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The Great New Year Stampede: Americans Rushing to beat Obamacare and gun bans.
National Review ^ | 01/03/2013 | Victor Davis Hanson

Posted on 01/03/2013 7:07:37 AM PST by SeekAndFind

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1 posted on 01/03/2013 7:07:45 AM PST by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

I admit it. I bought one for the first time.


2 posted on 01/03/2013 7:09:40 AM PST by Daveinyork (."Trusting government with power and money is like trusting teenaged boys with whiskey and car keys,)
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To: SeekAndFind

I’m trying to by a new 7.62 semi-auto. No luck at all so far.


3 posted on 01/03/2013 7:12:04 AM PST by RC one (From My Cold Dead Hands.)
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To: SeekAndFind

Vote with your $.

Buy hard goods as inflation hedge.

If bed breaks, mattress won’t hit the ground, but may be a little hard.


4 posted on 01/03/2013 7:18:22 AM PST by Scrambler Bob (Honk Honk - I am the Goose that laid the Golden Eggs - and I have tightened the sphincter! ....)
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To: SeekAndFind
As long as the corrupt MSM retains their stranglehold on the ability to recreate and package information our freedoms will continue to be massively eroded.

It was the corrupt MSM that elected and then floated Bill Clinton. It was the corrupt MSM that prevented information about Obama from causing him political damage and thus enabling him to be elected. It was the corrupt MSM that reelected Obama despite the abject misery.

Coupled with a nation of people who have absolutely no spiritual and moral foundation and you have a people who believe anything pop culture pitches them.

Unless there is a spiritual revival of huge proportions in this land we are doomed.

5 posted on 01/03/2013 7:19:07 AM PST by Obadiah (Brace for impact.)
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To: SeekAndFind
Sigh.....

.....but did not Sandy Hook come along at the most convenient time for this administration?...right on the heels of F&F?....it has to be a coincidence since there is NOBODY who would engineer such a tragedy just to further an agenda......

.....or is there?

6 posted on 01/03/2013 7:21:37 AM PST by B.O. Plenty (Elections have consequences....)
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To: SeekAndFind

When they come for the guns, and that will be sooner, I think, than later, the decision will have been made to sovietize the USA completely and things will move very quickly. The killings and disappearances will begin and targeted famines. George W Kerensky has been followed by Barrack Hussein Lenin. The guns will be confiscated when the military has been satisfactorily neutralized which operation is probably well under weigh.


7 posted on 01/03/2013 7:27:20 AM PST by arthurus (Read Hazlitt's Economics In One Lesson ONLINE www.fee.org/library/books/economics-in-one-lesson)
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To: SeekAndFind
The US government is too big.

Seemingly, every department's reason for existence is to expand itself. To finance this expansion, fedgov is borrowing 40 cents of every dollar it spends. Most of this money is borrowed from the Federal Reserve, in essense fedgov borrows from fedgov to finance fedgov. This will not end well. Am I missing something?

8 posted on 01/03/2013 7:30:12 AM PST by Former Proud Canadian (Obamanomics-We don't need your stinking tar sands oil, we'll just grow algae.)
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To: SeekAndFind

The Illinois legislature is poised to take away all modern guns, including those that were grandfathered in, from registered gun owners.

The government plans to seize them one way or the other.


9 posted on 01/03/2013 7:31:38 AM PST by stars & stripes forever (Blessed is the nation whose God is the Lord!)
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To: SeekAndFind

I did my part yesterday.


10 posted on 01/03/2013 7:37:20 AM PST by null and void (The world is full of Maple Streets.)
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To: null and void

Subject: thinking on your feet

Tim decided to tie the knot with his long time girlfriend. One evening, after the honeymoon, he was assembling some loads for an upcoming hunt.

His wife was standing there at the bench watching him. After along period of silence she finally speaks. “Honey, I’ve been thinking, now that we are married I think it’s time you quit hunting, shooting, handloading, and fishing. Maybe you should sell your guns and boat.”

Tim gets this horrified look on his face.

She says, “Darling, what’s wrong?”

”There for a minute you were sounding like my ex-wife.”
“Ex wife!” she screams, “I didn’t know you were married before!”

”I wasn’t!


11 posted on 01/03/2013 8:07:18 AM PST by KeyLargo
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To: Daveinyork

Good for you. Consider it a badge of citizenship.


