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New York Gun Owners Flip the Bird to "Assault Weapons" Registration Law
Reason.com ^ | Jan. 25, 2013 | J.D. Tuccille

Posted on 01/26/2013 3:25:52 PM PST by Daffynition

New York Governor Cuomo the Junior may have rushed through his new gun control law with such speed that police will avoid its restrictions only through the blessed miracle of selective enforcement, but he may have a little trouble getting the state's firearms owners to attend his party. The new law requires owners of those scary-looking rifles known as "assault weapons" to register their property (amidst assurances that, oh no, the registration lists will never be used for confiscation), but gun rights activists are actively urging gun owners to defy the new mandate.

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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Government; US: New York
KEYWORDS: 2damendment; awb; banglist; ct; cuomo; guncontrol; police; secondamendment
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**Couldn't they have made the law more workable by just re**

Mr Cuomo II, back away

1 posted on 01/26/2013 3:26:00 PM PST by Daffynition
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**Couldn’t they have made the law more workable by just requiring that criminals register their guns?**


2 posted on 01/26/2013 3:27:40 PM PST by Daffynition (The essential American soul is hard, isolate, stoic, and a killer. It has never yet melted. — D.H.)
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To: Daffynition

Good, start going door to door in the hoods to see how far they get with forced registration! ;-)


3 posted on 01/26/2013 3:31:38 PM PST by Average Al
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To: Daffynition

The resistance talk is all huffing and puffing, the Assault weapons ban in NJ had almost 100% compliance, the newer CT restrictions has near 100% compliance by the law abiding taxpaying c**k sucking citizenry.

Holder is going to give the law enforcement organizations in NY State, local , county, regional, state, full access to the entire NICS registration system going back to the beginning of the system.

Every registered owner of a “assault weapon” is going to be tracked down.

The Canadians only failed in their long gun registry program due to the lack of a NICS type system, their neighbors in NY lost this war through millions of papercuts.


4 posted on 01/26/2013 3:32:39 PM PST by JerseyHighlander
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To: Daffynition
Yeah, do NOT buy the government's "stamps"!!!!!

Remind anyone of anything?......

5 posted on 01/26/2013 3:34:18 PM PST by jeffc (The U.S. media are our enemy)
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To: JerseyHighlander

How could one determine the level of compliance unless you had the list to begin with? That makes no sense. Seems that your 100% figure is being pulled out of your butt. Canada, Australia and others think compliance is/was under 70%, but no way to know for sure.


6 posted on 01/26/2013 3:35:22 PM PST by steve86 (Acerbic by Nature, not Nurture™)
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To: Daffynition

Make no mistake this sharing of NICS data is a coordinated situation between NY State anti-gun pols/special interest groups and the national Democrat Executive bureaucracy/anti-gun interest groups in the Executive branch.


7 posted on 01/26/2013 3:35:22 PM PST by JerseyHighlander
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To: JerseyHighlander

Jersey isn’t New York.


8 posted on 01/26/2013 3:38:24 PM PST by NoGrayZone (For evil to triumph it is only necessary for good men to do nothing.)
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To: Daffynition
Here is a snippet from an letter the Sheriff of my county submitted to Gov Andy. "Reduction of ammunition magazine capacity. The new law enacts reductions in the maximum capacity of gun magazines. We believe based on our years of law enforcement experience that this will not reduce gun violence. The new law will unfairly limit the ability of law‐abiding citizens to purchase firearms in New York. It bears repeating that it is our belief that the reduction of magazine capacity will not make New Yorkers or our communities safer." and "Assault weapon ban and definition of assault weapons. We believe that the new definition of assault weapons is too broad, and prevents the possession of many weapons that are legitimately used for hunting, target shooting and self defense. Classifying firearms as assault weapons because of one arbitrary feature effectively deprives people the right to possess firearms which have never before been designated as assault weapons. We are convinced that only law abiding gun owners will be affected by these new provisions, while criminals will still have and use whatever weapons they want."
9 posted on 01/26/2013 3:41:36 PM PST by Dutch Boy
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To: Daffynition

Chuck Schumer sponsored the Bill that created NICS in 1993, he has spent his entire career preparing for this moment.

http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/bdquery/z?d103:HR01025:@@@S

Bill Summary & Status
103rd Congress (1993 - 1994)
H.R.1025
All Congressional Actions with Amendments

H.R.1025
Latest Title: Brady Handgun Violence Prevention Act
Sponsor: Rep Schumer, Charles E. [NY-9] (introduced 2/22/1993) Cosponsors (155)
Related Bills: H.RES.302, H.RES.322, H.R.277, H.R.3268, S.414
Latest Major Action: 11/30/1993 Became Public Law No: 103-159.


