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Some NJ Gun Bills Could Cancel All NJ FID Cards, MandatePolice Turn-in or Face Felony
Association of New Jersey Rifle and Pistol Clubs (ANJRPC) Facebook page ^ | 1/20/13 | Evan Nappen

Posted on 01/21/2013 5:29:29 PM PST by NewJerseyJoe

LEGISLATIVE WARNING FROM EVAN NAPPEN:

SOME NJ GUN BILLS COULD CANCEL ALL NJ FID CARDS, MANDATE POLICE TURN-IN OR FACE FELONY

By Evan F. Nappen, Attorney at Law (Exclusive to ANJRPC)

Out of the 23 bills recently filed in New Jersey, three dealing with mental health evaluations as a condition of issuance of FID cards contain potential severe unintended consequences that could invalidate every FID card in the state. They are A3688 (sponsors: Mainor and Jimenez), A3667 (sponsors: Cryan, O'Donnell, and Jasey) and A3676 (sponsor: Jimenez.)

All three of these bills require a mental health evaluation approved by the Superintendent of State police as a condition for issuance of a New Jersey Firearms Purchaser ID card under N.J.S. 2C:58-3c. Failure to do so is explicitly a "disability” under N.J.S. 2C:58-3c

A3676 also requires a privacy invading in-home inspection as a condition for issuance of an FID card, and A3688 requires submission of a list of household members with mental illness to the police to receive an FID card. Failure to obey these requirements are also explicitly "disabilities” under N.J.S. 2C:58-3c.

New Jersey law provides that an FID card is void if the holder becomes subject to a "disability.” Accordingly, if these bills take effect, ALL persons already holding an FID card who have not had the home inspection, psychological evaluation, or provided the list of household members (and thereby overcome the "disabilities” imposed by the legislation) MUST TURN IN their Firearms ID card to the Police. The turn in must be done within 5 days by law or face prosecution for 4th Degree Crime (Felony -18 months prison time.)

TAKE OUT YOUR OWN FID AND READ THE WARNING ON THE BACK.

These three bills have the potential to void every FID card in the state, and require their immediate return!

See for yourself. The law under NJS 58-3f. states:

"A firearms purchaser identification card shall be valid until such time as the holder becomes subject to any of the disabilities set forth in subsection c. of this section, whereupon the card shall be void and shall be returned within five days by the holder to the superintendent, who shall then advise the licensing authority. Failure of the holder to return the firearms purchaser identification card to the superintendent within the said five days shall be an offense under subsection a. of N.J.S.2C:39-10.”

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ANJRPC will continue to monitor this legislation (along with the dozens of others being monitored) and will alert you and request action on your part at key points in the legislative process.


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Government; US: New Jersey
KEYWORDS: banglist; guncontrol; newjersey; nj; secondamendment
Notes:
1. This was posted on the Facebook page of the Association of New Jersey Rifle and Pistol Clubs (ANJRPC). It is not yet on ANJRPC's web site. The Facebook page is public but the link may not be available to people who do not use FB.
2. Evan Nappen (the author) is an expert on N.J. firearms law and serves as a legal advisor to ANJRPC and its members.
3. ANJRPC's web site is http://www.anjrpc.org
1 posted on 01/21/2013 5:29:34 PM PST by NewJerseyJoe
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To: NewJerseyJoe

If they actually did things that way, it would spark a revolt. There wouldn’t be room enough in the jails.


2 posted on 01/21/2013 5:32:51 PM PST by HiTech RedNeck (How long before all this "fairness" kills everybody, even the poor it was supposed to help???)
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To: ZULU; Clemenza; Coleus; Malsua; seekthetruth; ml/nj; certrtwngnut; Focault's Pendulum

ping


3 posted on 01/21/2013 5:40:14 PM PST by NewJerseyJoe (Rat mantra: "Facts are meaningless! You can use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true!")
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To: NewJerseyJoe

The very first thing I did after retiring, was to move out of New Jersey to Pennsylvania. I had a non-resident CCW, issued from PA, went to the Court House, and in 45 minutes a new resident permit for Pennsylvania was issued.

Just think, I had to wait 89 days for a permit to buy a handgun in NJ. Yes, the detective in charge, would hold the permit until the very last day.

I feel sorry for you guys.....

I’ve since moved to Florida, the final stop.


4 posted on 01/21/2013 5:49:49 PM PST by Capt_Hank (btu's...kcal's...to kJ's, but my activation energy is still high.)
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To: NewJerseyJoe

It is likely that the libtard hoplophobes in new joisey are going to try to out-do their buddies in new yawk.

If you were once a lawr-abiding gun owner in new yawk you are now living in a gulag. Leave for your own safety. There are free states who would welcome you - as long as you’re not a libtard.

To paraphrase owebama: “Adam Lanza is the one we’ve been waiting for.”


5 posted on 01/21/2013 5:50:08 PM PST by 43north (BHO: 50% black, 50% white, 100% RED)
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To: pandoraou812
...and A3688 requires submission of a list of household members with mental illness to the police to receive an FID card. Failure to obey these requirements are also explicitly "disabilities” under N.J.S. 2C:58-3c.

