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Biden to NRA: We 'donít have the time' to prosecute people who lie on background checks
Daily Caller ^ | 1/18/13 | Caroline May

Posted on 01/17/2013 10:05:22 PM PST by Nachum

During the National Rifle Association’s meeting with Vice President Joe Biden and the White House gun violence task force, the vice president said that the administration did not have the time to prosecute existing gun laws.

Jim Baker, the NRA representative present at the meeting, recalled the vice president’s words to The Daily Caller: “And to your point, Mr. Baker, regarding the lack of prosecutions on lying on Form 4473s, we simply don’t have the time or manpower to prosecute everybody who lies on a form, that checks a wrong box, that answers a question inaccurately.”

Submitting false information on an ATF Form 4473 — required for the necessary background check to obtain a firearm — is a felony punishable by up to ten years in prison, depending on prior convictions and the judge, according to the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives.

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TOPICS: News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: 4473; background; backgroundcheck; banglist; biden; bidenisajoke; corruption; democratcorruption; democrats; form4473; guncontrol; liberalstooge; moron; nics; nra; prosecute; secondamendment
When it is all said and done Joe, we don't have time for- you.
1 posted on 01/17/2013 10:05:30 PM PST by Nachum
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2 posted on 01/17/2013 10:07:24 PM PST by Nachum (Back on the Google blacklist- www.nachumlist.com)
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To: Nachum

didn’t he just destroy their whole argument with that statement?


3 posted on 01/17/2013 10:08:10 PM PST by GeronL (http://asspos.blogspot.com)
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4 posted on 01/17/2013 10:08:21 PM PST by Nachum (Back on the Google blacklist- www.nachumlist.com)
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To: GeronL

Yea, but it’s for the children.


5 posted on 01/17/2013 10:10:10 PM PST by Norm Lenhart
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To: GeronL

Well yes, but don’t worry, those 23 Executive Orders will fix EVERYTHING!!!/s;)


6 posted on 01/17/2013 10:11:00 PM PST by Frank_2001
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To: Norm Lenhart

you mean the chiiillllruuun??


7 posted on 01/17/2013 10:12:29 PM PST by GeronL (http://asspos.blogspot.com)
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To: Frank_2001

of course they will, lol


8 posted on 01/17/2013 10:13:03 PM PST by GeronL (http://asspos.blogspot.com)
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To: Nachum

“There’s no way to rule innocent men. The only power government has is the power to crack down on criminals. Well, when there aren’t enough criminals, one makes them. One declares so many things to be a crime that it becomes impossible for men to live without breaking laws.” ~Ayn Rand


9 posted on 01/17/2013 10:14:16 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet (I'll raise $2million for Sarah Palin's presidential run. What'll you do?)
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To: GeronL
didn’t he just destroy their whole argument with that statement?

Nope. They just proved their position. They want to ban guns for everyone and don't care to bother with the finer points of enforcing the laws already on the books. If they did a better job enforcing laws, there would be less opportunities to blame guns for crimes.

10 posted on 01/17/2013 10:14:32 PM PST by tpmintx (Gun free zones are hunting preserves for unarmed people.)
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To: Nachum

Pardon me, aren’t those laws already on the books?


11 posted on 01/17/2013 10:16:59 PM PST by onyx (FREE REPUBLIC IS HERE TO STAY! DONATE MONTHLY! IF YOU WANT ON SARAH PALIN''S PING LIST, LET ME KNOW)
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To: Nachum

[[Biden to NRA: We ‘don’t have the time’ to prosecute people who lie on background checks]]

Freeper to Binden- “Do you have tiem to prosecute peopel who lie on their Application to become Praesident”?


12 posted on 01/17/2013 10:20:29 PM PST by CottShop (Scientific belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge)
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To: GeronL

They have been soooo traumatized by the evil NRA that they lost some of their letters!

Thank God Obama cares for them.

THANK GOD!!!!


13 posted on 01/17/2013 10:33:04 PM PST by Norm Lenhart
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To: Nachum

Where did I hear, in Singapore if one is caught with illegal gun, one gets a life sentence, and if the gun is used in a crime, it is then a death sentence. That sounds harsh but could explain their very low crime rate.