10 posted on 01/26/2013 3:42:44 PM PST by JerseyHighlander
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To: Daffynition

One little thing the gun grabbers have overlooked is the vast majority of guns in this country have never required registration.


11 posted on 01/26/2013 3:43:36 PM PST by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: JerseyHighlander

Difference is you people, stuck in some weirdo world, gave in. We will not.


12 posted on 01/26/2013 3:45:03 PM PST by NoGrayZone (For evil to triumph it is only necessary for good men to do nothing.)
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To: Daffynition

13 posted on 01/26/2013 3:45:13 PM PST by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: jeffc
Q. Can anything less than a military force carry the Stamp Act into execution?

A. I do not see how a military force can be applied to that purpose.

Q. Why may it not?

A. Suppose a military force sent into America; they will find nobody in arms; what are they then to do? They cannot force a man to take stamps who chooses to do without them. They will not find a rebellion; they may indeed make one.


Benjamin Franklin, Testimony Against the Stamp Act (1766)
14 posted on 01/26/2013 3:47:19 PM PST by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: cripplecreek

Every NICS check created a de facto registration as of this week, AG Holder is making the entirety of the NICS archive immediately available to NY State Law Enforcement.

Every person who submitted a long arm NICS check since NICS went live in 1998, is going to see a form letter sent backed up by the threat of execution by the local SWAT team.

The Coumo family has proven time and time again over the last 6 decades they don’t give a shit about the plebs in the state. Coumo is going to force his own Waco just so he and Schumer have something to talk about over drinks in their retirement years in Florida.


15 posted on 01/26/2013 3:52:23 PM PST by JerseyHighlander
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To: Daffynition
What the cops should be saying is we aren't giving up OUR guns either and we're on the side of the citizens. If you corrupt political hacks have got the stones to come and take them, go for it. If you send your agents to take our guns by force, you will receive the same response British General Gage's troops received at Lexington and Concord, MA on 19 April 1775. “Molon Labe”, Gov. Cuomo and Mayor Bloomberg.
16 posted on 01/26/2013 3:55:45 PM PST by MasterGunner01
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To: MasterGunner01

The cops I know ARE saying that. (And I know a LOT of cops.)

Regards,


17 posted on 01/26/2013 4:00:16 PM PST by VermiciousKnid (Sic narro nos totus!)
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To: JerseyHighlander

A simple way to get around such trick is to sell the NY purchased gun to an out of stater and buy one for cash. Ends the paper trail and the NCIS registration fails. For that matter sell it and buy it back for cash.

What you are also forgetting is the sheer number of those who are refusing to register them. There are not enough police nor prisons to handle that many people.


18 posted on 01/26/2013 4:00:36 PM PST by Mechanicos (When did we amend the Constitution for a 2nd Federal Prohibition?)
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To: JerseyHighlander

And still the vast majority of weapons in this country have never required registration or a background check.


19 posted on 01/26/2013 4:02:44 PM PST by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: JerseyHighlander; cripplecreek

Why don’t you just surrender to them already. Oh wait, Jersey, you already did.

DO NOT dictate to others as to what you have already done.


20 posted on 01/26/2013 4:05:42 PM PST by NoGrayZone (For evil to triumph it is only necessary for good men to do nothing.)
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To: Daffynition

Obviously, criminals will not register their guns, and that is the intention of this law. They deliberately and intentionally want to take guns from honest, non-violent civilized people and leave them in the hands of violent criminals. They do this will full awareness and intent.

To enable the “downtrodden, oppressed, victimized” to waltz in and take what is “rightfully” theirs from the evil “oppressors.”


21 posted on 01/26/2013 4:05:42 PM PST by I want the USA back
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To: VermiciousKnid

That’s a very good sign, but the cops need to make sure this is made public. The line in the sand has to be drawn and the political hacks have to be grabbed hard by the balls. [When you’ve got them by the balls, their hearts and minds will follow.]

The next thing is the political hacks vote to rescind this stupid law, or they get to “sleep with the fishes”.


22 posted on 01/26/2013 4:06:03 PM PST by MasterGunner01
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To: JerseyHighlander

Correct. Why risk jail with non compliance? I think the Coumo and the coming Ct gun regs will spur a migration to red states.


