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General: Heart attack killed a suffering Chavez ("I don't want to die" his last words)
My Way News (AP) ^ | Mar 7, 5:35 AM (ET) | FABIOLA SANCHEZ

Posted on 03/07/2013 4:27:10 AM PST by MuttTheHoople

President Hugo Chavez died of a massive heart attack after great suffering and inaudibly mouthed his desire to live, the head of Venezuela's presidential guard said late Wednesday.

"He couldn't speak but he said it with his lips ...

'I don't want to die. Please don't let me die,' because he loved his country, he sacrificed himself for his country," Gen. Jose Ornella told The Associated Press.

(Excerpt) Read more at apnews.myway.com ...


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: chavez; coward; death; venezuela
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Most people who go to Christless graves, die horrifying deaths. Chavez refused to face eternity, and it cost him dearly.


1 posted on 03/07/2013 4:27:32 AM PST by MuttTheHoople
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To: MuttTheHoople

“I smell sulphur.” — Hugo Chavez


2 posted on 03/07/2013 4:32:37 AM PST by twister881
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To: MuttTheHoople
It's been my experience that those of faith are “ready to go home” because they know what's ahead is God's glory. Sounds like Hugo wasn't convinced he'd have that experience.
3 posted on 03/07/2013 4:32:58 AM PST by liberalh8ter (If Barack has a memory like a steel trap, why can't he remember what the Constitution says?)
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To: MuttTheHoople

How do you know that he didn’t repent near the end? That’s quite presumptuous to assume that he’s in hell. If he was sincerely contrite an all-loving and merciful God would have forgiven him.


4 posted on 03/07/2013 4:33:27 AM PST by Carpe Cerevisi
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To: MuttTheHoople

I’m glad this ugly socialist creep suffered.

may the big eared dumbo socialist also someday suffer a similar fate and may they both Obama and chavez burn in hell


5 posted on 03/07/2013 4:35:06 AM PST by rurgan (give laws an expiration date:so the congress has to review every 4 years to see if needed)
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To: MuttTheHoople

He had plenty of time to prepare.


6 posted on 03/07/2013 4:38:44 AM PST by Berlin_Freeper (RETURN TO MECCA [http://youtu.be/zWQkaDUCJ_Y])
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To: Carpe Cerevisi

If Hitler, Mao, or Pol Pot repented at the hour of their deaths, are they now in Glory?

What many miss is that between repentance and forgiveness is penance. Highly unlikely any of these tyrants, including Chavez, passed through that stage.


7 posted on 03/07/2013 4:40:58 AM PST by twister881
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To: MuttTheHoople

Hugo was a Coward...his represents this...and will live forever in regrets with millions of other souls in the coldness of Hell...


8 posted on 03/07/2013 4:42:52 AM PST by BCW (http://babylonscovertwar.com/index.html)
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To: MuttTheHoople

He sacrificed himself for his country?

That’s piling it a little deep on someone who sacrificed himself into a Billion dollars he stole from his country.


9 posted on 03/07/2013 4:44:55 AM PST by Venturer
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To: MuttTheHoople
"He couldn't speak but he said it with his lips ... 'I don't want to die. Please don't let me die,' because he loved his country, he sacrificed himself for his country," ....

A more likely set of reasons: 1. He had over $2B in stolen funds stashed away that he hadn't spent yet. 2. He knew he was going to HELL.

10 posted on 03/07/2013 4:47:48 AM PST by rbg81
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To: twister881
If Hitler, Mao, or Pol Pot repented at the hour of their deaths, are they now in Glory?

"I don't want to die" is not repentent. The socialist tyrant is receiving his "reward"...

11 posted on 03/07/2013 4:49:20 AM PST by Common Sense 101 (Hey libs... If your theories fly in the face of reality, it's not reality that's wrong.)
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To: MuttTheHoople
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12 posted on 03/07/2013 4:50:43 AM PST by SWAMPSNIPER (The Second Amendment, a Matter of Fact, Not a Matter of Opinion)
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To: MuttTheHoople

Chavez had no heart, so how could he have a heart attack. This General is full of baloney, the cancer killed him. Chavez probably slipped into a coma weeks before and the media had to get its apparatus in place to show that Chavez did a natural death - heart attack and was fighting to live to the end. More BS.


