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Obama to announce his immigration reform plan, said to be more liberal than Senate effort
Wash Post ^ | 1/29/13 | David Nakamura and Rosalind S. Helderman

Posted on 01/29/2013 5:29:25 AM PST by jimbo123

The Obama administration has developed its own proposals for immigration reform that are more liberal than a separate bipartisan effort in the Senate, including a quicker path to citizenship for illegal immigrants, people with knowledge of the proposals said.

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KEYWORDS: 113th; aliens; amnesty; bho44; bhoillegals; illegals; rinos
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Here are the House RINOs most likely to vote with Boner and RATS for Amnesty:

Lou Barletta (R-Pa.), Dan Benishek (R-Mich.), Jeff Denham (R-Calif.), Chris Gibson (R-N.Y.), Michael Grimm (R-N.Y.), Richard Hanna (R-N.Y.), Joe Heck (R-Nev.), Jamie Herrera Beutler (R-Wash.), Bill Johnson (R-Ohio), Adam Kinzinger (R-Ill.), Tom Marino (R-Pa.), Tom Meehan (R-Pa.), Kristi Noem (R-S.D.), Tom Reed (R-N.Y.), Reid Ribble (R-Wis.), John Runyan (R-N.J.), Steve Womack (R-Ark.).Rodney Alexander (R-La.), John Boehner (R-Ohio), Kevin Brady (R-Texas), Vern Buchanan (R-Fla.), Kevin Calvert (R-Calif.), Dave Camp (R-Mich.), Howard Coble (R-N.C.), Tom Cole (R-Okla.), Anders Crenshaw (R-Fla.), Charlie Dent (R-Pa.), Lincoln Diaz-Balart (R-Fla.), Mike Fitzpatrick (R-Pa.), Jeff Fortenberry (R-Neb.), Rodney Frelinghuysen (R-N.J.),Jim Gerlach (R-Pa.), Peter King (R-N.Y.), Jon Kline (R-Minn.), Leonard Lance (R-N.J.), Bob Latta (R-Ohio), Frank LoBiondo (R-N.J.), Frank Lucas (R-Okla), Blaine Luetkemeyer (R-Mo), Buck McKeon (R-Ca), Cathy McMorris Rodgers (R-Wash.), Candice Miller (R-Mich.), Gary Miller (R-Calif.), Tim Murphy (R-Pa.), Joe Pitts (R-Pa.), Todd Platts (R-Pa.), Dave Reichert (R-Wash.), Hal Rogers (R-Ky.), Mike Rogers (R-Mich.), Ileana Ros-Lehtinen (R-Calif.), Ed Royce (R-Calif.), Paul Ryan (R-Wis.), Aaron Schock (R-Ill.), Bud Schuster (R-Pa.), John Shimkus (R-Ill.), Mike Simpson (R-Idaho), Chris Smith (R-N.J.), Lamar Smith (R-Texas), Steve Stivers (R-Ohio), Glenn Thompson (R-Pa.), Mac Thornberry (R-Ga.), Pat Tiberi (R-Ohio), Fred Upton (R-Mich.), Greg Walden (R-Ore.), Bill Young (R-Fla.), Don Young (R-Alaska).

1 posted on 01/29/2013 5:29:32 AM PST by jimbo123
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To: jimbo123

Because we know compromise means giving the Democrats most of what they want.


2 posted on 01/29/2013 5:33:33 AM PST by CitizenUSA (Why celebrate evil? Evil is easy. Good is the goal worth striving for.)
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To: jimbo123

We will just have to drop the Senate’s plan and use Obama’s plan. After all he is the One.

BOHICA.

Before Amnesty is even spoken about we should prove for one year that we can stop any more illegals from entering this country.

Then and only then should we look at Amnesty for those already here.


3 posted on 01/29/2013 5:33:39 AM PST by Venturer
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To: Venturer

Agreed. We have to stop giving them what they ask for and wait forever to receive our side of the bargain.
Step up border enforcement now, then we’ll consider passing amnesty. Not give citizenship to millions of illegals now and never see the border closed.


4 posted on 01/29/2013 5:39:38 AM PST by tbw2
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To: Venturer

This is a coordinated strategy between Bonner , mitchy, rove , Reid, Jeb , mccaishame, grahamnasty ,and the Obama drones !

