Posted on 03/04/2013 9:39:34 PM PST by Tailgunner Joe
DENVER — Democrats have now passed the first six of seven gun control measures being heard at the Capitol Monday, on a marathon day of Senate hearings that brought hundreds of people to the Capitol — all of them on party-line votes with Democrats in support and Republicans opposed.
Just after 9 p.m., lawmakers on the Senate Judiciary Committee approved a controversial proposal that would make assault weapons manufacturers and retailers liable for crimes.
“No one needs an assault rifle,” said the sponsor, Senate President John Morse, D-Colorado Springs. “Society pays the price when one of these weapons falls into the wrong hands.
“Someone made a profit letting these weapons onto our streets but they don’t’ ever have to absorb the cost for the damage they cause.”
One gun owner, who waited several hours to testify, put it bluntly, telling Morse that his bill “pisses [her] off”.
Meanwhile, a few moments later, the Senate State, Veterans and Military Affairs Committee, meeting one floor above, passed its third and final bill of the day, House Bill 1226, which seeks to ban concealed weapons on college campuses.
During the hearing, lawmakers heard from two women who were raped on college campuses and who argued against the ban, telling lawmakers that they might have been able to fight off their attackers were they carrying concealed weapons.
Sen. Evie Hudak, D-Westminster, told that witness, Amanda Collins, that statistics were “not in [her] favor”.
“Women are more likely to have those guns used against them,” Hudak said at the end of the hearing, clarifying a position that several conservative commentators took issue with as the hearing went on.
Tearing up, Sen. Angela Giron, D-Pueblo, who chairs the committee, acknowledged the difficulty of voting for the proposal after hearing emotional testimony from victims, but said that she’s promised her constituents she would.
High-capacity magazine ban passes
One of the most controversial proposals of the seven, House Bill 1224, which bans high-capacity magazines of 15 rounds or more, got the go-ahead from the Senate Judiciary Committee just before 6 p.m. as groans from the mostly opposed crowd filled the Old Supreme Court Chamber.
The legislation, which was amended so as not to ban shotguns and to exempt law enforcement officers, heads to the full Senate for a vote that’s likely to take place this Friday.
During the nearly four-hour hearing, relatives of those killed in mass shootings spoke passionately in support of the bill; and opponents, including a number of Colorado sheriffs were just as emotional.
The CEO of Magpul Industries, a manufacturer of high-capacity magazines based in Erie, reiterated the company’s threat to leave the state if the bill becomes law.
“Making products that are illegal here in Colorado is counter to our values,” said Richard Fitzpatrick, the founder and CEO of Magpul.
Lawmakers in the House, which has already approved the bill, added an amendment that would allow the company to continue making high-capacity magazines here for sales and use in other states.
And Dudley Brown, the executive director of Rocky Mountain Gun Owners, the state’s most strident gun rights group, was gaveled out of order by the committee chair after threatening to financially support whoever runs against Sen. Jessie Ulibarri, D-Adams County, who voted in favor of the ban.
Background check fees legislation passes
A few minutes earlier, House Bill 1228, which will require gun buyers to pay for their own background checks, cleared the Senate State, Veterans and Military Affairs Committee, which has been meeting simultaneously upstairs, on a 3-2 party-line vote.
The proposal, sponsored by Sen. Rollie Heath, D-Boulder, would make gun buyers pay a $10 or $12 fee for a Colorado Bureau of Investigation instant background check.
The Senate SVMA Committee is now set to begin debate on its final bill of the day, a concealed weapons ban on college campuses.
Meanwhile, the Senate Judiciary Committee is beginning to hear Senate Bill 196, perhaps the most controversial proposal of all, which would make assault weapons manufacturers and retailers liable for crimes.
“No one needs an assault rifle,” said the sponsor, Senate President John Morse. “Society pays the price when one of these weapons falls into the wrong hands.
“Someone made a profit letting these weapons onto our streets but they don’t’ ever have to absorb the cost for the damage they cause.”
Domestic violence gun restriction the first bill to pass Monday
Earlier in the day, legislation that would force convicted domestic violence offenders and anyone subject to a restraining order to relinquish their guns to law enforcement became the first of the seven Democratic gun control bills being heard Monday to get the go-ahead.
The Senate Judiciary Committee, after three hours of emotional and at times wrenching public testimony, passed Senate Bill 197 on a party-line, 3-2 vote and heads now to the Senate Appropriations Committee.
“This bill is more than a ‘feel-good’,” said Sen. Evie Hudak, the bill’s sponsor, in response to arguments from opponents. “I will feel good when fewer people die, when an abuser doesn’t have a gun to kill them.”