14 posted on 01/17/2013 10:34:06 PM PST by entropy12 (The republic is doomed when people figure out they can get free stuff by voting democrats)
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To: Nachum
We 'don’t have the time' to prosecute people who lie on background checks

This poor clown just blew their more laws argument out of the water, admitted their incompetence and has no idea what he did.
There's stupid and there is super stupid, crazy Joe is super.

15 posted on 01/17/2013 10:38:28 PM PST by The Cajun (Sarah Palin, Mark Levin......Nuff said.)
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To: Nachum

so we pass all these ‘needed’ laws yet don’t proscute people who break them.

then why have the laws, joe? they’re meaningless if you don’t prosecute the criminals breaking them.


16 posted on 01/17/2013 10:39:38 PM PST by Secret Agent Man (I can neither confirm or deny that; even if I could, I couldn't - it's classified.)
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To: GeronL

he did, but he’s too smart to realize it.


17 posted on 01/17/2013 10:40:02 PM PST by Secret Agent Man (I can neither confirm or deny that; even if I could, I couldn't - it's classified.)
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To: Nachum

If the FED doesn’t have time to prosecute those who ‘lie’ on the background check form, then why even have the form or require it to be filled out?

This is just another Lib/Lefist ‘feelgoodism’ that looks good on paper.

The only ones who will honestly fill out the forms are the ones the Admin/Dems and MSM are currently vilifying.

Criminals won’t bother with accuracy, if they even bother to fill out the form.

It is sort of like the adage: locks only keep honest people out.


18 posted on 01/17/2013 10:40:42 PM PST by TomGuy
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To: Nachum

Like background checks for security clearances? Like TSA employees’ background checks? Like someone checking to see if a guy running for president was a foreign citizen for the purposes of attending a US university?


19 posted on 01/17/2013 10:47:19 PM PST by petitfour
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To: TomGuy

This could not be anymore of a low hanging fruit.

If the GOP and the NRA...along with every single group on the supposed side of gun/2A rights does not flood the net and any other media with that very issue, then it will be abundantly clear to even the most willfully blind that they are not serious about it.

We just had a VP amid a battle for more gun laws say they do not try enforcing the current ones.

Hello America?

If they do not wrap this around the admin and gun grabber necks, and we continue to excuse them for their lack of action, regardless of what BS excuse they may come up with, we deserve whatever happens to us. Period.


20 posted on 01/17/2013 10:52:58 PM PST by Norm Lenhart
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To: Nachum
So that explains why David Gregory wasn't prosecuted for waving the Illegal 30 Round Magazine at Wayne LaPierre in Washington D.C.

The Government was too damn busy, unless it was LaPierre doing the same thing to David Gregory of course.

21 posted on 01/17/2013 10:59:55 PM PST by Kickass Conservative (I only Fear a Government that doesn't Fear me.)
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To: entropy12

Having a population with no guns allows Singapore to continue to be a crony capitalist dictatorship, IIRC.


22 posted on 01/17/2013 11:13:03 PM PST by Seizethecarp (Defend aircraft from "runway kill zone" mini-drone helicopter swarm attacks: www.runwaykillzone.com)
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To: CottShop
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23 posted on 01/17/2013 11:26:28 PM PST by BobP (The piss-stream media - Never to be watched again in my house)
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To: BobP

lol good point-


24 posted on 01/17/2013 11:42:41 PM PST by CottShop (Scientific belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge)
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To: GeronL

Yes, he did but it won’t matter because ‘Rats are logic challenged.


25 posted on 01/18/2013 12:50:05 AM PST by jospehm20
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To: onyx

To #11: Re “aren’t those laws already on the books”

To which Biden might say, “We don’t need no stinkin’ books”, nor the Constitution, nor existing laws, nor common sense.

I once liked Biden but his Svengali side has taken over and we can now see him for what he really is - a blithering idiot and Obama toadie without an original thought of his own.

