Skip to comments.Top psychiatrist: Meds behind school massacres
Posted on 01/23/2013 2:45:57 AM PST by cricket
Interesting article and conclusions per 'chicken/egg' antidote/warning from London based, Dr.David Healy:
[I predict then the outcome of more school screenings for mental illness will be more mass killings, even if the guns are taken away and the mass killings are not done with guns.]
(Excerpt) Read more at wnd.com ...
In an exclusive in-person interview in New York City with WND, London-based Dr. David Healy criticized pharmaceutical companies that have made billions of dollars marketing Selective Serotonin Reuptake Inhibitors, known as SSRIs.
Psychotropic drugs prescribed for school children cause violent behavior, Healy stated.
Healy insisted the problem today is that doctors working with schools to control the behavior of children are inclined to prescribe SSRI drugs without serious consideration of adverse consequences.
We are giving drugs to children who are passing through critical development stages, and as a society we are really conducting a vast experiment and no one really knows what the outcome of that will be.
WND contended that putting more mental illness screening into schools would actually increase the incidence of school shootings, not reduce the violence.
He sees a propaganda campaign being conducted in the
If school children are screened for mental illness problems, this presumably will lead more medical doctors to put more students on more pills, he said.
SSRI drugs covered in the sortable database include Prozac (fluoxetine), Zoloft (sertraline), Paxil (paroxetine), Celexa (citalopram), Lexapro (escitalopram) and Luvox (fluvoxamine).
Read more at http://www.wnd.com/2013/01/top-psychiatrist-meds-behind-school-massacres/#avpr5XAst41OXpay.
Of course, the Liberal MSM will not cover the possible mental illness/pychiatric drug issue with Lanza
And you can be sure the usual “You’re a liar if you deny Sandy Hook didn’t happen” and/or “WND is WorldNutDaily” posts will come soon from our esteemed PhonyCon Liberal friends who will take a few minutes away from their “Teen Mom” marathon on MTV to chime in on this
Turned out that my extreme fatigue and lethargy was not due to depression, but a hormonal imbalance and low-grade infection from an ovarian tumor.
Medicine will continue to be a hit-and-miss sport unless doctors endeavor to treat the source of an illness instead its symptoms.
I worked in an Air Force help desk atmosphere back around ten years ago. We had a young female IT airman arrive...who had bizarre behavior and I (a retired NCO and a contractor) questioned how she could hold a security clearance. After a month or two...it was common knowledge that she was being given the maximum amount of Prozac per her weight.
For two years, I watched incident after incident that should lead people to question her stability. A new boss of hers decides to use her weight problems and put her out of service. That was the only way that she was going away....otherwise, she would still be around today.
My general opinion is that either the Prozac pushed her along to do a lot of stupid things, or it kept her from doing even more things. Either way....she should not have been around.
This meds game....I think....is jeopardizing the public into believing that nutty people can be made safe via some drugs. I just don’t believe it anymore.
I think an awful lot, perhaps too much, of most Doctors’ continuing education comes not from reading journals and papers, but from the drug company representatives that come round to see them frequently (with scads of sample pills to boot).
A nation of kids living on the planet Miranda.
Another failed progressive idea.
Is your child a latent Reever?
Does anybody know?
these kids arent crazy because of what they take, they are crazy because of what they dont have
God Fearing parents
A Church that teaches about sin and the Savior instead of save the whales or civil rights or gays are normal
What they lack is a Christ centered home, what they get is online porn, video game violence, fast food meals, constant liberal indoctrination, and false religious teachingthat all religions are the same
There is a cure, and it is found in the Bible, found in Jesus Christ.
That’s funny, when we had families going to Church every Sunday instead of little league or soccer or the big game...we didn’t have these fears, did we...
“If school children are screened for mental illness problems, this presumably will lead more medical doctors to put more students on more pills, he said.”
You mean those doctors who have their office decorated ceiling to floor with the names of their favorite drugs? oh no they are only going to give the drugs to people who need them. /s
The SSRI’s are not the only problem. The real problem is the atypical antipsychotics. If you look at all the drug company settlements, they pay off the parties suing them and admit no guilt. Then they just keep on selling them.