Intentionally Distract the country with gun grabbing then ram thru amnesty !

Wow let’s compromise so Obama ‘s plan Does not get passed !

It’s such a phony farce it’s insulting !

The big Ag and grocery stores such as HES runs the GOP !


5 posted on 01/29/2013 5:51:47 AM PST by ncalburt (Amnesty media out in full force)
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To: Venturer

This is a coordinated strategy between Bonner , mitchy, rove , Reid, Jeb , mccaishame, grahamnasty ,and the Obama drones !

Intentionally Distract the country with gun grabbing then ram thru amnesty !

Wow let’s compromise so Obama ‘s plan Does not get passed !

It’s such a phony farce it’s insulting !

The big Ag and grocery stores such as HES runs the GOP !


6 posted on 01/29/2013 5:51:47 AM PST by ncalburt (Amnesty media out in full force)
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To: Venturer

This is a coordinated strategy between Bonner , mitchy, rove , Reid, Jeb , mccaishame, grahamnasty ,and the Obama drones !

Intentionally Distract the country with gun grabbing then ram thru amnesty !

Wow let’s compromise so Obama ‘s plan Does not get passed !

It’s such a phony farce it’s insulting !

The big Ag and grocery stores such as HES runs the GOP !


7 posted on 01/29/2013 5:51:58 AM PST by ncalburt (Amnesty media out in full force)
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To: jimbo123
Attack on family in Compton latest incident in wave of anti-black violence A Latino gang is intimidating blacks into leaving the city that was once an African American enclave. It's part of a violent trend seen in other parts of the L.A. area.

You can bet that none of these "undocumented, in-the-shadows victims of xenophobic America" will be counted as law breakers. I wonder what it will take for "immigration reform" to consider an act in violation of law -- and actually do something about it?!

To whomever favors "immigration reform": Please explain:

  1. Why is criticism of some ILLEGAL aliens from south of the border considered criticism of all Hispanic people?
  2. How does talking about the ones referred to in this LA Times column cause Americans of Hispanic origin to reject conservative opinion and candidates for office?

8 posted on 01/29/2013 5:53:19 AM PST by WilliamofCarmichael (If modern America's Man on Horseback is out there, Get on the damn horse already!)
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To: tbw2

This plan is the equal of coming home and finding some clown living in your home...you tell him to get out, he tells you adopt me so I can live off you for life. The police arrive and agree with the clown.


9 posted on 01/29/2013 5:56:33 AM PST by Mouton (108th MI Group.....68-71)
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To: All
Re: RE: Compton, California and other places..

I guess I should look at it from the perspective of Obama, McCain, et al.

We are not limited to being like Europe with respect to economics alone. We can be like them in many ways. For example,

No-Go Zones for Non-Muslims Multiplying All Over Europe

"Hispanic controlled zone. No English . . . ."

10 posted on 01/29/2013 6:11:11 AM PST by WilliamofCarmichael (If modern America's Man on Horseback is out there, Get on the damn horse already!)
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To: jimbo123
The clown is just setting the stage for his later speech about how he had to do this on his own with an EO because the nasty uncooperative Republicans in the Congress wouldn't come along with bipartisan support.

Obama: "I Have An Obligation As President To Do What I Can Without" Congress
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2012/01/05/obama_i_have_an_obligation_as_president_to_do_what_i_can_without_congress.html
11 posted on 01/29/2013 6:22:35 AM PST by Cheerio (Barry Hussein Soetoro-0bama=The Complete Destruction of American Capitalism)
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To: jimbo123
OF course it will be more 'liberal'. Its all the democrats have to do when the GOP tries to play their game - just raise the progressive ante.

There is no limit to the amount of taxpayer funded goodies the democrat will promise a prospective voter.

The Stupid Party foiled again.

12 posted on 01/29/2013 6:23:27 AM PST by skeeter
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To: skeeter

Obama’s ONLY plan:

1. Let everyone have citizenship who can swim here, climb here, walk here, or fly here.
2. Immediately put them on welfare and keep them on it.
3. Require nothing in return.
4. Secure their votes. Forever.

