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NY Poised to Pass First Gun Bill Since Sandy Hook Shooting
NBC NY ^ | Jan 14, 2013 | Michael Gormley

Posted on 01/14/2013 12:08:01 PM PST by Tirian

A key New York Senate leader and the Assembly speaker said they expect the state Legislature to vote Monday to enact what would be the nation's first gun control measure following last month's Connecticut school shooting.

"I think when all is said and done, we are going to pass a comprehensive gun bill today," Sen. Jeffrey Klein told reporters Monday morning. "I'm very excited about it. I am very confident we are going to vote on a comprehensive bill that will be agreed on by the governor, the Senate and Assembly."

People familiar with closed-door negotiations told The Associated Press a tentative deal was struck over the weekend.

The tentative agreement would further restrict New York's ban on assault weapons, limit the size of magazines to seven bullets, down from the current 10, and enact more stringent background checks for sales. Other elements, pushed by Republicans, would refine a mental health law to make it easier to confine people determined to be a threat to themselves or others.

Senate Republicans also have included a further crackdown on illegal gun trafficking into New York, the people said. Most New York City gun crimes involve weapons illegally brought into the state, state and city officials say.


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Government; News/Current Events; US: New York
KEYWORDS: banglist; corruption; cuomo; democrats; govtabuse; guncontrol; gunlaw; ny; secondamendment; tyranny
Sprung on the State Senate TODAY, as per our state senator's office.
1 posted on 01/14/2013 12:08:10 PM PST by Tirian
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To: Tirian

the sooner they do this the better to the current supreme court can shoot it down for the unconstitutional garbage it is.


2 posted on 01/14/2013 12:09:32 PM PST by TexasFreeper2009 (Obama lied .. the economy died.)
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To: Tirian

btt


3 posted on 01/14/2013 12:10:44 PM PST by Sacajaweau
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To: Tirian
Most New York City gun crimes involve weapons illegally brought into the state scumbags who should have been in prison a long time ago.

There. Fixed it.

4 posted on 01/14/2013 12:13:06 PM PST by Jim Noble (When strong, avoid them. Attack their weaknesses. Emerge to their surprise.)
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To: Tirian

“Most New York City gun crimes involve weapons illegally brought into the state, state and city officials say.”

Of course this is true, everyone knows there are no guns in NYC.


5 posted on 01/14/2013 12:13:17 PM PST by edcoil (Manage your own lawsuit: www.jurisdictionary.com?refercode=KK0012)
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To: Tirian
I'd like to know how some brainiac came up with seven rounds as a limit.
6 posted on 01/14/2013 12:14:24 PM PST by grobdriver (Sic semper tyrannis!)
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To: Tirian
(Posted previously re: Delaware, applies just as well here:)

Since this is being rushed through as a response to Sandy Hook, I'm sure they'll explain to the citizens of their state EXACTLY how these laws would have prevented the Sandy Hook killings, right?

I mean, if they wouldn't have stopped Lanza, then this would just be naked political opportunism, wouldn't it?

7 posted on 01/14/2013 12:14:31 PM PST by kevkrom (If a wise man has an argument with a foolish man, the fool only rages or laughs...)
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To: Tirian

“I’m very excited about it.”

The jerk. I hope he gets primaried out.


8 posted on 01/14/2013 12:15:03 PM PST by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: grobdriver

“I’d like to know how some brainiac came up with seven rounds as a limit. “

That “brainiac” is smarter than you think:

That is as close to a defacto semi auto gun ban as you can have with out coming right out and saying so.


9 posted on 01/14/2013 12:18:45 PM PST by Nik Naym (It's not my fault... I have compulsive smartass disorder.)
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To: Tirian
Article says:
“I am very confident we are going to vote on a comprehensive bill that will be agreed on by the governor, the Senate and Assembly.”

But not the PEOPLE!

Closed Door session so they can't hear what the people say.

It's an outrage that the NY State Republicans are agreeing to this rushed bill that won't do a thing for stopping incidents such as Sandy Hook. It will only try to make felons of law abiding citizens that have exercised their right to keep and bare arms.

10 posted on 01/14/2013 12:18:45 PM PST by FR_addict
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To: Cicero

While I suppose it is callous, I do somewhat lack sympathy for gun owners in NY state. They already put up with very onerous nonsense. To expect it to end short of outright confiscation is fantasy. I imagine some of them can’t move for various reasons, but I never even considered looking for a job in that state because of the gun laws.