One side effect that people don’t realize is that SSRI’s block a person’s ability to pray. I work with people teaching them how to meditate, which is really just extensive prayer. I perform a simple test to demonstrate to an individual the effect of their change in perception as a result of their prayer. It’s like taking the tuning knob off the radio and saying “This is the only station you can listen to!”
People who are on the SSRI’s do not have the ability to change their consciousness up or down. The same drugs that blocks an individual’s ability to fall to lower levels and experience the depression or overwhelming fear also blocks a person’s ability to raise their consciousness toward experiencing the joy of the higher realms in prayer and meditation.
List of atypical antipsychotics
The following are approved and marketed in various parts of the world:
Sulpiride (Sulpirid, Eglonyl)
Ziprasidone (Geodon, Zeldox)
Do SSRI’s have a safe and legitimate, therapeutic role, in half of the psychiatric cases? for which they are prescribed? In 1/10 of them? In any of them? Does anybody know?
Several years ago I was terribly depressed; or, so it seemed. Turns out I was exhausted which led to depression. I dont have an ounce of fat and no matter how badly I felt I worked out, as it seemed to make me feel better. I was given SSRIs and they helped considerably. But the underlying problem wasnt diagnosed because sleep apnea is generally found in fat people. I have a six pack. Finally, a doctor who had sleep apnea suggested a sleep study. I was spending seconds a night in RIM; the sleep you must get to feel rested. With a CPAP and sleep drugs, I no longer needed the SSRIs.
The downside of the SSRIs is they do lead to bizarre behavior and thoughts. Fortunately, I was mature and naturally very calm. I developed a habit of thinking through everything I was about to say or do and was able to perform at a high level in a high stress job. But Id have done better without the SSRIs. Incidentally, they have what is euphemistically referred to as certain sexual side effects. These side effects are annoying, to say the least. Im so glad the problem turned out not to be depression. Depression was just a symptom. And, Im guessing that depression is only a symptom of other underlying causes in the bulk of SSRI users. The problem is that it takes a lot of effort to determine what the underlying cause is so, its easier to treat the symptom.
One of the problems with the drugs is that they block the growth of consciousness through the normal stages of development. If you give a child who is experiencing their “terrible two’s” a drug to block the symptoms, it creates a void in the developmental foundation necessary for healthy psychological growth later in life.
Note: The stage of growth experienced by a child during their “terrible two’s” is a separation from the strong dependency upon their mother. If a younger sibling is born before the older child goes through this stage, the older child will experience abandonment issues as they feel their mother is taken from them, or they are rejected by their mother, rather than making a healthy growth separation.
“Do SSRI’s hace a safe and legitimate, therapeutic role, in half of the psychiatric cases?”
SSRI’s do save lives. They work by increasing the amount of serotonin in the synaptic cleft between communicating neurons. They buffer the resulting emotional impact upon the receiving neuron much the way shock absorbers decrease the impact of a tire hitting a bump in the road.
If I break my arm, I may need painkiller. But I don’t want to take the pain killers the rest of my life. It is the same with SSRI’s. I would never recommend quitting SSRI’s cold turkey as the emotions may become overwhelming and create a psychological dependency upon them. They should be decreased gradually under the care of an MD and a qualified therapist who teaches skills to help deal with any uncomfortable emotions arising.
One of the problems in the military is that they give a 180 day supply to soldiers. In April of 2012 they changed their recommendations and are trying to decrease some meds as they were increasing the impact of PTSD.
Let’s see about the 15 yr old kid in Mew Mexico, who just killed his family.
I’m betting on psychotropic drugs.
I used to take prozac, until a decade ago when I weaned off after the scrip didn’t get refilled. A short while later I read about the side effects, was not a happy camper. Then about 2 years after being off the medication, I had taken a class Brain and Biology (minor in psych), in which the instructor claimed that therapists, etc, basically shotgun or take a dart board approach to prescribing meds. Don’t know how true that actually was, but I was rather upset about hearing that. It was a fascinating class though.
I saw an article last week that said that SSRIs and atypical antipsychotic drugs can be useful, but that so far that usefulness had only been demonstrated in cases of severe depression.
