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Cholesterol limits lose their lustre
Nature News ^ | 26 February 2013 | Heidi Ledford

Posted on 03/02/2013 10:24:14 PM PST by neverdem

Revised guidelines for heart health are set to move away from target-based approach.

Soon after Joseph Francis learned that his levels of ‘bad’ LDL cholesterol sat at twice the norm, he discovered the short­comings of cholesterol-lowering drugs — and of the clinical advice guiding their use. Francis, the director of clinical analysis and reporting at the Veterans Health Administration (VA) in Washington DC, started taking Lipitor (atorvastatin), a cholesterol-lowering statin and the best-selling drug in pharmaceutical history. His LDL plummeted, but still hovered just above a target mandated by clinical guidelines. Adding other medications had no effect, and upping the dose of Lipitor made his muscles hurt — a rare side effect of statins, which can cause muscle breakdown.

So Francis pulled back to moderate Lipitor doses and decided that he could live with his high cholesterol. Later, he learned that other patients were being aggressively treated by doctors chasing stringent LDL targets. But Francis found the science behind the target guidelines to be surprisingly ambiguous. “You couldn’t necessarily say lowering LDL further was going to benefit the patient,” he says.

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Clinical trials have shown repeatedly that statins reduce the risk of heart attack and stroke, but lowering LDL with other medications does not work as well. The benefits of statins may reflect their other effects on the body, including fighting inflammation, another risk factor for heart disease.

Krumholz’s scepticism is rooted in experience. In 2008 and 2010, the Action to Control Cardiovascular Risk in Diabetes (ACCORD) clinical trial challenged dogma when it reported that lowering blood pressure or blood sugar to prespecified targets did not reduce the risk of heart attack or stroke. In the case of blood sugar, the risks were worsened...

(Excerpt) Read more at nature.com ...


TOPICS: Health/Medicine
KEYWORDS: cad; chd; cholesterol; inflammation; ldl; ldlcholesterol; niacin; niacinamide; nicotinamide; nicotinicacid; statins; vitaminb3; vitb3
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1 posted on 03/02/2013 10:24:28 PM PST by neverdem
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To: neverdem
The experience described with Lipitor, ambiguous science ,ambiguous results, promoted as panacea is the modus operandi of the pharmaceutical industry. The only ones getting "healthy" are the shareholders.
2 posted on 03/02/2013 10:32:03 PM PST by lbryce (BHO:"Now, I am become Death, the destroyer of worlds by way Oppenheiner at Trinity NM)
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To: neverdem

Every statin gives me muscle aches.

So my doctor has me on niacin...


3 posted on 03/02/2013 10:37:30 PM PST by null and void (Gun confiscation enables tyranny. Don't enable tyranny.)
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4 posted on 03/02/2013 10:49:06 PM PST by neverdem ( Xin loi min oi)
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To: null and void

The straight stuff or the timed-release?

Last time I bought niacin I had to go to THREE different drug stores before I found the real nicotinic acid, plain vanilla flush-yur-brains out niacin.

All the other stuff was either the niacinamide no-flush or the timed-release type.

I take about 500 mg a day just to warm me up a bit.


5 posted on 03/02/2013 10:49:10 PM PST by djf (I don't want to be safe. I want to be FREE!)
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To: neverdem

statins are nasty drugs that frankly should never have been approved for any medical use.


6 posted on 03/02/2013 10:51:20 PM PST by Nifster
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To: djf

Straight stuff, 2 grams a day.


7 posted on 03/02/2013 10:52:34 PM PST by null and void (Gun confiscation enables tyranny. Don't enable tyranny.)
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To: neverdem

A gazillion words and the article doesn’t says what the new guidelines will be.


8 posted on 03/02/2013 10:59:26 PM PST by chessplayer
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To: null and void

Yikes!
What’s yur blood pressure drop to?

Like 20/10 or so? That’s just a few points above dead!

;-)

I remember one time it had been about a month I was out so got some at the health food store, and sitting in my car, I took 1000 mgs.
Practically passed out in my front seat!


