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1 posted on 01/30/2013 4:10:23 AM PST by lowbridge
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How does dumping 11 million aliens into the economy, on the social system and into the job markets strengthen the middle class?

First off, the 11 million number is a big lie. It will be more like 25 million OR more. The system can NOT sustain that. Some of the reasons for doing this go all the way back to the Israelites who were clamoring for a king:

1. Taxation - All the newly-minted citizens WILL pay a boatload of taxes.

2. Soldiers for war - God told them a king would take their sons for war.

3. Votes - The politicians are salivating at the prospect of additional votes. Mexicans vote Democrat. Period.

Also the scripture says: Deuteronomy 17:15 you shall surely set a king over you whom the Lord your God chooses, one from among your countrymen you shall set as king over yourselves; you may not put a foreigner over yourselves who is not your countryman.

2 posted on 01/30/2013 4:20:49 AM PST by MeneMeneTekelUpharsin (Freedom is the freedom to discipline yourself so others don't have to do it for you.)
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To put this in the right prospective....when you move the eleven million to legit status as citizens...their employers will quickly dump them because the guy will expect real wages, real social security payment, etc. So the new citizen will end up at lower-end job....with no health care....because almost all will be in 30-hour or less situations (the new trick by employers to avoid the healthcare mess).

Meanwhile, the old employers...seeking really cheap labor....will entice a replacement squad of eleven million within three years to move into the US and set up residence for the under-the-table jobs.

Frankly, I’d stop all this immigration effort, and aim strictly at the employers...American citizens....and start bringing them into court. They deserve months in jail for continuing this whole practice and violating all the various laws already in existence. If they were truly fearful of court or jail, they wouldn’t be hiring the illegals.


3 posted on 01/30/2013 4:20:58 AM PST by pepsionice
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Yes, the Obama buttlicking media in Miami this morning is running the sound bite....I thought “How in hell does an open border help the middle class?”


4 posted on 01/30/2013 4:21:19 AM PST by SoFloFreeper
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“How does dumping 11 million aliens into the economy, on the social system and into the job markets strengthen the middle class?”

It doesn’t strengthen the middle class; all it does is create friction and chaos - the very things for which BHO2 lives.

He is the King of chaos, the bringer of flies.


5 posted on 01/30/2013 4:22:39 AM PST by SatinDoll (NATURAL BORN CITZEN: BORN IN THE USA OF CITIZEN PARENTS.)
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Obama is puposefully destroying America. Of those 11 million about 48% of them receive means tested welfare
fronm the States in whioch they are located. They are here to work or simply get the dole, and have no interest in becomeing “Americans” in the sense of patriotism. They are here as a part of Obama’s reconquista demographic warfare
against America.

No surprise. We were warned:

http://www.americanthinker.com/2009/05/barack_obama_the_quintessentia_1.html


6 posted on 01/30/2013 4:23:06 AM PST by Candor7 (Obama fascism article:(http://www.americanthinker.com/2009/05/barack_obama_the_quintessentia_1.html))
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1 Samuel 8:11 And he said, "This will be the procedure of the king who will reign over you: he will take your sons and place them for himself in his chariots and among his horsemen and they will run before his chariots.
1 Samuel 8:12 "And he will appoint for himself commanders of thousands and of fifties, and some to do his plowing and to reap his harvest and to make his weapons of war and equipment for his chariots.
1 Samuel 8:13 "He will also take your daughters for perfumers and cooks and bakers.
1 Samuel 8:14 "And he will take the best of your fields and your vineyards and your olive groves, and give them to his servants.
1 Samuel 8:15 "And he will take a tenth of your seed and of your vineyards, and give to his officers and to his servants.
1 Samuel 8:16 "He will also take your male servants and your female servants and your best young men and your donkeys, and use them for his work.
1 Samuel 8:17 "He will take a tenth of your flocks, and you yourselves will become his servants.
1 Samuel 8:18 "Then you will cry out in that day because of your king whom you have chosen for yourselves, but the Lord will not answer you in that day."
7 posted on 01/30/2013 4:25:25 AM PST by MeneMeneTekelUpharsin (Freedom is the freedom to discipline yourself so others don't have to do it for you.)
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Then we know it will destroy the middle class. hussein has done nothing but lie to us to get what he wants - power and control. He wants eleven million new (?) democrat voters. He has lied to us about lobbyists, gitmo, balancing the budget, second amendment rights, obamacare, compromise with the gop. You can search and find exhaustive lists of his lies, they are literally far too numerous to list here. Their common theme - not only are they promises or statements that he later goes back on, they are obviously untrue when he says them and or it becomes obvious later that he knew they were untrue when he spewed them out. If i lied at work - any, I’d be fired, period.


8 posted on 01/30/2013 4:36:00 AM PST by ThunderSleeps (Stop obama now! Stop the hussein - insane agenda!)
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The Utopian idea that adding this fictitious 12 million people to the taxpaying rolls is pure nonsense.

