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Hagel Approved for Defense in Sharply Split Senate Vote
NYTimes ^ | 2/26/2013 | JEREMY W. PETERS

Posted on 02/26/2013 6:28:54 PM PST by South40

WASHINGTON — The Senate confirmed Chuck Hagel as defense secretary on Tuesday after he survived a bruising struggle with Republicans, while President Obama’s nominee to be Treasury secretary moved closer to approval with bipartisan support. The votes suggested that the Republican blockade against the administration’s second-term nominees was beginning to ease.

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1 posted on 02/26/2013 6:28:59 PM PST by South40
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To: South40

He got just enough votes from Republicans to make try and make it look like their is not one party in in the United State Senate with just a few exceptions. McCain is a Democrat and no one can tell me he is not playing for the other side.


2 posted on 02/26/2013 6:34:00 PM PST by bmwcyle (People who do not study history are destine to believe really ignorant statements.)
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To: bmwcyle

McCain was probably his biggest cheerleader.


3 posted on 02/26/2013 6:37:09 PM PST by South40
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To: South40

Rand Paul voted for him....


4 posted on 02/26/2013 6:39:27 PM PST by Faith65 (Jesus Christ is my Lord and Savior!)
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To: Faith65
...And Rand Paul proved to me he isn't what he's claimed to be.....

The more we see the Republicans concede, it's more clear there are two parties that are supporting the Obama agenda.

Now waiting on Republicans to support another tax increase. It's what Obama wants.

5 posted on 02/26/2013 6:52:08 PM PST by Rational Thought
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To: bmwcyle
McCain is a Democrat and no one can tell me he is not playing for the other side.

I think most of us realized that in his run for Prez in 2008, when McLame called out Bill Cunningham for using Hussein's name at a political event - McCain Apologizes Profusely for ‘Hussein Obama’ , and then later McCain warns supporters, calls Obama decent man

A DECENT MAN WOULD WANT TO DESTROY AND TRANSFORM AMERICA?
6 posted on 02/26/2013 6:55:22 PM PST by Cheerio (Barry Hussein Soetoro-0bama=The Complete Destruction of American Capitalism)
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To: Rational Thought

Paul’s vote floored me. It appears there is really no one left to trust. I don’t live anywhere near Kentucky, but I contributed to his campaign because I believed he really supported Tea Party principles. Suckered again.


7 posted on 02/26/2013 6:56:39 PM PST by Segovia
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To: Rational Thought

We are living in very dark days now.....

Our country will never be the same...ever.


8 posted on 02/26/2013 6:58:49 PM PST by Faith65 (Jesus Christ is my Lord and Savior!)
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To: South40

Several RINOs who voted to end debate also voted against confirmation. Call their office and complain of their vote and they will tell you they voted against it. Call supporting Hagel and they will proudly tell you they voted for him. Two faced bastards.


9 posted on 02/26/2013 6:59:02 PM PST by Blood of Tyrants (There is no requirement to show need in order to exercise your rights.)
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To: Segovia
Suckered again.

Don't feel bad my FRiend. We are all learning right now.

General note: we need to keep track of our so-called Republican senators and representatives. Their true character shows in numerous votes that never make it into the media.

10 posted on 02/26/2013 7:00:11 PM PST by ConservativeInPA (Molon Labe - Shall not be questioned)
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To: Rational Thought

Two Parties, The DemiCommunist and FasciRepublican parties using as much Federal power possible to extort.


11 posted on 02/26/2013 7:00:24 PM PST by Varsity Flight (Extortion-Care is the Government Work-Camp: Arbeitsziehungslager)
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To: bmwcyle

http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/ticket/why-rand-paul-voted-confirm-chuck-hagel-defense-232124614—politics.html

“..................Paul spokeswoman Moira Bagley told Yahoo News. “As he has said before, the president should be entitled to some leeway on his political appointments. That is why Sen. Paul voted in favor of Sen. John Kerry, with whom he largely disagrees on foreign policy, to serve as secretary of state.........”