9 posted on 03/02/2013 11:01:46 PM PST by djf (I don't want to be safe. I want to be FREE!)
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To: neverdem; All

I am a retired widow. Recently I had a cholesterol reading of 250 and the doctor suggested I might want to consider lipitor. Since I am only about 20 lbs. above my ideal weight and look about 10 to 15 years younger than my age, have no aches and pains, adequate energy and enthusiasm, I declined. I also felt that since my grandfather lived to 98, his sister to 103, and my parents to 90, and most of their siblings to close to that age, I refuse to worry so long as I eat sensibly, take my vitamins and minerals and essential fatty acids and get some exercise regularly. I wonder if any studies have been done on the cholesterol levels of people who live to their eighties and above.


10 posted on 03/02/2013 11:04:23 PM PST by gleeaikin
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To: null and void

Look into systemic enzymes. Best supplement to prevent fibrosis and thus, cardiovascular disease, among others. No level of overdose toxicity. Only caveat, is when taking blood thinners. Mainly due to the fact that you will tend to need less blood thinner to reach desired protine levels. As for niacin, Natrol NiacinTR 500 works well.

In great health


11 posted on 03/02/2013 11:13:28 PM PST by mazz44
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To: gleeaikin

Actually, studies have shown that the longest living people on the planet, when they pass, their cholesterol level is around 250.


12 posted on 03/02/2013 11:16:01 PM PST by mazz44
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To: lbryce

Bingo!! Wise observation!

In great Health,


13 posted on 03/02/2013 11:20:27 PM PST by mazz44
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To: lbryce

It’s really science as a whole these days. They’re very quick to latch onto something, but way too slow to let it go. Consider the brontosaurus. We’ve known since the 1950’s that they didn’t really exists, but they can still be found in text books and museums today.


14 posted on 03/02/2013 11:38:57 PM PST by youngidiot (God help us.)
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To: chessplayer

Don’t worry. The guidelines are whatever the drug company reps tell doctors they are.


15 posted on 03/02/2013 11:39:09 PM PST by nickcarraway
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To: neverdem

Not including water, over half the brain is cholesterol.

Only 1/5 of cholesterol is from diet.

Foods with cholesterol in them are delicious.

Anything I missed?


16 posted on 03/02/2013 11:39:32 PM PST by Born to Conserve
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To: neverdem
couple of recent things.
Statins reduce heart attacks from 1 in 6 to 1 in 7....not worth the effort. I stopped taking the statins. I now take Niacin.
Statins have a better record post heart attack

VAP test is better at determining size(smaller is better) of LDL particles, which seems to matter most regarding determining risk of heart attack.

17 posted on 03/02/2013 11:44:40 PM PST by stylin19a
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To: stylin19a

Even better, as an indicator is inflammation and fibrinogen. All disease follows the path below,

1. Inflammation
2. Fibrosis
3. Enduration (organ Failure)
4. death

Stop the perpetual cascade of inflammation, thus preventing fibrosis and you prevent disease before it kills you. The only natural substances capable of doing such are systemic enzymes. They are different than digestive enzymes. Our bodies have a finite number of them and you cannot get them from food. By taking them as a supplement you save the number of those remaining in which God has granted you.

In great Health,


18 posted on 03/02/2013 11:53:39 PM PST by mazz44
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To: mazz44

Heart Surgeon Speaks Out On What Really Causes Heart Disease
Dr. Dwight Lundell
Prevent Disease
Thu, 01 Mar 2012 21:58 CST

We physicians with all our training, knowledge and authority often acquire a rather large ego that tends to make it difficult to admit we are wrong. So, here it is. I freely admit to being wrong. As a heart surgeon with 25 years experience, having performed over 5,000 open-heart surgeries, today is my day to right the wrong with medical and scientific fact.

I trained for many years with other prominent physicians labelled “opinion makers.” Bombarded with scientific literature, continually attending education seminars, we opinion makers insisted heart disease resulted from the simple fact of elevated blood cholesterol.

The only accepted therapy was prescribing medications to lower cholesterol and a diet that severely restricted fat intake. The latter of course we insisted would lower cholesterol and heart disease. Deviations from these recommendations were considered heresy and could quite possibly result in malpractice.

