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Abortion classified as murder if bill becomes law in Iowa
Radio Iowa ^ | Feb. 6, 2013 | O. Kay Henderson

Posted on 02/07/2013 5:15:30 AM PST by EternalVigilance

A group of Republican legislators has introduced legislation that would make all abortions illegal in Iowa and any doctor who performs an abortion in Iowa would face murder charges.

“What the bill does is it defines what a person is,” says Representative Tom Shaw, a Republican from Laurens who is the bill’s lead sponsor.

“We put it right underneath our murder statute. This is in keeping with Roe v Wade where Justice Blackman said that if the state ever defined the fetus to be a person, then, of course, it would have all the protections of the 14th amendment. ...”

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“We just kind of sat down and thought, ‘We’re making this way too hard. We should be following what the Supreme Court said in their opinion,’” Shaw says. “And so the bill just merely defines who a person is and it defines a person from the moment of conception when the zygote is formed until natural death.”

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“...we should not determine whether a person’s life is worth living based on their age or their stage of biological development,” Shaw says.

(Excerpt) Read more at radioiowa.com ...


TOPICS: Front Page News; Government; US: Iowa
KEYWORDS: abortion; iowa; law; life; personhood; prolife
A person IS a person, and abortion IS murder.

Kudoes to Representatives SHAW, HEARTSILL, ALONS, SCHULTZ, BACON, SHEETS, KOESTER, FRY, and SALMON. This is where the battle lines should have been drawn all along.

1 posted on 02/07/2013 5:15:36 AM PST by EternalVigilance
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To: EternalVigilance

A person’s a person, no matter how small.


2 posted on 02/07/2013 5:20:25 AM PST by BykrBayb (Somewhere, my flower is there. ~ Þ)
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To: BykrBayb

Absolutely.

“We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable rights, that among these are life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. That to secure these rights, governments are instituted among men...”


3 posted on 02/07/2013 5:22:15 AM PST by EternalVigilance (God rules, without remorse.)
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To: EternalVigilance

This is the fruit of our Constitution. It is self-correcting. God bless Federalism.


4 posted on 02/07/2013 5:23:38 AM PST by 1010RD (First, Do No Harm)
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To: BykrBayb

The U.S. Constitution:

“No person shall be deprived of life without due process of law.”

“No State shall deprive any person of life without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.”


5 posted on 02/07/2013 5:24:05 AM PST by EternalVigilance (God rules, without remorse.)
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To: 1010RD

I’m happy to say that Tom Shaw is my state representative.

We couldn’t be happier with him.

If we can fill every office in American with folks like him this free republic will be restored and preserved.


6 posted on 02/07/2013 5:26:56 AM PST by EternalVigilance (God rules, without remorse.)
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To: BykrBayb

Hence, my tagline.


7 posted on 02/07/2013 5:38:08 AM PST by Kevmo ("A person's a person, no matter how small" ~Horton Hears a Who)
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To: EternalVigilance

Iowa constantly amazes me. Their politics are all OVER the map!

Of course I agree with this, but they sure did their best to give us 0bama, too! *Scratches Head*


8 posted on 02/07/2013 5:42:45 AM PST by Diana in Wisconsin (I don't have 'Hobbies.' I'm developing a robust Post-Apocalyptic skill set...)
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To: All

Wisconsin is not without blame, too, concerning electing 0bama!

But, we now have a Republican Governor and we OWN the House and the Assembly, so we’re moving in the right direction. :)


9 posted on 02/07/2013 5:44:38 AM PST by Diana in Wisconsin (I don't have 'Hobbies.' I'm developing a robust Post-Apocalyptic skill set...)
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To: Diana in Wisconsin

Me too.


10 posted on 02/07/2013 5:55:21 AM PST by Venturer
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To: EternalVigilance

It’s a shame that Terri Schiavo wasn’t recognized as a person. We all know that babies, disabled people, elderly people, and all other people are people. That we have to write a law legislating the definition is a sign of how far civilization has deteriorated.


11 posted on 02/07/2013 6:07:02 AM PST by BykrBayb (Somewhere, my flower is there. ~ Þ)
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To: BykrBayb

Absolutely.


