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Obama gun order triples Cabinet agencies required to track guns
washingtonexaminer.com ^ | January 16, 2013 | Paul Bedard

Posted on 01/17/2013 1:02:36 PM PST by TLI

President Obama is tripling the number of Cabinet agencies with gun control law enforcement responsibilities in his new bid to track guns, adding six agencies to the three typically included--Justice, Homeland Security and Defense.

Section 1.e of his executive order released Wednesday adds State, Treasury, Interior, Agriculture, Energy, and Veterans Affairs. It reads: "For purposes of this memorandum, 'Federal law enforcement agencies' means the Departments of State, the Treasury, Defense, Justice, the Interior, Agriculture, Energy, Veterans Affairs, and Homeland Security, and such other agencies and offices that regularly recover firearms in the course of their criminal investigations as the President may designate."

Most federal agencies have a police or security arm, but typically law enforcement doesn't included those other six agencies. Justice, in fact, defines law enforcement this way on its web page:

"A federal law enforcement agency is an organizational unit, or subunit, of the federal government with the principle functions of prevention, detection, and investigation of crime and the apprehension of alleged offenders. Examples of federal law enforcement agencies include the U.S. Customs and Border Protection, Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI), the Secret Service, and the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms (ATF). BJS has surveyed federal law enforcement agencies seven times since 1993. The 2008 Census of Federal Law Enforcement Officers (FLEO) included agencies that employed full-time officers with federal arrest authority who were also authorized (but not necessarily required) to carry firearms while on duty. The officer counts exclude officers in the U.S. Armed Forces (Army, Navy, Air Force, Marines, and Coast Guard), the Central Intelligence Agency (CIA), and the Transportation Security Administration's Federal Air Marshals. Findings are based on the 2008 Census of Federal Law Enforcement Officers."

Watchdog blogger Jeryl Bier, who pens the blog Speak with Authority, called the expansion "sweeping," although he conceded that it is unclear why the definition has been expanded from three federal agencies to nine. It appears, however, that the president is signaling to all Cabinet agencies that he expects them to help track guns.

"This is a pretty sweeping definition compared to the Justice Department's definition," Bier blogged Wednesday. "Since the memo also addressed other executive departments and agencies,' it is unclear what this partial deputizing of other agencies as 'law enforcement' means."


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Department of Defense? The military? And Department of Agriculture?

What is the definition of "track guns?"

And just what duties, functions and authority are being invented out of thin air to "track guns?"

What makes these six additional agencies qualified to perform . . . whatever is meant by "track guns?

Will these additional unfunded duties impair those six agencies ability to do their real jobs?

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1 posted on 01/17/2013 1:02:42 PM PST by TLI
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To: TLI

Has Congress authorized funding for these new agencies?


2 posted on 01/17/2013 1:08:10 PM PST by BipolarBob (Happy Hunger Games! May the odds be ever in your favor.)
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To: TLI

Court Bars Navy Vet From Gun Purchase Over 1968 Misdemeanor
http://freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2979145/posts


3 posted on 01/17/2013 1:10:30 PM PST by familyop (We Baby Boomers are croaking in an avalanche of rotten politics smelled around the planet.)
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To: TLI

Hmm....didn’t a number of these agencies order several hundred million rounds of assorted ammunition earlier this year?

Interesting.


4 posted on 01/17/2013 1:12:22 PM PST by Tucsonican
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To: Tucsonican

The beginnings of Obama’s civilian security force that he wants to build?


5 posted on 01/17/2013 1:15:00 PM PST by Jim Robinson (Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God!!)
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To: Tucsonican

Jobs for the Black Panthers?


6 posted on 01/17/2013 1:15:44 PM PST by Jim Robinson (Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God!!)
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To: TLI

Veterans Affairs and our military are now law enforcement agencies?


