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Not an Awful Deal (if you like Marxism)
American Spectator ^ | Quin Hillyer

Posted on 01/01/2013 1:21:26 PM PST by indianrightwinger

Not an Awful Deal By QUIN HILLYER on 1.1.13 @ 10:16AM

After about an hour of studying last night’s budget deal, I find it right on the borderline between (A) awful-tasting medicine we still need to take for our health and (B) a cure that is worse than the disease. But careful, careful attention pushes the calculation every-so-slightly toward the former. This isn’t even a 51-49 proposition, but only a 50.1-49.9 proposition. Still, here’s why the option of a “yes” vote for House Republicans — notwithstanding my warnings yesterday that “no deal” is better than a bad deal — is not an unacceptable decision. First, obviously, we already have gone over the cliff, technically speaking. The tax rates now in effect under law are those of the Clinton era, not the Bush era. As Grover Norquist argues, any vote for the Senate deal now is a vote to cut a lot of taxes, not a vote to raise any. And this bill does cut a whole lot of taxes (even including some special-interest breaks demanded by liberals that don’t actually make economic sense). By locking in tax cuts for couples making up to $450,000 a year, by locking in a full $5 million threshold before the death tax kicks in, and by re-cutting the top cap-gains rate and dividend rate down to 20% (worse than the former 15%, but far better than the possible 39.6% that would apply now that the Bush cuts have expired), conservatives provide a ton of room for small businesses to grow and hire more workers, etcetera, before higher rates kick in — and also have saved pensioners who rely on dividends a whole lot of money. Permanently. This is a very good thing.

(Excerpt) Read more at spectator.org ...


TOPICS: Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: cliff; fiscal; fiscalcliff; gop; taxes

1 posted on 01/01/2013 1:21:28 PM PST by indianrightwinger
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To: indianrightwinger

Even MORE RINO/GOP-e ASS Sucking, indianrightwinger?


2 posted on 01/01/2013 1:24:28 PM PST by US Navy Vet (Go Packers! Go Rockies! Go Boston Bruins! See, I'm "Diverse"!)
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To: indianrightwinger

It was an unnecessary deal. And worse than that, we had an opportunity to “do the right thing”... but our rep leaders failed us.


3 posted on 01/01/2013 1:26:20 PM PST by kjam22 (my newest music video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l7gNI9bWO3s)
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To: US Navy Vet

RightWinger ?


4 posted on 01/01/2013 1:26:32 PM PST by major-pelham
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To: indianrightwinger
Shill.

/johnny

5 posted on 01/01/2013 1:28:01 PM PST by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: indianrightwinger
Here’s the biggest advantage to buying these extra two months: Obama’s approval ratings can and almost certainly will go down. Why? Try a trillion dollars (ten-year numbers) in new tax hikes as part of ObamaCare that just kicked in ten hours ago. Conservatives will have two months now to highlight these and other parts of ObamaCare that should prove tremendously unpopular, and to lay the blame entirely on Obama and the Dems who voted for this monstrosity. Plus, there are all sorts of communications strategies and tactics that conservatives now have time to prepare and implement that weren’t necessarily available to them in the past seven weeks. (Memo to leadership press: Call me or others for ideas!)

Never going to happen!

6 posted on 01/01/2013 1:28:31 PM PST by fortheDeclaration (Pr 14:34 Righteousness exalteth a nation:but sin is a reproach to any people)
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To: indianrightwinger

What both political parties are doing is a crime against America and American taxpayers!


7 posted on 01/01/2013 1:28:43 PM PST by Rapscallion (The good thing is that Obama lacks moderation and will go too far.)
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To: indianrightwinger
I love the optimism but truly the only way this is a good deal is if it forces the Rats to cut spending in the negotiations on the debt ceiling or the coming budgets...

1. It is bipartisan
2. How possibly can Obama go back to saying the rich need to pay their fair share when he agreed that this is now the fair share.
3. This tiny bit of revenue does nothing to stop the trillion dollar deficits.

Now is the time for Republicans to gather their forces and go on the attack for serious spending reductions. Force the rats to address the debt and call them lockstep Marxists that are destroying the economy for everyone because they cannot work across the aisle to end the massive spending and entitlement mentality that is destroying America...

8 posted on 01/01/2013 1:29:02 PM PST by Typical_Whitey (The political mirage of something for nothing; has ruined many a nation.)
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To: US Navy Vet
There is a group of GOP shills running around FR, trying to justify caving to the socialists.

/johnny

9 posted on 01/01/2013 1:30:08 PM PST by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: indianrightwinger
Differential taxation based on income level is a Marxist concept, period.