12 posted on 02/07/2013 6:07:49 AM PST by EternalVigilance (God rules, without remorse.)
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To: Kevmo

That’s a great tagline!


13 posted on 02/07/2013 6:08:00 AM PST by BykrBayb (Somewhere, my flower is there. ~ Þ)
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To: EternalVigilance

My nephew is alive today because my sister had a life-saving abortion in 1987.

So will a pregnant woman have the right to kill in self-defense under this law?


14 posted on 02/07/2013 6:30:35 AM PST by SatinDoll (NATURAL BORN CITZEN: BORN IN THE USA OF CITIZEN PARENTS.)
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To: EternalVigilance

Aren’t the Dems and their President saying “If it saves JUST ONE LIFE?”

Oh...sorry. I guess that only applies to evil things like guns and trying to ban them.

Silly me...


15 posted on 02/07/2013 6:54:17 AM PST by NFHale (The Second Amendment - By Any Means Necessary.)
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To: EternalVigilance

Outstanding!


16 posted on 02/07/2013 7:01:30 AM PST by LearsFool ("Thou shouldst not have been old, till thou hadst been wise.")
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To: EternalVigilance

You got a permit for that?


17 posted on 02/07/2013 8:12:07 AM PST by onedoug
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To: BykrBayb

Therein lies Dr. Seuss’s cognitive dissonance: He was a filthy, Marxist leaning Liberal who supported abortion, yet he somehow managed to write a children’s book that told us a “person’s a person no matter how small...”

Apparently, Dr. Seuss didn’t mean what he said nor say what he meant...

Cheers!


18 posted on 02/07/2013 9:10:20 AM PST by DoctorBulldog (Obama sucks. End of story.)
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To: DoctorBulldog

continued...

“A Lib is a Lib, one hundred percent...”


19 posted on 02/07/2013 9:15:18 AM PST by DoctorBulldog (Obama sucks. End of story.)
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To: SatinDoll

But your sister didn’t have a ‘life-saving abortion’.

She underwent a medical procedure to save her life: the unfortunate side-effect of which led to the death of her unborn child or children.

If her medical procedure could have been carried out without killing her child then I imagine she would have done so.

Pregnant women have the right to medical procedures to save their lives. They also retain the right to “kill in self-defense” - for instance if someone attacks them in the street.

However ‘self-defense’ would be a ludicrous way of describing the effects of an operation to deal with e.g. an ectopic pregnancy. ‘Heart-breaking necessity’ would be a better term.


20 posted on 02/07/2013 11:52:21 AM PST by agere_contra (I once saw a movie where only the police and military had guns. It was called 'Schindler's List'.)
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To: EternalVigilance

While the bill does indeed take a bold step I hope they left a little room in the fine print for special circumstances. It would be disgusting to see an expectant mother die because a doctor’s hands were legally tied ( this happened in Ireland recently). Maybe I’m the only one who remembers thalidamide. Then there are hydro- and micro-cephalics and a range of other really dangerous fetal conditions that risk death to the mother if not dealt with when problems start. And then who will be prosecuted when a doctor creates a miscariage by prescribing meds for other conditions and they wind up not being compatible with a full term pregnancy??? It happens all the time. Absolutes never work out in spite of best intentions. I just hope these bill writers have done their homework and not created a whole new world of problems?


21 posted on 02/07/2013 1:13:26 PM PST by cherokee1 (skip the names---just kick the buttz)
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To: EternalVigilance
So, then does this mean any person who uses any means of birth control is guilty of attempted murder?
22 posted on 02/07/2013 1:27:36 PM PST by Gertie
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To: Gertie

Only if it murders an innocent person.


23 posted on 02/07/2013 1:37:49 PM PST by EternalVigilance (God rules, without remorse.)
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To: cherokee1

Murder charges are brought by county prosecutors.

What prosecutor would bring charges against someone who was trying to save as many innocent lives as he could in a triage situation?