Obvious conclusion: they are being vastly overprescribed.
They are often prescribed for "off-label" uses, as (to cite one example I recall from the article) for cases of Tourette's syndrome.
Anecdotal reports have suggested that selective serotonin reuptake inhibitors (SSRIs) may cause suicidal or violent behavior in some patients. Because of the publicity surrounding certain events, and the numerous lawsuits that have been filed, a review of benefits and risks is needed.
At most 30% of patients receive a benefit from SSRIs beyond the large placebo effect in certain mental conditions, especially depression, according to a recent meta-analysis of published trials. An equally recent meta-analysis of all SSRI trials submitted to the FDA showed a small benefit for the severely depressed patients only. Many early unpublished trials did not show any benefit. Adverse effects are common, occurring in up to 75% of subjects.
I took Ritalin in college, not because I needed it, but because it helped me study and pull all nighters. All I did was ask a doctor for it and he perscribed it no problem. The stuff puts you in a surreal, zombie like state where you almost feel out of body. Very similar to the high achieved snorting cocaine (yes, I have tried it). This was me, fully grown... I can’t imagine a child taking it, much less every single day.
Of course it is true. They claim you have some kind of chemical imbalance, which the medicine fixes, but how often do they actually drill into your brain to test the chemistry? The only way they can find something that leads to lucidity is through trial and error.
She started becoming agitated and confused after about a month or two. I took her to the Shrink He saw her in that state maybe five minutes and doubled the Zoloft. Before I could get her home she was hallucinating. I took her to the ER at that hospital named after a Saint. They were also supposed to be running a mental health care unit. The attending doctor in the ER refused any and all blood work and treatment and called the State Mobile Crisis Team. As her husband I could not sign for her treatment.
While waiting I made calls to family. When I came back in to the ER to check she was in a exam room unconscious and I could not bring her around. I yelled for the staff and doctor. I told the doctor do something she has a very serious medical history including heart issues. He just stood there. He refused to act.
We loaded her up and went to the big level one hospital across the river. The one ran by the university. They acted fast and got her conscious again but she was not coherent. I said please do blood works and a CAT SCAN or MRI this is not right. I said the other hospital refused. They then balked and said we are calling Mobile Crisis.
I talked to Mobile after this time 12 hours had passed and her Blood Pressure and Pulse were off the charts. They denied the hospitals request for a mental facility transfer.
I got to the hospital and asked to speak to the floor supervisor a RN. Showed her the article and said I'm certain this is it and it can kill her unless we act. I said please call the doctor. She said our doctors came in once a day he will be here in the morning. I said OK these are my orders as her husband and they will be honored. You are not to give her any medications but Ativan without my expressed permission.
The next morning their doctor came in madder than a wet hen and demanded to know why I had refused her his orders. I said doctor please read this. He said that's pure Rubbish. I said OK the doctor you Pharmacology Professor is a liar then? He looked again and recognized the authors name. I said you will not give her any antidepressants. That night she was back to normal. The next morning six days after onset they finally gave her an MRI which revealed two bleeders in her brain one likely caused by the antidepressants.
Serotonin Syndrome is real and the hallucinations of the patients are their reality. Even top doctor of the county health department who at the time was in private practice and was not even consulted in all that time also knows it's real she saw the aftermath and was quite shaken. MY wife still has partial amnesia from it. It is not tin foil antidepressants in some persons can be very dangerous. What is this had been a teenager?
Benzos such as Valium, Ativan, Xanax are the countering medications to stop this reaction. I knew it the doctors did not. They never heard of Serotonin Syndrome.
“...A nation of kids living on the planet Miranda.
Another failed progressive idea.
Is your child a latent Reever?
saw the movie....understand the reference.
I think its dead on accurate myself.
I was on Paxil for two days.
With 7 little words, you have just given away your right to keep and bear arms.
Lord have mercy. What a mess. Thank God that YOU, and not the ignorant doctor, had the decisive power to do what needed to be done. My prayers for your wife’s well-being.
gee I don’t know. Lets just take everyone off their meds and see what happens, shall we?