12 posted on 01/03/2013 8:11:14 AM PST by marktwain
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To: SeekAndFind
I went to an Academy store after Christmas and its stock of rifles was nearly depleted. There were a couple of 22s and .410 shotguns, but that was it. 90% of the rifle racks were empty.
13 posted on 01/03/2013 8:12:56 AM PST by Gabrial (The nightmare will continue as long as the nightmare is in the Whitehouse.)
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To: Obadiah

You have nailed it about the corrupt MSM. The sad thing is that they are exeptionally well versed in “doublethink”. They are very good at lying to themselves.

With the new media, we have a chance, but we have to fight. Giving up is not an option. We have no where to flee.


14 posted on 01/03/2013 8:14:56 AM PST by marktwain
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To: Daveinyork

I held an AR-15 (on sale) in my hands about a week before the school shooting, but I just could not bring myself to buy something so ugly. I am thinking another M1 Garand instead. They still have some at the CMP.


15 posted on 01/03/2013 8:15:49 AM PST by jim_trent
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To: arthurus

Members of the military I know tell me they will not be part of any confiscations down the road. Gun owners tell me there will be civil insurrection and vigilantism before they give them up. All I know is that our country only functions through voluntary compliance of our laws by the majority. If the majority refuses to comply, it doesn’t matter what Big Ears has to say. We shall see.


16 posted on 01/03/2013 8:16:34 AM PST by Eska
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To: Daveinyork
Question for freepers: does the NRA publish its members names? I am thinking about enrolling as a lifetime member, but I am afraid my membership in the NRA would become public info via a google search of my name. (I live in a blue state and work in an industry that doesn't tolerate obvious conservative activism, and I know from my own work in HR that interviewers often google the people they are about to interview and may reject them based on their political views. Since they'd never admit this is why they are rejecting them, that it may be illegal to discriminate this way is moot.)

So, freepers, if I join the NRA, will that info be published anywhere?

17 posted on 01/03/2013 8:28:29 AM PST by utahagen
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To: Daveinyork

I finally have all the parts on order to build one. Not my original plan, nor my original timing for this purchase, but not much choice. I believe the best we will get is grandfathering in what is currently in your possession. I have a second lower and LPK that I need to figure out what to do with. I really want a .308 but the parts on those are $$$$, and the extra lower wont work for it.


18 posted on 01/03/2013 8:45:57 AM PST by Chipper (You can't kill an Obamazombie by destroying the brain...they didn't have one to begin with.)
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To: utahagen; All
So, freepers, if I join the NRA, will that info be published anywhere?

It does not matter. You are on Freerepublic. You are already on a higher priority list than the NRA.

The NRA sends its members print magazines, so the post office already has that list.

19 posted on 01/03/2013 8:54:09 AM PST by marktwain
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To: utahagen

I do not think the NRA list is available via google search. I should have read your question more carefully before I posted!


20 posted on 01/03/2013 8:56:06 AM PST by marktwain
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To: SeekAndFind

Aurora Shooter’s Father Supposed to Testify in LIBOR ?
http://www.tfmetalsreport.com/forum/4052/aurora-shooters-father-supposed-testify-libor (TF Metals Report)

BREAKING NEWS: CT School Shooter Killer Link To LIBOR SCANDAL
http://newsworldwide.wordpress.com/2012/12/16/breaking-news-ct-school-shooter-killer-link-to-libor-scandal/

Libor scandal grows as the fathers of two mass murderers were to testify
http://www.examiner.com/article/libor-scandal-grows-as-the-fathers-of-two-mass-murderers-were-to-testify

Gunman’s computers may be key in Connecticut school shooting investigation
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2969326/posts


21 posted on 01/03/2013 10:31:11 AM PST by familyop (We Baby Boomers are croaking in an avalanche of rotten politics smelled around the planet.)
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To: Eska

Most of the military will be sidelined, “kept in the barracks,” so to speak. The confiscaion will be attempted using the army of federal, state, and local SWATs, of which there are far more than most people imagine, and by TSA, Forest Service, DOE DEA, AFT, and SIEU etc. etc. Billions of bullets to the “civilian” agencies this past year, remember?


22 posted on 01/03/2013 10:35:02 AM PST by arthurus (Read Hazlitt's Economics In One Lesson ONLINE www.fee.org/library/books/economics-in-one-lesson)
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To: SeekAndFind

23 posted on 01/03/2013 10:41:05 AM PST by Perseverando (Gun control? It's really not about gun control is it? It's really about PEOPLE CONTROL!)
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To: SeekAndFind

Folks, write to your representatives and senators. Call them. Also contact your state representatives and senators, if gun control bills are coming to them. Join the NRA and state Second Amendment rights organizations, or at least send donations to them.

