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Cops Are Outraged That New York's New Magazine Limit Could Apply to Them
Reason ^ | Jan. 18, 2013 | Jacob Sullum

Posted on 01/21/2013 2:56:23 PM PST by neverdem

In my column this week, I asked why police officers should be allowed to have so-called high-capacity magazines if they have no defensive value. Since "no one needs" to fire more than X number of rounds before reloading (and assuming that "need" should define what people are allowed to possess), why not apply the same limit to everyone? It looks like the New York legislature, which this week reduced the state's magazine limit from 10 rounds to seven, did take an evenhanded approach—but only by accident. According to DNAinfo.com and WABC, the ABC station in New York, legislators were in such a rush to impose new gun restrictions that they forgot to exempt active-duty and retired law enforcement officers from the new magazine rule. Whoops.

Cops are complaining about the lack of a double standard:

"As a law enforcement officer for over 20 years, I understand the importance of instituting a new policy on mandating the limits of bullets that a regular citizen can possess, but as a matter of fact the bad guys are not going to follow this law," said Norman Seabrook, president of the correction officers union, the city's second largest.

"The way the current legislation is drafted, it actually handcuffs the law enforcement community from having the necessary ammunition needed to save lives," he said. "We must not allow this to happen."

Roy Richter, president of the Captains Endowment Association and a lawyer, said, "It puts retired officers in a position that the clip they were issued by the NYPD, carried for their careers and were fully trained on, is now considered contraband."

Michael J. Palladino, who is head of the NYPD's 6,000-member detectives union and president of the state's Patrolmen's Benevolent Association, which represents 50,000 members, joined in calling for Cuomo and the legislature to immediately amend the law.

"Gun reform must prevent criminals and the deranged from getting illegal weapons—not restrict law-abiding retired cops from protecting themselves and the public," Palladino said.

"I support the governor in gun reform, however the new legislation restricts law enforcement officers who retire, and that could jeopardize the safety of the public."

DNAinfo.com calls the absence of a law-enforcement exemption a "loophole in the law," but in fact it is the very opposite of a loophole: Cops are outraged at the possibility that they might be treated the same as "a regular citizen" under the law. One has to wonder: If, as Seabrook says, the new magazine limit will have no impact on criminals and if, as Seabrook and Palladino agree, more than seven rounds sometimes are necessary to "save lives," what justification can there be for imposing this arbitrary restriction not just on "law-abiding retired cops" but on law-abiding citizens in general?

A spokesman for Gov. Andrew Cuomo told WABC, "We are still working out some details of the law, and the exemption will be included. Currently no police officer is in violation." I'm not sure why he says that, since the part of the law that bans pre-existing magazines holding more than 10 rounds is "effective immediately." According to WABC, "Nearly every law enforcement agency in the state carries handguns that have a 15-round capacity." The provision covering magazines that hold eight, nine, or 10 rounds takes effect on April 15. Contrary to what Richter says, such magazines won't actually be "contraband" for people who already have them, but their owners will be expected to put no more than seven rounds in them at a time. I am serious: That is what the law says. A prohibited "large capacity ammunition feeding device" is, among other things, a magazine legally obtained before April 15 that "contains more than seven rounds of ammunition."

It is implausible enough to suggest that a criminal—who by definition has no compunction about breaking the law, who is not legally permitted to possess firearms to begin with (if he has a felony record), and who is highly motivated to obtain the tools of his trade—would be deterred from obtaining a 10-round magazine by the legislature's new dictate, especially since plenty of them will remain in circulation. It is beyond fanciful to suppose that, having obtained a 10-round magazine, a criminal would think twice about putting more than seven rounds in it because legislators said he shouldn't. But in New York state, that whiff of a pretext suffices to abridge people's Second Amendment rights and, according to the cops clamoring for an exemption to the new limit, put lives at risk.

The Patrolmen's Benevolent Association says it is "actively working to enact changes to this law that will provide the appropriate exemptions from the law for active and retired law enforcement officers." State Sen. Eric Adams (D-Brooklyn), who is a former NYPD captain but nevertheless does not know which constitutional amendment protects us against unreasonable searches and seizures, told WABC he will introduce legislation restoring the double standard to which cops have become accustomed. "You can't give more ammo to the criminals," he explains. I thought that was the whole point of this law.


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Editorial; Politics/Elections; US: New York
KEYWORDS: banglist; guncontrol; newyork; newyorkcity; secondamendment
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1 posted on 01/21/2013 2:56:30 PM PST by neverdem
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To: neverdem

It must really suck to be excluded from a double standard....


2 posted on 01/21/2013 2:58:14 PM PST by Joe 6-pack (Que me amat, amet et canem meum)
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To: neverdem

When elitists realize they ain’t so elite after all.