Surely Cho Loughner Holmes and Lanza could have been managed with better parenting, better teachers, talk therapy, whole diets and more exercise. Oh and more gun control.
Families who live with the mentally ill, or those who have battled clinical depression, bipolar and schizophrenia among others- should be able to tell you about living with an unmedicated person
in the movie, there were no winners (technically).
the crew just stopped the assassin (indirectly).
actual good guy dies.
the “hunt” would continue.
One point of fantasy....getting the “word out” just doesn’t
have the same effect in real life.
...even if you can’t stop the signal......
People like you who abuse ritalin (speed) get high from it
People (yes kids) who need ritalin to manage true ADHD slow down to “normal” when they take it.
So shame on you.
My doctor described the feeling medicated ADHD kids get as becoming addicted - to being normal. Able to sit and think. Able to focus on learning. Able to be accepted and part of a group discussion or sports team.
It sure has changed our son’s life and our entire families’ lives for the better
Just sent this link to a friend of mine who’s son was on meds and in PTSD treatment when a swat team knocked down his door and he ended up in prison.
Too bad the list has not been updated recently. Good stories.
Shame on me? That was 15 years ago, but the experience counts. Have you taken it? I hope your son doesn’t turn into a murdering drone. Ever stop to think of the long-term damage it could be doing. He is basically taking a controlled dose of meth every single day... all because you won’t give him an outlet to release his energy. Shame on you.
More than a few children are in circumstances that demand 'special schools/classes' whatever; but Liberal Judgments/expectations demand and require; that this sick child; have same educational environment as their peers. The parents want 'normal'; when by treatment and drugs; these children are themselves 'not'; and many - by drug inducements/protocols - are becoming 'less normal'; every day.
No matter the problem; or 'culture/social' crisis; Liberals are the First Responders with the remedy. As it is; these same,'politically correct' and so, judgment-impaired Liberals (and in many cases 'valueless'); are the heart of the problem, itself. No question; as to Liberalism's 'chicken/egg' culpability to the many pathetic challenges we are now confronted with. And no question; for every Liberal fix; the problems only get worse.
Doctors need to dig deeper for other causes and give familiy members possible Adverse reaction warnings. Read my post on this thread.
Anyone who can not be trusted to own and bear arms should not be running around loose, whatever the reason.
Unmedicated before or after they became dependent on the medicine?
tell you what speed-man,
You go adopt or foster yourself a child born brain damaged from a drug or alcohol adicted mother (ADHD is part of the result) - or an autistic kid - or a bipolar kid
Plenty of them in the foster child data base, just check it
Then you find a way you can help him to “release his energy” and succeed in school (even homeschool, which I do) participate in group activities that build healthy peer relationships and his own sense of self esteem - all while “releasing his energy” - no medication, of course.
My ADHD kid used to “release his energy” by spinning, rolling around the classroom, darting or wandering away from the group, punching other kids and chasing them with sticks, breaking his pencils in half, darting away from group activities and his one-on-one teacher aide, jumping off our furniture, swing sets, stair railings etc, completing 1 question on his tests in 30 minutes and then dropping to the floor to roll- somersaulting down the aisle at church etc etc etc -
Man life was one big energy release. And man was he sad. No one could stand to be around him because he couldn’t DO anything with them.
Hey guess what, now he can read! Do math, take art lessons, attend Boy Scout meetings and listen to his patrol leader’s directions, be on a basketball team .... and he has friends! He gets invited to birthday parties!
If that is long term, damage, we will live with it
When you walk the walk with your own ADHD kid, we’ll talk the talk
I've never taken a SSRI, but I have lived with mentally ill people --- when I was doing Women's Shelter work for a Catholic Charity. There were people who needed either to be medicated or to be restrained, pronto. It was hell for us ---and for them --- not to be able to get what they needed.
On the other hand, I am very wary of head meds being given to adolescents and young adults, particularly males, when they are presenting with depression, anxiety or mild antisocial behaviors. Something like 9 out of 10 recent school-killings, family-killings and other mass killings have been committed by young males who were on --- or just got off of --- SSRI's.