S.B. 197 was the first of four gun control measures scheduled to be heard by the five-member Judiciary Committee Monday.
Around 3 p.m., lawmakers upstairs on the Senate State, Veterans and Military Affairs voted to approve House Bill 1229, which will require universal background checks for all gun purchases and transfers, the first of three bills being considered by that panel.
Lawmakers amended the bill so that transfers between family members do not require a background check for the first 72 hours.
That vote was also 3-2 and right down party lines.
Huge crowd of mostly opponents flood the Capitol
Hundreds of people began filling the Capitol’s hallways and hearing rooms early Monday morning, waiting to testify on seven Democratic gun bills that are being heard by two, separate Senate committees.
Gun owners who oppose the various proposals, which include a ban on high-capacity magazines, universal background checks, and a measure to make assault weapons manufacturers and sellers criminally liable for crimes, flooded the Capitol, the sidewalks outside and even the air above, with a circling airplane trailing a sign pleading Gov. John Hickenlooper not to “take our guns.”
And since the hearings got underway, a persistent wail of honking horns and car alarms has been heard inside the hearing rooms, signaling the determination of some opponents, many frustrated at the limited time allowed for official testimony, to make their opposition heard.
Proponents of the bills also launched an intense public relations blitz, starting the day with a press conference featuring several victims of mass shootings: former space shuttle Commander Mark Kelly, the husband of former Congresswoman Gabby Giffords; Patricia Maisich, one of three people who tackled Giffords’ shooter as he was reloading; Tom Mauser, whose son, Daniel, was killed at Columbine; Dave Hoover, whose nephew, A.J. Boik, was one of 12 people killed last July inside Aurora’s Century 16 Theater; and Jane Dougherty, whose sister, Mary Sherlach, was killed at Sandy Hook School last December, along with 20 first-graders.
With seven bills being heard in two separate committees meeting at the same time, Senate Democrats have decided to limit testimony to three hours — 90 minutes per side — on all of the bills, all seven of which are expected to pass Monday on party-line votes.
Democrats hold 3-2 majorities on both the Senate Judiciary Committee, which is hearing four bills in the Old Supreme Court chamber, and the Senate State, Veterans and Miliary Affairs Committee, which is hearing three bills up on the Capitol’s third floor.
Mark Kelly testifies in support of universal background checks
Kelly testified in support of House Bill 1229, which will require background checks on all private gun sales, the first bill heard by the SVMA Committee Monday.
“We don’t come to the debate on gun violence as victims,” he said. “We offer our voices as Americans. We’re moderates. We’re both gun owners. And we take that right and the responsibilities that come with it very seriously.”
Kelly told the story of his wife’s shooting two Januarys ago, and of her difficult recovery; he noted that the alleged shooter, Jared Lee Loughner, bought his weapon after passing a background check, despite his mental health records already having disqualified him for military service and being kicked out of school.
“He should not have passed a background check,” Kelly said, when pressed on that point by Sen. Larry Crowder, R-Alamosa. “The Army knew he was a heavy drug user. His records should have been in the system. He should have failed a background check. But had that happened, he still would have had another option, to go down the street, get online, and buy a weapon.
“The breadth and complexity of gun violence is great. But that is not an excuse for inaction.”
Kelly compared having loopholes for background checks on private sales and, in many other states, at gun shows to having two different security lines at the airport.
“If there’s no security in one of the lines, which one do you think the terrorist will choose?” he said.
Sandy Hook victim’s sister also backs universal background checks
CBI Director Ron Sloan, Aurora Police Chief Dan Oates and Jane Dougherty, whose sister, Mary Sherlach, was the school pyschologist killed at Sandy Hook School last December, also testified in support of universal background checks.
“I hear that some think universal background checks is a burden. I’d like to speak directly to them,” said Dougherty, who lives in Littleton.
“A burden is hearing about a mass shooting in Connecticut, working with your family through the chaos to coinfirm it is your sister’s school; a burden is getting a call from your niece: ‘we lost her.’
“A burden is everything that comes after this horrific news, explaining a mass shooting to your 10 year old son.”
“A background check is not a burden. It will save lives,” Dougherty told the committee. “Maybe even your family’s.”
Dave Hoover, whose nephew A.J. Boik was killed inside the Aurora movie theater last July, also testified in support of universal background checks.
“I’m a Republican,” said Hoover, a detective. “Many men and women I work with want to see a difference made in the state. We want to see our Republican representatives do the right thing.
“It’s time for us to make a difference.”
Dougherty, Hoover and Tom Mauser, whose son, Daniel, was killed at Columbine, also testified later Monday in support of the high-capacity magazine ban.