3 posted on 01/21/2013 2:59:01 PM PST by Vaquero (Don't pick a fight with an old guy. If he is too old to fight, he'll just kill you.)
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To: neverdem

I shall struggle to refrain from a famous George Orwell quote.


4 posted on 01/21/2013 2:59:29 PM PST by Psalm 144 (Capitol to the districts: "May the odds be ever in your favor.")
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To: neverdem

LOL. At least for once, the law is fair.


5 posted on 01/21/2013 3:00:07 PM PST by MinorityRepublican
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To: neverdem

They just need to pray they’re never faced with eight dogs. What are the odds of that?


6 posted on 01/21/2013 3:00:58 PM PST by Cyber Liberty (Obama considers the Third World morally superior to the United States.)
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To: neverdem

Sauce for the goosed...


7 posted on 01/21/2013 3:02:58 PM PST by null and void (Gun confiscation enables tyranny. Don't enable Tyranny)
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To: neverdem

Magazine restrictions are for the Little People. But cops need unlimited firepower.

So in an ironic sense of the word, the guardians of the law want to be above the law themselves because they’re special in a way the rest of us aren’t.

Gun control sucks when you’re a cop!


8 posted on 01/21/2013 3:03:26 PM PST by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: Vaquero
"The way the current legislation is drafted, it actually handcuffs the law enforcement community from having the necessary ammunition needed to save lives," he said. "We must not allow this to happen."

Does anyone else find the absolute sad humor in this comment by those who live, trough feed, carriage, and joyfully retire to over $100,000 a year pensions, courtesy of the little people they shoot?

9 posted on 01/21/2013 3:03:53 PM PST by blackdog (There is no such thing as healing, only a balance between destructive and constructive forces.)
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To: neverdem

Sauce for the goose is sauce for the goose stepper...


10 posted on 01/21/2013 3:04:00 PM PST by null and void (Gun confiscation enables tyranny. Don't enable Tyranny)
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To: neverdem

My dog says that as long as her litter output exceeds seven, she’s feeling better............................


11 posted on 01/21/2013 3:05:23 PM PST by blackdog (There is no such thing as healing, only a balance between destructive and constructive forces.)
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To: Joe 6-pack
It must really suck to be excluded from a double standard....

Sorry but I am absolutely stealing that one... immediately.

:-)

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12 posted on 01/21/2013 3:05:57 PM PST by TLI ( ITINERIS IMPENDEO VALHALLA)
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To: neverdem

Black labs will cheat death by running in packs of 8.


13 posted on 01/21/2013 3:06:19 PM PST by TurboZamboni (Looting the future to bribe the present)
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To: neverdem

Awwwwww ...

po’ babies ....

I have an idea! How ‘bout it applies ONLY to them! Then they can feel “special”.


14 posted on 01/21/2013 3:06:34 PM PST by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: Cyber Liberty

Oh goody,another FR cop bashing thread.

Should be interesting.

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15 posted on 01/21/2013 3:08:25 PM PST by Mears
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To: neverdem; All
--I wonder how this applies to 8-round M-! Garand en bloc clips?
16 posted on 01/21/2013 3:08:44 PM PST by rellimpank (--don't believe anything the media or government says about firearms or explosives--)
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To: neverdem

The LIBERALS have to create legislation that will give the criminals better odds. That’s the LIBERAL way of FAIRNESS for ALL. /s


17 posted on 01/21/2013 3:11:05 PM PST by VideoDoctor
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To: Mears

I don’t control the threads. And if cops get bashed...well maybe they should stop bashing the civilians? Just asking the fastest badge-licker (you), and it’s your turn in the self-selected barrel.


18 posted on 01/21/2013 3:12:43 PM PST by Cyber Liberty (Obama considers the Third World morally superior to the United States.)
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To: neverdem

Don’t worry officer, the governor insists, based on his vast experience, that no one needs a large capacity magazine. Really, he knows, he’s the governor.


19 posted on 01/21/2013 3:13:01 PM PST by muir_redwoods (Don't fire until you see the blue of their helmets)
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To: neverdem
... but as a matter of fact the bad guys are not going to follow this law ...

He knows it, in fact, we all know it. Maybe the solution is to work on curbing the activities of the bad guys.

20 posted on 01/21/2013 3:14:10 PM PST by ken in texas (I was taught to respect my elders but it keeps getting harder to find any.)
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To: muir_redwoods

JUST WONDERING, how many of the outraged voted for the current governor ??


21 posted on 01/21/2013 3:15:14 PM PST by Einherjar (What are they gonna do, cut my hair off and send me to Nam ?)
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To: neverdem

How many times have we seen stories about cops shooting a perp and blasting about 30 rounds at the guy and he still lives because they only hit him twice? It ain’t like sitting on the bench at the range with a paper target.