“The Senate voted 58-41 to confirm Hagel, ending a long and contentious nomination process. The other Republicans who supported Hagel were Sens. Thad Cochran of Mississippi, Mike Johanns of Nebraska and Richard Shelby of Alabama.”


12 posted on 02/26/2013 7:07:04 PM PST by rockinqsranch (Dems, Libs, Socialists, call 'em what you will, they ALL have fairies livin' in their trees.)
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To: All; ConservativeInPA

This reminds me of the great “delusion” spoken of in scripture (2 Thes 2:11).....where people call evil good and good evil ....


13 posted on 02/26/2013 7:07:04 PM PST by Faith65 (Jesus Christ is my Lord and Savior!)
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To: South40

Driving home tonight, CBS News radio said Hagel was “easily confirmed.” MSM needs to get its spin straight.


14 posted on 02/26/2013 7:09:20 PM PST by WeatherGuy
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To: South40

Re my post at #12. I do believe the younger Paul is just as unstable, and unpredictable, perhaps as nuts as the older Paul. He puts on a good show, and then runs over the cheering audience with a bulldozer.


15 posted on 02/26/2013 7:14:19 PM PST by rockinqsranch (Dems, Libs, Socialists, call 'em what you will, they ALL have fairies livin' in their trees.)
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To: Faith65

“This reminds me of the great “delusion” spoken of in scripture...”

And that will usher in Matthew 24:37 - But as the days of Noah were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.

What was it like in the days of Noah?

Genesis 6:5 - And God saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil.


16 posted on 02/26/2013 7:16:46 PM PST by Amish with an attitude
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To: South40

They call it a “bruising struggle” and “a long and contentious nomination process.”

Nowhere do they mention a botched, inept, embarassing, sophmoric appearance before the vetting committee.

Just like the NYT’s coverage of Obama vs. the Republicans:

Draw attention only to the fact that there is opposition, never the reasons why there is opposition.

FUNYT


17 posted on 02/26/2013 7:17:17 PM PST by Chad N. Freud (FR is the modern equivalent of the Committees of Correspondence. Let other analogies arise.)
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To: Faith65
Our country will never be the same...ever

I see no reason not to agree.

18 posted on 02/26/2013 7:23:06 PM PST by ScottinVA (Gun control: Steady firm grip, target within sights, squeeze the trigger slowly...)
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To: South40
All members of Congress are a laughing stock...
they moan and groan then turn around and vote for the jerk and Hagel is a jerk...no more a Republican than Hussein the Evil one is..

Congress is totally corrupt...never trust or believe Politicians, especially Professional ones whoes's only employment is collecting tax payer money...

19 posted on 02/26/2013 7:25:02 PM PST by haircutter
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To: South40; bmwcyle; Rational Thought
Republicans vs. Democrats: Maybe A Dime's Worth Of Difference

~ Larry Elder, "The Ten Things You Can't Say In America"

20 posted on 02/26/2013 7:26:37 PM PST by Old Sarge (We are officially over the precipice, we just havent struck the ground yet...)
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To: South40

RINOs - still pretending they aren’t big government liberals.

But not fooling anyone but themselves.

The good Ol’ Boy Senate Club is more important to them than the defense of the country.


21 posted on 02/26/2013 7:27:10 PM PST by Iron Munro (I miss America, don't you?)
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To: South40

I just don’t think this matters much one way or the other.


22 posted on 02/26/2013 7:29:59 PM PST by Tau Food (Never give a sword to a man who can't dance.)
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To: South40

This will only embolden the kenyan to nominate more buffoons. That the GOP allowed themselves to be so brazenly buffaloed is historic.

Dems would have never, ever have allowed a vote with Hagel still refusing to answer the questions asked by the committee. We are led by cheese eating surrender monkeys. Words fail me.


23 posted on 02/26/2013 7:39:10 PM PST by lodi90
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To: South40
The CPUSA is now large and in charge in DC.

Patriots nationwide now have only one task.

Destroy the Republicrats and the apparatchiks in DC by any means necessary, and negate their ability to steal cash from the working man outside the Beltway via income tax withholding.

The Washingtonians must be neutralized.