It Is Not Working!

These recommendations are no longer scientifically or morally defensible. The discovery a few years ago that inflammation in the artery wall is the real cause of heart disease is slowly leading to a paradigm shift in how heart disease and other chronic ailments will be treated.

The long-established dietary recommendations have created epidemics of obesity and diabetes, the consequences of which dwarf any historical plague in terms of mortality, human suffering and dire economic consequences.

Despite the fact that 25% of the population takes expensive statin medications and despite the fact we have reduced the fat content of our diets, more Americans will die this year of heart disease than ever before.

Statistics from the American Heart Association show that 75 million Americans currently suffer from heart disease, 20 million have diabetes and 57 million have pre-diabetes. These disorders are affecting younger and younger people in greater numbers every year.

Simply stated, without inflammation being present in the body, there is no way that cholesterol would accumulate in the wall of the blood vessel and cause heart disease and strokes. Without inflammation, cholesterol would move freely throughout the body as nature intended. It is inflammation that causes cholesterol to become trapped.

Inflammation is not complicated — it is quite simply your body’s natural defense to a foreign invader such as a bacteria, toxin or virus. The cycle of inflammation is perfect in how it protects your body from these bacterial and viral invaders. However, if we chronically expose the body to injury by toxins or foods the human body was never designed to process, a condition occurs called chronic inflammation. Chronic inflammation is just as harmful as acute inflammation is beneficial.

What thoughtful person would willfully expose himself repeatedly to foods or other substances that are known to cause injury to the body? Well, smokers perhaps, but at least they made that choice willfully.

The rest of us have simply followed the recommended mainstream diet that is low in fat and high in polyunsaturated fats and carbohydrates, not knowing we were causing repeated injury to our blood vessels. This repeated injury creates chronic inflammation leading to heart disease, stroke, diabetes and obesity.

Let me repeat that: The injury and inflammation in our blood vessels is caused by the low fat diet recommended for years by mainstream medicine.

What are the biggest culprits of chronic inflammation? Quite simply, they are the overload of simple, highly processed carbohydrates (sugar, flour and all the products made from them) and the excess consumption of omega-6 vegetable oils like soybean, corn and sunflower that are found in many processed foods.

Take a moment to visualize rubbing a stiff brush repeatedly over soft skin until it becomes quite red and nearly bleeding. you kept this up several times a day, every day for five years. If you could tolerate this painful brushing, you would have a bleeding, swollen infected area that became worse with each repeated injury. This is a good way to visualize the inflammatory process that could be going on in your body right now.

Regardless of where the inflammatory process occurs, externally or internally, it is the same. I have peered inside thousands upon thousands of arteries. A diseased artery looks as if someone took a brush and scrubbed repeatedly against its wall. Several times a day, every day, the foods we eat create small injuries compounding into more injuries, causing the body to respond continuously and appropriately with inflammation.

While we savor the tantalizing taste of a sweet roll, our bodies respond alarmingly as if a foreign invader arrived declaring war. Foods loaded with sugars and simple carbohydrates, or processed with omega-6 oils for long shelf life have been the mainstay of the American diet for six decades. These foods have been slowly poisoning everyone.

How does eating a simple sweet roll create a cascade of inflammation to make you sick?

Imagine spilling syrup on your keyboard and you have a visual of what occurs inside the cell. When we consume simple carbohydrates such as sugar, blood sugar rises rapidly. In response, your pancreas secretes insulin whose primary purpose is to drive sugar into each cell where it is stored for energy. If the cell is full and does not need glucose, it is rejected to avoid extra sugar gumming up the works.

When your full cells reject the extra glucose, blood sugar rises producing more insulin and the glucose converts to stored fat.

What does all this have to do with inflammation? Blood sugar is controlled in a very narrow range. Extra sugar molecules attach to a variety of proteins that in turn injure the blood vessel wall. This repeated injury to the blood vessel wall sets off inflammation. When you spike your blood sugar level several times a day, every day, it is exactly like taking sandpaper to the inside of your delicate blood vessels.

