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Breaking Down Obama's 23 Executive Orders
Self | Jan. 16, 2013 | Sampleman

Posted on 01/16/2013 1:57:43 PM PST by SampleMan

The following is a list, provided by the White House, of executive actions President Obama plans to take to address gun violence.
- Followed by my observations on their relevance.

1. Issue a Presidential Memorandum to require federal agencies to make relevant data available to the federal background check system.
- Why aren’t they already doing this? And are you including illegal aliens, because something tells me you aren’t.

2. Address unnecessary legal barriers, particularly relating to the Health Insurance Portability and Accountability Act, that may prevent states from making information available to the background check system.
- Must be talking about Federally mandated COBRA laws, that have made it a felony to do just that.

3. Improve incentives for states to share information with the background check system.
- Has this really been a problem? Any high profile crimes where this was a factor?

4. Direct the Attorney General to review categories of individuals prohibited from having a gun to make sure dangerous people are not slipping through the cracks.
- Why aren’t they already doing this? Or do they mean to define all “bitter clingers” as dangerous? Again, I’m wondering about those illegal aliens, is the Fed finally going to make that information available to law enforcement?

5. Propose rulemaking to give law enforcement the ability to run a full background check on an individual before returning a seized gun.
- And why would seized guns be returned, Oh yea, because the charge, arrest, etc. was invalid, or the person was found to be innocent. Again, has this been a problem?

6. Publish a letter from ATF to federally licensed gun dealers providing guidance on how to run background checks for private sellers.
- Private sellers? What does that mean? A private seller doesn’t go through an FFL dealer. What is being proposed here?

7. Launch a national safe and responsible gun ownership campaign.
- The NRA already does this. But I presume that the Federal gov. will define “responsible” as "not at all".

8. Review safety standards for gun locks and gun safes (Consumer Product Safety Commission).
- I’ve never seen a single story about a malfunctioning gun lock or safe. Is that really a problem?

9. Issue a Presidential Memorandum to require federal law enforcement to trace guns recovered in criminal investigations.
- Once again, why aren’t they already doing this? And will this apply to Federal gun running, as in Fast and Furious?

10. Release a DOJ report analyzing information on lost and stolen guns and make it widely available to law enforcement.
- And again, why aren’t they already doing this? Will the owners get their stolen guns back?????

11. Nominate an ATF director.
-Nobody is running the ATF? Really? Well that explains a lot.

12. Provide law enforcement, first responders, and school officials with proper training for active shooter situations.
- That would appear to be a state and local responsibility, but if the Federal Government has more money than it can currently spend without running into something like a debt ceiling, then well by all means, throw some money at the problem.

13. Maximize enforcement efforts to prevent gun violence and prosecute gun crime.
- Why aren’t they already doing this? I’m guessing that there will be more of the former than the latter, in the form of harassing legal gun owners.

14. Issue a Presidential Memorandum directing the Centers for Disease Control to research the causes and prevention of gun violence.
- Gun violence is a disease? Really? Let me guess, they will find that countries without personal rights have fewer firearm deaths, but they won’t mention the massively higher rates of rape, assault, and forced entry in those same countries.

15. Direct the Attorney General to issue a report on the availability and most effective use of new gun safety technologies and challenge the private sector to develop innovative technologies.
- Here are a couple of hints: don’t point the muzzle at anything you aren’t OK killing, and don’t leave guns where witless individuals will play with them.

16. Clarify that the Affordable Care Act does not prohibit doctors asking their patients about guns in their homes.
- You mean the Affordable Care Act that has increased taxes and insurance rates? Well, I’m OK with MDs asking about guns and other weapons when it has a medical purpose, such as a patient with mental illness, just as long as the MD isn’t required to ask and patients are required to respond.

17. Release a letter to health care providers clarifying that no federal law prohibits them from reporting threats of violence to law enforcement authorities.
- If the Feds hadn’t prosecuted so many health care providers for just such actions, based on Federal COBRA laws, perhaps this would be a non-issue, as it was before COBRA laws.

18. Provide incentives for schools to hire school resource officers.
- Again, that would appear to be a state and local responsibility, but if the Federal Government has more money than it can currently spend without running into something like a debt ceiling, then well by all means, throw some money at the problem.

19. Develop model emergency response plans for schools, houses of worship and institutions of higher education.
- Great. I thought that is what the Feds did after Columbine and after 9-11. Isn’t that what all of the military equipment and training that is flowing from the Federal government to local PDs was all about?