Oh, and:
4. Become a dictator for life and ruin the once great USA. Turn it into a Tower of Babylon.


13 posted on 01/29/2013 6:37:34 AM PST by LibsRJerks
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To: LibsRJerks

The only question is can the GOP be so stupid, or do they hope to be able to compete in the America Obama is creating?


14 posted on 01/29/2013 6:42:49 AM PST by skeeter
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To: Venturer
Before Amnesty is even spoken about we should prove for one year that we can stop any more illegals from entering this country.

Absolutely and AMEN!!

If we do not, imagine the tsunami of illegals flowing into this country once they realize they can get amnesty. There will be a river of brown flowing over our southern border.

15 posted on 01/29/2013 6:57:44 AM PST by upchuck (America's at an awkward stage. Too late to work within the system, too early to shoot the bastards.)
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To: jimbo123

So the GOP slides dramatically to the Left to embrace the Democrats’ immigration plan, and then Obama moves the goal posts even further to the Left on them.

Yeah, that sounds about right.


16 posted on 01/29/2013 7:01:58 AM PST by Buckeye McFrog
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To: jimbo123; l8pilot; 2A Patriot; 2nd amendment mama; 4everontheRight; 77Jimmy; ...
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Please notice the complete lack of any of our Rep's names in the RINO list in reply #1. Kinda cool!

17 posted on 01/29/2013 7:04:28 AM PST by upchuck (America's at an awkward stage. Too late to work within the system, too early to shoot the bastards.)
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To: jimbo123

And McCain, et al walked right into this trap.

The leftist ruin of America.


18 posted on 01/29/2013 7:04:40 AM PST by Williams (No Obama)
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To: jimbo123; l8pilot; 2A Patriot; 2nd amendment mama; 4everontheRight; 77Jimmy; ...
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Please notice the complete lack of any of our Rep's names in the RINO list in reply #1. Kinda cool!

19 posted on 01/29/2013 7:05:01 AM PST by upchuck (America's at an awkward stage. Too late to work within the system, too early to shoot the bastards.)
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To: jimbo123
The democrats are showing their superiority in both power and strategy. In the house they are seeking alignments with vulnerable and weak republicans. For instance Jeff Denham (R-Calif.) has a Mexican wife, so he is inclined to use that leverage within the Latino community to cement his ratings at home in California's central valley.

In the senate, they are playing Marco Rubio like a Walmart kazoo. There he was on Fox smiling away between two of the most deceitful members ever to serve in the senate, Chuck Schumer and Dick Durban. Marco wants acceptability to bolster his presidential ambitions and they will use him for their end while at the same time costing him conservative voters.

I wrote Rubio's office to ask him to smoke out the truth in this affort by trying to put into the bill that all people signing up for the pathway process must answer under oath whether they have ever voted in a US election. With vote fraud being a felony, my guess is the (D)s would oppose that element as being a pert of any legislation. This is not a path to citizenship. Nor, is it an effort for legitimate immigration reform. It is amnesty and voter registration for the DNC - nothing more.

20 posted on 01/29/2013 7:19:28 AM PST by Baynative (I'm reading a book about anti-gravity. I can't put it down.)
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To: Baynative

That’s why these RINOs need to be pressured by Conservates both inside and OUTSIDE of their districts. If your congressman isn’t a RINO, call the ones OUTSIDE your district instead!


21 posted on 01/29/2013 7:24:56 AM PST by jimbo123
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To: upchuck

Obama has no desire to stop the flow of potential welfare recipients into this country. His idea of amnesty is registering all of Mexico to vote for free stuff from the few million tax payers still left in this country...

When the money runs out Greece will look like utopia


22 posted on 01/29/2013 7:25:47 AM PST by longfellowsmuse (last of the living nomads)
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To: jimbo123
these kinds of reform face too much challenges from all around the country, doubt it will work
23 posted on 01/29/2013 7:45:54 AM PST by johnsondavid841
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To: ncalburt

This is a coordinated strategy between Bonner , mitchy, rove , Reid, Jeb , mccaishame, grahamnasty ,and the Obama drones !


Did you notice McConnell sending Sen. Sessions out as a sop to conservatives?

