then told whole groups of people wholesale to "balance it out" as Republicans as statehood approached
On this last point, here's the source:
"In order to gain the senates approval for statehood, Utah was required to normalize its political allegiances. The Church disbanded the Mormon Peoples Party but feared that a mass Mormon migration to the Democratic Party would displease Republican senators. Church leaders sent Apostle John Henry Smith to visit LDS congregations. It was possible to be a faithful Mormon and a Republican, he explained to the amazement of many LDS faithful. In 1893, the Church even asked some specific families to become Republicans, a move that would be unimaginable today".
See All About Mormons: learn the truth about mormons...
So there ya go. The Mormon church is such a cult that it could simply send Lds "apostle" John Henry Smith around to Mormon stakehouses and make the announcement that "some of you need to become Democrats, and some of you need to become Republicans" ... and "presto!" 'Tis done!
“Funny, Ive been trapped in the LDS cult for 52 years and the only thing I remember ever getting Churchwide council was to support defense of mairrage!”
Says it all... I wish better for you.
Prospects for conversion are few in the US and missionaries are busy in latin countries lying to residents about a "restoration of the gospel" and trying to convince them that their Christian faith, (usually catholic) is bogus.
And there we have it......never again should people who know nothing about mormonism, defend it as conservative.
What is an evangelical Christian?
“He was talking about his principles and what he said was totally in line with our values,” Uchtdorf told The Salt Lake Tribune.
His comments are the strongest signs yet that the church is sympathetic to an overhaul effort that many Mormon politicians, including Utah’s congressional delegation, have rejected.
“They are bishops in our church, but they never became legal residents because the system was not right for it and all of a sudden we are having changes even though they were more or less invited here to come because their work was needed,” Uchtdorf said.
Uchtdorf called Obama’s invitation a “great gesture” that he accepted only after talking with LDS President Thomas S. Monson and other members of the faith’s Quorum of the Twelve.
Apparently you read a different article.
Defense of marriage - polygamy.
Says it all... I wish better for you. [AMPU]
Teppe. We love you. God has great designs for your life, and they don't include becoming a Mormon god among a legion of other Mormon gods...when the honor of being an adopted son of God is in himself of such magnificence!!!
...we have this NOW.
How do members of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints feel about calling the members of its various spin-off sects Latter-Day Saints, Christians, or Mormons? Or about those sects calling themselves Mormons or Latter-Day Saints? (There was an earlier campaign by LDS to have journalism style books use the word Mormon to refer only to LDS, and not RLDS, FLDS, or other LDS sects).
For a man who bragged about holding things together, Joseph Smith, Jr. doesnt appear go have done a good job of it during his lifetime. Wycam Clarks Pure Church of Christ spun off in 1831. This trend continued. There were six LDS sects spawned in the 1830s, eight in the 1840s, two in the 1850s, and seven in the 1860s.
Do those responsible for the Mormons are Christians campaign consider these denominations to be Mormons or Latter-Day Saints? Surely many of these denominations are much closer to mainstream LDS than LDS is to Christianity. Many stick to Smiths teachings and old temple endowment ceremonies.
Short Creek Community
Latter Day Church of Christ
Apostolic United Brethren
Fundamentalist Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints
Church of the Firstborn of the Fulness [sic] of Times
Church of the Lamb of God
Church of the New Covenant in Christ
Confederate Nations of Israel
Righteous Branch of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints
School of the Prophets
Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints and the Kingdom of God
True and Living Church of Jesus Christ of Saints of the Last Days
The Church of the Firstborn and the General Assembly of Heaven
Restoration Church of Jesus Christ
Order of Enoch
Zions Order, Inc.
