Skip to comments.Hagel Approved for Defense in Sharply Split Senate Vote
Posted on 02/26/2013 6:28:54 PM PST by South40
WASHINGTON The Senate confirmed Chuck Hagel as defense secretary on Tuesday after he survived a bruising struggle with Republicans, while President Obamas nominee to be Treasury secretary moved closer to approval with bipartisan support. The votes suggested that the Republican blockade against the administrations second-term nominees was beginning to ease.
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He got just enough votes from Republicans to make try and make it look like their is not one party in in the United State Senate with just a few exceptions. McCain is a Democrat and no one can tell me he is not playing for the other side.
McCain was probably his biggest cheerleader.
Rand Paul voted for him....
The more we see the Republicans concede, it's more clear there are two parties that are supporting the Obama agenda.
Now waiting on Republicans to support another tax increase. It's what Obama wants.
Paul’s vote floored me. It appears there is really no one left to trust. I don’t live anywhere near Kentucky, but I contributed to his campaign because I believed he really supported Tea Party principles. Suckered again.
We are living in very dark days now.....
Our country will never be the same...ever.
Several RINOs who voted to end debate also voted against confirmation. Call their office and complain of their vote and they will tell you they voted against it. Call supporting Hagel and they will proudly tell you they voted for him. Two faced bastards.
Don't feel bad my FRiend. We are all learning right now.
General note: we need to keep track of our so-called Republican senators and representatives. Their true character shows in numerous votes that never make it into the media.
Two Parties, The DemiCommunist and FasciRepublican parties using as much Federal power possible to extort.
“..................Paul spokeswoman Moira Bagley told Yahoo News. “As he has said before, the president should be entitled to some leeway on his political appointments. That is why Sen. Paul voted in favor of Sen. John Kerry, with whom he largely disagrees on foreign policy, to serve as secretary of state.........”
“The Senate voted 58-41 to confirm Hagel, ending a long and contentious nomination process. The other Republicans who supported Hagel were Sens. Thad Cochran of Mississippi, Mike Johanns of Nebraska and Richard Shelby of Alabama.”
This reminds me of the great “delusion” spoken of in scripture (2 Thes 2:11).....where people call evil good and good evil ....
Driving home tonight, CBS News radio said Hagel was “easily confirmed.” MSM needs to get its spin straight.
Re my post at #12. I do believe the younger Paul is just as unstable, and unpredictable, perhaps as nuts as the older Paul. He puts on a good show, and then runs over the cheering audience with a bulldozer.
“This reminds me of the great delusion spoken of in scripture...”
And that will usher in Matthew 24:37 - But as the days of Noah were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
What was it like in the days of Noah?
Genesis 6:5 - And God saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil.
They call it a “bruising struggle” and “a long and contentious nomination process.”
Nowhere do they mention a botched, inept, embarassing, sophmoric appearance before the vetting committee.
Just like the NYT’s coverage of Obama vs. the Republicans:
Draw attention only to the fact that there is opposition, never the reasons why there is opposition.
I see no reason not to agree.
Congress is totally corrupt...never trust or believe Politicians, especially Professional ones whoes's only employment is collecting tax payer money...
~ Larry Elder, "The Ten Things You Can't Say In America"
RINOs - still pretending they aren’t big government liberals.
But not fooling anyone but themselves.
The good Ol’ Boy Senate Club is more important to them than the defense of the country.
I just don’t think this matters much one way or the other.
This will only embolden the kenyan to nominate more buffoons. That the GOP allowed themselves to be so brazenly buffaloed is historic.
Dems would have never, ever have allowed a vote with Hagel still refusing to answer the questions asked by the committee. We are led by cheese eating surrender monkeys. Words fail me.
Patriots nationwide now have only one task.
Destroy the Republicrats and the apparatchiks in DC by any means necessary, and negate their ability to steal cash from the working man outside the Beltway via income tax withholding.
The Washingtonians must be neutralized.
Occasionally, I think that something the elder Paul said made sense, then the next minute he opens his mouth and spouts total craziness, i.e. America deserved 9/11 for "interfering in other countries!"
Rand's behavior is more misleading or is it merely "hopeful" as he was supported over more liberal opponent and spoke favorably on pro-life issues, unlike his father, also a physician but unwilling to lift a finger in support of slaughtered innocent babies.
I know of some pro-life folk who are total kooks on many issues and also liberal on issues like the Second Amendment, taxes and school choice but I'll never trust anyone that supports the slaughter of millions of babies, claiming freedom of the individual.
Nope, not only is Rand like his dad on other Libertiarian issues, he is also unsympathetic to Israel's right to exist against neighbors who desire their total destruction.
Man, I just laid into Richard Shelby’s ass with an e-mail that was a scorcher. I told him to man up and get the hell out of the Republican party and join his liberal friends. I told him he should open a spot for a real conservative. Lol, it was bad. He may put a hit on me so if I disappear you’ll all know what happened. Laughs. I’m sick of sleeper liberals popping up in the Republican party on crucial votes. I’m sad for my state because of the shame and embarrassment Shelby has caused with his treason. Shelby is a stinking politician and most likely was paid off to vote for Hagel. He will never ever get any respect from me again. I’m done with him.
There is lots to support your assertion, though another interpretation might be that the two parties have been cooperating for decades to support the assuption by most that the public has but two voices; sometimes one side prevails and sometimes the other.
