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Report: E15 causes some cars’ fuel systems to fail
Fuel Fix ^ | January 29, 2013 | Jennifer A. Dlouhy

Posted on 01/29/2013 12:45:54 PM PST by thackney

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API mulls taking E15 legal challenge to US Supreme Court
http://www.ogj.com/articles/2013/01/api-mulls-taking-e15-legal-challenge-to-us-supreme-court.html?cmpid=EnlDailyJanuary292013

01/29/2013
By Nick Snow
OGJ Washington Editor

The American Petroleum Institute is considering taking its legal challenge of the US Environmental Protection Agency’s introduction of gasoline with a 15% ethanol blend into the marketplace to the US Supreme Court, an API official said.

API and other organizations involved in the challenge would have to file a motion for consideration with the high court by April for the case to possibly be considered this year, said Bob Greco, API downstream and industry operations director. He spoke as the Coordinating Research Council released a new report suggesting widespread use of E15 could seriously damage vehicles’ fuel pumps and maintenance monitoring systems.

“E15 could cause erratic and misleading fuel gauge readings or cause faulty check engine light illuminations,” Greco told reporters during a Jan. 29 teleconference. “It also could cause critical components to break and stop fuel flow to the engine. Failure of these components could result in breakdowns that leave consumers stranded on busy roads and highways.”

A second teleconference participant, Mike Leister, principal engineer in Marathon Petroleum Corp.’s light products supply, distribution, and planning department, added, “We tested fuel pumps and fuel level sensing components, devices that send signals of problems to a car’s onboard diagnostic system or dashboard. About half didn’t make it through the tests.”
Greco said EPA began introducing E15 into the marketplace before CRC, a research organization supported by API and seven US and non-US automakers, could complete its tests. The latest report follows one that CRC issued in May demonstrating E15 could damage valve and valve seat engine parts in some tested vehicles, which included a number of common brands.

More comprehensive

CRC’s tests are more comprehensive than US Department of Energy tests EPA cited to justify its E15 actions, Greco said. “The more we study, the more problems we uncover,” he observed.

E15’s potential problems are among many indications that the 113th Congress should repeal the federal Renewable Fuel Standard mandated under the 2007 Energy Independence and Security Act, according to Greco.

“The world has changed since it was enacted,” he explained. “Consumer demand for fuels has dropped, while domestic supplies of crude oil have grown dramatically because of the revolution in shale oil and natural gas development in the US. This has reduced imports, one of the stated purposes of the RFS.”
Seeking repeal of the RFS is not an indictment of renewable fuels, he added. “Ethanol is well established and has desirable blending properties, so there are reasons why America’s refiners would use it with or without the law,” Greco said.

More members of Congress might be amenable since governors and other lawmakers raised concerns about expanding fuel use of ethanol from corn during 2012’s heavy drought, he suggested. “We at API are focusing on how it affects our industry and the problems it causes, including fraudulent [bio-diesel research identification numbers] and the ethanol blend wall we’re confronting,” Greco said.


21 posted on 01/29/2013 1:48:25 PM PST by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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So when mandating 10% in gasoline didn’t work, they agitated to mandate 15%, which will be a disaster, but they will not stop at that - next it’ll be 20%.


22 posted on 01/29/2013 2:11:48 PM PST by I want the USA back
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When the 10% stuff came out it ruined 5 fuel pumps in my vehicles. Destroyed a chainsaw and a weedeater. The E15 will kill anything older than 2010 model year.

And that 10% alcohol results in a real world fuel mileage reduction of 15 to 20% in my vehicles.


23 posted on 01/29/2013 2:24:27 PM PST by wrench
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You won’t find gas without ethanol in it on the Rockies in Colorado: bipartisan enviro-crazy land.


24 posted on 01/29/2013 2:33:13 PM PST by familyop (We Baby Boomers are croaking in an avalanche of rotten politics smelled around the planet.)
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To: Fast Moving Angel

My dad owns a small engine repair business. The last few years I would bet 30% of his work can be directly attributed to ethanol in gas. I was in his shop one afternoon this summer and watched him “fix” two chainsaws and a weedeater by simply flushing the gas in them and pumping new gas through the system and then starting them. $30 bucks a pop (and he’s cheap.) Those were the lucky customers. Most people had their carburetors ruined by the ethanol and would be paying for a carb rebuild or buying a new machine.


25 posted on 01/29/2013 3:00:16 PM PST by azcap (Who is John Galt ? www.conservativeshirts.com)
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Considering the type of cars is extremely common that is really bad odds. 2007 Nissan Altima, 2001 Chevrolet Cavalier, 2004 Ford Focus, 2003 Nissan Maxima and the 2004 Ford Range are what the article said was used. I say all of those are pretty common.

I spoke a mechanic and they said the alcohol is terrible in fuel injection. If you let a car sit the alcohol pulls any water out of the gas and will rust the heck out of your injectors.

26 posted on 01/29/2013 3:24:06 PM PST by Idaho_Cowboy (Ride for the Brand. Joshua 24:15)
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To: familyop

It is over 100 miles from my home to the closest station without ethanol.


27 posted on 01/29/2013 3:36:28 PM PST by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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Just bought a new Craftsman 7.5hp lawnmower. Manual says it’s ok for 10% crap gas. Popular Mechanics rated it #1.

It replaced my 30+ y/o 4hp snapper that I just got tired of fixing.

Talk about awesome lawnmower!


28 posted on 01/29/2013 6:18:42 PM PST by bicyclerepair (toodamtall1@yahoo.com)
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To: azcap

I’ll have to remember that — good tip!


29 posted on 01/30/2013 2:58:04 PM PST by Fast Moving Angel (A moral wrong is not a civil right: No religious sanction of an irreligious act.)
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