7 posted on 01/17/2013 1:18:09 PM PST by R. Scott (Humanity i love you because when you're hard up you pawn your Intelligence to buy a drink)
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To: TLI

The huge agencies ammo purchases may have been normal and “regularly scheduled,” but what if they weren’t

230:1


8 posted on 01/17/2013 1:19:17 PM PST by petro45acp (More sheepdogs please...)
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To: TLI

bookmark


9 posted on 01/17/2013 1:20:37 PM PST by squarebarb ( Fairy tales are basically true.)
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To: BipolarBob

Has Congress authorized funding for these new agencies?
............................................................If it hasn’t already it soon will. They do whatever Obama tells them to do and they all spend money likes it’s water.


10 posted on 01/17/2013 1:24:05 PM PST by Venturer
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To: BipolarBob
Has Congress authorized funding for these new agencies?

Not necessary if Obama declares Congress out of session, again.

11 posted on 01/17/2013 1:28:44 PM PST by tsowellfan (cafenetamerica.com)
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To: TLI

Veterans departments? Surely they are not considering disarming the people with military experience and training. That would be as stupid as disarming everyone on a military base.


12 posted on 01/17/2013 1:29:33 PM PST by DBrow
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To: TLI

More government bow wows...


13 posted on 01/17/2013 1:33:07 PM PST by Eric in the Ozarks (In the game of life, there are no betting limits)
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To: Tucsonican

Bingo....ties in with all of the ammo purchases. My my how all of this planning is coming together. How convienient for the annointed one.

Is it still too early?????


14 posted on 01/17/2013 1:36:36 PM PST by eartick (Been to the line in the sand and liked it)
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To: DBrow
Surely they are not considering disarming the people with military experience and training.

We all know how much he respects the military . . .

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15 posted on 01/17/2013 1:39:59 PM PST by TLI ( ITINERIS IMPENDEO VALHALLA)
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To: TLI

Everytime little spoiled 3 year old hussein doesn’t immediately get his way he cries, stomps is feet and threatens to hold his breath. Whaaaaaaa!


16 posted on 01/17/2013 1:46:28 PM PST by bgill (We've passed the point of no return. Welcome to Al Amerika.)
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To: R. Scott
Veterans Affairs and our military are now law enforcement agencies?

The Posse Comitatus Act is the United States federal law (18 U.S.C. § 1385, original at 20 Stat. 152) that was passed on June 18, 1878, after the end of Reconstruction and was updated in 1981. Its intent (in concert with the Insurrection Act of 1807) was to limit the powers of Federal government in using federal military personnel to enforce the State laws. Contrary to popular belief, the Act does prohibit members of the United States Armed Forces from exercising Law enforcement agency powers within a State, police, or peace officer powers that maintain "law and order"; it requires that any authority to do so must exist within the United States Constitution or Act of Congress (which it currently does not except under the Insurrection Act).{Federalist 29 (Hamilton, 1788)} Any use of the Armed Forces under either Title 10/Active Duty or Title 10/Reserves at the direction of the President will offend the Constitutional Law also known as Public Law prohibiting such action unless declared by the President of the United States and approved by Congress.

Looks like a direct violation of the Constitution.

Like that is even noticed by his fascist azz.

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17 posted on 01/17/2013 1:48:54 PM PST by TLI ( ITINERIS IMPENDEO VALHALLA)
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To: TLI

The underlying ploy is continuing to find ways to GROW and EXPAND the Government and those EMPLOYED by it and DEPENDENT upon it.<p?

The U.S. Government is a CANCER that is trying to metastasize.


18 posted on 01/17/2013 1:50:07 PM PST by VideoDoctor
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To: Jim Robinson
The beginnings of Obama’s civilian security force that he wants to build?

It sure seems that way.

19 posted on 01/17/2013 1:51:10 PM PST by Tucsonican
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To: TLI

It sounds to me like the dear leader is following his idol Hugo Chavez’ game plan.
I wonder how far we’ll have to descend into a total dictatorship before the “representatives” in DC put a stop to it.
I am very afraid for our country in the next four years.