So, if I lived in the People's Republic of New Jersey my right to keep and bear arms would be completely taken away because my mother has Alzheimer's!?!

I wonder where Governor 0bama Phone will stand on these bills? /s

6 posted on 01/21/2013 5:55:00 PM PST by TigersEye (Stupid is a Progressive disease.)
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To: HiTech RedNeck

So, are these hispanic surnamed bill sponsors mafia soldiers, or do they work for the jamaican crews?


7 posted on 01/21/2013 5:57:41 PM PST by muawiyah
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To: NewJerseyJoe

And let the adjudication of just “Who” is a mental defective. In fact, the reads in such a way that if you become disabled, in way. Wether physical or partial, being disabled means the state will disarm you, jail you and classify you as felon, forever altering your life.

FU Christy!


8 posted on 01/21/2013 5:59:57 PM PST by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously, you won't live through it anyway)
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To: NewJerseyJoe

all LEO issued firearms should be subjected to the exact same mental evaluations, inspections and requirements. It’s for the children


9 posted on 01/21/2013 6:01:09 PM PST by paul51 (11 September 2001 - Never forget)
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To: muawiyah

dunno


10 posted on 01/21/2013 6:03:56 PM PST by HiTech RedNeck (How long before all this "fairness" kills everybody, even the poor it was supposed to help???)
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To: Capt_Hank

In Pennsy you are also able to go to a gun store and dealer and walk out with whatever you wanted and as many as you wanted within 10 minutes of the Federal check.The good stuff is legal too. Hi Cap mags,flash hiders, bayonet lugs etc.AND THEY STILL ARE!!OPEN carry is legal too.(Don’t forget Castle Doctrine was signed into law in 2012.


11 posted on 01/21/2013 6:09:38 PM PST by Renegade
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To: paul51

How about, the exact same mental evaluations, inspections and requirements should be mandatory for all government jobs whether elected, re-elected, appointed or hired on.


12 posted on 01/21/2013 6:09:57 PM PST by TigersEye (Stupid is a Progressive disease.)
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To: muawiyah

Neither. Just good little plantation minorities serving their masters in the DNC.


13 posted on 01/21/2013 6:18:58 PM PST by Ghost of Philip Marlowe (Prepare for survival.)
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To: NewJerseyJoe

Those on the left always overreach...Always.


14 posted on 01/21/2013 6:20:23 PM PST by JPG (Stay strong.)
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To: NewJerseyJoe

The mask comes off.

NRA is going to have to come up with some walking around money for diversity votes next election.


15 posted on 01/21/2013 6:35:19 PM PST by SaraJohnson
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To: NewJerseyJoe
The very first people to have FIDs canceled are politicians and they are stripped of their taxpayer security. They are forced to undergo a mental health background check for themselves, spouses, family, LBGT lovers, and extended family.
16 posted on 01/21/2013 6:38:49 PM PST by MasterGunner01
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To: NewJerseyJoe

Not to worry — NJ has a REPUBLICAN Governor who will stand unflinchingly for your Constitutional rights! /Sarc


17 posted on 01/21/2013 6:39:44 PM PST by man_in_tx (Islam is a Hate Crime. (Blowback: Faithfully farting towards Mecca five times daily!))
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To: NewJerseyJoe

I give thanks everyday that I don’t live in New Jersey ! Actually many parts of the state is pretty but most of the people there and their government, I cannot stand.


18 posted on 01/21/2013 6:42:40 PM PST by CORedneck
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To: NewJerseyJoe

bttt


19 posted on 01/21/2013 6:44:12 PM PST by First_Salute (May God save our democratic-republican government, from a government by judiciary.)
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To: NewJerseyJoe

If the Dems keep this up, they are going to smash into Heller faster than you can say Cuomo.


20 posted on 01/21/2013 6:49:52 PM PST by theBuckwheat
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To: NewJerseyJoe

Has anyone else noticed that all these new laws or proposed laws assign felonies for violation? With a felony, you can’t own a gun, vote and have other rights taken away. Possessing a single 20 or 30 round magazine is a felony, not a misdemeanor. Paperwork errors or mistakes ... felony. The ways gun and other laws are being written, everything is a felony even when not serious, paperwork errors or mistakes, or just about anything.


21 posted on 01/21/2013 6:49:56 PM PST by RetiredTexasVet
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To: RetiredTexasVet

How long until they start making us wear gold stars on our shirts?

It’s coming....fast.


22 posted on 01/21/2013 6:57:18 PM PST by Constitutional Patriot (Socialism is the cancer of humanity.)
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To: NewJerseyJoe

The left (er, now “progressives”) never take unintended consequences into account in their Gollumn-like fixation on their Precious, the secular Utopia, and while in their Gollum-like rage at anything that threatens it, like RKBA.

As a person who has started business enterprises and who helps others to do the same, I will never start a business in states such as New Jouisy. Moreover, what kind of person would move to CA, NY, NJ, CT, MD, or MA?

There is a massive conservative self-selection process going on under the radar. Conservatives moves out when they can and few conservatives move in. The reverse can be said for states like Texas.