After McCain's run in 2000 he was attacked by Democrats for lacking constitutional eligibility. He was defended by a Chicago law firm active on Obama’s campaign committee. When law suits were inconclusive, John Conyers two attempts to get an amendment to the Constitution in 2004 and 2005 failed, and amendment that would have made both McCain and Obama natural born citizens, and Congress couldn't resolve eligibility in his, McCain's, favor Obama and has campaign chair, Clare McCakill authored a bill in the Senate, SB 2678, in Feb 2008, the Children of Military Families Natural Born Citizen Act. Were McCain eligible the bill wouild have been redundant, and moot. It wasn't redundant, but failed to pass.
When SB 2678 failed, McCaskill, Clinton, Obama, Webb and Coburn and Pat Leahy filed Senate Resolution 511, again to support a claim of eligibility for McCain, though a resolution has no legal authority. It said, in effect, that because McCain's parents were citizens, it didn't matter that the Canal Zone was unincorporated territory in 1936. Legally, the 100% support for SR 511 was no surprise. They all agreed with Judge Michael Chertoff who said My assumption and my understanding is that if you are born of American parents, you are naturally a natural-born American citizen, Chertoff replied, and Obama concurred!
They needed McCain to run interference. With questions about his eligibility stifling any eligibility questions from the Republicans, Obama’s not have been born to citizen parents would never be raised. McCain was fully aware of questions about his status, and provided a birth certificate showing that he was born in Colon Hospital - definintely not sovereign territory. Whether the Colon birth certificate was legitimate, the Canal Zone was not sovereign US territory until 1937 when Congress acted to incorporate The Zone.
McCain's McCain-Feingold bill threw power to the media, already almost entirely liberal. We can't read his mind, but his actions got Obama elected, with the protection of the media that deployed the Alinsky rules to silence honest questions about the law. Progressives deployed masterful misdirection, for example by ridiculing “Birthers” with “Because natural born citizenship was not defined in The Constitution...” implying that therefore the "living Constitution" definition let them designate Obama, born British, a "natural born citizen", even when he himself was careful not to make that claim; he said "I am a native-born citizen of the US", which is the definition for a 14th Amendment citizen, whose parents, like those of slaves in 1866, were not citizens. Slaves were made naturalized citizens, native-born in the US, but not natural born citizen.
Few in our low-information society, apparently including Michael Chertoff, knew that there are not definitions of terms in the Constitution. The definition was cited as dictum in twenty five or so supreme Court cases, and as precedence in Minor v. Happersett, and has never been amended or reinterpreted, "born on our soil to parents who were its citizens."
Madison, among many of our framers, explained that the omission was deliberate. Time changes the meanings of words. The Constitution was built upon Natural Law, eternal law; for the document to retain eternal meaning the definitions must be construed from the language and law familiar to its framers.
McCain is more likely an example of a politician for whom there is no political doctrine, except perhaps self interest. Chuck Hagel is another “Republican” whose beliefs appear closer to those of the progressives than conservatives, which neither McCain nor Hagel represent. Unless someone talks we will never know whether McCain's actions were coerced (Keating Five anyone?) or whether he really is that much closer to George Soros than Sarah Palin. We do know that he does not honor, defend or protect the Constitution, as he has sworn to do many times as a Naval Officer and Congressman.
This isn't good. I'm sure Democrat Senators will confirm a future Republican president cabinet nominees
.......Our country will never be the same...ever.
I wonder whether instead of Obamaphones, we can all get a Rosetta Stone Farsi translation app on our iPhones???
Amen and pass the ammunition.
You are not alone:
"If you are faithful in little things, you will be faithful in large ones. But if you are dishonest in little things, you won't be honest with greater responsibilities." (Luke 16:10)
It is Orin Hatch logic.
Great synopsis of reality in the traitorous era we now live in.
They were probably bribed.
The vote was actually a lot closer than I was expecting. I’ve been of a mind the hold up on Hagel’s nom was always a bargaining chip to force Obama to release some information about Benghazi. Maybe that disastrous appearance by Chuck hurt him more than I’d reckoned.
So Chuck “Foster Brooks’’ Hagel is the new Sec. Def. Good lord.
We aren’t going to agree with every Senator on every issue, dammit.
Rand Paul is being dismissed on this board because of a single frickin’ vote.
Folks who do that are absurd. They’re content to forever pissed off, apparently.
Good luck getting a governing majority with that attitude.
Reasoning of four Republicans?
1. Obama was going to be mean to us if we didn’t act bipartisan
2. Obama promised us goodies if we acted bipartisan
3. Hagel has a Constitutional right to be stupid. Kerry said so.
4. We are RINOs. It’s what we do.
5. We have to prove we aren’t in the pocket of the Israeli Lobby.
6. The Oil Lobby said so.
7. The NY Times said so.
8. Hagel performed like a stumblebum. That proves he’s sincere.
9. We are almost as humble as the President, and only half as brave.
10. All of the above.
McCain voted NO just so you know
Sarah Palin will try to tell you that.
“Rand Paul is being dismissed on this board because of a single frickin vote.”
It’s not just any vote, it’s the top Defense job for this country.
I was vacillating with Rand Paul, wondering if he would be too much like his father. He’s scratched off my list as a viable candidate.
Rand Paul is a losertarian just like his father.
Rand Paul is now dead to me. There is no way anyone can justify allowing that POS Hagel to rule over our military.
He had the absolute worst and most ill-prepared confirmation hearing in our nation’s history and Rand Paul still confirmed him.
Rand Paul has easily and fully shown himself to be a political hack and an enemy of our nation’s military.
I don’t care what he says. I judge him based on his votes.
It is amusing to see the old time wisdom being applied here. “The apple doesn’t fall far from the tree.”
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