While you may not be able to see it, rest assured it is there. I saw it in over 5,000 surgical patients spanning 25 years who all shared one common denominator — inflammation in their arteries.

Let’s get back to the sweet roll. That innocent looking goody not only contains sugars, it is baked in one of many omega-6 oils such as soybean. Chips and fries are soaked in soybean oil; processed foods are manufactured with omega-6 oils for longer shelf life. While omega-6’s are essential -they are part of every cell membrane controlling what goes in and out of the cell — they must be in the correct balance with omega-3’s.

If the balance shifts by consuming excessive omega-6, the cell membrane produces chemicals called cytokines that directly cause inflammation.

Today’s mainstream American diet has produced an extreme imbalance of these two fats. The ratio of imbalance ranges from 15:1 to as high as 30:1 in favor of omega-6. That’s a tremendous amount of cytokines causing inflammation. In today’s food environment, a 3:1 ratio would be optimal and healthy.

To make matters worse, the excess weight you are carrying from eating these foods creates overloaded fat cells that pour out large quantities of pro-inflammatory chemicals that add to the injury caused by having high blood sugar. The process that began with a sweet roll turns into a vicious cycle over time that creates heart disease, high blood pressure, diabetes and finally, Alzheimer’s disease, as the inflammatory process continues unabated.

There is no escaping the fact that the more we consume prepared and processed foods, the more we trip the inflammation switch little by little each day. The human body cannot process, nor was it designed to consume, foods packed with sugars and soaked in omega-6 oils.

There is but one answer to quieting inflammation, and that is returning to foods closer to their natural state. To build muscle, eat more protein. Choose carbohydrates that are very complex such as colorful fruits and vegetables. Cut down on or eliminate inflammation- causing omega-6 fats like corn and soybean oil and the processed foods that are made from them.

One tablespoon of corn oil contains 7,280 mg of omega-6; soybean contains 6,940 mg. Instead, use olive oil or butter from grass-fed beef.

Animal fats contain less than 20% omega-6 and are much less likely to cause inflammation than the supposedly healthy oils labeled polyunsaturated. Forget the “science” that has been drummed into your head for decades. The science that saturated fat alone causes heart disease is non-existent. The science that saturated fat raises blood cholesterol is also very weak. Since we now know that cholesterol is not the cause of heart disease, the concern about saturated fat is even more absurd today.

The cholesterol theory led to the no-fat, low-fat recommendations that in turn created the very foods now causing an epidemic of inflammation. Mainstream medicine made a terrible mistake when it advised people to avoid saturated fat in favor of foods high in omega-6 fats. We now have an epidemic of arterial inflammation leading to heart disease and other silent killers.

What you can do is choose whole foods your grandmother served and not those your mom turned to as grocery store aisles filled with manufactured foods. By eliminating inflammatory foods and adding essential nutrients from fresh unprocessed food, you will reverse years of damage in your arteries and throughout your body from consuming the typical American diet.

Reader Comments Damage Control Freaks By: bluenorther I hope that within twenty years, coronary bypass surgery will be as discredited as pre-frontal lobotomies.
This article follows exactly what Gary Taubes has written in “Why We Get Fat”.
I had a six-tuple bypass operation to save my useless life, two years ago. It was the worst experience anyone could endure; I would never inflict it on anyone I care about. From what I’ve read, I seem to have got off easy compared to other people’s experiences!
The doctors can’t honestly tell us how bad it will be, because we’d all opt out.
What infuriates me is the total lack of effort made by my doctors to investigate WHY I ended up on their operating table. All of my friends and family are mystified, asking how this happened. In fact, I would have died in a few more days. I don’t smoke, I’m not overweight, and I exercise enough to kill most ordinary people.

All the doctors have done is prescribe meds that don’t work, and then get angry when I won’t take them. I haven’t seen a single blood test result that might give me a clue


19 posted on 03/03/2013 12:46:50 AM PST by saintgermaine
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To: gleeaikin

You need to know your HDL in order to make a decision on statins.
I have elevated LDL, but I also have very elevated HDL, the good cholesterol. Supposedly the HDL helps to offset the LDL.
I also have always had perfect BP. I am now 67.
I take no medications for anything.
Yes, I know that I could drop dead at any moment :P


20 posted on 03/03/2013 12:57:08 AM PST by AlexW
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To: nickcarraway

‘_______the drug company reps tell doctors they are.’