13 posted on 03/07/2013 4:57:19 AM PST by hondact200 (Candor dat viribos alas (sincerity gives wings to strength) and Nil desperandum (never despair))
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To: MuttTheHoople

As the moment of Death approaches our artifices crumble away and the Voice of the Holy Spirit, always present, becomes a roar and undeniable.


14 posted on 03/07/2013 4:57:47 AM PST by TalBlack (Evil doesn't have a day job.)
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To: Carpe Cerevisi
"That’s quite presumptuous to assume that he’s in hell."

Its more presumptuous to assume he is not. :p

15 posted on 03/07/2013 4:57:47 AM PST by Casie (democrats destroy)
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To: MuttTheHoople

‘I don’t want to die. Please don’t let me die,’ because he loved his country, he sacrificed himself for his country,” Gen. Jose Ornella told The Associated Press.

Just as an aside, it may have had something to do with the reported one billion dollars in his personal bank account; money he managed to siphon off the public teat while imposing communism on the ‘Little People.’


16 posted on 03/07/2013 4:58:50 AM PST by Jack Hammer
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To: MuttTheHoople

I saw a squirrel dead by the side of the road at the same time that I heard that chavez was room temperature.
I really felt sorry for the squirrel.


17 posted on 03/07/2013 5:01:29 AM PST by I want the USA back
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To: twister881

Exactly. I doubt the almighty can be outsmarted by a bedside conversion. Also, it’s barely loving and kind to wink at the suffering of the millions caused by those tyrants.


18 posted on 03/07/2013 5:03:58 AM PST by MNDude (I survived the sequester!)
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To: twister881

Penance? sorry I don’t buy that, at least not in God’s word. I don’t know what you’re reading.


19 posted on 03/07/2013 5:05:17 AM PST by Bulwyf
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To: Carpe Cerevisi
How do you know that he didn’t repent near the end?
Soooo, that's how it works.
Millions of people suffer for decades while you live like a king and then near the end you say - "nevermind" - and expect some heavenly reward.

20 posted on 03/07/2013 5:09:56 AM PST by oh8eleven (RVN '67-'68)
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To: twister881
That's not a very correct view of the Gospel. There was a thief on a Cross that lived a reprobate life and repented at the end. And he's in Heaven. The Gospel is this: Repent with Godly sorrow, coming to grips that your sin is against a Holy God...and that you deserve hell...Just like Chavez...just like Stalin...just like Hitler...just like Mao...(2 Cor 7:10)...Confess and Believe...call...and you shall be saved (Romans 10:9-14). Period.

Now, that being said, I also highly doubt any of these understood their need for a savior because their sin was an offense to a Holy God and the wrath of that Holy God rested upon them (John 3:36). But had they understood that...repented...and placed their faith in the finish work of Christ...then the Bible promises salvation. Too many have worldy sorry about their sin...and not Godly sorrow. They think, somehow, their righteousness makes them BETTER than those mentioned above...when in fact, all of our righteousness...the best part about us...is but filthy rags (IS 64:6). We are ALL unclean and need to be washed...and HIDDEN in the Blood of Christ.

Rewards? Not so much...but only as one escaping through the fire (1 Cor 3:15)

21 posted on 03/07/2013 5:13:59 AM PST by NELSON111
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To: twister881
What many miss is that between repentance and forgiveness is penance.

My Bible says Jesus Christ.

22 posted on 03/07/2013 5:16:28 AM PST by Starstruck (I need a 30 round magazine because liberal whine gives me a buzz.)
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To: MuttTheHoople

I don’t want to die.. don’t let me die.. I haven’t spent the billions I stole from the gullible poor people yet!