11 posted on 01/14/2013 12:19:39 PM PST by drbuzzard (All animals are created equal, but some are more equal than others.)
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To: Tirian

I beleive this is unconstitutional on a Federal level.
I beleive this is unconstitutional on a State level as it is in violation of the State Consititution .

This is another “Ram.., ..Bam , thank you Ma’m “ emotional legislative reaction to get Cuomo higher in the Dem’s list for potential candidates for the next Presidential election.
It is a sign of leadership failure .


12 posted on 01/14/2013 12:20:22 PM PST by Tilted Irish Kilt ("Political correctness is tyranny with manners." - Charlton Heston)
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To: Cicero

Jeffrey D. Klein’s Contact Information

Albany Office
Legislative Office Building, Room 304
Albany, NY 12247
United States
Phone: 518-455-3595
See map: Google Maps

District Office
1250 Waters Place, Suite 1202
Bronx, NY 10461
United States
Phone: (718) 822-2049
Fax: (718) 822-2321
See map: Google Maps

Email address: jdklein@senate.state.ny.us


13 posted on 01/14/2013 12:20:42 PM PST by Revelation 911 (hump scratching n'er do well.....all strung out on chicken wings and venison jerky)
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To: Tirian
"I think when all is said and done, we are going to pass a comprehensive gun bill today," Sen. Jeffrey Klein told reporters Monday morning.

Which will do absolutely NOTHING that the more than 10 thousand current state & local gun laws already on the books can't do.

But hey.....it feeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeels good.

14 posted on 01/14/2013 12:20:45 PM PST by Puppage (You may disagree with what I have to say, but I shall defend to your death my right to say it)
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To: Nik Naym
That is as close to a defacto semi auto gun ban as you can have with out coming right out and saying so.

Can you elaborate? All mine hold more than 7, but you could make 7 shot magazines by plugging the bottom end. Most who have ever duck hunted have plugged their 5 shots to hold 3.

15 posted on 01/14/2013 12:22:31 PM PST by IamConservative (The soul of my lifes journey is Liberty!)
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To: drbuzzard
grew up here - wifes land has been in the family 50 years. The fishing and hunting is awesome and excepting the urban areas the state is tremendously red in the backwoods.....

sad part is that many have already lost their guns in boating accidents

16 posted on 01/14/2013 12:23:37 PM PST by Revelation 911 (hump scratching n'er do well.....all strung out on chicken wings and venison jerky)
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To: Tirian
Other elements, pushed by Republicans, would refine a mental health law to make it easier to confine people determined to be a threat to themselves or others

All you people out there that think "something just has to be done to help stem the violence, blah blah blah"...had just better realize this. All those prescriptions you got for Ambien, Trazadone, or Valium, ANY painkillers at all, or Ritalin for your kids - anything that makes you drowsy, changes your mood, metabolism (e.g., diet pills) ARE going to be logged into Obama's ACA (AKA ObamaCare) medical database, and these freedom-taking bastards will disqualify you for Guns, and likely for many other things they find out they don't like.

You have been warned!

17 posted on 01/14/2013 12:27:05 PM PST by Gaffer
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To: Tirian
 
 
with closed-door negotiations
 
One problem right there. No open deliberations in front of "the people" with live mics and cameras rolling. Just deals struck in the shadows to be promptly sprung upon a disenfranchised citizenry. Tyranny.
 
 

18 posted on 01/14/2013 12:27:39 PM PST by lapsus calami (What's that stink? Code Pink ! ! And their buddy Murtha, too!)
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To: Tirian

Seeing as the Gestapo in the federal government use the interstate commerce clause to twist and distort the constitution at every turn then tell me why this ban is not a direct affront to interstate commerce?


19 posted on 01/14/2013 12:28:02 PM PST by Wurlitzer (Nothing says "ignorance" like Islam!)
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To: Tirian

Just ran into our local NRA rep in town and he told me that inside sources say that Cuomo’s bill is going to limit folks to 10 guns.

Waiting for his email and will post link when received.


20 posted on 01/14/2013 12:28:53 PM PST by panaxanax
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To: grobdriver
They are proposing 7 rounds for two reasons.

1) If it passes, they effectively ban semi-autos, only revolvers.

2) They can look like heroes by “compromising” from 7 to 10 round mags and therefore paint opponents as crazy and intransigent. (Ten rounds is probably where they wanted to be in the first place.)