24 posted on 02/26/2013 7:59:33 PM PST by Rome2000 (THE WASHINGTONIANS AND UNIVERSAL SUFFRAGE ARE THE ENEMY -ROTATE THE CAPITAL AMONGST THE STATES)
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To: FReepers; Patriots; FRiends

Can't process the above...LOL.




Ideally, FR needs Every Regular User and Member to Contribute.

Please Don't let the Same Loyal Members Carry Everyone!

If you haven't yet Contributed, Please Don't Delay!!!

Less than $2.3k to GO!!!

25 posted on 02/26/2013 8:06:05 PM PST by onyx (FREE REPUBLIC IS HERE TO STAY! DONATE MONTHLY! IF YOU WANT ON SARAH PALIN''S PING LIST, LET ME KNOW)
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To: rockinqsranch
You are spot on on your assessment of Paul's being more than the perverbial "chip off the old block(head)."

Occasionally, I think that something the elder Paul said made sense, then the next minute he opens his mouth and spouts total craziness, i.e. America deserved 9/11 for "interfering in other countries!"

Rand's behavior is more misleading or is it merely "hopeful" as he was supported over more liberal opponent and spoke favorably on pro-life issues, unlike his father, also a physician but unwilling to lift a finger in support of slaughtered innocent babies.

I know of some pro-life folk who are total kooks on many issues and also liberal on issues like the Second Amendment, taxes and school choice but I'll never trust anyone that supports the slaughter of millions of babies, claiming freedom of the individual.

Nope, not only is Rand like his dad on other Libertiarian issues, he is also unsympathetic to Israel's right to exist against neighbors who desire their total destruction.

26 posted on 02/26/2013 8:30:13 PM PST by zerosix (Native sunflower)
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To: South40

Man, I just laid into Richard Shelby’s ass with an e-mail that was a scorcher. I told him to man up and get the hell out of the Republican party and join his liberal friends. I told him he should open a spot for a real conservative. Lol, it was bad. He may put a hit on me so if I disappear you’ll all know what happened. Laughs. I’m sick of sleeper liberals popping up in the Republican party on crucial votes. I’m sad for my state because of the shame and embarrassment Shelby has caused with his treason. Shelby is a stinking politician and most likely was paid off to vote for Hagel. He will never ever get any respect from me again. I’m done with him.


27 posted on 02/26/2013 9:07:14 PM PST by lwoodham (I am Andrew Breitbart. Don't doubt me on this.)
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To: bmwcyle
"McCain is a Democrat and no one can tell me he is not playing for the other side."

There is lots to support your assertion, though another interpretation might be that the two parties have been cooperating for decades to support the assuption by most that the public has but two voices; sometimes one side prevails and sometimes the other.

After McCain's run in 2000 he was attacked by Democrats for lacking constitutional eligibility. He was defended by a Chicago law firm active on Obama’s campaign committee. When law suits were inconclusive, John Conyers two attempts to get an amendment to the Constitution in 2004 and 2005 failed, and amendment that would have made both McCain and Obama natural born citizens, and Congress couldn't resolve eligibility in his, McCain's, favor Obama and has campaign chair, Clare McCakill authored a bill in the Senate, SB 2678, in Feb 2008, the ‘‘Children of Military Families Natural Born Citizen Act’’. Were McCain eligible the bill wouild have been redundant, and moot. It wasn't redundant, but failed to pass.

When SB 2678 failed, McCaskill, Clinton, Obama, Webb and Coburn and Pat Leahy filed Senate Resolution 511, again to support a claim of eligibility for McCain, though a resolution has no legal authority. It said, in effect, that because McCain's parents were citizens, it didn't matter that the Canal Zone was unincorporated territory in 1936. Legally, the 100% support for SR 511 was no surprise. They all agreed with Judge Michael Chertoff who said “My assumption and my understanding is that if you are born of American parents, you are naturally a natural-born American citizen,” Chertoff replied, and Obama concurred!

They needed McCain to run interference. With questions about his eligibility stifling any eligibility questions from the Republicans, Obama’s not have been born to citizen parents would never be raised. McCain was fully aware of questions about his status, and provided a birth certificate showing that he was born in Colon Hospital - definintely not sovereign territory. Whether the Colon birth certificate was legitimate, the Canal Zone was not sovereign US territory until 1937 when Congress acted to incorporate The Zone.