McConnell isn’t stopping this deal but too much opposition in the House. The deal will fall apart and we will have fiscal cliff fiasco 2.0: the dems voting it through the House with GOP “leadership” hiding under their desks. BOHICA.


24 posted on 01/29/2013 7:53:34 AM PST by lodi90
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To: Cheerio

Do you know that then-senator Obama cast the deciding vote AGAINST the immigration reform bill in 2007?

I don’t think he will actually pass his liberal bill - I think he made so unacceptable, on purpose, to ensure it remains an open issue - and he can blame the Republicans for ‘blocking’ his bill. Thus ensuring that more voters will vote against the Republicans, probably forever.

I also believe the same about his gay marriage lies. He wants that to remain open as well, another issue he can blame the Republicans for.

It really doesn’t matter which way the Republicans vote. If they support illegal amnesty, they alienate their own voters and the Dem voters will still be Dem votes.

If they support gay marriage, same thing. Their own voters will be alienated and the gays will still vote for the Dems.

It’s a win-win for Obama and the Republicans are unable to win no matter what they do.

I’m 66 and I don’t think I will see another Republican President in my lifetime.


25 posted on 01/29/2013 7:56:27 AM PST by SusaninOhio
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To: jimbo123

Previous voter registration is the key. Anyone who is against checking that and making it a deal breaker until charges are tried is lying about wanting fair immigration reform.


26 posted on 01/29/2013 8:02:28 AM PST by Baynative (I'm reading a book about anti-gravity. I can't put it down.)
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To: skeeter

"OF course it will be more 'liberal'. Its all the democrats have to do when the GOP tries to play their game - just raise the progressive ante."

Yep. This why Republicans will always lose the pandering game. They will never be able to match the goodies that the Dems can promise.

Plus, Obama's announcing his own, even further leftwing plan, in order to make the Senate "bipartisan" plan look "moderate" in comparison. He wants people to focus on his plan to try to get them to overlook the multitude of flaws with the Senate plan, so that the Senate plan can be the default in the end.

27 posted on 01/29/2013 8:10:04 AM PST by Qbert ("The best defense against usurpatory government is an assertive citizenry" - William F. Buckley, Jr.)
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To: CitizenUSA

So our national debt is 17 trillion, but we’re taking on a multi-trillion dollar health care bill, and then adding tens of millions of foreigners onto the free health care bill? What could possibly go wrong?


28 posted on 01/29/2013 8:15:23 AM PST by MNDude
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To: SusaninOhio

I don’t think he will actually pass his liberal bill - I think he made so unacceptable, on purpose, to ensure it remains an open issue - and he can blame the Republicans for ‘blocking’ his bill. Thus ensuring that more voters will vote against the Republicans, probably forever.


I think the Dems really want to get amnesty done this time. Huge Dem voting blocks in key places like FL and TX. FL will become a solid blue state with amnesty and Dem GOTV.

The dims won’t get a better time to push it through since the GOP thinks they have our votes locked up due to gun control. It’s going to happen, now.


29 posted on 01/29/2013 8:18:10 AM PST by lodi90
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To: Baynative

Baynative: “It is amnesty and voter registration for the DNC - nothing more.”

And that is exactly why the Obama immigration plan is to #1 NOT secure the border as a precondition and #2 speed up the amnesty process.


30 posted on 01/29/2013 8:41:49 AM PST by CitizenUSA (Why celebrate evil? Evil is easy. Good is the goal worth striving for.)
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Buy Votes & Collaborate with Enemies

“I won! I will be More Flexible!”

Long ago George Washington, Thomas Jefferson, John Adams, Benjamin Franklin and many other Founding Fathers warned that when the “greedy takers” - non-working voters exceed the number of productive citizens that the takers and corrupt politicians will start voting for bribes for themselves and bribing private companies to receive kickbacks

As America started increasing the numbers of voters certain special interest groups demanded that government give them everything they desired and more

That is what we now see in Washington DC and in our state capitals and our huge crime ridden bankrupt urban cities and chrony-capitalist companies run by politician’s relatives

President Dwight David Eisenhower gave us the same dire warnings too.