21 posted on 01/14/2013 12:30:58 PM PST by Obadiah (It is when a people forget God, that tyrants forge their chains.)
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To: Tirian
Makes me Wonder which part of “shall not be infringed.” they can't get their rat sized brains around.
22 posted on 01/14/2013 12:31:42 PM PST by Big Mack (I didn't claw my way to the top of the food chain to eat VEGETABLES!)
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To: TexasFreeper2009
the sooner they do this the better to the current supreme court can shoot it down for the unconstitutional garbage it is.

Unconstitutionality, is dependent upon the constitution of the supreme court, or the make up of that court.

With 4 judges who can be reliably be counted on to vote with liberal policies, and with 4 republicans who "might" vote against liberal policies, and with one judge who can swing either way, chances are that, liberals could end up winning the policy argument, regardless of whatever new laws are passed or new executive orders are implemented.

The Obamacare ruling last year, has emboldened liberals to try to get more laws and regulations passed that, in prior times, would have easily been ruled unconstitutional.
23 posted on 01/14/2013 12:36:59 PM PST by adorno (Y)
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To: Tirian

...closed door negotiations....

taking way rights under the guise of legitimate legislation, behind closed doors, away from prying eyes...


24 posted on 01/14/2013 12:37:22 PM PST by Secret Agent Man (I can neither confirm or deny that; even if I could, I couldn't - it's classified.)
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To: Revelation 911

Yeah, I have some sympathy for those who are tied down. Not much you can do about it. Especially since the whole damn state is mostly controlled by one corrupt city.

I certainly would be in the boating accident crowd were I in your shoes.

I remember hearing about lots and lots of Canadians from the more rural areas who had boating accidents en masse as well.


25 posted on 01/14/2013 12:38:04 PM PST by drbuzzard (All animals are created equal, but some are more equal than others.)
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To: grobdriver

probably thinking about wheel gun limits...5,6,7...because obviously 10 you’d never, ever ever use. you’ll nver face off against a’coked up muscle freak, youll never ever go up against home’invaderd wearing armor, you’ll never have multiple attackers come after you - they even say this as a guarantee by the state of NY and you can sue them if it happens - oh wait, they didn’t say that, and you can’t sue NY if these scenarios happen and your 7 rounds aren’t enough.


26 posted on 01/14/2013 12:41:23 PM PST by Secret Agent Man (I can neither confirm or deny that; even if I could, I couldn't - it's classified.)
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To: Tirian
Ain't it great? Everyone agrees, "in closed-door session."

Nothing like "government in the sunshine, eh?

You know, it just might be possible to divide this country along state boundaries again, after all...

27 posted on 01/14/2013 12:55:09 PM PST by Prospero
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To: drbuzzard
I certainly would be in the boating accident crowd were I in your shoes.

New York has that covered as well in that the failure to promptly report a lost or stolen firearm is a misdemeanor.

28 posted on 01/14/2013 1:04:26 PM PST by Labyrinthos
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To: Labyrinthos

Does that mean they are going to dredge the lake if you report the gun accidentally lost in it?


29 posted on 01/14/2013 1:07:06 PM PST by drbuzzard (All animals are created equal, but some are more equal than others.)
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To: drbuzzard

No, but if you are late found in possession of a lost or stolen firearm, them may prosecute you for (a) filing a false report; and (b) possession of a lost or stolen firearm.


30 posted on 01/14/2013 1:11:04 PM PST by Labyrinthos
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To: Labyrinthos

True, but I imagine that you’re probably already in trouble if they’re able to search your premises like that.


31 posted on 01/14/2013 1:14:41 PM PST by drbuzzard (All animals are created equal, but some are more equal than others.)
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To: Tirian
Headline?

Deal brokered by state's criminals, exempts them
NY Has Tentative Deal on Gun Control
Restricts Assault Weapons, Limits Magazine Size

32 posted on 01/14/2013 1:17:40 PM PST by WilliamofCarmichael (If modern America's Man on Horseback is out there, Get on the damn horse already!)
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To: Tirian

Call your NY representatives. They are meeting behind closed doors and don’t sound like they are going to abide by the three day rule for posting a bill before voting on it!


33 posted on 01/14/2013 1:18:12 PM PST by FR_addict
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To: Tirian

Ok then. I’m cancelling next summer’s planned trip to NY, and will be instating a personal boycott of NY products and service providers. Maybe I’ll spend my vacation dollars in Texas.