20. Release a letter to state health officials clarifying the scope of mental health services that Medicaid plans must cover.
- Again, that would appear to be a state and local responsibility, but if the Federal Government has more money than it can currently spend without running into something like a debt ceiling, then well by all means, throw some money at the problem….Oh wait, that is an unfunded mandate isn’t it? Ah yes. You get the credit, and the states get the bill.

21. Finalize regulations clarifying essential health benefits and parity requirements within ACA exchanges.
- It would help if ACA (Obama Care) exchanges had any guidelines at all, but you have never found the time to tell the states exactly what the requirements are, which is why only a handful of states have even bothered setting these exchanges up.

22. Commit to finalizing mental health parity regulations.
- I thought we were going to find out what was in Obamacare after it was passed. I guess “after” is still an open ended time frame.

23. Launch a national dialogue led by Secretaries Sebelius and Duncan on mental health.
- Are “National Dialogues” anything like “Listening Tours” and “Town Hall Meetings”, if so, please don’t bother.


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My thoughts on each of Obama's EOs.
1 posted on 01/16/2013 1:57:48 PM PST by SampleMan
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To: SampleMan

Keep calling your Reps (Fed & State), keep buying guns, keep buying ammo, go to the range and join a pro-2nd-amendment group. Don’t let up on these commie bastards one bit.


2 posted on 01/16/2013 2:03:20 PM PST by hal ogen (First Amendment or Reeducation Camp?)
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To: SampleMan
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3 posted on 01/16/2013 2:03:56 PM PST by Candor7 (Obama fascism article:(http://www.americanthinker.com/2009/05/barack_obama_the_quintessentia_1.html))
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“I’ve never seen a single story about a malfunctioning gun lock or safe. Is that really a problem?”

They will find that a Fort Knox safe does not offer enough protection from forced entry, and the “gun lockers” at WalMart are even worse.

The government specs a Class 5 safe as being OK. Can you afford one, will your floor take the weight of one? Or three.


4 posted on 01/16/2013 2:05:11 PM PST by DBrow
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To: SampleMan

They aren’t executive orders.


5 posted on 01/16/2013 2:06:02 PM PST by FewsOrange
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To: SampleMan

Number 9 is an odd one. Issue a Presidential Memorandum to require federal law enforcement to trace guns recovered in criminal investigations.

Basically, you are going to hunt in Tennessee, and leave your southern Georgia home on Friday morning. Half-way there...you get stopped by some county wannabe cops. They see the hunting rifles in the trunk, and decide that this warrants a criminal investigation...thus seizing your guns. Naturally, this will take an entire day, and the odds are...they won’t release the guns until Monday morning. Your choice? Spend at least one night at a local hotel, or drive home to forget the hunt, and return the next week to retrieve your guns.

This would be a heavily abused deal and would help local economies generate more hotel stays.


6 posted on 01/16/2013 2:07:27 PM PST by pepsionice
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To: SampleMan

On the surface, these appear too innocuous, but like the one about training gun sellers about private transfers, either the other shoe is going to fall, or some jurisdictions mandate this.

One of the REAL issues with gun laws is the plethora of conflicting, contradictory and confusing rules, regulations and laws by individual jurisdictions.


7 posted on 01/16/2013 2:08:01 PM PST by ZULU (See video: http://gatesofvienna.blogspot.com/2012/09/the-first-siege-of-vienna.html)
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To: SampleMan

OK. I’ve read them all now and found that they are completely worthless but has he done anything to out right ban anything?

He can bloviate all he wants as long as he doesn’t make any new laws on his own or bypass the constitution. Obama’s full of s***, nothing new here that I can see.

What happens if my doctor asks if I own any guns (he won’t) and I lie and tell him no? Is it now illegal to lie to a doctor?


8 posted on 01/16/2013 2:08:04 PM PST by Graybeard58
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“14. Issue a Presidential Memorandum directing the Centers for Disease Control to research the causes and prevention of gun violence. “

Clinton used CDC to prepare clearly bogus reports about “gun violence” (I see from the news that you MUST say violence after you say gun), so Congress passed a law stopping that. I don’t remember the details. Maybe it was an EO or PDD from GHWB.


9 posted on 01/16/2013 2:08:47 PM PST by DBrow
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To: SampleMan

#13 Would that include prosecuting DOJ and BATF employees for violating gun laws and committing gun crimes?


10 posted on 01/16/2013 2:08:47 PM PST by duffee (In need of new tag line)
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To: Graybeard58

Oh, he left out the most important part. These 23 jokes must spend $500 million!