Bingo


21 posted on 03/03/2013 2:38:17 AM PST by USARightSide (S U P P O R T I N G OUR T R O O P S)
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To: saintgermaine

Wow, that is a great post.

I do not have Celiac disease, but I have more than a few autoimmune problems that are intensified whenever I eat gluten. My rheumatologist insists that bread has nothing to do with it, but my body says otherwise. Good thing I don’t lsten to her.


22 posted on 03/03/2013 3:08:19 AM PST by EnquiringMind (th)
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To: saintgermaine

Wow, that is a great post.

I do not have Celiac disease, but I have more than a few autoimmune problems that are intensified whenever I eat gluten. My rheumatologist insists that bread has nothing to do with it, but my body says otherwise. Good thing I don’t lsten to her.


23 posted on 03/03/2013 3:08:19 AM PST by EnquiringMind
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To: saintgermaine

Wow, that is a great post.

I do not have Celiac disease, but I have more than a few autoimmune problems that are intensified whenever I eat gluten. My rheumatologist insists that bread has nothing to do with it, but my body says otherwise. Good thing I don’t lsten to her.


24 posted on 03/03/2013 3:08:29 AM PST by EnquiringMind
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To: EnquiringMind

I thought I hit “post” just once....sorry!


25 posted on 03/03/2013 3:10:03 AM PST by EnquiringMind
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To: djf

Good place to get niacin that gives you a flush >>>> http://www.swansonvitamins.com/swanson-premium-niacin-vitamin-b-3-500-mg-250-caps They have good prices mail order vitamins

You get a bigger flush if you take it every other day


26 posted on 03/03/2013 3:32:36 AM PST by dennisw (too much of a good thing is a bad thing --- Joe Pine)
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To: saintgermaine

http://www.sott.net/article/242516-Heart-Surgeon-Speaks-Out-On-What-Really-Causes-Heart-Disease

THANKS!! I have forwarded this to few people. 95% of the time I am not eating the junk he mentions. I never eat doughnuts or sweet rolls. I can guess what a sweet roll is but never touch them or it. A cinnamon bun I suppose

Oil laden fried junk chips and cheeses doodles in cellophane bags and lil Debby pies? Never ..... potato chips a few times a year


27 posted on 03/03/2013 4:14:21 AM PST by dennisw (too much of a good thing is a bad thing --- Joe Pine)
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To: lbryce

I worked in the Pharma industry for a number of years, both as a rep and manager and sold statins. We had to learn about these drugs inside and out as managers and from that experience I can tell you that I will NEVER take statins... body and bone aches, rhabdomylosis, liver damage all are real possibilities.

No one talks about deaths caused by the most popular statins on the market, but they are there.

Additionally, there are numerous studies that show that low cholesterol levels can affect the production and repair of the myelin sheaths around nerve fibers... so one has to wonder if the guideline suggested by Big Pharma and adopted by doctors to get cholesterol levels below 100 can lead to other issues like dementia and Alzheimers?


28 posted on 03/03/2013 4:17:05 AM PST by headbegger
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To: lbryce

I worked in the Pharma industry for a number of years, both as a rep and manager and sold statins. We had to learn about these drugs inside and out as managers and from that experience I can tell you that I will NEVER take statins... body and bone aches, rhabdomylosis, liver damage all are real possibilities.

No one talks about deaths caused by the most popular statins on the market, but they are there.

Additionally, there are numerous studies that show that low cholesterol levels can affect the production and repair of the myelin sheaths around nerve fibers... so one has to wonder if the guideline suggested by Big Pharma and adopted by doctors to get cholesterol levels below 100 can lead to other issues like dementia and Alzheimers?