Opponents begin testimony with murder victim’s daughter
The daughter of a murder victim of Gary Davis, the last man executed by the state of Colorado in 1997, was the first person to testify against universal background checks.
Krista said that she opposes all gun controls and believes that had her mother had a gun to defend herself she might be alive today.
“Background checks won’t stop the next Gary Davis,” Krista said. “They’ll just make my world less safe.”
A group of sheriffs, many from rural counties, spoke against background checks, with one representative, Sheriff John Cooke of Weld County, speaking as a group of supporing sheriffs, all in uniform, stood quietly behind him.
“It seems mostly like Denver metro area sheriffs who are supporting this,” Cooke said. “We know there are a lot of chiefs and line level police officers throughout the state who don’t support these bills.”
“Despite protests, 6 of 7 Democratic gun control bills clear Colo. Senate committees…”
I’m surprised that any Freeper would be shocked by this.
Colorado is a “blue state” now.
What this -really- indicates is just HOW “blue” that state has become. It looks like there will be “no goin’ back” in Colorado.
The blue states are currently engaged in a race amongst themselves, with the goal being just how many Second Amendment rights can be restricted and taken away.
Don’t expect the DC government to intervene — because it may in fact be the driving force behind this putsch.
Conservatives must realize that they have no future in Colorado or in states like it. These states are on the verge of becoming the “new-slave states” insofar as respect for the tradtitional rights of those within are involved.
Their only option is to get on board “the freedom train” and GET OUT of the blue states, into those red states where it seems that (at least for now) the traditional, Constitutional rights of Americans will be protected.
Looks like the Colorado/Wyoming line could actually represent a new kind of “Mason-Dixon” line in the coming struggle for American freedom….
I know just how you feel. Utah or Wyoming at least are close by, and they both have better economies.
“I live in Maryland and we are fighting hard, but we have 51 gun bill coming up to try to defeat.”
With all due respect, you’re going to lose that one and lose badly.
Maryland is near the top of the heap for being “the bluest of the blue”.
The gun-grab legislation has passed one house of the MD legislature.
The governor says he’ll sign.
The other house is overwhelmingly ‘rat.
Who’s going to win there?
What are the chances the Governor will sign this?
What are the chances there will be political fallout?
Californians have invaded Colorado and they did Oregon and as New Yorkers destroyed New Jersey, New Hampshire and Vermont and are working on Florida.
Negative commentary is destructive to our cause.
Soldiers in wars past were NOT made discouraged by their commanders as they engaged in a war with their enemy. Soldiers going into battle were NOT told that “all is lost”, but get your azz out there and fight.
We the People do understand what we are up against. Understand it and get up and get out and fight it in any way you can. Join forces with like minded people, i.e. www.oathkeepers.org, and share ideas and plans, strategy, in confidence, their organization making this all possible by the contacts you will make in your area of like minded people who believe as you do. Join Tea Party groups like Tea Party Patriots, as one example, and work together with them to search for and support true Conservative candidates for the elections. Support them in any way you can and be there when they need your presence.
Be the FREEDOM FIGHTER OF TODAY. Google freedom fighter and learn who they were, what they did in wars past, and how they did it. It will be up to us to refuse, delay, obstruct, sabotage obozo’s attempts to destroy the Constitution, our liberty, freedom, RIGHTS.
EVERYONE: STOP THE NEGATIVE COMMENTARY. Less talk, more action. Learn what you can from FR and other sources, and then get out there and JOIN UP! with other like minded people and put your energies into a POSITIVE effort....WIN this damn war. Be POSITIVE, NOT negative.
Nobody NEEDS a high capacity printing press.
It happened because four rich democRATS made it a priority to turn it dem by getting the cities to out vote the countryside.
That’s How Fidel Cuomo and the democRATS get elected in NY,
These laws are about pushing conservatives out of colorado.
The liability law is preempted by federal law. They know this.
They don’t want conservatives, republican etc. in colorado. Only zombie and low information democrats are allowed.
California part deux.
It's a damn shame. I was born, raised and spent the first 34 years of my life in Colorado. A decade ago I relocated to Florida, courtesy of Uncle Sam. Now when I return home to visit, I barely recognize the place --or the people anymore.
With the exception of the People's Republic of Denver and Boulder, Colorado always had strong libertarian leanings. They may have liked their weed but they liked their guns too. I hope there's a serious voter backlash and the liberals who rammed this crap through the legislature so fast it left heads spinning soon find themselves unemployed.
YOU GO, MARYLAND!!! You are brave and true Patriots in a state enveloped by the socialists, and you ARE FIGHTERS!!