McCain's McCain-Feingold bill threw power to the media, already almost entirely liberal. We can't read his mind, but his actions got Obama elected, with the protection of the media that deployed the Alinsky rules to silence honest questions about the law. Progressives deployed masterful misdirection, for example by ridiculing “Birthers” with “Because natural born citizenship was not defined in The Constitution...” implying that therefore the "living Constitution" definition let them designate Obama, born British, a "natural born citizen", even when he himself was careful not to make that claim; he said "I am a native-born citizen of the US", which is the definition for a 14th Amendment citizen, whose parents, like those of slaves in 1866, were not citizens. Slaves were made naturalized citizens, native-born in the US, but not natural born citizen.

Few in our low-information society, apparently including Michael Chertoff, knew that there are not definitions of terms in the Constitution. The definition was cited as dictum in twenty five or so supreme Court cases, and as precedence in Minor v. Happersett, and has never been amended or reinterpreted, "born on our soil to parents who were its citizens."

Madison, among many of our framers, explained that the omission was deliberate. Time changes the meanings of words. The Constitution was built upon Natural Law, eternal law; for the document to retain eternal meaning the definitions must be construed from the language and law familiar to its framers.

McCain is more likely an example of a politician for whom there is no political doctrine, except perhaps self interest. Chuck Hagel is another “Republican” whose beliefs appear closer to those of the progressives than conservatives, which neither McCain nor Hagel represent. Unless someone talks we will never know whether McCain's actions were coerced (Keating Five anyone?) or whether he really is that much closer to George Soros than Sarah Palin. We do know that he does not honor, defend or protect the Constitution, as he has sworn to do many times as a Naval Officer and Congressman.

28 posted on 02/26/2013 9:52:37 PM PST by Spaulding
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To: Faith65
Rand Paul voted for him....

This isn't good. I'm sure Democrat Senators will confirm a future Republican president cabinet nominees

29 posted on 02/26/2013 9:53:37 PM PST by RginTN
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To: Spaulding

Outstanding post.


30 posted on 02/26/2013 9:56:36 PM PST by RedHeeler
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To: Faith65

.......Our country will never be the same...ever.

................

I wonder whether instead of Obamaphones, we can all get a Rosetta Stone Farsi translation app on our iPhones???


31 posted on 02/26/2013 10:17:14 PM PST by Noob1999 (Loose Lips, Sink Ships)
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To: Spaulding

Amen and pass the ammunition.


32 posted on 02/26/2013 10:20:37 PM PST by ASouthernGrl (BHO sucks - literally or metaphorically, you decide.)
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To: lwoodham

You are not alone:

http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2013/02/26/Alabama-Republicans-Demand-Shelby-Retract-Support-of-Hagel


33 posted on 02/26/2013 10:24:00 PM PST by ScaniaBoy (Part of the Right Wing Research & Attack Machine)
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To: Spaulding
McCain cheated on his wife, too. A man that will not honor his marriage vows probably won't honor any others either.

"If you are faithful in little things, you will be faithful in large ones. But if you are dishonest in little things, you won't be honest with greater responsibilities." (Luke 16:10)

34 posted on 02/26/2013 10:30:24 PM PST by boatbums (God is ready to assume full responsibility for the life wholly yielded to Him.)
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To: South40
From a CORRECT source.

May these four TRAITORS die a very agonizing and slow death !
They enable our enemies to rule over our military!
35 posted on 02/26/2013 10:52:38 PM PST by Yosemitest (It's Simple ! Fight, ... or Die !)
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To: Segovia
Paul’s vote floored me.

It is Orin Hatch logic.

36 posted on 02/26/2013 10:56:38 PM PST by itsahoot (MSM and Fox free since Nov 1st. If it doesn’t happen here then it didn't happen.)
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To: Spaulding
If anyone bothered anymore you would be in for a scorching.

Great synopsis of reality in the traitorous era we now live in.