I myself used to use Ambien (not a SSHI --- it's a hypnotic) for insomnia, and I didn't like the side effects: incredibly vivid, bizarre dreams. Even "serial" dreams: where you wake up briefly, somewhat scared, and think "Geez, that was bizarre" --- and then fall back asleep and pick up the dream right where it left off, and go on for Episode 2 and Episode 3. And it was worse, getting OFF of Ambien.
So I expressed my discontent to my doctor, and she put me on Amitriptyline --- again, not a SASRI, but one of the older tricyclic antidepressants. I didn't even now it was an "antidepressant" until I googled it on my own and saw that has, for some people, some of the same issues as the SSRI's. Since I'm not depressive AT ALL, I decided to discontinue the Amitriptyline and try to address the insomnia issues as best I could with warm milk, pumpkin seeds, stretching exercises, melatonin: whatever.
So my questions about these meds is very sincere. I'd like to have a better idea of when they are appropriate, and when they are not.
why, never medicated, speed man
Why even ask? After all, you would never medicate your kid, right?
He can do that for himself, like you did.
Cigs pot booze and other junk works wonders to salve the over or under stimulation and cravings for self esteem of ADHD depressed and other kids who have no other effective relief from supervised treatment, A lot of em start self-medicating before age 11
“My ADHD kid used to release his energy by spinning, rolling around the classroom, darting or wandering away from the group, punching other kids and chasing them with sticks, breaking his pencils in half, darting away from group activities and his one-on-one teacher aide, jumping off our furniture, swing sets, stair railings etc, completing 1 question on his tests in 30 minutes and then dropping to the floor to roll- somersaulting down the aisle at church etc etc etc -”
LoL sounds like a typical boy. It gets better as he gets older... or perhaps you should have raised him as a homosexual. Also keep in mind that not all people are wired for academics.
You also never answered my question. Have you ever taken one of his ritalins and, if so, do you still find it appropriate for a child? If not, you need to.
With 'the Left', currently in charge. . .we can take nothing for granted.
It is interesting; that little has been said; re the drugs that Adam Lanza was taking. Of course; why change the topic; when 'guns' are the agenda. . .
Correct, and with Obama’s new executive orders, shrinks (an inherently liberal profession) and PCPs, now have the way paved forward to be able to unilaterally deem a citizen unfit to bear arms. I would advise against anyone seeing, or taking a child to a shrink from here on out. If you or your child need to talk to someone, talk with your minister/priest as they still have privacy obligations. And never tell a medical doctor of any specialty if you own a gun.
My definition of terrorist is one who deliberately kills innocent non-combatants as well as the opposing military forces. A good example is the IRA. When they were killing the invading British army a few at a time from ambush or wholesale by attacking their headquarters, they were freedom fighters. When they started blowing up pubs, post offices, etc. they became terrorists.
I can visualize Tea Party patriots taking up arms against Obamathugs from whatever 3 letter agency, and hunting down those who give them their orders. But I draw the line at going after their families or deliberately causing death to innocents who are at the wrong place at the wrong time. Otherwise we can't claim to be any better than they are.
I became depressed (or something) after my father died in my 40’s. Call it mid-life crisis, whatever. Left to my own devices, I would have made it through it. I chose to talk to my doctor about it because it was effecting my home life and was effecting me in my role as a father. I had no more than mentioned this when the Doctor was writing a prescription for Prozac. Reluctantly, I decided to try it. Here is what I can tell you in hindsight:
1) This medicine will make you fat. With no change in diet or exercise, I quickly gained 30 pounds in six months.
2) You don’t feel “right” the entire time you are taking this stuff. Just off cognitively. I had the mental acuity of a bowling ball.
3)I had slight improvement in general mood and cheerfulness. But, for me, just as there were heightened positive senses, the lows were lower as well.
I decided to stop taking it on my own. Just threw the bottle in the trash, which I did in haste and now know wasn’t a good idea. There is a withdrawal. For a couple of days I had what I can only describe as “zaps” where I had trouble controlling my thoughts. I was aware and in control of my thoughts, but I could not control what I was thinking or stop thinking about something.
I can see how this would screw up a kid. I can also see how these drugs could be a relief. Above is just what I experienced. Never again for this cowboy.
Never again for this cowboy.