11 posted on 01/16/2013 2:09:58 PM PST by massgopguy (I owe everything to George Bailey)
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To: SampleMan

By the way, is there any law on the books that says I even have to own gun locks or a gun safe? I don’t own any such items. My gun is worthless in a safe. It’s doing quite well on the night stand by my bed, it’s been there for several years now and still hasn’t shot anybody.


12 posted on 01/16/2013 2:10:52 PM PST by Graybeard58
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“15. Direct the Attorney General to issue a report on the availability and most effective use of new gun safety technologies and challenge the private sector to develop innovative technologies. “

Fascist directives to manufacturers, to make “smart guns” or “microstamping guns” or guns with mag safeties, chamber indicators, radio trackers, or anything else to make them too expensive or impractical.


13 posted on 01/16/2013 2:11:12 PM PST by DBrow
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To: SampleMan

Do you mean HIPPA, instead of COBRA?


14 posted on 01/16/2013 2:12:30 PM PST by DBrow
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To: SampleMan
Nominate an ATF director.

Given the current slate of nominees for vacancies, I suppose we can expect Hizzoner Michael Bloomberg to be nominated.

15 posted on 01/16/2013 2:13:36 PM PST by DeFault User
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To: DBrow
Do you mean HIPPA, instead of COBRA?

I thought HIPPA was part of COBRA, but yes, specifically it is HIPPA that I'm referring to.

16 posted on 01/16/2013 2:15:23 PM PST by SampleMan (Feral Humans are the refuse of socialism.)
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To: Graybeard58

Some states have “safe storage laws”.


17 posted on 01/16/2013 2:15:23 PM PST by DBrow
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To: duffee

We already have laws against murder and criminal conspiracies.


18 posted on 01/16/2013 2:16:00 PM PST by Paladin2
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To: Graybeard58

“What happens if my doctor asks if I own any guns (he won’t) and I lie and tell him no? Is it now illegal to lie to a doctor?”

No, I don’t own A gun, why do you ask? are you also going to ask if I excerise my right to vote?, assemble?, practise my religeon? to excerise my right to speak?

One of my Doctors and I have already had this conversation but only as part of political discussion.


19 posted on 01/16/2013 2:18:10 PM PST by duffee (In need of new tag line)
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To: Graybeard58
What happens if my doctor asks if I own any guns (he won’t) and I lie and tell him no? Is it now illegal to lie to a doctor?

You're not under oath, and he's not a law enforcement official, so you have no legal obligation to tell him the truth. I will tell the doc "no," be polite, pay the bill and never use said doc again. Smart-ass answers will get you put on the list, and I don't want to make it any easier for the statists to do what they'd like.

However, I've never been asked about this issue by a doc before.

20 posted on 01/16/2013 2:22:14 PM PST by Ancesthntr (Banning guns to prevent crime is like banning cars to prevent drunk driving.)
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To: SampleMan

Re: 10. Release a DOJ report analyzing information on lost and stolen guns

It may turn out lots of them lost in the same lake/

Kidding aside, this is good analysis.


21 posted on 01/16/2013 2:22:40 PM PST by Sir Napsalot (Pravda + Useful Idiots = CCCP; JournOList + Useful Idiots = DopeyChangey!)
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To: FewsOrange
They aren’t executive orders.

Correct, I got it right in the body, but made the mistake in the title. My apologies.

22 posted on 01/16/2013 2:23:50 PM PST by SampleMan (Feral Humans are the refuse of socialism.)
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To: SampleMan
HIPPA is so strict that various departments within a hospital can't share patient information with each other. Recently, a California hospital employee lost a thumb drive that may have contained patient data on it and the Feds fined the hospital $4 million.
23 posted on 01/16/2013 2:23:50 PM PST by DeFault User
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To: Graybeard58

I am shopping for a safe, I prefer one with a mechanical lock for several reasons. The clerk told me if a needed a gun in a hurry the electronic locks were much faster, I told him the one I would need in a hurry wouldn’t be in the safe.


24 posted on 01/16/2013 2:25:29 PM PST by duffee (In need of new tag line)
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To: Graybeard58; SampleMan

On the surface, this may look/sound worthless so how can anybody oppose to that?

Once Congress approve and made it into law, then we will find out what’s in it. Just wait for it.