With self-selection this is all peaceful and orderly. But should this delineation get too stark and there will come some future issue that will really fracture the relationship between red and blue states. Maybe it is time for these two groups to go their separate ways. This would be possible except liberals know down deep that the must dragoon as many people as possible into their tax and control system in order to pay for their secular Utopia. They will fight tooth and nail to keep anyone, or any group of states from escaping.


23 posted on 01/21/2013 7:03:06 PM PST by theBuckwheat
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To: NewJerseyJoe
The reason they want to register them is so they can confiscate them.

It's not rocket surgery.

24 posted on 01/21/2013 7:09:31 PM PST by E. Pluribus Unum (TYRANNY: When the people fear the politicians. LIBERTY: When the politicians fear the people.)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

25 posted on 01/21/2013 7:29:27 PM PST by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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Out of the 23 bills recently filed in New Jersey, three dealing with mental health evaluations as a condition of issuance of FID cards contain potential severe unintended consequences that could invalidate every FID card in the state.
They are A3688 (sponsors: Mainor and Jimenez), A3667 (sponsors: Cryan, O'Donnell, and Jasey) and A3676 (sponsor: Jimenez.)

All three of these bills require a mental health evaluation approved by the Superintendent of State police as a condition for issuance of a New Jersey Firearms Purchaser ID card under N.J.S. 2C:58-3c. Failure to do so is explicitly a "disability” under N.J.S. 2C:58-3c

A3676 also requires a privacy invading in-home inspection as a condition for issuance of an FID card, and A3688 requires submission of a list of household members with mental illness to the police to receive an FID card. Failure to obey these requirements are also explicitly "disabilities” under N.J.S. 2C:58-3c.

Veto this Governor Christie.

I expect democrats to attempt to steal my rights.

I expect you to stop them.
26 posted on 01/21/2013 7:54:11 PM PST by novemberslady
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To: 43north

not in a good mood tonight. too bad sandy didn’t send the whole frigging corrupt state into the sea, pollution be damned.


27 posted on 01/21/2013 7:58:11 PM PST by bravo whiskey (“People should not be afraid of their governments. Governments should be afraid of their people.”)
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To: NewJerseyJoe
Out of the 23 bills recently filed in New Jersey, three dealing with mental health evaluations as a condition of issuance of FID cards contain potential severe unintended consequences that...

Are we sure those consequences are unintended?

28 posted on 01/21/2013 8:20:29 PM PST by Standing Wolf
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To: TigersEye

Zactly! You would forfeit your guns, your liberty for a minimum of 18 months, unless they found you guilty of compounded felonies, such as being or presenting a danger ir threat to a disabled person and it will roll downhill from there.

The legislation defines mental illness in a few sections and describes merely “disabled” in others.

You could be partially disabled, working through physical therapy toward becoming whole again, for say a torn rotator cuff, from which you will never 100% whole or permanently disabled due to injury of your back, hios and any other malady which can be described as “disabled”.

You are FK’d if these pass and you live in NJ?


29 posted on 01/22/2013 8:03:04 AM PST by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously, you won't live through it anyway)
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30 posted on 01/22/2013 8:25:08 AM PST by novemberslady
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To: HiTech RedNeck

Massachusetts did something like this. It issued cards that did not expire. The cards said so, on their face. Years later, the state passed a law expiring the cards, and after about a year, a new generation of law-breakers was spawned. I believe there were convictions.


31 posted on 01/22/2013 8:36:04 AM PST by Cboldt
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To: Cboldt

Did it ever get pushed up to the Federal level?


32 posted on 01/22/2013 1:20:25 PM PST by HiTech RedNeck (How long before all this "fairness" kills everybody, even the poor it was supposed to help???)
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To: Travis McGee

EGGCELLENT.

Sinful human nature is the same over the whole wide world. It’s foolish pride alone that makes the leftist retort “oh we’re so special, we would never let it happen like all those other loser places.”


33 posted on 01/22/2013 1:26:45 PM PST by HiTech RedNeck (How long before all this "fairness" kills everybody, even the poor it was supposed to help???)
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To: HiTech RedNeck
-- Did it ever get pushed up to the Federal level? --

Good question. I don't recall. I learned about the change in law by reading a case, but I don't recall if the case was decided by a state court or a federal court.

I'll see if I can find the case, and if I do, I'll post a link to it. I do recall that the consequence to the gun owner was upheld, but don't know if he escaped his encounter with the law with only loss of his guns, or if he was imprisoned or otherwise punished. I do recall that he was otherwise law abiding. That is, the lapse of his permanent card was the basis for the case.

34 posted on 01/22/2013 1:28:44 PM PST by Cboldt
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To: Vendome; pandoraou812
You are FK’d if these pass and you live in NJ?

Thankfully I don't! :-)

Word to my friend/s in NJ. I ain't Snake Pliskin.

35 posted on 01/22/2013 2:04:22 PM PST by TigersEye (Stupid is a Progressive disease.)
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Bttt


36 posted on 01/22/2013 4:11:44 PM PST by novemberslady
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