Another puppet of the puppetmasters only I think one of his strings is broken.


26 posted on 01/18/2013 12:54:46 AM PST by MadMax, the Grinning Reaper
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To: GeronL
"didn’t he just destroy their whole argument with that statement?"

My thought too. Why even have the form?

27 posted on 01/18/2013 2:36:24 AM PST by DeaconRed (Japan said after WW2 they never considered invading US. Too many with Guns. 2nd amendant worked.)
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To: Nachum

28 posted on 01/18/2013 4:38:19 AM PST by Lucky9teen (Peace is that brief glorious moment in history when everybody stands around reloading.~Thomas Jeffer)
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To: Nachum
Too busy implementing stalin’s plan huh joe... you &*($&*&@* idiot.

LLS

29 posted on 01/18/2013 4:48:49 AM PST by LibLieSlayer (FROM MY COLD, DEAD HANDS!)
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To: Nachum
Mordor-on-the-Potomac has become so morbidly obese with laws, rules and regulations that it can't move to enforce them.

Joe just admitted that Mordor doesn't "have the time" or resources to enforce any type of gun registration or confiscation if We the People were to comply or ignore.

30 posted on 01/18/2013 5:11:31 AM PST by DTogo (High time to bring back The Sons of Liberty !!)
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To: Nachum

Ummmm .... I thought that the PURPOSE of a background check is to ensure that the submitted information was correct and truthful. And now Clueless Joe is saying that they can’t get that process straight?


31 posted on 01/18/2013 6:57:37 AM PST by NewJerseyJoe (Rat mantra: "Facts are meaningless! You can use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true!")
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To: All

I am positive that Joe bite me was chosen as veep as assassination insurance. Dumber than a box of rocks.


32 posted on 01/18/2013 7:03:53 AM PST by Arrowhead1952 (0 bummer inherited a worse economy in 2012 than he did in 2008.)
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To: Nachum
Submitting false information on an ATF Form 4473 — required for the necessary background check to obtain a firearm — is a felony punishable by up to ten years in prison, depending on prior convictions and the judge, according to the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives.

So Joe is telegraphing that the administration has no plans to prosecute the ATF's number 2 man for doing just that? Figures.

If the ATF won't police it's own, and can't enforce the law on the rest of us, how does Joe expect to enforce his gun grab?

33 posted on 01/18/2013 7:09:22 AM PST by Sirius Lee (All that is required for evil to advance is for government to do "something")
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To: Nachum
Submitting false information on an ATF Form 4473 — required for the necessary background check to obtain a firearm — is a felony punishable by up to ten years in prison, depending on prior convictions and the judge, according to the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives.

So Joe is telegraphing that the administration has no plans to prosecute the ATF's number 2 man for doing just that? Figures.

If the ATF won't police it's own, and can't enforce the law on the rest of us, how does Joe expect to enforce his gun grab?

34 posted on 01/18/2013 7:09:41 AM PST by Sirius Lee (All that is required for evil to advance is for government to do "something")
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To: Seizethecarp
Having the pleasure to have visited Singapore several times, if its run, as you say by crony capitalist dictatorship, the dictators are doing lot of things right. As far as I know, they have free and honest elections.

Asking a S-Pore friend the difference between USA freedom and Singapore freedom, his response was “theirs was freedom from crime”. Aside from owning a gun or chewing gum, its hard to argue he's wrong.

As pretty, safe, friendly and clean as Singapore is, I'll still take the USA any day, or at least Texas.

35 posted on 01/18/2013 7:31:49 AM PST by X-spurt (Republic of Texas, Come and Take It!)
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To: X-spurt

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Singapore

“Singapore is a unitary multiparty parliamentary republic with a Westminster system of unicameral parliamentary government. The People’s Action Party has won every election since self-government in 1959, and governs on the basis of a strong state and prioritising collective welfare over individual rights such as freedom of speech.”