22 posted on 01/21/2013 3:15:21 PM PST by shelterguy
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To: Cyber Liberty

Maybe 0’s afraid LEOs and the military will turn on him and shoot him in the back. Just about every LEO or military personnel I know are conservative and believe in God and don’t buy into his BS


23 posted on 01/21/2013 3:16:34 PM PST by jsanders2001
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To: neverdem

What about restrictions to Bloomturds and Cuomos body guards?

What’s that you say? You are ABOVE the law?


24 posted on 01/21/2013 3:16:41 PM PST by unixfox (Abolish Slavery, Repeal The 16th Amendment!)
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To: neverdem

Hey, now. If they were any good, they’d only need 2 or 4 rounds to take down a robber, don’cha know.


25 posted on 01/21/2013 3:17:59 PM PST by bgill (We've passed the point of no return. Welcome to Al Amerika.)
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To: marktwain
"As a law enforcement officer for over 20 years, I understand the importance of instituting a new policy on mandating the limits of bullets that a regular citizen can possess,but as a matter of fact the bad guys are not going to follow this law," said Norman Seabrook, president of the correction officers union, the city's second largest. "The way the current legislation is drafted, it actually handcuffs the law enforcement community from having the necessary ammunition needed to save lives," he said.

ping

26 posted on 01/21/2013 3:18:23 PM PST by GOPJ ( Gang members breaking down YOUR door- daughter and wife screaming for help - Dems took YOUR gun....)
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To: neverdem

What are they crying about! For years they were armed with .38 six shot revolvers. this is just a return to the good old days!


27 posted on 01/21/2013 3:18:45 PM PST by Ruy Dias de Bivar (Click my name! See new paintings!)
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To: rellimpank

***—I wonder how this applies to 8-round M-! Garand en bloc clips? ***

You can get 5 round and 2 round clips for the M-1 Garand.

In high power matches you have to fire 10 shots. That is why the two round clip was made. Many of us have a preference for two 5 round clip in the matches.


28 posted on 01/21/2013 3:21:54 PM PST by Ruy Dias de Bivar (Click my name! See new paintings!)
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To: neverdem
Heck cops, that's 6 more than Barney Fife, what y'all crying about?
Besides, the bad guys won't be carrying more than 7 rounds, it's the law, don't ya know.
29 posted on 01/21/2013 3:22:33 PM PST by The Cajun (Sarah Palin, Mark Levin......Nuff said.)
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To: Joe 6-pack
It must really suck to be excluded from a double standard....

Excellent!

30 posted on 01/21/2013 3:22:41 PM PST by Navy Patriot (Join the Democrats, it's not Fascism when WE do it, and the Constitution and law mean what WE say.)
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To: neverdem

“the bad guys aren’t going to follow this law” says dumbass cop.

Then dumbass cop, why won’t you let regular citizens have the same chance you want to have with a larger magazine?

God libtards are idiots. And armed libtards are extremely dangerous.


31 posted on 01/21/2013 3:23:31 PM PST by Secret Agent Man (I can neither confirm or deny that; even if I could, I couldn't - it's classified.)
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To: neverdem
Cops Are Outraged That New York's New Magazine Limit Could Apply to Them

Most LE people will probably just ignore the new regs. We all know the "bad guys" will. Cuomo is such a moron he doesn't belong in public office. Andrew, the moron...son of Mario, the Pius...what a pair of "duces".

32 posted on 01/21/2013 3:23:31 PM PST by GoldenPup
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To: Cyber Liberty

pretty good actually ~ now every drug kingpin in the state understands that the cops don’t have enough bullets to shoot 8 or more dogs ~ so they’ll have 8 or more dogs on hand to attack the cops as they sneak up on them!


33 posted on 01/21/2013 3:24:48 PM PST by muawiyah
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To: neverdem

****I asked why police officers should be allowed to have so-called high-capacity magazines if they have no defensive value.****

The first time someone runs their revolver dry and is murdered, the MSM will say that the person should have just given up, then they MIGHT still be alive.

The first time a cop runs his revolver dry, and is murdered, there will be hell to pay as the MSM will demand more gun controls on the general public.

Me? When the smoke clears, I want to have a full 30 rd magazine still in reserve! Just in case.


34 posted on 01/21/2013 3:26:37 PM PST by Ruy Dias de Bivar (Click my name! See new paintings!)
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To: neverdem

Well, based on the NYPD’s most recent display of handgun proficency where 2 of New York’s finest needed 16 rounds to kill the perp AND hit 9 innocent bystanders to boot, I say the 7 rond limit should apply to them as well. In this case there’d be 2 less civilians in the hospital.