23 posted on 01/26/2013 4:11:05 PM PST by y6162
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To: NoGrayZone

Talking to some neighbors today and it appears that a lot of guns were lost in the storm.

Its tragic really.


24 posted on 01/26/2013 4:12:56 PM PST by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: Average Al
Good, start going door to door in the hoods to see how far they get with forced registration! ;-)

Only white folk gotsta give em up.
25 posted on 01/26/2013 4:13:09 PM PST by crosshairs (All we are saying, is give a high cap piece a chance.)
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To: cripplecreek

Sandy was terrible! A lot of people lost everything. Such a shame.


26 posted on 01/26/2013 4:15:05 PM PST by NoGrayZone (For evil to triumph it is only necessary for good men to do nothing.)
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To: JerseyHighlander
The Canadians only failed in their long gun registry program due to the lack of a NICS type system

It "failed" at one point because it was a liberal government that imposed it. Once the conservatives (adults) took over, the long gun registry was abolished. That's what you have to do, elect a conservative government. (I know, easier said than done).

27 posted on 01/26/2013 4:18:30 PM PST by Dartman
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To: MasterGunner01
>>What the cops should be saying is we aren't giving up OUR guns either and we're on the side of the citizens.<<

The cops are not going to jeopardize their chushy pensions padded w/OT and seniority. Not in NY, Cali or CT. [As much as I wish it were so, based on their oath to defend the Constitution.]


28 posted on 01/26/2013 4:25:27 PM PST by Daffynition (The essential American soul is hard, isolate, stoic, and a killer. It has never yet melted. — D.H.)
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To: NoGrayZone
Sandy was terrible! A lot of people lost everything. Such a shame.

No kidding even Michigan guns were washed away in that storm.
29 posted on 01/26/2013 4:28:48 PM PST by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: I want the USA back

I was trying to *make light* of this hideous situation. If laws were enough to deter criminal behavior prisons would be empty.

As far as criminals our governor, Emeperor Malloy released 3000 convicted felons last month....to save money for the overcrowded prison. These were murderers, rapists, violent offenders etc. 2 citizens have died at the hands of these scum.


30 posted on 01/26/2013 4:31:40 PM PST by Daffynition (The essential American soul is hard, isolate, stoic, and a killer. It has never yet melted. — D.H.)
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To: JerseyHighlander

Nice try, clown, but no cigar. You don’t much about Jersey, do you?


31 posted on 01/26/2013 4:33:12 PM PST by Silentgypsy (If you love your freedom, thank a vet.)
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To: Travis McGee
Americans never give up your guns
32 posted on 01/26/2013 4:36:29 PM PST by Daffynition (The essential American soul is hard, isolate, stoic, and a killer. It has never yet melted. — D.H.)
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To: cripplecreek

That was one damn big perfect storm. Oh the humanity!


33 posted on 01/26/2013 4:37:38 PM PST by NoGrayZone (For evil to triumph it is only necessary for good men to do nothing.)
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To: Daffynition

Beadie eyed son of sfachime, HUD secretary and one of the root causes of the housing market collapse and the elitist billionaire 16 oz salt free smoke free and trans fat free douchberg would not dare go into urban areas and confiscate illegal guns for fear of not coming out alive besides they are not at all interested in thier guns, THIER THREAT IS US. we stand in the way of thier agenda to control us by disarming us and handing the control mechanisms to the UN and the international criminals. During the muslim rioting in britain these poor bastrads were on line buying baseball bats to protect themselves. When we loose our guns we loose the country. This must never happen here!


34 posted on 01/26/2013 4:40:14 PM PST by ronnie raygun ( Lexington / Concord, America's first gun grab attempt)
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To: JerseyHighlander
Every person who submitted a long arm NICS check since NICS went live in 1998

1998 isn't that long ago. I'll bet lotsa people don't appear there. At the same time, the millions upon millions bought since then are also too many to chase down, especially given a half-hearted constabulary with limited numbers and a limited amount of funds with which to pay them. I'm not saying there aren't dangers. On the contrary. I therefore think it's most important for us to be aware of our strategic advantages, and to consider how to maximize and expand them.

Some folks on the thread seem to take surrender as a foregone conclusion, and apparently, a plan. I think that's unwise.