LISTEN UP EVERYONE: Listen to those freedom fighters in Maryland, in Illinois, in Missouri, in upstate New York,etc.
THESE BRAVE MEN AND WOMEN ARE F-I-G-H-T-I-NG AGAINST SOCIALIST POLITICIANS. They ARE standing their ground and they will not play nice with the left...by any and all means. They are applying Saul Alinsky’s Rules for Radicals AGAINST the left by any and all means. Turn the tables on these basta*ds. I don’t have the link, but during the Albany, NY anti-gun rally recently, obozo’s SEIU thugs were set to be bussed up to Albany, NY to show force for anti-gun control. Well, God bless the men and women of upstate NY, they gathered together over 6,000 men and women and were set to attend this rally IN SUPPORT OF THE GOD GIVEN RIGHT TO OWN AND BEAR ARMS. And they were going to do it PEACEFULLY, using the tactics of socialist Saul Alinsky’s Rules for Radicals AGAINST THESE SEIU THUGS. The ideas they had on how to do this were BRILLANT. The end result was that Cuomo called off the SEIU thugs and the pro-gun rally went of without a hitch. THE LEFT BACKED DOWN because Cuono feared violence would erupt because of the huge number of PATRIOTS who would be coming to the rally. I will post the link to this particular article on FR, and I apologize for not having in in hand b/4 writing this post.
READ THE ARTICLE, LEARN THE TACTICS AND APPLY THEM. STOP WITH THE NEGATIVE COMMENTARY, AND BE FREEDOM FIGHTERS WHO FIGHT. The link to the Albany, NY article will follow.
May God bless us all in this fight for OUR LIVES!
Yep, I am starting a firearms magazine business and come July 1st (active date of this legislation) I will be operating out of Cheyenne. Likely will move to Wyoming next summer as well.
These laws are about pushing conservatives out of colorado.
The liability law is preempted by federal law. They know this.
They don’t want conservatives, republican etc. in colorado. Only zombie and low information democrats are allowed.
California part deux.
That is everywhere. Rich Demcrats and the DNC are coluding to make only city votes count in elections.
Proportionate voting by county would kill off the democrat party.
There is no doubt the Governor will sign it, but that doesn’t end it. We will have a referendum on it, and with the help of God will beat it yet.
I guess I'll sit behind my keyboard and whine from now on, then.
http://www.freerepublic.com/f-news/2990659/posts “Is this even legal? OBAMA to bus people in to protest NRA in Albany. (This is a big deal)
Read the article, particularly post#22, and apply what you learn. C’mon, Colorado, work smart, join up with like-minded people like the www.NRA.com, www.oathkeepers.org and the Tea Party groups, i.e. Tea Party Patriots. Learn how to turn the tables on the left, refuse, delay, obstruct, sabotage the left in any way you can. You ARE the freedom fighters of this war...organize, and be brave and fight...let the example of other socialist-oppressed states be your guide. GO, COLORADO, GO!
Is it time yet, Claire...?
Many, many years ago while I was young and naive, I was extremely active in local, state and national politics and government. As time went on and I was present in many public meetings ranging from local to state level, I started to notice that no matter what the populace stood for against an unfair or unlawful regulation or bill that was before the council or presenters of said bill or reg, the measure ALWAYS PASSED without fail.
In some rare cases the bills or regulations were compromised to appease some of the protesters but in all cases once again, the next time it was presented (and in all cases they are presented for as many times as needed to guarantee passage.....and they do! It never failed to do so.
Standing with others in a meeting whining about the rule, regulation or law simply is foolish for the reasons presented above.
GO OUTSIDE AND EDUCATE THE PUBLIC as to the damage to our freedoms and quality of life these politicians are causing. SPEND YOUR TIME TRYING TO GET THEM VOTED OUT OF OFFICE, not just standing and let them subconsciously laugh at you for being such a fool as to believe that public forum or meeting designed to appease the crowds before the bill they protest is voted into law regardless.
The older I got, the wiser I got and attacking the individual is the only way to affect change...not standing there complaining about what they are doing to enrich themselves or to expand their power.
I would guess that I’ve been to over 75 public meetings put on as “dog and pony shows” to fool the people into thinking they have some type of input. Not once, have I ever seen any change take place in the original intent of the bill or law.
Look at Obama. He is the master at making public meetings concerning new laws and regulations. Hell, he even uses a backdrop of little children, old people, police and firemen (excuse me...firepersons.) Have you seen anyone, group or political force ever even listened to by him? That’s right....NO! The same applies on every level of government.
Apparently they’re not interested in taking my bolt action deer rifle or my lever action varmint rifle. Big mistake!
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