Perfected Church of Jesus Christ of Immaculate Latter-day Saints
Church of Jesus Christ (Bullaite)
Community of Christ
Church of Jesus Christ (Toneyite)
Independent RLDS / Restoration Branches
Church of Jesus Christ Restored 1830
Church of Christ (Lion of God Ministry/Clarkite)
Church of Jesus Christ (Zions Branch)
Restoration Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints
Remnant Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints
Church of Christ (Temple Lot) (Hedrickite)
Church of Christ (Fettingite) (Hedrickite)
Church of Christ at Halleys Bluff (Hedrickite)
Church of Christ (Restored) (Hedrickite)
Church of Christ With the Elijah Message (Hedrickite)
Church of Christ (Hancock) (Hedrickite)
Church of Christ (Burtite) (Hendrickite)
Church of Israel (Hendrickite)
Church of Christ with the Elijah Message (The Assured Way of the Lord) (Hendrickite)
The Church of Jesus Christ (Bickertonite)
Church of Jesus Christ (Cutlerite)
True Church of Jesus Christ (Cutlerite)
Restored Church of Jesus Christ (Cutlerite)
Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints (Strangite)
Holy Church of Jesus Christ (Strangite)
Church of Jesus Christ (Drewite) (Strangite)
True Church of Jesus Christ Restored (Strangite)
Pentecostal Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints (Whitmerite)
Or these defunct sects:
Pure Church of Christ (Clarkite)
Independent Church (Hotonite)
Church of Christ (Boothite)
Church of Christ (Parrishite)
Church of Christ (Chubbyite)
Church of Jesus Christ, the Bride, the Lambs Wife
Church of Christ (Pageite)
True Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints (this one was particularly curious - started by William Law, editor of The Nauvoo Expositor, just one of many sects started in opposition to plural marriage)
The Church of Zion (Godbeite)
United Order Family of Christ
Church of the Potter Christ
Church of the Firstborn (Morrisite)
Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints (Gibsonite)
Church of Jesus Christ of Saints of the Most High
Church of the Christian Brotherhood
Church of Jesus Christ of the Children of Zion (Rigdonite) Reorganized Church of Jesus Christ (Bickertonite)
Primative Church of Jesus Christ (Bickertonite)
Church of Christ (Aaron Smith)
Church of the Messiah (Adamsite)
Church of Christ (Wrightite)
Church of Christ (Whitmerite)
Church of Christ (Brewsterite)
The Bride, the Lambs Wife
Congregation of Jehovahs Presbytery of Zion
Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints (Gladdenite)
Independent Latter Day Saints of Nigeria
Independent Latter Day Saints of Ghana
Apostolic Divine Church of Ghana
Are members of those LDS groups Mormons? Latter Day Saints? Christians?
Do the folks in Salt Lake City have a problem with any of those groups, who believe in the restoration of the original church by Joseph Smith, calling themselves Mormons or Saints?
Most of these divisions in the Latter-Day Saint movement occurred over the issue of polygamy or succession of the Prophet. Sects broke off when Joseph Smith was still alive, and when Brigham Young was named prophet, because they didnt believe in the practice of plural marriage either publicly, or in some cases when it was practiced in private and denied in public.
Of course, there was the great split between Rocky Mountain Saints and Prairie Saints, when LDS members couldnt agree on a successor prophet to Smith, Jr., and the church went to Utah, Missouri, Illinois, Michigan, and Pennsylvania under Brigham Young, Sidney Rigdon (senior member of the First Presidency), James Strang, Lyman Wight, Alpheus Cutler, William Smith, David Whitmer (a BOM witness), or Joseph Smith III (son of Joseph Smith, Jr.). Almost all of these individuals still has multiple sects in existence that date to an 1844 decision about who should be the next President/Prophet of the church.
The Prairie Saints split into sects over the issue of whether Smith practiced polygamy. Rocky Mountain Saints had many, many spinoff sects after the 1890 Manifesto groups that still practice plural marriage.
Thanks to ScoutMaster for all the hard work here!
Do you 'remember' this??
"Now if any of you will deny the plurality of wives, and continue to do so, I promise that you will be damned;
and I will go still further and say, take this revelation, or any other revelation that the Lord has given,
and deny it in your feelings, and I promise that you will be damned.
Brigham Young - JoD 3:266 (July 14, 1855)
Spraken zee Duescth?
Should be repeated....often!
As dawn breaks over mesoAmerica, the trumpeting screams of the hairy curelom echo across the surrounding cites.
Iron-workers interrupt their production of vast metal works, cities that stretched from sea to shining sea hush in anticipation of another wonderful day in mormon-land.
Just last week, the mormon Jesus had visited to let native Americans know they were really Jews! What a wonderful time to be alive!!!
America today: If a native American Curelom was watching, he would have a tear in his eye...
All original cities, vanished, leaving nothing behind - not even a cigar butt!
Not even a single foundation of a single iron-workers furnace remains.
Not even a single metal work produced here.
And, as it turns out, Cureloms didnt have bones. Apparently, Cureloms had the structure of jellyfish and today, no evidence remains of their once proud reign!
Only the savage cry of the curelom remains in the brains of mormons who just believe, despite any physical evidence.
Only the ring of the ancient iron-workers hammer echos in the minds of mormons who just believe, despite the amazing disappearance of millions of metal works.
Only the cheerful laughter remains in the minds of mormons, who insist millions of people lived in cities across America - because Joseph Smith said so!
As it turns out, they too, had the structure of jellyfish.
A tear wells up in the corner of the imaginary Curelom, envisioned within the brain of mormons today.
And the Jewish Indians?
Gone. Replaced with imposters who no longer carry Jewish DNA.