29 posted on 03/03/2013 4:17:25 AM PST by headbegger
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To: lbryce

I worked in the Pharma industry for a number of years, both as a rep and manager and sold statins. We had to learn about these drugs inside and out as managers and from that experience I can tell you that I will NEVER take statins... body and bone aches, rhabdomylosis, liver damage all are real possibilities.

No one talks about deaths caused by the most popular statins on the market, but they are there.

Additionally, there are numerous studies that show that low cholesterol levels can affect the production and repair of the myelin sheaths around nerve fibers... so one has to wonder if the guideline suggested by Big Pharma and adopted by doctors to get cholesterol levels below 100 can lead to other issues like dementia and Alzheimers?


30 posted on 03/03/2013 4:17:53 AM PST by headbegger
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To: headbegger

Sorry about the triple post. Computer got stuck.


31 posted on 03/03/2013 4:20:43 AM PST by headbegger
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To: null and void

How is the niacin given?


32 posted on 03/03/2013 4:44:27 AM PST by bert ((K.E. N.P. N.C. +12 .....The fairest Deduction to be reduced is the Standard Deduction)
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To: neverdem

The whole cholesterol issue is BS to begin with full of disinformation i.e.just another scam to get you to take unnecessary medication whose side affects should scare the hell out of anyone. It’s all about your genes and everyone is different.


33 posted on 03/03/2013 4:49:31 AM PST by maddog55 (America Rising.... Civil War II)
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To: null and void
Just take a good multi vitamin and go for a brisk walk everyday.

I use the convenience and safety of our neighborhood stores for walking.

34 posted on 03/03/2013 4:58:32 AM PST by Sacajaweau
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To: null and void

Too much niacin can also cause a feeling of tightening of the chest. Statins may have too many downsides, but people believe in them.


35 posted on 03/03/2013 5:23:02 AM PST by Theodore R. ("Hey, the American people must all be crazy out there!")
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To: AlexW

It seems that LDLs come in about 5 different densities. Even within LDLs there are smaller denser versions and larger fluffier ones. If your LDLs are low, but almost all of the smaller, denser types, that can still be dangerous. These can get trapped in lesions in the blood vessels caused by inflammation largely as a result of things like wheat/gluten, thus causing plaque in the vessels.

On the other hand the larger fluffier type, tend to not cause plaque beacuse they pass through the blood vessels. A higher LDL count if it’s mostly this sort is not an issue. Most cholesteterol tests don’t test for the diiferent types of LDL and are purely a calculated figure rather than several measured ones. You have to ask for that specifically.

My overall cholesterol would be considered high, however ny doctor in South Africa is happy with the component parts, ie high HDL with low triglycerides, LDL irrelevant because it doesn’t split the diiferent types. Next time I have a test done, I’ll ask him to get the full details - dependant on costs.


37 posted on 03/03/2013 5:36:01 AM PST by Diapason
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To: saintgermaine

Excellent read. Thank you posting.


38 posted on 03/03/2013 5:42:12 AM PST by poobear (Socialism in the minds of the elites, is a con-game for the serfs, nothing more.)
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To: neverdem

Is there any evidence anywhere that high cholesterol causes heart attacks? Is it true that 50% of all heart attack victims have “normal” cholesterol levels?


39 posted on 03/03/2013 5:47:09 AM PST by csmusaret (I will give Obama credit for one thing- he is living proof that familiarity breeds contempt.)
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To: neverdem

My Cholesterol is about 250 and hasn’t changed in years. The ratio of HDL to LDL is something horrific as well. I have had every non-invasive heart test I can think of - and every comment (especially the sonograms) have stated “very minimal signs of plaque”. I am 62.

I have passed the stress tests, nuclear stress test, and all that as well.

Yet my doctor, for some reason thinks it is important to get the cholesterol down to “target”. I won’t take the medicine due to the side effects.

My Mother had bypass surgery at 70. They put her on Lipitor. I went to visit one day and she could not move due to the muscle pain - she was 75 then. I went with her to the doctor and questioned the need at that age to do what he was doing. He insisted she stay on them - at a reduced dosage and Mom went along. She died at 80 - still with muscle pain so she couldn’t exercise. I believe to this day she died because she couldn’t move anymore.

