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**Couldn't they have made the law more workable by just re**

Mr Cuomo II, back away

1 posted on 01/26/2013 3:26:00 PM PST by Daffynition
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**Couldn’t they have made the law more workable by just requiring that criminals register their guns?**


2 posted on 01/26/2013 3:27:40 PM PST by Daffynition (The essential American soul is hard, isolate, stoic, and a killer. It has never yet melted. — D.H.)
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Good, start going door to door in the hoods to see how far they get with forced registration! ;-)


3 posted on 01/26/2013 3:31:38 PM PST by Average Al
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The resistance talk is all huffing and puffing, the Assault weapons ban in NJ had almost 100% compliance, the newer CT restrictions has near 100% compliance by the law abiding taxpaying c**k sucking citizenry.

Holder is going to give the law enforcement organizations in NY State, local , county, regional, state, full access to the entire NICS registration system going back to the beginning of the system.

Every registered owner of a “assault weapon” is going to be tracked down.

The Canadians only failed in their long gun registry program due to the lack of a NICS type system, their neighbors in NY lost this war through millions of papercuts.


4 posted on 01/26/2013 3:32:39 PM PST by JerseyHighlander
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Yeah, do NOT buy the government's "stamps"!!!!!

Remind anyone of anything?......

5 posted on 01/26/2013 3:34:18 PM PST by jeffc (The U.S. media are our enemy)
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Make no mistake this sharing of NICS data is a coordinated situation between NY State anti-gun pols/special interest groups and the national Democrat Executive bureaucracy/anti-gun interest groups in the Executive branch.


7 posted on 01/26/2013 3:35:22 PM PST by JerseyHighlander
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Chuck Schumer sponsored the Bill that created NICS in 1993, he has spent his entire career preparing for this moment.

http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/bdquery/z?d103:HR01025:@@@S

Bill Summary & Status
103rd Congress (1993 - 1994)
H.R.1025
All Congressional Actions with Amendments

H.R.1025
Latest Title: Brady Handgun Violence Prevention Act
Sponsor: Rep Schumer, Charles E. [NY-9] (introduced 2/22/1993) Cosponsors (155)
Related Bills: H.RES.302, H.RES.322, H.R.277, H.R.3268, S.414
Latest Major Action: 11/30/1993 Became Public Law No: 103-159.


10 posted on 01/26/2013 3:42:44 PM PST by JerseyHighlander
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One little thing the gun grabbers have overlooked is the vast majority of guns in this country have never required registration.


11 posted on 01/26/2013 3:43:36 PM PST by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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13 posted on 01/26/2013 3:45:13 PM PST by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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What the cops should be saying is we aren't giving up OUR guns either and we're on the side of the citizens. If you corrupt political hacks have got the stones to come and take them, go for it. If you send your agents to take our guns by force, you will receive the same response British General Gage's troops received at Lexington and Concord, MA on 19 April 1775. “Molon Labe”, Gov. Cuomo and Mayor Bloomberg.
16 posted on 01/26/2013 3:55:45 PM PST by MasterGunner01
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Obviously, criminals will not register their guns, and that is the intention of this law. They deliberately and intentionally want to take guns from honest, non-violent civilized people and leave them in the hands of violent criminals. They do this will full awareness and intent.

To enable the “downtrodden, oppressed, victimized” to waltz in and take what is “rightfully” theirs from the evil “oppressors.”


21 posted on 01/26/2013 4:05:42 PM PST by I want the USA back
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ex post facto....already decided that it is unconstitutional.

You can't make criminals out of existing owners.

36 posted on 01/26/2013 4:58:21 PM PST by Sacajaweau
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New York Governor Cuomo the Junior...

"Cuomo The Lesser" sounds more fitting to me.

40 posted on 01/26/2013 5:10:04 PM PST by Gay State Conservative ("Progressives" toss the word "racist" like chimps toss their feces.)
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44 posted on 01/26/2013 5:17:28 PM PST by CodeToad (Liberals are bloodsucking ticks. We need to light the matchstick to burn them off.)
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singalong
46 posted on 01/26/2013 5:26:35 PM PST by bigheadfred
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I guess they don’t need nor want a nanny?


49 posted on 01/26/2013 5:32:11 PM PST by ImJustAnotherOkie (zerogottago)
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One of our local state reps was on the radio for over an hour last Thursday and he said he had read the original bill which called for registration of all guns be they hand guns, rifles, shot guns, and in 5 years the end result was to be CONFISCATION.

That had to be backed out so they could take the giant leap to get more guns registered but you can bet your life (in fact you may have to) that the CONFISCATION will be introduced again in the not to distant future in NY.


54 posted on 01/26/2013 5:48:52 PM PST by Wurlitzer (Nothing says "ignorance" like Islam!)
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They don’t have to go door to door. With the law in place, they can just wait things out...if they want to. So yes, you might be able to hang on to your gun...but consider:

1) If you use it in self-defense, you go to jail - just like the Brits do now for raising a butter knife at a rapist.

2) Don’t even think of taking it to the range.