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31 posted on 01/29/2013 8:47:41 AM PST by devolve ( ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- ---Barak Hasan Obama II--- ---- ---- ---- ---- ----)
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To: MNDude

MNDude: “What could possibly go wrong?”

Why nothing of course. These are hard working undocumented immigrants who are doing the nasty jobs Americans won’t do. They’re also faithful Catholics, totally conservative, highly moral Christians who strongly support traditional family, respect the law, and can’t wait to join American conservatives. Plus, let us not forget that most of them have lived here so long they can’t remember anything about their home countries. They’re practically Americans already! It would be a crime against humanity to send them home to a place they don’t even know!

GAH!


32 posted on 01/29/2013 8:49:03 AM PST by CitizenUSA (Why celebrate evil? Evil is easy. Good is the goal worth striving for.)
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To: CitizenUSA
Is this so he can get his birth cert legalized, the real one? No the other real one? Okay no birther stuff, this is serious, what to do, another ex order? 30,000,000 more legals that were illegal will sink America with all the free stuff and lack of language skills.

And WHAT OF THOSE GOING AT BEING AND AMERICAN CITIZEN LEGALLY? I MEAN WHAT MESSAGE DOES THAT SEND TO THEM?

Gads, does this idiot ever think things through? Talk of shooting from the hip

33 posted on 01/29/2013 8:51:18 AM PST by Karliner ( Jeremiah 29:11, Romans 8:28- 8:38"...this is the end of the beginning."WC)
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To: Williams
"And McCain, et al walked right into this trap."


34 posted on 01/29/2013 9:00:58 AM PST by jpsb
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To: Karliner

Karliner: “Gads, does this idiot ever think things through?”

Well, that’s one theory. The other theory is he knows exactly what he’s doing. Personally? I think it’s the latter. Even if President Obama is himself an idiot, his advisers are not necessarily so. They have a plan. Remaking the USA with waves of newly amnestied, generally socialist immigrants is part of it.


35 posted on 01/29/2013 9:10:15 AM PST by CitizenUSA (Why celebrate evil? Evil is easy. Good is the goal worth striving for.)
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To: CitizenUSA

Last night I was watching Univision and they were talking about Amnesty. I couldnt understand much they were saying, but they kept showing children in Mexico crying saying “I miss my father”.

I guess their point was that families are being separated by the mean USA whenever an illegal succesfully makes it across the border but his family remains on the other side.


36 posted on 01/29/2013 9:24:09 AM PST by MNDude
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To: MNDude
I guess their point was that families are being separated by the mean USA whenever an illegal succesfully makes it across the border but his family remains on the other side.

Boo flippin' hoo. Why don't they (these dads) just stay in Meheeco and *demand* better wages/conditions? They can "be the change" for their homeland.

37 posted on 01/29/2013 9:29:36 AM PST by Jane Long
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To: CitizenUSA
"And that is exactly why the Obama immigration plan is to #1 NOT secure the border as a precondition and #2 speed up the amnesty process."

That's why I am writing congressional reps to urge that they include checking voter registration on all applicants.

Rush takes it even further by saying the bill should include that the amnesty include not voting for 25 years.

Democrat opposition would prove their insincerity.

38 posted on 01/29/2013 9:30:58 AM PST by Baynative (I'm reading a book about anti-gravity. I can't put it down.)
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To: Just Lori; Libertina; Lexinom; horatio; freebird5850; Horatio Gates; Ramius; HairOfTheDog; ...
WA Ping

Jamie Herrera Beutler (R-Wash.) is being targeted by democrats to vote for amnesty. She needs contacting.

NOTE: When contacting reps using their automated email link it is wise to copy one of their office addresses and zip code if you don't live in their district. Otherwise your message is filtered out. I learned this from an office staffer in DeeCee.

39 posted on 01/29/2013 9:49:50 AM PST by Baynative (I'm reading a book about anti-gravity. I can't put it down.)
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To: WilliamofCarmichael

That Shariah poster reminded me of the laugh I had trying to envision what it looked like at the Muslim Inaugural Ball for Obama last week. No, drinking, no music, no dancing ... how does that work at a ball?


40 posted on 01/29/2013 9:53:10 AM PST by Baynative (I'm reading a book about anti-gravity. I can't put it down.)
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To: jimbo123
Obama to announce his immigration reform plan, said to be more liberal than Senate effort

Well, duh.