23 posted on 03/07/2013 5:17:17 AM PST by TexasFreeper2009 (Obama lied .. the economy died.)
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To: MuttTheHoople
I don't want to die

no soup - room temp for you

24 posted on 03/07/2013 5:17:50 AM PST by Revelation 911 (hump scratching n'er do well.....all strung out on chicken wings and venison jerky)
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To: twister881
What many miss is that between repentance and forgiveness is penance. Highly unlikely any of these tyrants, including Chavez, passed through that stage.

Are you saying that Christ's work on the cross isn't sufficient all by itself?

Interesting. Please explain the thief on the cross.

25 posted on 03/07/2013 5:20:13 AM PST by tx_eggman (Liberalism is only possible in that moment when a man chooses Barabas over Christ.)
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To: Carpe Cerevisi

he wasn’t sincerely contrite or insincerely contrite. He wasn’t contrite at all. You are correct though, that if he had repented from being a murdering traitorous thief, God would have forgiven him.


26 posted on 03/07/2013 5:22:20 AM PST by yldstrk (My heroes have always been cowboys)
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To: twister881
If Hitler, Mao, or Pol Pot repented at the hour of their deaths, are they now in Glory?

If so, Heaven has gone to Hell in a handbasket.

27 posted on 03/07/2013 5:25:14 AM PST by ROCKLOBSTER (Hey RATS! Control your murdering freaks.)
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To: Starstruck

So you think the healing is instantaneous when Christ is accepted by a soul? That there is not a leading and a healing process that takes place over time and study?


28 posted on 03/07/2013 5:27:49 AM PST by yldstrk (My heroes have always been cowboys)
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To: twister881

You posted, in part: What many miss is that between repentance and forgiveness is penance.
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Not to get all religious, but not everyone believes as you do (and that is perfectly ok by me, for the record).

My belief is that honest acknowledgment of God as God, and Christ as Savior, confessing one’s sins, is sufficient for salvation. I don’t know when the last shot at that is giving by God (I think of the parable of the workers in the vineyard, where the workers who show up just before quittin’
time get the same pay as those who were there all day— not sure when “quittin’ time” is...).

But not everyone believes as I do...


29 posted on 03/07/2013 5:34:58 AM PST by NCLaw441
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To: yldstrk
So you think the healing is instantaneous when Christ is accepted by a soul?Yes.

That there is not a leading and a healing process that takes place over time and study?Ask the thief on the Cross about that when you get to Heaven.

30 posted on 03/07/2013 5:39:19 AM PST by MuttTheHoople (Pray for Joe Biden- Proverbs 29:9)
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To: twister881
What many miss is that between repentance and forgiveness is penance. Highly unlikely any of these tyrants, including Chavez, passed through that stage.

Really? So salvation depends on yourself. Something you must do in the way of works. Another false Catholic teaching.
31 posted on 03/07/2013 5:41:43 AM PST by Old Yeller
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To: MuttTheHoople

Then why do people accept Christ and then shortly thereafter fall off the wagon?


32 posted on 03/07/2013 5:43:21 AM PST by yldstrk (My heroes have always been cowboys)
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To: Old Yeller

surely you don’t buy the I can kill every morning and ask for forgiveness every afternoon garbage?


33 posted on 03/07/2013 5:44:41 AM PST by yldstrk (My heroes have always been cowboys)
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So you think the healing is instantaneous when Christ is accepted by a soul? That there is not a leading and a healing process that takes place over time and study?

I think study and time does not neccessarily lead to salvation, but that study and time can lead to instantaneous salvation. Different people require different amounts of knowledge to accept Christ as Lord. You either believe or or don't believe. No shades of gray.

34 posted on 03/07/2013 5:47:38 AM PST by Starstruck (I need a 30 round magazine because liberal whine gives me a buzz.)
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To: Starstruck
I think study and time does not neccessarily lead to salvation, but that study and time can lead to instantaneous salvation. Different people require different amounts of knowledge to accept Christ as Lord. You either believe or or don't believe. No shades of gray.

No doubt, and true repentance necessarily contains the desire to do penance. Without that desire, the repentance is not authentic.

35 posted on 03/07/2013 5:52:34 AM PST by Trailerpark Badass (So?)
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To: MuttTheHoople
DIE WITH HONOR!