3) If it’s stolen and then turns up in crime, you better have a good story to explain that you didn’t have recent (i.e., illegal) possession of it.

4) If it’s stolen and the gun turns up with your other stolen junk...you might just be out of luck.

So maybe you can hang on to it...but it won’t be too useful.


61 posted on 01/26/2013 6:51:55 PM PST by BobL
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(from 1999)

More from Down Under:
Government Gun Control Monumental Failure

California is about to suffer an anti-gun assault of epic proportions. Well intended elected officials are about to do fatal harm to the republic they are supposed to serve. Public safety will be endangered because of political hubris. Facts which contradict their preconceived (ill conceived) opinions will be ignored, and people will die.

I have received some interesting e-mail in the wake of my last column regarding the monumental failure of the Australian government’s gun ban. One of the most interesting follows:

Dear Sir,

I found your web site and was very interested in your reports. In particular, the latest Australian crime stats regarding firearms. You seem to be extremely well informed on events external to the United States, and as dissemination of information is critical so those of us who still remember what freedom of the 1950’s and 60’s was really like, I have attached an item below regarding the failed attempt to reduce crime by disarming this country’s law abiding citizens and patriots under the pretext of the gun buy scheme. Just in case you haven’t see this.

Cheers,
Ross Darben

He included an article from the Queensland The Sunday Mail, titled “Buyback blamed for illegal trade” by a Chris Grifith dated January 24, 1999. I have rewritten Grifith’s piece and added to it.

Grifith writes “THE $500 million national gun buy-back scheme has failed, Queensland’s foremost police weapons expert says. “This report mirrors the flood of communication I have received from Australia and elsewhere in support of my earlier column. He quotes an Inspector John McCoomb as saying the new government gun laws have served as a catalyst to solidify the underground market. Inspector McCoomb is quoted as saying “Once they’re on the black market, they’re there for anyone to buy.”

I have asked dozens of Australian groups to provide me with some insight into the level of non-compliance. We know from first hand observation that the Roberti-Roos assault weapon ban in California was mostly form, and very little substance. Long on perception.....short on reality. Californians did not comply. As a result, it is unknown how many law biding Californians are now state created shake and bake outlaws”. Inspector McCoomb, who heads the Australian Weapons Licensing Branch said Australians had handed in only a fraction of the weapons in the community. Gee that sounds familiar.

It was (and is) impossible to accurately calculate how many guns there were/are in Australia. Just like it is impossible to calculate the number of illegal aliens in California. However, the 643,000 (Australian guns) that were turned in, was chump change....... it “was a mere fraction of just two brands of now illegal guns in the country.”

http://www.calnews.com/archives/Metcalf13.htm

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So it was actually less than 20%.

Is some dark dusty corner of the Internet is a page that talks about the final results of the California SKS confiscation “demands.”

End result was about six percent compliance. Another number that comes to mind is there were about 350 SKS’s turned in for the $230.00 “buyback.”

Keep in mind that the SKS at that time was around $100.00 and with some odd modifications AR-15’s were ok to keep.

Yet about 94% of Californians “just said NO.”

http://www.saf.org/pub/rkba/gt-report/gt-report_059.html

http://thefiringline.com/forums/showthread.php?t=24653

http://www.thefreelibrary.com/BUYBACK+PROGRAM+FOR+CERTAIN+SKS+SPORTER+RIFLES+TO+END+FRIDAY.-a083632814

http://thefiringline.com/forums/showthread.php?t=24201

Invariably, registration leads to confiscation. Why anyone falls for the “we won’t confiscate” BS is beyond me, it is worse than Charley Brown and Lucie’s football.

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BTW, if ANYONE can find that data on the FINAL results of the California SKS ban I would very much appreciate a link. I recall it was from around 2002 or so.


62 posted on 01/26/2013 7:25:59 PM PST by TLI ( ITINERIS IMPENDEO VALHALLA)
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Note to any New Yorkers who might be thinking of caching their weapons and ammo: Do it in a place you can get a backhoe to. They could be in the ground for years (like 18 in one Californian’s case) and you ain’t gettin’ any younger.


68 posted on 01/27/2013 12:15:19 AM PST by InABunkerUnderSF (Because 2 terms with Jerry Brown as Governor was all I could take.)
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selective enforcement

I fear many have missed the progressive's point in passing new laws. It is not to enforce the law as you may think. It is to use the law selectively against outspoken opponents of the progressive agenda.

The Liberals, Progressives, Democrats, and other socialist agendas now have enough laws to detain virtually anyone on the suspicion of a crime. It may be as innocuous as owning the means of producing a chemical weapon by having Clorox and Ammonia in your home.

In some sense, it is similar to the religion of Judaism. Judaism created so many laws, rules, and regulations that not a single Jew can abide by them all so all are guilty.

A good lesson to learn when the government is corrupted is not to judge the government by what it will do, judge the government by what it can do.

To love’s one’s country is patriot, to trust one’s government is just plain foolish. America’s greatest threat is ignorance.

74 posted on 01/27/2013 6:10:30 AM PST by MosesKnows
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