I mean, Obama's never going to propose anything that has a prayer of passing, because he wants to just use it as a brush to paint the GOP as unreasonable obstructionists, while a more "moderate" proposal actually comes from the legislators.

So, to do that, he's going to take the intended proposal and veer hard left from it to ensure it won't pass, but that the intended bill looks more reasonable in comparison.

41 posted on 01/29/2013 9:57:22 AM PST by kevkrom (If a wise man has an argument with a foolish man, the fool only rages or laughs...)
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To: kevkrom
Obama to announce his immigration reform plan, said to be more liberal than Senate effort

That's the fallacy of all the leftists' "compromise" rhetoric - when their proposal is blatantly radical, the "compromise" solution always looks so much better, and their leader can then say the other side isn't willing to compromise if they reject the still leftist "compromise"..

Kind of like proposing to drive over the cliff at 100 mph and complaining that we're not willing to compromise and accept 50 mph.

42 posted on 01/29/2013 10:22:46 AM PST by jda ("Righteousness exalts a nation . . .")
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To: jimbo123

Of course Obama wants these illegals to get amnesty..its the only way to keep permanent control..11 million new DemoCRAP voters equals Obama as President for life..does the GOP think for one second that they will get ANY illegal alien votes by giving them citizenship..WAKE UP GOP they will NEVER vote for you


43 posted on 01/29/2013 10:43:28 AM PST by Sarah Barracuda
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To: Venturer; DungeonMaster
Before Amnesty is even spoken about we should prove for one year that we can stop any more illegals from entering this country.

NO WAY any Democrat should want to secure the border and slow the influx of Democrat voters. This is all part of the Democrat master plan to get the takers to outnumber the makers, achieve and strengthen a Democrat voters majority, and enjoy perpetual Democrat party control.

Plus, this is really just the latest installment of illegal aliens suffrage. Whenever suffrage is on the table, anyone from either party who votes AGAINST it risks political suicide by alienating the target voting bloc now and forevermore, should it pass without their vote.

At times like this, I tend to agree with the term limits crowd. Career politicians are more apt to put their self-interest ahead of the nation.

44 posted on 01/29/2013 12:19:04 PM PST by newgeezer (It is [the people's] right and duty to be at all times armed. --Thomas Jefferson, 1824)
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To: jimbo123

....guess we shouldn’t have given our nation to these guys.

Oh well.

Go pay your taxes. The new neighbors are sure going to need the money. :)


45 posted on 01/29/2013 1:16:26 PM PST by Tzimisce (The American Revolution began when the British attempted to disarm the Colonists.)
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To: jimbo123

Do the math, folks.

According to the Pew Hispanic Center:

First generation Hispanics vote 80% for the Democrat Party.

According to the Census Bureau:

Each new citizen “imports” 2.1 new family members within ten years.

Amnesty - in ANY form - means the political death of American Conservatism.


46 posted on 01/29/2013 1:25:17 PM PST by zeestephen
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To: jimbo123

Why do I have to comply with Obamacare? It’s unpopular law that no one wants.

Why do I have to obey speed laws? They obviously don’t work.


47 posted on 01/29/2013 1:25:31 PM PST by Tzimisce (The American Revolution began when the British attempted to disarm the Colonists.)
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To: All

This is their MO. place a pile of crap on a plate and a pile of crap between two slices of bread and ask people which one they will be eating today..

But elections have consequences.


48 posted on 01/29/2013 1:33:19 PM PST by newnhdad (Our new motto: USA, it was fun while it lasted.)
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To: Baynative

I know it will be pushed upon us so I am writing my Congresscritters and asking for picture ID for voting...
Might as well get something out of this fiasco.


49 posted on 01/29/2013 1:40:18 PM PST by jch10 (Hey GOP! Only Conservatives get my vote.)
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To: jimbo123

I haven’t seen anyone comment on the irony of our congresscritters falling all over themselves to grant amnesty to millions of criminals in this country while at the same time proposing to turn millions of law abiding patriotic gun owners into criminals . . . .


50 posted on 01/29/2013 2:18:54 PM PST by Conservative_Rob
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