Skip to comments.Top psychiatrist: Meds behind school massacres
Posted on 01/23/2013 2:45:57 AM PST by cricket
Interesting article and conclusions per 'chicken/egg' antidote/warning from London based, Dr.David Healy:
[I predict then the outcome of more school screenings for mental illness will be more mass killings, even if the guns are taken away and the mass killings are not done with guns.]
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Unmedicated before or after they became dependent on the medicine?
tell you what speed-man,
You go adopt or foster yourself a child born brain damaged from a drug or alcohol adicted mother (ADHD is part of the result) - or an autistic kid - or a bipolar kid
Plenty of them in the foster child data base, just check it
Then you find a way you can help him to “release his energy” and succeed in school (even homeschool, which I do) participate in group activities that build healthy peer relationships and his own sense of self esteem - all while “releasing his energy” - no medication, of course.
My ADHD kid used to “release his energy” by spinning, rolling around the classroom, darting or wandering away from the group, punching other kids and chasing them with sticks, breaking his pencils in half, darting away from group activities and his one-on-one teacher aide, jumping off our furniture, swing sets, stair railings etc, completing 1 question on his tests in 30 minutes and then dropping to the floor to roll- somersaulting down the aisle at church etc etc etc -
Man life was one big energy release. And man was he sad. No one could stand to be around him because he couldn’t DO anything with them.
Hey guess what, now he can read! Do math, take art lessons, attend Boy Scout meetings and listen to his patrol leader’s directions, be on a basketball team .... and he has friends! He gets invited to birthday parties!
If that is long term, damage, we will live with it
When you walk the walk with your own ADHD kid, we’ll talk the talk
I've never taken a SSRI, but I have lived with mentally ill people --- when I was doing Women's Shelter work for a Catholic Charity. There were people who needed either to be medicated or to be restrained, pronto. It was hell for us ---and for them --- not to be able to get what they needed.
On the other hand, I am very wary of head meds being given to adolescents and young adults, particularly males, when they are presenting with depression, anxiety or mild antisocial behaviors. Something like 9 out of 10 recent school-killings, family-killings and other mass killings have been committed by young males who were on --- or just got off of --- SSRI's.
I myself used to use Ambien (not a SSHI --- it's a hypnotic) for insomnia, and I didn't like the side effects: incredibly vivid, bizarre dreams. Even "serial" dreams: where you wake up briefly, somewhat scared, and think "Geez, that was bizarre" --- and then fall back asleep and pick up the dream right where it left off, and go on for Episode 2 and Episode 3. And it was worse, getting OFF of Ambien.
So I expressed my discontent to my doctor, and she put me on Amitriptyline --- again, not a SASRI, but one of the older tricyclic antidepressants. I didn't even now it was an "antidepressant" until I googled it on my own and saw that has, for some people, some of the same issues as the SSRI's. Since I'm not depressive AT ALL, I decided to discontinue the Amitriptyline and try to address the insomnia issues as best I could with warm milk, pumpkin seeds, stretching exercises, melatonin: whatever.
So my questions about these meds is very sincere. I'd like to have a better idea of when they are appropriate, and when they are not.
why, never medicated, speed man
Why even ask? After all, you would never medicate your kid, right?
He can do that for himself, like you did.
Cigs pot booze and other junk works wonders to salve the over or under stimulation and cravings for self esteem of ADHD depressed and other kids who have no other effective relief from supervised treatment, A lot of em start self-medicating before age 11
“My ADHD kid used to release his energy by spinning, rolling around the classroom, darting or wandering away from the group, punching other kids and chasing them with sticks, breaking his pencils in half, darting away from group activities and his one-on-one teacher aide, jumping off our furniture, swing sets, stair railings etc, completing 1 question on his tests in 30 minutes and then dropping to the floor to roll- somersaulting down the aisle at church etc etc etc -”
LoL sounds like a typical boy. It gets better as he gets older... or perhaps you should have raised him as a homosexual. Also keep in mind that not all people are wired for academics.
You also never answered my question. Have you ever taken one of his ritalins and, if so, do you still find it appropriate for a child? If not, you need to.
With 'the Left', currently in charge. . .we can take nothing for granted.
It is interesting; that little has been said; re the drugs that Adam Lanza was taking. Of course; why change the topic; when 'guns' are the agenda. . .
Correct, and with Obama’s new executive orders, shrinks (an inherently liberal profession) and PCPs, now have the way paved forward to be able to unilaterally deem a citizen unfit to bear arms. I would advise against anyone seeing, or taking a child to a shrink from here on out. If you or your child need to talk to someone, talk with your minister/priest as they still have privacy obligations. And never tell a medical doctor of any specialty if you own a gun.
