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To: Carpe Cerevisi

If Hitler, Mao, or Pol Pot repented at the hour of their deaths, are they now in Glory?

What many miss is that between repentance and forgiveness is penance. Highly unlikely any of these tyrants, including Chavez, passed through that stage.


7 posted on 03/07/2013 4:40:58 AM PST by twister881
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To: twister881
If Hitler, Mao, or Pol Pot repented at the hour of their deaths, are they now in Glory?

"I don't want to die" is not repentent. The socialist tyrant is receiving his "reward"...

11 posted on 03/07/2013 4:49:20 AM PST by Common Sense 101 (Hey libs... If your theories fly in the face of reality, it's not reality that's wrong.)
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To: twister881

Exactly. I doubt the almighty can be outsmarted by a bedside conversion. Also, it’s barely loving and kind to wink at the suffering of the millions caused by those tyrants.


18 posted on 03/07/2013 5:03:58 AM PST by MNDude (I survived the sequester!)
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To: twister881

Penance? sorry I don’t buy that, at least not in God’s word. I don’t know what you’re reading.


19 posted on 03/07/2013 5:05:17 AM PST by Bulwyf
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To: twister881
That's not a very correct view of the Gospel. There was a thief on a Cross that lived a reprobate life and repented at the end. And he's in Heaven. The Gospel is this: Repent with Godly sorrow, coming to grips that your sin is against a Holy God...and that you deserve hell...Just like Chavez...just like Stalin...just like Hitler...just like Mao...(2 Cor 7:10)...Confess and Believe...call...and you shall be saved (Romans 10:9-14). Period.

Now, that being said, I also highly doubt any of these understood their need for a savior because their sin was an offense to a Holy God and the wrath of that Holy God rested upon them (John 3:36). But had they understood that...repented...and placed their faith in the finish work of Christ...then the Bible promises salvation. Too many have worldy sorry about their sin...and not Godly sorrow. They think, somehow, their righteousness makes them BETTER than those mentioned above...when in fact, all of our righteousness...the best part about us...is but filthy rags (IS 64:6). We are ALL unclean and need to be washed...and HIDDEN in the Blood of Christ.

Rewards? Not so much...but only as one escaping through the fire (1 Cor 3:15)

21 posted on 03/07/2013 5:13:59 AM PST by NELSON111
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To: twister881
What many miss is that between repentance and forgiveness is penance.

My Bible says Jesus Christ.

22 posted on 03/07/2013 5:16:28 AM PST by Starstruck (I need a 30 round magazine because liberal whine gives me a buzz.)
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To: twister881
What many miss is that between repentance and forgiveness is penance. Highly unlikely any of these tyrants, including Chavez, passed through that stage.

Are you saying that Christ's work on the cross isn't sufficient all by itself?

Interesting. Please explain the thief on the cross.

25 posted on 03/07/2013 5:20:13 AM PST by tx_eggman (Liberalism is only possible in that moment when a man chooses Barabas over Christ.)
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To: twister881
If Hitler, Mao, or Pol Pot repented at the hour of their deaths, are they now in Glory?

If so, Heaven has gone to Hell in a handbasket.

27 posted on 03/07/2013 5:25:14 AM PST by ROCKLOBSTER (Hey RATS! Control your murdering freaks.)
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To: twister881

You posted, in part: What many miss is that between repentance and forgiveness is penance.
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Not to get all religious, but not everyone believes as you do (and that is perfectly ok by me, for the record).

My belief is that honest acknowledgment of God as God, and Christ as Savior, confessing one’s sins, is sufficient for salvation. I don’t know when the last shot at that is giving by God (I think of the parable of the workers in the vineyard, where the workers who show up just before quittin’
time get the same pay as those who were there all day— not sure when “quittin’ time” is...).

But not everyone believes as I do...


29 posted on 03/07/2013 5:34:58 AM PST by NCLaw441
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To: twister881
What many miss is that between repentance and forgiveness is penance. Highly unlikely any of these tyrants, including Chavez, passed through that stage.

Really? So salvation depends on yourself. Something you must do in the way of works. Another false Catholic teaching.
31 posted on 03/07/2013 5:41:43 AM PST by Old Yeller
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To: twister881

Jesus paid the price. But they have to accept His sacrifice. Having believed otherwise their entire lives, it is unlikely that they changed their minds at the last minute.

Could have happened, though, and if so he is now in Glory with God. However, I’m not expecting to see him when I get to Heaven.

If I do, I can only rejoice that God brought another sinner home. Whichever it is, though, he has decided his own eternal fate for himself.


54 posted on 03/07/2013 6:32:44 AM PST by chesley (Vast deserts of political ignorance makes liberalism possible - James Lewis)
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To: twister881
If Hitler, Mao, or Pol Pot repented at the hour of their deaths, are they now in Glory?

According to the Gospels....yes.


61 posted on 03/07/2013 6:43:27 AM PST by Buckeye McFrog
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To: twister881

What many miss is that between repentance and forgiveness is penance. Highly unlikely any of these tyrants, including Chavez, passed through that stage.


And the thief on the cross? How much penance did he have to do before he went to Paradise that day? Maybe he received a special dispensation because the college of cardinals were out of town at the time.
More of the foolish theology that Christ’s sacrifice wasn’t enough, man has to help in order for the cross to be fulfilled. Idiocy


69 posted on 03/07/2013 7:13:28 AM PST by Joshua
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To: twister881
If Hitler, Mao, or Pol Pot repented at the hour of their deaths, are they now in Glory?

Yes. As evidence, I would cite the parable about the workers in the vineyard, (Matthew 20:1-16), or the Good Thief.

But it's also true that those who are habituated to sin are unlikely to have a change of heart, in the end, which is one reason why it is wise to live a virtuous life.

What many miss is that between repentance and forgiveness is penance.

True. Which is a logical argument for the existence of a state of purification after death, i.e., Purgatory.

Matt. 12:32 – Jesus says, “And anyone who says a word against the Son of man will be forgiven; but no one who speaks against the Holy Spirit will be forgiven either in this world or in the next.”
Jesus thus clearly provides that there exists the possibility of forgiveness after death.

The phrase “in the next” (from the Greek “en to mellonti”) generally refers to the afterlife (see, for example, Mark 10.30; Luke 18.30; 20.34-35; Eph. 1.21 for similar language). Forgiveness is not necessary in heaven, and there is no forgiveness in hell. This proves that there is another state after death, and the Church for 2,000 years has called this state purgatory.

Scriptural support for the doctrine of Purgatory.

70 posted on 03/07/2013 7:13:45 AM PST by St_Thomas_Aquinas
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