20 posted on 01/17/2013 1:59:53 PM PST by taillightchaser (I'm going to become a criminal so I can keep my guns.)
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To: TLI
and such other agencies and offices that regularly recover firearms in the course of their criminal investigations as the President may designate."

Fire Departments?

Ambulance services?

City code inspectors?

What is meant by "and such other agencies?"

According to the statement it will allow him control over PD's to animal control.

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21 posted on 01/17/2013 2:02:09 PM PST by TLI ( ITINERIS IMPENDEO VALHALLA)
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To: TLI; Admin Moderator

Looking at this one a bit closer and it is a significant development. Can you add to “Front Page News?” I thought it was in there, apparently not.

T.I.A.

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22 posted on 01/17/2013 2:15:23 PM PST by TLI ( ITINERIS IMPENDEO VALHALLA)
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To: TLI

Done.


23 posted on 01/17/2013 2:18:53 PM PST by Red Steel
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To: TLI
Per Wikipedia, this would appear to be in violation of the Firearm Owners Protection Act ("McClure-Volkmer") of 1986.

Registry prohibition - The Act also forbade the U.S. Government agency from keeping a registry directly linking non-National Firearms Act (1934) firearms (essentially, pre-1986 machine guns) to their owners.

Nevertheless, the ATF Firearms Tracing System (FTS) contains hundreds of millions of firearm tracing and registration records, and consists of several databases:

1. Multiple Sale Reports - Over 460,000 (2003) Multiple Sales reports (ATF F 3310.4 - a registration record with specific firearms and owner name and address - increasing by about 140,000 per year). Reported as 4.2 million records in 2010.
2. Suspect Guns - All guns suspected of being used for criminal purposes but not recovered by law enforcement. This database includes individuals purchasing large quantities of firearms, and dealers with improper record keeping. May include guns observed by law enforcement in an estate, or at a gun show, or elsewhere. Reported as 34,807 in 2010.
3. Traced Guns - Over 4 million detail records from all traces since inception. This is a registration record which includes the personal information of the first retail purchaser, along with the identity of the selling dealer.
4. Out of Business Records - Data is manually collected from paper Out-of-Business records (or input from computer records) and entered into the trace system by ATF. These are registration records which include name and address, make, model, serial and caliber of the firearm(s), as well as data from the 4473 form - in digital or image format. In March, 2010, ATF reported receiving several hundred million records since 1968.
5. Theft Guns - Firearms reported as stolen to ATF. Contained 330,000 records in 2010. Contains only thefts from licensed dealers and interstate carriers (optional). Does not have an interface to the FBI's National Crime Information Center (NCIC) theft data base, where the majority of stolen, lost and missing firearms are reported.

24 posted on 01/17/2013 2:25:53 PM PST by MacNaughton
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To: TLI

it is unclear what this partial deputizing of other agencies as ‘law enforcement’ means.”

Organs of internal security will naturally FIND what
ever they are charged with, if for nothing else but
their own survival.

It does not bode well for American freedom.


25 posted on 01/17/2013 2:30:39 PM PST by tet68 ( " We would not die in that man's company, that fears his fellowship to die with us...." Henry V.)
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To: Tucsonican
Hmm....didn’t a number of these agencies order several hundred million rounds of assorted ammunition earlier this year?

Ya, but we were told by those on the government payroll hundreds of millions of rounds were simply for routine target practice...Someone did the numbers and it came out to about 10,000 rounds each...lol

26 posted on 01/17/2013 2:34:44 PM PST by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: TLI

Someone said on another post and I am wondering if it’s true,,Obama is really after the veterans. Those are the people who concern him most. Sad. Scary.


27 posted on 01/17/2013 2:43:35 PM PST by austinaero
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To: austinaero

Maybe we need to seek out and become friends with those who supply illegal IDs and then use THOSE IDs to register the guns with. Hey, we gotta think like that enemy.


28 posted on 01/17/2013 2:46:04 PM PST by austinaero
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To: TLI

They will NOT be ABLE to track half of mine.
None are “registered”.
Only one of the rest was purchased from the manufacture.
(lost in traggic canoe accident)

Others, bought 2nd hand, only have background check paper on them.