Doctors don’t know all the answers and in fact in many cases what they say is at best a guess. I listen with half an ear, then research, then decide. The doc doesn’t like it, but since I am the one paying the bills I guess he has no choice!


40 posted on 03/03/2013 6:03:44 AM PST by msrngtp2002 (Just my opinion.)
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To: saintgermaine

This article is spot on science. I have preached this same for the last 5 years, but the high carb nuts say no, we need carbs for endurance energy. The same with the stupid vegetarians.


41 posted on 03/03/2013 6:13:38 AM PST by Neoliberalnot (Marxism works well only with the uneducated and the unarmed.)
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To: saintgermaine

This article is spot on science. I have preached this same for the last 5 years, but the high carb nuts say no, we need carbs for endurance energy. The same with the stupid vegetarians.


42 posted on 03/03/2013 6:13:38 AM PST by Neoliberalnot (Marxism works well only with the uneducated and the unarmed.)
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To: neverdem

Thanks for posting this. Had a quad bypass in February 09. Docs put me on Lipitor and the side effects were terrible with leg cramps and shortness of breath etc. So then they put me on Crestor. Tried that for a few weeks with all the same problems. So I just quit using the crap.


43 posted on 03/03/2013 6:29:17 AM PST by Utah Binger (Southern Utah Mood is Fine Art)
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To: saintgermaine
Saint,

The article you support on Dr. Lundell needs a disclaimer. From 2000 to 2008 Lundell had various violations of medical practice in Arizona ultimately leading to the loss of his ability to do surgery at Banner Desert Medical Hospital and the loss of his medical license. In 1990 Lundell filed for bankruptcy with a 20 million dollar judgment against him and also filed again for bankruptcy in 2005. He claimed no revenue for 2004/2005 and in 2004 plead guilty for failure to file income tax.

44 posted on 03/03/2013 6:51:03 AM PST by tongass kid
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To: bert

Take it orally, usually in tablet form.


45 posted on 03/03/2013 7:37:46 AM PST by Neoliberalnot (Marxism works well only with the uneducated and the unarmed.)
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To: neverdem

Eggs are a staple of my diet....IMHO, you cannot eat too many eggs, although I do limit the yoiks, because of calorie count...but eat as much egg whites as you want.


46 posted on 03/03/2013 7:45:43 AM PST by dfwgator
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To: neverdem

Thank you very much for posting these interesting articles!


47 posted on 03/03/2013 7:50:46 AM PST by Silentgypsy (Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch. Liberty is a well-armed lamb .)
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To: tongass kid

Good post. Thanks.


48 posted on 03/03/2013 7:53:56 AM PST by Mr Rogers (America is becoming California, and California is becoming Detroit. Detroit is already hell.)
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To: mazz44
Actually, studies have shown that the longest living people on the planet, when they pass, their cholesterol level is around 250.

I remember seeing an article by a doctor who had performed thousands of cardiovascular surgeries. He stated that every single patient suffered from inflammation of the vessels and opined that absent the inflammation, no elevated level of colesterol would be problematic. Cure the inflammation, and the colesterol would freely flow.

ps - curing the inflamation is done through diet - processed flower is the #1 killer. If everyone's diets were predominently whole foods, we wouldn't have but a tiny fraction of the problems we have today.

49 posted on 03/03/2013 7:59:23 AM PST by Go Gordon (Barack McGreevey Obama)
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To: neverdem

Cholesterol is not a disease, and God did not make ‘bad’ cholesterol. The statin drugs are poison, and their being allowed on the market is evidence of the evil link between the FDA and the drug companies.

A cholesterol level of 250 is much more healthy than one of 150. The liver makes cholesterol because all cells require it, and especially the brain. Statin drugs cause Alzheimer’s symptoms in many. Statin drugs weaken the heart muscle. Statin drugs are deadly.


50 posted on 03/03/2013 8:17:25 AM PST by GGpaX4DumpedTea (I am a Tea Party descendant...steeped in the Constitutional Republic given to us by the Founders.)
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