My definition of terrorist is one who deliberately kills innocent non-combatants as well as the opposing military forces. A good example is the IRA. When they were killing the invading British army a few at a time from ambush or wholesale by attacking their headquarters, they were freedom fighters. When they started blowing up pubs, post offices, etc. they became terrorists.
I can visualize Tea Party patriots taking up arms against Obamathugs from whatever 3 letter agency, and hunting down those who give them their orders. But I draw the line at going after their families or deliberately causing death to innocents who are at the wrong place at the wrong time. Otherwise we can't claim to be any better than they are.
I became depressed (or something) after my father died in my 40’s. Call it mid-life crisis, whatever. Left to my own devices, I would have made it through it. I chose to talk to my doctor about it because it was effecting my home life and was effecting me in my role as a father. I had no more than mentioned this when the Doctor was writing a prescription for Prozac. Reluctantly, I decided to try it. Here is what I can tell you in hindsight:
1) This medicine will make you fat. With no change in diet or exercise, I quickly gained 30 pounds in six months.
2) You don’t feel “right” the entire time you are taking this stuff. Just off cognitively. I had the mental acuity of a bowling ball.
3)I had slight improvement in general mood and cheerfulness. But, for me, just as there were heightened positive senses, the lows were lower as well.
I decided to stop taking it on my own. Just threw the bottle in the trash, which I did in haste and now know wasn’t a good idea. There is a withdrawal. For a couple of days I had what I can only describe as “zaps” where I had trouble controlling my thoughts. I was aware and in control of my thoughts, but I could not control what I was thinking or stop thinking about something.
I can see how this would screw up a kid. I can also see how these drugs could be a relief. Above is just what I experienced. Never again for this cowboy.
Never again for this cowboy.
If you think it's bad now, just wait until the smart kids quit going into medicine because of ObamaCare... it's gonna get a lot worse.
That already happened years ago. The smart kids can make a lot more money selling widgets or manipulating computers to trade based on algorythms with no insurance than they can practicing medicine and paying $200k per year in malpractice insurance. Furthermore, I saw an article yesterday where women on average make more money as physician assistants than as doctors. Yes, there are still some well intentioned smart American kids that get through the system, but it is becoming rarer and rarer. I would venture to bet that most of the people in med school today aren’t even American.
My daughter and not as a child - was prescribed Prozac and she did same; she took it only a few days and hated the way it made her feel; and so got rid of it; and has never 'gone there' since. Nor to any other 'pharma'. Have heard friends comment on how their 'child' does not like their drug MO's; but they 'keep on'; nonetheless. For many; a 'rock and a hard place'; for others; perhaps; some real help. Don't know; but amazing the numbers; sad in truth; how many kids relying on drugs to get them through the day - and/or their parents/teachers. . .
Can only say; 'imagine'. ..a world without Liberals. What is worse; is how 'blind' are the sheeple.
Straight out of a fascist playbook.
If you read the side effects of most of the drugs doctors are ‘pushing’ these days, you’d come to the conclusion that the cure is worse than the disease. They call it practicing medicine. I call it malpractice.
Actually I think he was being deadly serious.
I think they work for some people, but clearly not for others.
Also they are sneaky with these drugs - I tried a smoking cessation pill which turned out to be an SSRI like prozac. My general doctor gave it to me and never mentioned what it was.
Well, within a few days it felt as if the world was suddenly “not real” - I am not kidding, the strangest feeling I’ve ever had in my life. I discontinued immediately and flushed them down the toilet (I think it was 140 dollars worth). Doctor said, “oh, I should have told you about the possible side effects” (which were things like suicidal ideation).
And I would be described as grounded and a pretty happy person. God only knows if this fell into the hands of some borderline type.
But then, it does fall into the wrong hands all the time, this stuff is handed out like candy.
Also there are almost no MSM stories about this as the media is funded by ads from the companies that make this garbage. So no discussion that drugs may have contributed to Sandy Hook, as they already have to many others. Google “SSRI’s” and “shootings” for more info.
While I am sure some people are helped - we are probably sacrificing (killing) quite a few, generally via suicide. My other question is, are they giving these things to soldiers, as that would be truly evil.
I am more afraid of my kids taking the bus than I am about other kids taking medications:
According to 2005 data from NHTSA, an average of 21 school age children die in school transportation-related traffic crashes each year. Six of those deaths occur in school transportation vehicles. This number applies only to daily school routes and does not account for extracurricular activities that take place outside of normal school hours.
Actually - I’d be more afraid of the kids on meds.
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My lament - how did we become a country that drugs kids for acting like children?