If they start invading stores for those records, we’ll have a long warning period.


29 posted on 01/17/2013 3:06:35 PM PST by G Larry (Which of Obama's policies do you think I'd support if he were white?)
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To: austinaero
Someone said on another post and I am wondering if it’s true,,Obama is really after the veterans.

Totally true.

Veterans, Right-to-life, Pro-Legal immigration, Second Amendment, ect.

Pretty much any rule of law upholding American Citizens.

Homeland Security Secretary Janet Napolitano said Wednesday that she was briefed before the release of a controversial intelligence assessment and that she stands by the report, which lists returning veterans among terrorist risks to the U.S.

But the top House Democrat with oversight of the Department of Homeland Security said in a letter to Ms. Napolitano that he was “dumbfounded” that such a report would be issued.

“This report appears to raise significant issues involving the privacy and civil liberties of many Americans - including war veterans,” said Rep. Bennie Thompson of Mississippi, chairman of the House Homeland Security Committee, in his letter sent Tuesday night.

In her statement Wednesday, Ms. Napolitano defended the report, which says “rightwing extremism” may include groups opposed to abortion and immigration, as merely one among several threat assessments.

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2009/apr/16/napolitano-stands-rightwing-extremism/

Bottom of an old cesspool, communist agenda, evil, persistent and fascistic intent and agenda scum.

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30 posted on 01/17/2013 3:08:08 PM PST by TLI ( ITINERIS IMPENDEO VALHALLA)
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To: TLI

“offices that regularly recover firearms in the course of their criminal investigations as the President may designate.”

as the President may designate? Huh?


31 posted on 01/17/2013 3:37:10 PM PST by SisterK (not my president)
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To: SisterK
as the President may designate? Huh?

Little bammy is constantly teetering between Fascist, Marxist and . . .

Master Of The Universes, known and unknown.

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32 posted on 01/17/2013 3:49:58 PM PST by TLI ( ITINERIS IMPENDEO VALHALLA)
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To: MacNaughton

Since when does silly little things like laws, rules, acts, and that pesky old piece of paper, the Constitution get in the way of what The Messiah? I mean, really!


33 posted on 01/17/2013 5:39:35 PM PST by NCC-1701 (The LEFT's intolerance of the RIGHT is intolerable.)
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To: Jim Robinson
Executive Order 13603 set up the apparatus for forming Odinga's "civilian army".

Sect 501: "there is established in the executive branch a National Defense Executive Reserve (NDER)"

Sect 501(b): "The Secretary of Homeland Security shall issue necessary guidance for the NDER program, including appropriate guidance for establishment, recruitment, training, monitoring, and activation of NDER units"

Sect 502: The head of each agency otherwise delegated functions under this order is delegated the authority of the President ... to employ persons of outstanding experience and ability without compensation...

Effective March 16 2012, Odinga could mobilize his stormtroopers, each Cabinet secretary having his/her own regiment, and has authorized conscription to fill the ranks.

DHS, TSA, SSA and NOAA have been among the agencies stockpiling ammunition. SSA alone has supplied 750 rounds per agent; a combat soldier downrange in Iraq had a basic load of 220 rounds (I know, because that WAS my basic load in Iraq).

The Leftists will not start kicking in doors right away; they know that The Sheep will voluntarily turn in all their guns, and snitch on their neighbors who don't.

34 posted on 01/17/2013 9:14:43 PM PST by Old Sarge (We are officially over the precipice, we just havent struck the ground yet...)
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To: Jim Robinson

“The beginnings of Obama’s civilian security force that he wants to build?”

This is the thing that kills me, that no one has brought this up - especially since his big speech about how we have to do something even if it saves just one life; how we must stand up and say ‘ENOUGH’ as responsible gun owners.

Somehow it eluded everyone that “weapons that belong only in the theater of war” (or so sayeth the won) are somehow OK in a civilian security force that is as well equipped and trained as the military.