According to the Center for Immigration studies, up to 75 percent of illegal aliens pay Social Security and Medicare payments from their paychecks even though they are not legally entitled to a Social Security Account.

http://cis.org/mortensen/rewarding-illegal-alien-identity-thieves-sacrificing-innocent-american-children

In other words, they all don't hang out at gas stations, Home Depot, etc. looking for a cash paying job on a daily basis. They make up, steal, reproduce SS numbers and work in chicken plants, rug plants, rendering plants, where ever a manufacturer is willing to not ask too many questions about that Social Security card for William Smith they present. So, the illegals get the SS and medicare assessments taken off their check and they claim 8 or 9 dependents on their W-4 and have virtually NO federal or state taxes withheld.

The Social Security Administration has been quietly ignoring this because the payments into their system are a benefit with no heretofore outlays for them. This will change when/if they are legalized. If anyone believes that the SSA does not know exactly how many fraudulent SS numbers are in use and how many are duplicates, they believe in the Easter Bunny, too. They KNOW EXACTLY! It is too simple of a programming task not to. In fact, there are likely multiple tracking accounts for duplicated numbers so that the SSA doesn't have to pay out a maximum retirement payment for the poor sucker whose number was stolen. They are COMPLICIT and CORRUPT.

Alas, this will change when Obama gets his voters. The 12 million suddenly becomes 50 million, and they are all new projected SSA benefit recipients! Add to that the millions of sponsored influx of parents, uncles, aunts and cousins, and you have complete financial disaster....

But Obama won't care - he wants that, in addition to those new Democrat voters.

9 posted on 01/30/2013 4:37:33 AM PST by Gaffer
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Why does anything this turd “claims” even written down? It’s impossible for him to tell the truth.


10 posted on 01/30/2013 4:42:39 AM PST by albie
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Obama Claims Adding 11 Million criminal Workers Will Strengthen the Middle Class.


There, the title is fixed.


11 posted on 01/30/2013 4:54:05 AM PST by DH (Once the tainted finger of government touches anything the rot begins)
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Obama, be honest for once. You're only interested in adding eleven million more low information voters to the Democrat Party.
12 posted on 01/30/2013 4:54:25 AM PST by DJ Taylor (Once again our country is at war, and once again the Democrats have sided with our enemy.)
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Obama Claims Adding 11 Million Low-Skilled Workers Voters Will Strengthen the Middle Class His Regime

Sorry, I just had to correct that. And if you believe only 11,000,000 criminal aliens have invaded our country...

14 posted on 01/30/2013 5:14:29 AM PST by upchuck (America's at an awkward stage. Too late to work within the system, too early to shoot the bastards.)
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The burning ignorance of “demlogic.”


17 posted on 01/30/2013 5:37:37 AM PST by wesagain (The God #Elohim# of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob is the One True GOD.)
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Obama USDA met 30 times with Mexican gov’t to promote food-stamp use among Mexican immigrants

http://dailycaller.com/2012/10/01/obama-usda-met-30-times-with-mexican-govt-to-promote-food-stamp-use-among-mexican-immigrants/

That’s more than Obama has met with his own intelligence officials in the last few years.

But hey, keep working and clipping coupons- millions of anchor babies depend on you.


18 posted on 01/30/2013 5:39:46 AM PST by TurboZamboni (Looting the future to bribe the present)
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We’re still waiting for all the great, higher-paying jobs that offshoring our tech jobs promised us.


20 posted on 01/30/2013 5:45:26 AM PST by Ghost of Philip Marlowe (Prepare for survival.)
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But what does he know?


25 posted on 01/30/2013 6:01:35 AM PST by csmusaret (I will give Obama credit for one thing- he is living proof that familiarity breeds contempt.)
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Let’s dispense with the 11 million lie straight off. The real figure is closer to 30 million.


27 posted on 01/30/2013 6:24:55 AM PST by Buckeye McFrog
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29 posted on 01/30/2013 6:31:44 AM PST by skinkinthegrass (who'll take tomorrow,spend it all today;who can take your income,tax it all away..0'Bozo man can :-)
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No country can absorb the entire underclass of another country and that is what Mexico is asking us to do.


31 posted on 01/30/2013 6:56:35 AM PST by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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I am in strong disagreement with him about one thing.

He criticizes the shadow economy as a bad thing. I disagree completely. The shadow economy is a form of insurance against oppressive government. It was in full bloom in the Soviet Union through the worst of its dictatorship, to the point where their country (or at least millions of people) could not survive without it.

So what is the shadow economy? Most people assume it is the “black market”, but it is much more. Many of those who populate it are “blanks”, people who are not “in the system”, have no government issued ID, pay no taxes, work for cash only, and who see government as an oppressive enemy.

Some, of course, are criminals, or ex-cons who can only find employment here. But many just want to be free from government. They detest government and want no part of it in their lives. Their only interaction with government affirms this opinion.

They are willing to live in poverty to do this. And it means that they also must use alternate means to get what government says on it can provide, or that other people cannot have.

If Obama and his vile cronies outlaw guns and ammunition, the shadow economy will provide. If the Tea Party is outlawed as a terrorist organization, it will still exist in the shadow economy. If the government decides to confiscate all gold, there will be a river of gold in the shadow economy.

This is not a bad thing. It is a proud American tradition.


32 posted on 01/30/2013 7:01:21 AM PST by yefragetuwrabrumuy (Best WoT news at rantburg.com)
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