36 posted on 03/07/2013 5:54:33 AM PST by 11th Commandment (http://www.thirty-thousand.org/)
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To: Old Yeller
So salvation depends on yourself. Something you must do in the way of works. Another false Catholic teaching.

LOL, you got that right.

Catholics don't teach that at all.

37 posted on 03/07/2013 5:54:54 AM PST by Trailerpark Badass (So?)
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To: Starstruck

You miss my point. Once you accept Christ, you may not know all the things you can learn from studying the Bible about how God works and how to wait on the Lord, etc.


38 posted on 03/07/2013 5:57:15 AM PST by yldstrk (My heroes have always been cowboys)
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To: I want the USA back

Don’t feel sorry for the squirrel. It’s romping around in the branches of the Tree of Life as we speak.


39 posted on 03/07/2013 6:03:26 AM PST by BraveMan
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To: MuttTheHoople

After reading these comments, I have only one thing to add: I did not read anywhere in the article that Hugo implored his God and Savior for forgiveness. He only said (according to heresay), “I don’t want to die.”

The usual plea of a penitent sinner is “Jesus, forgive me” or some other such type of remorse. Chavez’s only final remarks were, “I don’t want to die.” He does not sound like a believer in any Being other than his own inflated ego.


40 posted on 03/07/2013 6:03:45 AM PST by Gumdrop
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No doubt, and true repentance necessarily contains the desire to do penance. Without that desire, the repentance is not authentic.

You have me at a disadvantage. I can find the word repentance in the my Bible so I can understand its meaning as pertaining to things of the spirit, but I can not find the word penance. Could you use another word that might enlighten me?

41 posted on 03/07/2013 6:07:53 AM PST by Starstruck (I need a 30 round magazine because liberal whine gives me a buzz.)
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To: Gumdrop

I’m surprised his last words weren’t ... is it getting hot in here, or is it just me?

lol


42 posted on 03/07/2013 6:08:36 AM PST by TexasFreeper2009 (Obama lied .. the economy died.)
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To: MuttTheHoople
General: Heart attack killed a suffering Chavez

His suffering is over. The suffering of Venezuela due to his policies continues.

43 posted on 03/07/2013 6:09:24 AM PST by DoodleDawg
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To: MuttTheHoople

sic semper tyrannus

even “presidents for life” have term limits


44 posted on 03/07/2013 6:12:54 AM PST by silverleaf (Age Takes a Toll: Please Have Exact Change)
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To: NELSON111

Stalin died shaking his fist at an invisible presence waiting for him

Maybe now Hugo is with him


45 posted on 03/07/2013 6:14:36 AM PST by silverleaf (Age Takes a Toll: Please Have Exact Change)
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To: Jack Hammer

“No quiero morirme! No me dejen morir!!”

It’s said that the dying Stalin saw the gates of Hell opening up before him and that he frantically pointed at them just before he croaked. Hope Chavez saw the same.

Sic semper tyrannis!


46 posted on 03/07/2013 6:16:40 AM PST by elcid1970 ("The Second Amendment is more important than Islam.")
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To: yldstrk
You miss my point. Once you accept Christ, you may not know all the things you can learn from studying the Bible about how God works and how to wait on the Lord, etc.

Quite right. Until you accept Christ, your knowledge is the same as any atheist who has studied the Bible. Once you accept, spiritual understanding of what you are studying takes it to a whole other level.

47 posted on 03/07/2013 6:18:46 AM PST by Starstruck (I need a 30 round magazine because liberal whine gives me a buzz.)
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To: I want the USA back

“I really felt sorry for the squirrel”.

ROTFLMAO!!


48 posted on 03/07/2013 6:23:16 AM PST by momtothree
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To: MuttTheHoople

Anyone believe that? He’s gone, may the Castros be NEXT, Cuba Libre!


49 posted on 03/07/2013 6:23:51 AM PST by WellyP (question!)
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To: Starstruck
The most important, and first, component of penance is contrition.

But, I would suppose you consider THAT a "filthy rag."

50 posted on 03/07/2013 6:24:12 AM PST by Trailerpark Badass (So?)
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