25 posted on 02/07/2013 1:41:23 PM PST by EternalVigilance (God rules, without remorse.)
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To: cherokee1

By the way, there are other provisions in the Iowa Code that protect a doctor in a triage situation.

People die. Doctors are not God.


27 posted on 02/07/2013 1:53:50 PM PST by EternalVigilance (God rules, without remorse.)
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Thursday, Feb. 7, 2013 - 5:30 pm Central - WHO Radio

Representative Tom Shaw will be interviewed by Simon Conway concerning HF 138, which defines the child in the womb as a person in the murder code.

Listen LIVE! http://www.whoradio.com/main.html


28 posted on 02/07/2013 2:43:51 PM PST by EternalVigilance (God rules, without remorse.)
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To: AdmSmith; AnonymousConservative; Berosus; bigheadfred; Bockscar; ColdOne; Convert from ECUSA; ...
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Thanks EternalVigilance!


29 posted on 02/07/2013 7:57:01 PM PST by SunkenCiv (Romney would have been worse, if you're a dumb ass.)
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To: Tzar

I apologize for taking so long to answer your question.

My sister was in a car accident in July, 1987. She informed the ER personnel that she was pregnant but they just said she was mistaken and loaded her up with painkillers. The injuries to her neck and spine were severe and, quite frankly, she required the pain killers.

Unfortunately, she began having seizures within days because the pain medication toxicity accumulated in her baby. She said she was probably no more that 8 weeks along by this time and the pregnancy had become unviable; she had eclampsia.

Sen. Rick Santorum and his wife experienced eclampsia during one of their pregnancies. If it is late in term, medical treatment is possible in an attempt save the mother and unborn child’s lives until the baby can live outside the womb. In the Santorum’s case their son died due to involuntary abortion - a miscarriage.

My sister is built like a rock and there was no miscarriage, just a worsening of her condition. Doctors said there was no way to save either her or the baby, period, but she could not get an abortion at that hospital.

The hospital that gave her emergency care was a state-run, the Oregon Health Sciences University (OHSU) Hospital. Conservative Republicans had gained control over the state legislature and passed a law making it a crime for any state-financed hospital to perform an abortion - FOR ANY REASON.

We carried her into an abortion clinic as she was no longer able to walk.

My family members and I are Roman Catholic. This event changed our lives, and though we are solidly pro-life and donate money to organizations that provide pregnant women with options to killing their babies, we no longer believe abortion should simply be outlawed.

My nephew was born in February, 1992. He was considered to be a miracle baby, as my sister had been advised she would never have another child.

The previous year I had a positive test for uterine cancer (false) and a subsequent hysterectomy. The pregnancy was conceived about the time of my surgery.

Do you believe in miracles? I do.


30 posted on 02/08/2013 3:52:47 AM PST by SatinDoll (NATURAL BORN CITZEN: BORN IN THE USA OF CITIZEN PARENTS.)
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To: Tzar

“...more woman die of botched abortions of convenience each year than woman died because they were denied medically necessary abortions before Roe.”

Agreed.

IMHO, the worst thing to have happened is that hospitals stopped performing therapeutic abortions primarily due to the adverse publicity of protestors ourside their facilities. Instead, we’ve had the creation of abortion clinics, which I know are sloppy, profit driven centers of death.


32 posted on 02/08/2013 5:16:47 AM PST by SatinDoll (NATURAL BORN CITZEN: BORN IN THE USA OF CITIZEN PARENTS.)
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To: EternalVigilance

Wonderful to hear.


33 posted on 02/08/2013 7:19:30 AM PST by Grandma Conservative (Take back the GOP Now, not in three years or be prepared to vote RINO once again.)
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To: EternalVigilance

Yah, just keep making the rules as you go along, forget the Bible, right and wrong, do what feels good, the Pope, God love him, is right and I’m not Catholic. You are just another “loose Cannon” with cockeyed, hair brained stupid ideas looking for a few minutes of recognition.


34 posted on 02/08/2013 8:10:18 AM PST by Gertie
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To: Gertie

I have no earthly idea what you’re talking about.


35 posted on 02/08/2013 10:28:47 AM PST by EternalVigilance (God rules, without remorse.)
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