25 posted on 01/16/2013 2:26:50 PM PST by Sir Napsalot (Pravda + Useful Idiots = CCCP; JournOList + Useful Idiots = DopeyChangey!)
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10. Release a DOJ report analyzing information on lost and stolen guns and make it widely available to law enforcement.


They already have that in place. It is called The National Crime Information Center.

Snip.. About the records: The NCIC database currently consists of 21 files. There are seven property files containing records of stolen articles, boats, guns, license plates, parts, securities, and vehicles. There are 14 persons files, including: Supervised Release; National Sex Offender Registry; Foreign Fugitive; Immigration Violator; Missing Person; Protection Order; Unidentified Person; U.S. Secret Service

http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ncic


26 posted on 01/16/2013 2:31:34 PM PST by fudimo
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To: Graybeard58
What happens if my doctor asks if I own any guns...

Ironically the only time I've been shot was by a doctor... (hunting accident).

27 posted on 01/16/2013 2:32:07 PM PST by Last Dakotan
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To: SampleMan

HIPPA pertains to privacy of health records.

COBRA pertains to the ability for someone to retain health insurance when leaving a company (but having to pay ‘full costs’ of the insurance, not just the employee share that the individual had been paying when with the company.)


28 posted on 01/16/2013 2:32:17 PM PST by Vineyard
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To: SampleMan

HIPPA pertains to privacy of health records.

COBRA pertains to the ability for someone to retain health insurance when leaving a company (but having to pay ‘full costs’ of the insurance, not just the employee share that the individual had been paying when with the company.)


29 posted on 01/16/2013 2:32:25 PM PST by Vineyard
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To: Vineyard

Thank you for the clarification.


30 posted on 01/16/2013 2:33:44 PM PST by SampleMan (Feral Humans are the refuse of socialism.)
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To: Paladin2

Yes but those at the DOJ and BATF aren’t being prosecuted for these offenses. Will they be held responsible for their actions under this new executive order?


31 posted on 01/16/2013 2:33:55 PM PST by duffee (In need of new tag line)
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To: Candor7

Outstanding catch~!!!~~~!!!


32 posted on 01/16/2013 2:35:57 PM PST by muawiyah
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To: duffee

No, gov’t gun violence is “free”.


33 posted on 01/16/2013 2:37:08 PM PST by Paladin2
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22. Commit to finalizing mental health parity regulations.

The ability to now have a government/private mental health weenie decide if you are capable/incapable of owning/operating a gun is the worst. What sane mental health wizard would err on YOUR side rather than say no, he/she is not capable of owning a gun? And if you get angry about it, it supports the diagnosis. Compare this to the child services wingnuts who have waaaay too much power to wreak havoc on someone’s life. This dovetails right into the recent new definitions for classifying nutjobs.


34 posted on 01/16/2013 2:41:46 PM PST by SgtHooper (The last thing I want to do is hurt you. But it's still on the list.)
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"8. Review safety standards for gun locks and gun safes (Consumer Product Safety Commission). - I’ve never seen a single story about a malfunctioning gun lock or safe. Is that really a problem?"

The design of a gun lock and the design of a gun safe can (and are sometimes) defeated by owners who either fail to use them or fail to use the properly or responsibly. But, don't worry, politicians like Obama will keep demanding (again and again) they be redesigned to defeat any and all idiots and negligent owners until those redesigns alone raise the costs to the point people will quit buying guns or gun safes - the intention of all such legislation in the first place (how can we make this "bad" stuff too expensive).

35 posted on 01/16/2013 2:43:34 PM PST by Wuli (uire)
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To: Candor7
Excellent. Sometimes history doesn’t just rhyme; cult worship and tyranny are destined to repeat.
36 posted on 01/16/2013 2:45:39 PM PST by Jacquerie ("How few were left who had seen the republic!" - Tacitus, The Annals)
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"12. Provide law enforcement, first responders, and school officials with proper training for active shooter situations. - That would appear to be a state and local responsibility."

Actually, regardless of the merits of any of the proposals that Obama suggests the federal government do without any new federal legislation, many of them can be done better by the state and local authorities, on their own authority (if it really ought to be done).

37 posted on 01/16/2013 2:49:01 PM PST by Wuli (uire)
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To: Graybeard58

“What happens if my doctor asks if I own any guns (he won’t) and I lie and tell him no? Is it now illegal to lie to a doctor?”

I do believe the USSC addressed this issue in its Mack decision. The federal government can’t force anyone into their employ. The docs can tell obuma to stick it where the sun don’t shine. The decision also applies to local governments, counties, states, sheriffs and Indian tribes.