35 posted on 01/21/2013 3:27:39 PM PST by technically right
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To: neverdem

“but as a matter of fact the bad guys are not going to follow this law”

making this law useless to anyone


36 posted on 01/21/2013 3:29:13 PM PST by Fred (http://thebubblefilm.com/)
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To: muawiyah

I didn’t think of that. I guess that’s why I’m not a kingpin.

Of course, if you apply the NYPD standard of marksmanship, a kingpin could put up what, two, maybe three dogs and the cop(s) would still run out of ammo before they ran out of dog.


37 posted on 01/21/2013 3:31:07 PM PST by Cyber Liberty (Obama considers the Third World morally superior to the United States.)
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To: neverdem

The law is only supposed to apply to the peasants!


38 posted on 01/21/2013 3:31:25 PM PST by Tzimisce (The American Revolution began when the British attempted to disarm the Colonists.)
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To: neverdem

“But as a matter of fact bad guys are not going to follow this law”

Gotcha, this is an anti good guy law. I’ll pass...

Must suck to live in NY.


39 posted on 01/21/2013 3:35:40 PM PST by conecrusher (The cult of tolerance has destroyed this country)
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To: neverdem

FTA:

“State Sen. Eric Adams (D-Brooklyn), . . . told WABC he will introduce legislation restoring the double standard to which cops have become accustomed. ‘You can’t give more ammo to the criminals,’ he explains.”

The irony of his recognition that only law-abiding citizens will be disarmed, while criminals will disregard, is great.

I wonder if he realizes how stupid he is, or if he is so stupid he thinks he is smart.


40 posted on 01/21/2013 3:36:09 PM PST by Jewbacca (The residents of Iroquois territory may not determine whether Jews may live in Jerusalem.)
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To: Cyber Liberty

“Just asking the fastest badge-licker (you)-—”

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Classy !

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41 posted on 01/21/2013 3:37:11 PM PST by Mears
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To: Tzimisce

Hey I know, how about exempting those cops from the new laws who recite an oath of allegiance to Obama? It would have the added benefit of weeding out the troublemakers too.


42 posted on 01/21/2013 3:38:23 PM PST by SpaceBar
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To: neverdem

Don’t understand why a cop would need more than 7 rounds while a citizen wouldn’t.

Most criminals try to avoid cops. But, they actively seek out citizens that they can overpower.

So, who needs high capacity magazines more?


43 posted on 01/21/2013 3:39:47 PM PST by FLAMING DEATH (I'm not racist - I hate Biden too!)
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To: Vaquero

What a great question. I have no sympathy for these LEOs sorry. They still think they should be treated different than the average citizen, even once they retire and join back in the ranks of the average citizen. Elitists indeed.


44 posted on 01/21/2013 3:43:36 PM PST by austinaero
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To: Cyber Liberty

Or, a chihuahua and an African immigrant holding his wallet in the air ~ those bad boys would run out of bullets long before the chihuahua had given up the idea of biting their buttzoff!


45 posted on 01/21/2013 3:44:27 PM PST by muawiyah
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To: Mears

So, I guess you don’t see the double standard then? Cops need high capacity mags’ to defend the citizens but citizens don’t need high capacity mags to defend themselves?

Some pigs (no disrespect intended look it up) are more equal than others. That’s just great.

And yes, I find the comments by the various police spokesmen very interesting. And revealing. But for the ones who need to get the message, It’ll go right over their heads.

Like you for instance.


46 posted on 01/21/2013 3:44:35 PM PST by saleman (!!!!)
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To: neverdem

The Irony and Idiocy abound.

If you want a cop in NY you will have to go to a ‘Gun Free Zone’ as we know the bad guys will pay attention to that part of it.


47 posted on 01/21/2013 3:44:55 PM PST by xrmusn (6/98 "It is virtually impossible to clean the pond as long as the pigs are still crapping in it")
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To: conecrusher
Must suck to live in NY.

It does. A lot.

48 posted on 01/21/2013 3:45:13 PM PST by onona (KCCO, and mind the gap)
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To: neverdem

I say - good!

Let them be reduced to carrying .38 Special revolvers, or at least make them observe the 7-round limit when carrying outside of regular duty hours.


49 posted on 01/21/2013 3:46:59 PM PST by PLMerite (Shut the Beyotch Down! Burn, baby, burn!)
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To: Mears

“Oh goody,another FR cop bashing thread.”
Nah, it’s an “elitist-excops who whine that the law is going to be applied to them the same as the little people.” This is a sub-category of cops.


50 posted on 01/21/2013 3:47:39 PM PST by austinaero
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