Civilians are by the very definition of the word - most assuredly not acting in a military capacity. Same goes for other agents of the government as they act in their official capacity...

Who/what is the civilian security force to be made up of, if not law abiding citizens? If they are to be as well equipped and trained as the military, then what weapons would they have if not the same/equivalent as military issue?

What just happened?!!! I mean... law abiding civilians are being lectured to about how they are not entitled to believe they should have the same advantage against a would be attacker or a violent mob as police or military would, yet some made from whole cloth “civilian security force” is elevated above it all or conveniently forgotten during the discussion.

Sorry... I just don’t get how the American public at large can buy this much bovine excrement, it tends to make me rant.


35 posted on 01/17/2013 10:10:51 PM PST by jurroppi1
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To: TLI
Okay boys and girls, this is as close to every totalitarian proclamation throughout history that I've ever read about. I am now in fear for my life and my family. This is the worst of Obambi's EO's. The Treasury? The Interior? The Agriculture? The Energy? And Veteran's Affairs Departments? This outright dictatorship!

This is a big mistake. I would say reasons why, but don't want to be identified further.

36 posted on 01/17/2013 10:21:52 PM PST by A Navy Vet (An Oath is Forever.)
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To: austinaero

Delay, resist, obstruct, sabotage, Go underground and join like minded groups. Watch who you talk to.


37 posted on 01/17/2013 10:54:29 PM PST by itssme
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To: TLI
Obama is going to squeeze the gun industry, markets and ownership so tight, we'll end up like Canada where the requirements for gun ownership are so convoluted and complex that people just throw their hands up and say "screw it, too much trouble to buy one."

Of course, Canada has nowhere near 400M guns already in circulation. I understand it's been tough to buy a gun up there for the last 50 years....anyway, their forms make it look worse than a passport application, plus a mental exam/interview. Sheesh, just wait, it's gonna get bad.

38 posted on 01/18/2013 3:57:26 AM PST by Scooter100 ("Now that the fog has lifted, I still can't find my pipe". --- S. Holmes)
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To: TLI

The essential fact in all of this from bankruptcy to the shredding of our Constitution is that Bo’s war is not with America’s enemies, but with American patriots.


39 posted on 01/18/2013 4:17:10 AM PST by Neoliberalnot (Marxism works well only with the uneducated and the unarmed.)
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To: taillightchaser

What makes those commie news media folks and commie politicians really stupid is the fact that if they do get a dictatorship, they will at that moment cease to be an asset and merely be a threat to the “throne” that will have to be eliminated.


40 posted on 01/18/2013 4:44:22 AM PST by Quickgun (I got here kicking,screaming and covered in someone else's blood. I can go out that way if I have to)
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To: TLI

41 posted on 01/18/2013 6:15:08 AM PST by PLD
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To: TLI

Cronism out to join forces by combining their lists. As a start. Wow...


42 posted on 01/18/2013 6:33:12 AM PST by sarasota
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To: TLI

Gathering of departments in preparation for his “homeland militia” and the only folks who will be able to have guns?


43 posted on 01/18/2013 6:35:00 AM PST by sarasota
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To: Neoliberalnot

I had never seriously considered buying a gun, but now I’m doing it. I took the NRA Basic Handgun class yesterday, and my instructor is meeting me at a local range next Thursday for firing qualification. Then I’ll buy a gun (not sure which one yet). Here in Colorado, registration of guns is prohibited, so there will only be the background check paperwork.


44 posted on 01/18/2013 9:23:30 AM PST by American Quilter (I will succeed despite the liberals.)
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To: Quickgun

They will not have many friends, will they?


45 posted on 01/18/2013 7:50:56 PM PST by jospehm20
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To: American Quilter

Every US citizen should own guns, just like in Switzerland. Good luck finding ammo. Get yourself a common caliber.


46 posted on 01/19/2013 4:52:27 AM PST by Neoliberalnot (Marxism works well only with the uneducated and the unarmed.)
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