That said, it appears that most of the money and efforts against our Second Amendment are going into Colorado this time. Their national efforts won’t be likely to pass the US House.

In Colorado (recent recipient of large numbers of people moving from the west coast and the northeast), they are attempting to root their agenda and go from there. The Colorado legislature is now a Democrat majority, and the Governor is a Democrat. Some State Assembly Democrats there would vote against gun control measures, though, if they felt that voting in favor of them is too unwise (volumes of letters and calls they receive).

They should also know that more gun control laws will also adversely affect the State’s economy (tourism, hunting, etc.).

Calirado is much further to the left than most of you know (big city regulations in rural areas, big federal funding and much more). Residents of some states tend to cheerlead for their states regardless of true political conditions, because they depend on big government for their incomes. Although leaning far to the left on most issues, Caliradans in both socialist political parties like firearms, especially the tacticool kind. Such firearms are in style, and don’t you know the planet Niburu is heading our way. ;-) [Little humor there.]


24 posted on 01/03/2013 10:47:45 AM PST by familyop (We Baby Boomers are croaking in an avalanche of rotten politics smelled around the planet.)
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To: SeekAndFind

http://www.stagarms.com/information.php?info_id=6
“All rifle, upper half, lower half, and lower receiver orders.”

Sometime in the last few days, it said that the lead time was a year. Now, it says that they’re not taking orders on those items.

There were rumors a few days ago, that other manufacturers were also backed up for about a year.

The few Democrats leading efforts against our Second Amendment said months ago, that they were going to try to affect supplies (raise prices, lower availability). Looks like they’ve done it again.


25 posted on 01/03/2013 10:59:37 AM PST by familyop (We Baby Boomers are croaking in an avalanche of rotten politics smelled around the planet.)
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To: jim_trent

I got a Taurus Judge. The idea of a revolver handgun that shoots shotgun rounds appealed to me. After taking it to the range, I don’t regret the decision.


26 posted on 01/03/2013 11:00:23 AM PST by Daveinyork (."Trusting government with power and money is like trusting teenaged boys with whiskey and car keys,)
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To: Daveinyork

Happy New Year!


27 posted on 01/03/2013 12:34:40 PM PST by neverdem ( Xin loi min oi)
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To: neverdem

Have a happy one, yourself.


28 posted on 01/03/2013 12:40:08 PM PST by Daveinyork (."Trusting government with power and money is like trusting teenaged boys with whiskey and car keys,)
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To: arthurus
We have a fed park, (Yukon Charlie) downriver from our community. The feds have extended their control to state lands that feed the watershed of the river through their Park. I have always gotten along with most the park people, they don't want to start problems and have all the locals up in arms. We never had problems until Big "O", then they brought in a couple fed park police that started heavy handed tactics. They started doing safety checks on local's boats on the river; most locals here don't even register their boats with state registration, no joke. Then the fed park cops said they were going to begin enforcing state law in a community that doesn't even have any LEO's and nearest state police is over 200 miles away. It set people off. One day, the 2 park cops tried pulling over a 70 year old gold miner on the river, the guy ignored them and continued up thee river. Park Cops ran him aground, pulled out guns and beat the old man up, handcuffed him ect. They did same thing to another local a few days later. Locals went nuts. In the past Park people had to be escorted outta town by state police as they were in fear of their lives; all that junk 20 years earlier had died down until this bull crap. Ended up, the State gov went crazy, Donny Young went even crazier (and you want don young on your side) and the other D.C. Senators got involved. They got rid of the 2 cops and now the Park Service wants to be friends. I don't think the locals will get over this latest garbage for a few years. Ended up one of the fed cops was a convicted felon, Howed he get into the training program and other one was fired too.

I could only imagine what would now occur if the feds tried anything around these parts. Most the locals and Indians hunt with old military guns, M1's, SKS's, Ar's, and Aks. All the open river for the park service to patrol and all that forested woods along the bank; could become a problem; maybe they should agent orange the bank for 100 yards on both sides.