37 posted on 02/26/2013 11:11:32 PM PST by itsahoot (MSM and Fox free since Nov 1st. If it doesn’t happen here then it didn't happen.)
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To: Yosemitest

They were probably bribed.


38 posted on 02/26/2013 11:11:32 PM PST by South40
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To: South40
If they can't defend us in this matter, they can't defend us in ANY matter.
To HELL with them all!
39 posted on 02/26/2013 11:48:30 PM PST by Yosemitest (It's Simple ! Fight, ... or Die !)
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To: South40

The vote was actually a lot closer than I was expecting. I’ve been of a mind the hold up on Hagel’s nom was always a bargaining chip to force Obama to release some information about Benghazi. Maybe that disastrous appearance by Chuck hurt him more than I’d reckoned.


40 posted on 02/27/2013 12:03:51 AM PST by DemforBush (When life gives you lemons, hoard them and make a killing in citrus futures!)
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To: South40

So Chuck “Foster Brooks’’ Hagel is the new Sec. Def. Good lord.


41 posted on 02/27/2013 12:36:48 AM PST by jmacusa (Political correctness is cultural Marxism. I'm not a Marxist.)
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To: South40; All

We aren’t going to agree with every Senator on every issue, dammit.

Rand Paul is being dismissed on this board because of a single frickin’ vote.

Folks who do that are absurd. They’re content to forever pissed off, apparently.

Good luck getting a governing majority with that attitude.


42 posted on 02/27/2013 12:46:31 AM PST by SoFloFreeper
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To: South40

Reasoning of four Republicans?

1. Obama was going to be mean to us if we didn’t act bipartisan
2. Obama promised us goodies if we acted bipartisan
3. Hagel has a Constitutional right to be stupid. Kerry said so.
4. We are RINOs. It’s what we do.
5. We have to prove we aren’t in the pocket of the Israeli Lobby.
6. The Oil Lobby said so.
7. The NY Times said so.
8. Hagel performed like a stumblebum. That proves he’s sincere.
9. We are almost as humble as the President, and only half as brave.
10. All of the above.


43 posted on 02/27/2013 1:27:28 AM PST by Eleutheria5 (End the occupation. Annex today.)
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To: South40; All

McCain voted NO just so you know


44 posted on 02/27/2013 3:33:13 AM PST by blueyon (The U. S. Constitution - read it and weep)
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To: bmwcyle

Sarah Palin will try to tell you that.


45 posted on 02/27/2013 4:51:56 AM PST by demshateGod (The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God.)
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To: South40
What's the point of us voting if the result is the same no matter who gets the seat? Sigh.

46 posted on 02/27/2013 5:16:59 AM PST by BitWielder1 (Corporate Profits are better than Government Waste)
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To: SoFloFreeper

“Rand Paul is being dismissed on this board because of a single frickin’ vote.”

It’s not just any vote, it’s the top Defense job for this country.

I was vacillating with Rand Paul, wondering if he would be too much like his father. He’s scratched off my list as a viable candidate.


47 posted on 02/27/2013 5:19:15 AM PST by FR_addict
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To: Segovia
I don’t live anywhere near Kentucky, but I contributed to his campaign because I believed he really supported Tea Party principles.

Rand Paul is a losertarian just like his father.

48 posted on 02/27/2013 5:30:37 AM PST by Colonel_Flagg ("Don't be afraid to see what you see." -- Ronald Reagan)
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To: SoFloFreeper

Rand Paul is now dead to me. There is no way anyone can justify allowing that POS Hagel to rule over our military.

He had the absolute worst and most ill-prepared confirmation hearing in our nation’s history and Rand Paul still confirmed him.

Rand Paul has easily and fully shown himself to be a political hack and an enemy of our nation’s military.

I don’t care what he says. I judge him based on his votes.


49 posted on 02/27/2013 5:32:49 AM PST by CCGuy (USAF (Ret.))
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To: rockinqsranch

It is amusing to see the old time wisdom being applied here. “The apple doesn’t fall far from the tree.”


50 posted on 02/27/2013 5:39:08 AM PST by billhilly
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