35 posted on 01/26/2013 4:52:50 PM PST by SamuraiScot
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To: Daffynition
ex post facto....already decided that it is unconstitutional.

You can't make criminals out of existing owners.

36 posted on 01/26/2013 4:58:21 PM PST by Sacajaweau
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To: SamuraiScot

I live in NYS and I hate it. This place has gone communist.


37 posted on 01/26/2013 4:59:12 PM PST by GlockThe Vote (The Obama Adminstration: 2nd wave of attacks on America after 9/11)
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To: cripplecreek

Exactly...and ex post facto is unconstitional.


38 posted on 01/26/2013 5:00:09 PM PST by Sacajaweau
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To: JerseyHighlander

Do you have any source for your claim? I understood the law forbids keeping any permanent record of federal background checks. If there is any “NCIS archive” going back to 1998, that would be a clear violation.


39 posted on 01/26/2013 5:03:46 PM PST by SoothingDave
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To: Daffynition
New York Governor Cuomo the Junior...

"Cuomo The Lesser" sounds more fitting to me.

40 posted on 01/26/2013 5:10:04 PM PST by Gay State Conservative ("Progressives" toss the word "racist" like chimps toss their feces.)
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To: I want the USA back

...which is straight from the communist manifesto. They let the hardened criminals out on the street. They disarm the citizenry. Those criminals attack a defenseless citizenry. The citizens demand that the government restrict any and all civil liberties in order to guarantee safety.


41 posted on 01/26/2013 5:12:29 PM PST by Ghost of Philip Marlowe (Prepare for survival.)
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To: JerseyHighlander

“Every registered owner of a “assault weapon” is going to be tracked down.”

And some of them WILL shoot back.
How many casualties are “acceptable” to enforce this law?


42 posted on 01/26/2013 5:15:59 PM PST by ctdonath2 (End of debate. Your move.)
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To: JerseyHighlander

Sorry, no. NICS automatically purges data every 24 hours, the only data immune from the daily purge is those checks that ran longer. Once a NICS check is complete, up OR down, it’s purged in the next 24-hour cycle.

How do I know this ?? I worked at the FBI Data Center where NICS is. They have monthly “purge audits”. . .


43 posted on 01/26/2013 5:16:53 PM PST by Salgak (Acme Lasers presents: The Energizer Border. I **DARE** you to cross it. . . .)
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To: Daffynition

44 posted on 01/26/2013 5:17:28 PM PST by CodeToad (Liberals are bloodsucking ticks. We need to light the matchstick to burn them off.)
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To: NoGrayZone

Jersey boys always talk with that stupid thug accent because that’s all they’ve got, an accent. They can only run to the end of their little pink chains and bark.


45 posted on 01/26/2013 5:20:24 PM PST by CodeToad (Liberals are bloodsucking ticks. We need to light the matchstick to burn them off.)
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To: Daffynition
singalong
46 posted on 01/26/2013 5:26:35 PM PST by bigheadfred
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To: CodeToad
They can only run to the end of their little pink chains and bark.

LOL I don't have any problems with people in Joisey but that there is funny, I don't care who ya are.
47 posted on 01/26/2013 5:31:01 PM PST by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: Mechanicos

I don’t register or ask permission for anything. Let them track me. My goober peas and jolly ranchers don’t go without a fight.


48 posted on 01/26/2013 5:32:03 PM PST by eyedigress ((zOld storm chaser from the west)/?)
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To: Daffynition

I guess they don’t need nor want a nanny?


49 posted on 01/26/2013 5:32:11 PM PST by ImJustAnotherOkie (zerogottago)
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To: JerseyHighlander

“.....entire Nics registration system....”

OK there’s a law against any registration system (I think its called the volkmer law).

And the nics only has names of those who are felons, mental cases, etc., who are PRESENTLY NOT ALLOWED to buy. When the nics check is done, the prospective buyers’ info is what is entered against the main list.

If there’s a match and they need to check more to rule it out, then its delayed (if it goes beyond 3 days they let sale proceed).

Nowhere is the information stored on the prospective gun buyer in the NICS system.

The only place its stored permanently is on the form 4473 that stays with the FFL dealer that it was bought from.(very rarely will batfe guys come in & copy; at most they LOOK).

So no such thing as NICS registration of purchasers.

If there is, then a big fat class action LAWSUIT is in order.


50 posted on 01/26/2013 5:34:30 PM PST by WildHighlander57 ((WildHighlander57 returning after lurking since 2000))
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