We live in a conservative state, with conservative government that already puts word out to state police not to enforce fed law that goes against the constitution. I do believe that if the feds tried such lunacy, it would end with the non compliance of the populace, rejection by the state government, and could mushroom into civil disorder the likes the left can't imagine; maybe that's what they want but the end result would hurt Big "O" more than would help him. They need the populace to abide by the law voluntarily or the country will fall into turmoil and their future plans will be short tracked. When the law is seen as unconstitutional by the populace, they won't support or abide by that law; it's always been that way. Gun control has always hurt the dems at the ballot box.

I'm too far along in my life to give up my constitutional rights to anybody and I know most everybody around here feel the same, they won't become slaves. I have a friend that is now dying of cancer, I'd rather go out for an important concept if need be and for that reason, I don't live in fear of all the fed agencies that you mentioned. Just my makeup I guess and there's millions more just like me all over America.

29 posted on 01/03/2013 2:06:54 PM PST by Eska
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To: jim_trent

My son and I were at the gun shop this last weekend. He wanted to spend his christmas money on a Ruger 10/22. After calling about 15 places this shop had stock. Many of the gun racks were empty but the place was busy. While we were there employees brought out 2 AR-15s and placed them on the wall racks. You could see dozen’s of heads turn. Both guns were off the racks within 30 seconds. They were doing background checks for both of them before we left.


30 posted on 01/03/2013 2:35:20 PM PST by toast
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To: familyop

I met a man today who just relocated from Durango, CO to northern Idaho. I asked him why he left a nice place like Durango. He told me he had a Romney sticker on his car and his tires got slashed.

It appears that Colorado is lost.


31 posted on 01/03/2013 10:02:34 PM PST by 43north (BHO: 50% black, 50% white, 100% RED)
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To: RC one

That’s not news. You might be able to find someone with a Saiga 308 who hasn’t sold out of them yet (because a lot of people don’t know the thing exists) and you might be able to find a just-built FAL professionally assembled on a US receiver from surplus parts.


32 posted on 01/03/2013 11:38:59 PM PST by Spktyr (Overwhelmingly superior firepower and the willingness to use it is the only proven peace solution.)
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33 posted on 01/03/2013 11:40:47 PM PST by Spktyr (Overwhelmingly superior firepower and the willingness to use it is the only proven peace solution.)
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To: B.O. Plenty
..or an oil rig blowing up right before an all-out assault on 'big oil' that was going to happen anyway, but now with a perfectly-timed excuse for 0bama to rally Americans' support to do it? Not a single person within the U.S. had to be involved in these ops.. 0bama loves a little help from his Korean, Russian, Chinese or Muzzie friends. We saw what happened at a school in Russia, hint hint. 'Flexibility' he said.. To ban guns maybe? Red Dawn a comin'?

These were not coincidences.

34 posted on 01/03/2013 11:54:22 PM PST by Obama_Is_Sabotaging_America (IMPEACH OBAMA)
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To: arthurus
0bama's Civilian National Security Force armed with billions of newly acquired bullets comin' to collect yur guns!!

Good thing these agencies placed their HUGE orders for ammo right before an event which would cause HUGE PUBLIC DEMAND FOR AMMO!!

35 posted on 01/04/2013 12:18:48 AM PST by Obama_Is_Sabotaging_America (IMPEACH OBAMA)
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To: SeekAndFind

I’m SO glad I got started back in 2008. Still wish I could have done more. Dammed if I’m gonna pay $50 for a 30rnd AR magazine.

I’d investigate how to make the things myself before spending a small fortune on them. I may already have plenty though. Just sayin’....


36 posted on 01/04/2013 12:23:19 AM PST by KoRn (Department of Homeland Security, Certified - "Right Wing Extremist")
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To: Spktyr

That looks a lot better (both the gun and the shooter).


37 posted on 01/04/2013 5:13:14 AM PST by jim_trent
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To: arthurus
You left out DHS and TSA. Combined they have over 250,000. This is more than most militaries in the world. keep in mind that the millions of rounds of .40 cal ammo is for training purposes. Training with expensive hollow points, right!!!

TSA will be in charge of all transportation if SHTF. Think checkpoints and “Where's your papers/travel orders?” If you have been in an airport lately you will see the demographic of the TSA crowd.

38 posted on 01/04/2013 5:14:12 AM PST by USAF80
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To: SeekAndFind

We could very well see a second American civil war in our lifetimes.


39 posted on 01/04/2013 5:19:54 AM PST by Biggirl ("Jesus talked to us as individuals"-Jim Vicevich/Thanks JimV!)
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To: Daveinyork

“I admit it.... I bought one for the first time....”