Ah, but the piercing cry of the Curelom remains!!!
They will testify! Oh, how mormons will testify of the Curelom. Joe said!!!
Or all mouth and no ...
That must be why, when so MANY of them molder away in one place; all of their artifacts vanish with their cartilaginous stiffenings...
ALERT!!! Mormon 'scripture' or Bile?
You make the call...
The Nephites gather to the land of Cumorah for the final battlesMormon hides the sacred records in the hill CumorahThe Lamanites are victorious, and the Nephite nation is destroyedHundreds of thousands are slain with the sword. About A.D. 385.
1 And now I finish my record concerning the destruction of my people, the Nephites. And it came to pass that we did march forth before the Lamanites.
2 And I, Mormon, wrote an epistle unto the king of the Lamanites, and desired of him that he would grant unto us that we might gather together our people unto the land of Cumorah, by a hill which was called Cumorah, and there we could give them battle.
3 And it came to pass that the king of the Lamanites did grant unto me the thing which I desired.
4 And it came to pass that we did march forth to the land of Cumorah, and we did pitch our tents around about the hill Cumorah; and it was in a land of many waters, rivers, and fountains; and here we had hope to gain advantage over the Lamanites.
5 And *when three hundred and eighty and four years had passed away, we had gathered in all the remainder of our people unto the land of Cumorah.
6 And it came to pass that when we had gathered in all our people in one to the land of Cumorah, behold I, Mormon, began to be old; and knowing it to be the last struggle of my people, and having been commanded of the Lord that I should not suffer the records which had been handed down by our fathers, which were sacred, to fall into the hands of the Lamanites, (for the Lamanites would destroy them) therefore I made this record out of the plates of Nephi, and hid up in the hill Cumorah all the records which had been entrusted to me by the hand of the Lord, save it were these few plates which I gave unto my son Moroni.
7 And it came to pass that my people, with their wives and their children, did now behold the armies of the Lamanites marching towards them; and with that awful fear of death which fills the breasts of all the wicked, did they await to receive them.
8 And it came to pass that they came to battle against us, and every soul was filled with terror because of the greatness of their numbers.
9 And it came to pass that they did fall upon my people with the sword, and with the bow, and with the arrow, and with the ax, and with all manner of weapons of war.
10 And it came to pass that my men were hewn down, yea, even my ten thousand who were with me, and I fell wounded in the midst; and they passed by me that they did not put an end to my life.
11And when they had gone through and hewn down all my people save it were twenty and four of us, (among whom was my son Moroni) and we having survived the dead of our people, did behold on the morrow, when the Lamanites had returned unto their camps, from the top of the hill Cumorah, the ten thousand of my people who were hewn down, being led in the front by me.
12 And we also beheld the ten thousand of my people who were led by my son Moroni.
13 And behold, the ten thousand of Gidgiddonah had fallen, and he also in the midst.
14 And Lamah had fallen with his ten thousand; and Gilgal had fallen with his ten thousand; and Limhah had fallen with his ten thousand; and Jeneum had fallen with his ten thousand; and Cumenihah, and Moronihah, and Antionum, and Shiblom, and Shem, and Josh, had fallen with their ten thousand each.
15 And it came to pass that there were ten more who did fall by the sword, with their ten thousand each; yea, even all my people, save it were those twenty and four who were with me, and also a few who had escaped into the south countries, and a few who had deserted over unto the Lamanites, had fallen; and their flesh, and bones, and blood lay upon the face of the earth, being left by the hands of those who slew them to molder upon the land, and to crumble and to return to their mother earth.
16 And my soul was rent with anguish, because of the slain of my people, and I cried:
17 O ye fair ones, how could ye have departed from the ways of the Lord! O ye fair ones, how could ye have rejected that Jesus, who stood with open arms to receive you!
18 Behold, if ye had not done this, ye would not have fallen. But behold, ye are fallen, and I mourn your loss.
19 O ye fair sons and daughters, ye fathers and mothers, ye husbands and wives, ye fair ones, how is it that ye could have fallen!
20 But behold, ye are gone, and my sorrows cannot bring your return.
21 And the day soon cometh that your mortal must put on immortality, and these bodies which are now moldering in corruption must soon become incorruptible bodies; and then ye must stand before the judgment-seat of Christ, to be judged according to your works; and if it so be that ye are righteous, then are ye blessed with your fathers who have gone before you.
22 O that ye had repented before this great destruction had come upon you. But behold, ye are gone, and the Father, yea, the Eternal Father of heaven, knoweth your state; and he doeth with you according to his justice and mercy.
2. For verily thus saith the Lord, that inasmuch as there are those among you who deny my name, others shall be planted in their stead and receive their bishopric.
Strange, ain't it...