“Amnesty International has said that some legal provisions conflict with the right to be presumed innocent until proven guilty, and that Singapore has “possibly the highest execution rate in the world relative to its population”.[37] The government has disputed Amnesty’s claims.[38] In a 2008 survey, international business executives believed Singapore, along with Hong Kong, had the best judicial system in Asia.[39] In 2011, in the World Justice Project’s Rule of Law Index Singapore was ranked in the top countries surveyed in “Order and Security”, “Absence of Corruption”, and “Effective Criminal Justice”. However, it scored very low for both “Freedom of Speech” and “Freedom of Assembly”.[40] All public gatherings of five or more people require police permits, and protests may only be legally held at Speakers’ Corner.[41]”

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lee_Kuan_Yew

“Lee Kuan Yew”

“Lee Kuan Yew (born Harry Lee Kuan Yew, 16 September 1923[2]), GCMG, CH, is a Singaporean politician.[3][4][5][6] He was the first Prime Minister of the Republic of Singapore, governing for three decades. He is also widely recognized as the founding father of modern Singapore.”


36 posted on 01/18/2013 7:54:11 AM PST by Seizethecarp (Defend aircraft from "runway kill zone" mini-drone helicopter swarm attacks: www.runwaykillzone.com)
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To: Nachum
And fools like Ed Morrissey on Hot Air at the end of his opinion piece wrote: "I’m not opposed to expanding background checks in principle, but what’s the point if no one follows up on the bad actors they expose in the existing system?"

Obama's 23 Imperial Orders sounded so reasonable, don't you agree? To moderate Republicans/'conservatives', how can you not try to save the innocent children?

My question is why Obama/his ilk always SOUND so vague yet so ever-over-reaching?

How does the Ed Morrissey'es of the world think expanding the current background check is agreeable in principle? Should any one else also go through a background check because they might possibly be in your house and thus have slight chance of access to your firearms? to what degree is reasonable to 'save the life of just one child' in Carney's words?

37 posted on 01/18/2013 8:30:01 AM PST by Sir Napsalot (Pravda + Useful Idiots = CCCP; JournOList + Useful Idiots = DopeyChangey!)
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To: Nachum

What if considerable numbers of people stopped paying income tax? Do you think the govt would have time to prosecute them? Or resources? :)

I firmly believe that if people don’t have the guts to organize for the purpose of reining in the govt by withdrawing the revenue, they don’t have the guts to organize to resist gun confiscation (at any speed, it is still pure confiscation). And without organizing, you’ll just get picked off one at a time.


38 posted on 01/18/2013 8:49:27 AM PST by HomeAtLast ( You're either with the Tea Party, or you're with the EBT Party.)
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To: HomeAtLast
What if considerable numbers of people stopped paying income tax? Do you think the govt would have time to prosecute them? Or resources?

Sounds good- but. The IRS and a host of other alphabet soup agencies were give virtual carte blanche by 'the Won' to go after tax evaders. Sure, they might let a few little fish go, but the IRS agents can and will come with law enforcement and make your (and anyone else's) life miserable. They come armed, they confiscate, they incarcerate.

Obamatron increased the numbers of agents. Bought them all lots of hollow point ammo, and are DARING you and anyone else to try. They WANT you to become a criminal so they can make an example of you.

39 posted on 01/18/2013 8:59:16 AM PST by Nachum (Back on the Google blacklist- www.nachumlist.com)
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To: Nachum
But if enough people did it, with clear purpose and objectives...like the proverbial hordes walking in sync on a bridge can bring it down...then wouldn't the govt have to back down? Who'd pay the salaries of these people hired to come, confiscate, incarcerate, etc.? And who'd have the funds and manpower to deal with all the angry EBT party when they got all lathered up about a possible delay in the gravy train?

Besides, so many are saying they will take a stand like we haven't seen since the Alamo. Surely they have the backbone and steady fingers to snap their purses shut?

I hasten to add it isn't entirely about tax rebellion or "evasion." One can as well avoid income tax legally, simply by ceasing to work, and announcing that one is accepting the hardship for patriotic reasons. So far, the government can't force anyone to keep working.

40 posted on 01/18/2013 9:21:02 AM PST by HomeAtLast ( You're either with the Tea Party, or you're with the EBT Party.)
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