38 posted on 01/16/2013 2:53:21 PM PST by sergeantdave (The FBI has declared war on the Marine Corps)
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To: SampleMan

So, how long before we have to get a background check to exercise our right Freedom of Speech? Freedom of Religion?

Personally, I think having a background check to exercise my 2nd Amendment rights is a violation of my 4th Amendment rights!

What have I done that would warrant such a invasion of my privacy?


39 posted on 01/16/2013 3:00:52 PM PST by ExTxMarine (PRAYER: It's the only HOPE for real CHANGE in America!)
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To: SampleMan

The devil is in the details and they will hide that.

Obozo is a Lying Commie B_tard and he servest the father-of-lies.


40 posted on 01/16/2013 3:01:14 PM PST by Texas Fossil
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“14. Issue a Presidential Memorandum directing the Centers for Disease Control to research the causes and prevention of gun violence.”

The language is bass ackwards - gun violence has one cause - a personality type (fixed or of the moment) stupid and immoral enough to assualt someone with a gun, and many ways and means of “prevention”, not one (but “prevention” only in the sense of possibly lower the frequency).

There is NO way to absolutely prevent “gun violence”, as no system of identification will identify and locate every person who might resort to gun violence before they do; any more than you can idenfify every consumer of alcoholic beverages who will drive a vehicle while drunk and commit vehiclular homicide - before they do.

But Obama is playing to the ignorant masses who think that if Obama is not alone G-d, the whole federal government surely is.


41 posted on 01/16/2013 3:01:53 PM PST by Wuli (uire)
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[your doctor is] not a law enforcement official

Not so fast.

In 1998:

I'd like to think you're correct. But, I don't know how the law is worded and, technically, anyone acting with the authority of the federal government could be considered a "federal agent."

These are perilous times. Those who favor dismantling (rather than repealing) the Second Amendment would be wise to consider that, in doing so, they’re inviting similar unlawful erosion of our First and Fourth Amendment rights in the foreseeable future. If they think that can’t happen, they don’t know human nature, history, and why the Bill of Rights was ratified in the first place.

42 posted on 01/16/2013 3:04:47 PM PST by newgeezer (It is [the people's] right and duty to be at all times armed. --Thomas Jefferson, 1824)
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To: Paladin2

“No, gov’t gun violence is “free”.”

I thought it was their “duty”.


43 posted on 01/16/2013 3:06:02 PM PST by duffee (In need of new tag line)
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# 5. ‘seize’ would include taking via ‘search incidence to arrest’.

IE: you get stopped as a ‘person of interest’ since your car matches the suspect’s description,they see you have a gun and take it while checking you out. it’s not unheard of for that return process to take foreever in certain cities.

now they have an excust to keep it longer to run checks.


44 posted on 01/16/2013 3:06:38 PM PST by TurboZamboni (Looting the future to bribe the present)
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To: ExTxMarine

The idea of background and mental health checks to vote send Dems into shock.


45 posted on 01/16/2013 3:08:34 PM PST by SampleMan (Feral Humans are the refuse of socialism.)
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To: hal ogen
Keep a magic marker in your pocket, and if you suddenly 'feel an urge' to scrawl FUBO & Molon Labe on something,
well...just consider it as 'getting the message out there'!
46 posted on 01/16/2013 3:13:17 PM PST by 45semi (A police state is always preceded by a nanny state...)
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To: duffee

To protect themselves and to be served first.


47 posted on 01/16/2013 3:13:29 PM PST by Paladin2
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To: hal ogen

pleasantly surprised, but shouldnt be I guess, he did exactly zero, zilch, nada. all fluff for the moron voter, nothing more.

Buy lead futures.


48 posted on 01/16/2013 3:14:00 PM PST by prov1813man (While the one you despise and ridicule works to protect you, those you embrace work to destroy you)
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To: DBrow

Mumbo jumbo


49 posted on 01/16/2013 3:14:41 PM PST by Postnbeam (Time is not on our side.)
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To: Graybeard58
By the way, is there any law on the books that says I even have to own gun locks or a gun safe? I don’t own any such items. My gun is worthless in a safe. It’s doing quite well on the night stand by my bed, it’s been there for several years now and still hasn’t shot anybody.

In some states, you are required to have a gun lock with you when you take a newly purchased firearm home. That doesn't mean you have to use the silly thing if it does not fit with your household situation, but you have to own (or borrow) it.

50 posted on 01/16/2013 3:15:02 PM PST by Pollster1
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