Me too....2nd one is on order....Ammo is VERY scarce here.....All 5 dealers in this area had nothing but a couple boxes of buckshot!!....No .38 nothing......


40 posted on 01/04/2013 5:57:34 AM PST by 3722535r
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To: jim_trent

“...to buy something so ugly. ...”

It’s in the eye of the beholder.

I see it as “something that makes liberals pee themselves and infuriates socialists” and that has a beauty all it’s own...

As a matter of fact, it makes it downright “Helen Of Troy” beautiful...


41 posted on 01/04/2013 6:52:28 AM PST by NFHale (The Second Amendment - By Any Means Necessary.)
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To: SeekAndFind

RINO File.


42 posted on 01/04/2013 7:04:10 AM PST by Graewoulf ((Traitor John Roberts' Commune Obama"care" violates Anti-Trust Laws, AND the U.S. Constitution.))
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To: Chipper

If you don’t mind a bolt-action rifle, Savage makes a very accurate .308 that goes for about $300.


43 posted on 01/04/2013 7:04:24 AM PST by expat2
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To: SeekAndFind

We need a congressional investigation into Sandy Hook.


44 posted on 01/04/2013 7:11:21 AM PST by Truth2012
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To: Former Proud Canadian
“Am I missing something?”

Yes you are. The Federal Reserve is a private bank owned by private bankers (like Citi) who own shares in it. It acts in the interest of these member banks

45 posted on 01/04/2013 7:24:10 AM PST by dennisw (The first principle is to find out who you are then you can achieve anything -- Buddhist monk)
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To: expat2

My “plan”, since I am new to this, was handgun first (did that in August), then, Ruger 10/22 for Christmas (done), then shotgun (used 1100 at auction last week), ARs and bolt actions to follow the next 2-3 years. I am looking at bolt actions now and am leaning towards Thompson Center Dimension that I can swap between .223 and .308. I got to hold one at a gun auction last week and it felt good. That way I can be working with only 4 calibers plus 12 gauge, .40, .22LR, .223/5.56, and .308/7.62, across 7 “guns” ( XDm, 10/22, AR and bolt actions in 5.56 and .308, and 12 gauge).


46 posted on 01/04/2013 8:13:42 AM PST by Chipper (You can't kill an Obamazombie by destroying the brain...they didn't have one to begin with.)
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To: Daveinyork

That would be my next handgun purchase also.


47 posted on 01/04/2013 8:18:09 AM PST by Chipper (You can't kill an Obamazombie by destroying the brain...they didn't have one to begin with.)
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To: USAF80

The upside is that since I worked in LE for a while I can say with confidence that most of them couldn’t hit an elephant at 50 yards. Most armed officers never practice except at the once a year re-qualification.

At the range it was laughable how many fumbled with their mags during a reload and then recharging the weapon. As a matter of convenience most don’t know where their extra mags are. Uniformed officers would pull a mag from their belt and it would have food crumbs and funk all over them.

I am not too worried.


48 posted on 01/04/2013 8:35:37 AM PST by Resolute Conservative
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To: Spktyr

Being shamefully ignorant of firearms, I don’t recognize this one but that is a beauty.


49 posted on 01/04/2013 8:42:17 AM PST by Crucial (Tolerance at the expense of equal treatment is the path to tyranny.)
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To: Resolute Conservative

Even up here in rural Alaska some 35 miles north of Wasilla we have a trained SWAT team, I know because I was accidentally involved in a situation some years ago.

I was making a concrete delivery to a house in Big Lake, about 6 houses away a silent alarm was tripped, somehow they ascertained the intruder was armed and may have a hostage, I could not leave my concrete mixer and watched the whole scenario of how the team was delivered, how they deployed, how air support stayed overhead, they were fully armored with helmets and vests plus the usual black gun rollout.

Many police departments all across America have formed their own SWAT team because the Feds were hosing cash out of tankers to them. And now they are getting even more cash, weapons far beyond what you could have bought in a store.

They will never out number armed Americans but they will have superior firepower.

I suggest scouring the video database of movies made about guerrilla warfare, behind enemy lines insurrection, freedom fighters etc, but skip the latest Hollywood crap like Red Dawn 2. They make films like that hoping to falsely educate insurrectionist Constitution Freedom Fighters.


50 posted on 01/04/2013 8:58:20 AM PST by Eye of Unk (A Civil Cold War in America is here, its already been declared.)
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