34 posted on 01/14/2013 1:22:18 PM PST by Trod Upon (Civilian disarmament is the precursor to democide.)
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To: FR_addict

http://assembly.state.ny.us/mem/

http://www.nysenate.gov/


35 posted on 01/14/2013 1:23:52 PM PST by FR_addict
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To: Tirian
F the governor, the Senate and Assembly. Want our guns, come and get them you pompous asses.
36 posted on 01/14/2013 1:30:25 PM PST by Logical me
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To: Tirian

From thirty to ten to “five or six” to three to one to NONE!

Bloomberg Blasts NRA: ‘Connecticut Is Because of Some of Their Actions’

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But if he had his preference, Bloomberg said he would go farther than the 1994 ban and outlaw all automatic and semi-automatic weapons and high-capacity magazines. The mayor said magazines shouldn’t be allowed to contain more than five or six rounds.

“If you haven’t hit the deer with three shots, you’re a pretty lousy shot. The deer deserves to get away,” he said....

link: http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/bloomberg-blasts-nra-connecticut-actions/story?id=18029157


37 posted on 01/14/2013 1:37:40 PM PST by theBuckwheat
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To: Nik Naym

My standard mag for 1911 45 ACP is 7 + 1.


38 posted on 01/14/2013 1:56:19 PM PST by TNoldman (AN AMERICAN FOR A MUSLIM/BHO FREE AMERICA.)
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To: adorno

the 5 judges who ruled for the 2nd amendment as an individual right are still sitting on the court.


39 posted on 01/14/2013 2:38:51 PM PST by TexasFreeper2009 (Obama lied .. the economy died.)
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To: Tirian

Sounds like the Republicans are doing what they usually do in a situation like this: Shooting owners in the back.


40 posted on 01/14/2013 2:43:07 PM PST by Redcloak (Winter is coming.)
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To: Redcloak

Make that gun owners. (Stupid keyboard.)


41 posted on 01/14/2013 2:45:10 PM PST by Redcloak (Winter is coming.)
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To: theBuckwheat

Actually, mayor, we save our ‘high capacity mags’ for the dope-dealing NYC, Philly and Boston gang-banging thugs visiting our little state. If you could keep them on home-turf we could stop sending them back in pine boxes.


42 posted on 01/14/2013 2:46:09 PM PST by GreyHoundSailor
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To: Jim Noble
Most New York City gun crimes involve victims whom the New York government disarmed by force or threat of force ... victims whose inability to defend themselves is entirely the fault of the City and State of New York.

New York City government loves criminals. New York City government protects criminals. New York City government is a friend to murderers, rapists, robbers, and burglars. New York City government ... Mayor, City Council, Police Chief, on down to the lowliest beat patrolman, should be on trial as accessory before and after the fact to every murder, rape, assault, robbery, and burglary committed in the City.

43 posted on 01/14/2013 2:48:53 PM PST by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: panaxanax

My ancestors came from Pennsylvania, a mere 49 miles away!


44 posted on 01/14/2013 2:58:16 PM PST by Larry R. Johnson (Power to the people!)
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To: TexasFreeper2009
the 5 judges who ruled for the 2nd amendment as an individual right are still sitting on the court.

Doesn't mean they'll rule the same way again. Times change, and opinions change, and oftentimes, people are influenced by current events, including judges.
45 posted on 01/14/2013 3:02:44 PM PST by adorno (Y)
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To: grobdriver

The guy selling revolvers that hold 7, 8, 9 and 10 rounds. You can get 7-8 rounds of .357 in a revolver, 9-10 of .22 long rifle. If this passes, I predict everyone in NY will be going back to the good old .45. Last bill limiting size of magazines breathed new life into the .45 and this should help even more.


46 posted on 01/14/2013 6:17:32 PM PST by Boomer One
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To: drbuzzard
comments appreciated -

If any of you had questions on cuomos '16 run - this should answer things.....

That said, I'm off to the carolinas when my wifes folks pass on - we will just keep the property and use it as a summer place....as of today - Im sick of the place

47 posted on 01/15/2013 4:41:26 AM PST by Revelation 911 (hump scratching n'er do well.....all strung out on chicken wings and venison jerky)
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To: TexasFreeper2009
the same court that gave us obamacare?

I love your optimism though

48 posted on 01/15/2013 4:43:03 AM PST by Revelation 911 (hump scratching n'er do well.....all strung out on chicken wings and venison jerky)
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