I really used to like The American Spectator, but they have supped of the GOP-e Kool-Aid of late, and are no longer on my preferred reading list.

10 posted on 01/01/2013 1:30:49 PM PST by Arm_Bears (Ted Kennedy's Oldsmobile has killed more people than my guns.)
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To: US Navy Vet
As I hoped, indianrightwinger, House Pubbies seem to be holding firm. Even Cantor says he can't support it.

It's a better deal than I expected McConnell to get on the Senate side so I half expected House Pubbies to go for it. I'm encouraged, they're standing up sooner than expected. There was always the worry they'd act tough, but fold when it came to debt limit battles.

The House may well have enough Dems + R's to pass however, and this may just be a TP saving vote, knowing it'll pass the house without Pubbie support.

11 posted on 01/01/2013 1:31:33 PM PST by chiller (Do not consume any NBCNews;MTPTodayNightlyNewsMorningJoeMSNBCBrianWilliams)
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To: indianrightwinger

Marxism is never a good deal (for anyone).

Cut the frickin’ spending already!!


12 posted on 01/01/2013 1:31:41 PM PST by Jim Robinson (Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God!!)
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To: indianrightwinger
It happened exactly as I expected.
In order to do "something", republicans caved and agreed on tax hikes now, in return for spending cuts "later", but those cuts will never materialize.
The Government saves its economy by digging deeper into the pockets of America's economy.

13 posted on 01/01/2013 1:33:45 PM PST by BitWielder1 (Corporate Profits are better than Government Waste)
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To: Typical_Whitey

Correct....this is politics. As Hillyer notes, it does very little to cut spending, so the real battle will likely be the CR and debt limit. Entitlement spending.


14 posted on 01/01/2013 1:34:39 PM PST by chiller (Do not consume any NBCNews;MTPTodayNightlyNewsMorningJoeMSNBCBrianWilliams)
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To: indianrightwinger

giving in to the enemy that is trying to destroy you is always awful.


15 posted on 01/01/2013 1:38:32 PM PST by ColdOne (I miss my poochie... Tasha 2000~3/14/11)
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To: indianrightwinger

The (if you like Marxism) is tremendously more descriptive than (Amen).


16 posted on 01/01/2013 1:39:08 PM PST by jazusamo ("Mercy to the guilty is cruelty to the innocent." -- Adam Smith)
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To: indianrightwinger

You would have fit right in at Jonestown, filling cups of koolaid and encouraging the gullible to drink it.


17 posted on 01/01/2013 1:39:08 PM PST by TADSLOS (I took extra credit at the School of Hard Knocks)
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To: TADSLOS

Boehner and Repubs balk at Senate’s Fiscal Fiasco Bill!

http://confoundedinterest.wordpress.com/2013/01/01/fiscal-abyss-bill-passes-senate-barely-touches-the-trillion-dollar-deficit/


18 posted on 01/01/2013 1:46:09 PM PST by whitedog57
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To: indianrightwinger

The cheese has slipped off of the American Spectator’s plate.


19 posted on 01/01/2013 1:46:09 PM PST by SERKIT ("Blazing Saddles" explains it all.......)
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To: indianrightwinger
Please get to know the <p>. Thanks.
20 posted on 01/01/2013 2:34:31 PM PST by upchuck (America's at an awkward stage. Too late to work within the system, too early to shoot the bastards.)
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To: indianrightwinger
Permanently

Or as the president has already said, until next year.

21 posted on 01/01/2013 2:41:22 PM PST by Vince Ferrer
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Happy New Year!!

22 posted on 01/01/2013 3:09:23 PM PST by RedMDer (Those that believe in gun free zones should post gun free zone signs on their property and persons.)
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To: indianrightwinger; Longbow1969
Looks like your liberals just caved.

Kiss your party goodbye. Because they left you without a kiss, a reach-around, or even any lubrication.

/johnny

23 posted on 01/01/2013 8:22:49 PM PST by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: SERKIT; BillyBoy; Impy; TheRightGuy

Here is the IL vote, on the fiscal cliff bill:
Democrats — Costello, Y; Davis, Y; Gutierrez, Y; Lipinski, Y; Quigley, Y; Rush, Y; Schakowsky, Y.

Republicans — Biggert, Y; Dold, Y; Hultgren, N; Johnson, Y; Kinzinger, Y; Manzullo, Y; Roskam, N; Schilling, N; Schock, Y; Shimkus, Y; Walsh, N.
Will any of those congressmen get fewer votes, in the 2014 primary, because of that vote?


24 posted on 01/02/2013 4:47:37 AM PST by PhilCollins
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To: PhilCollins

Aaron?? I’m schocked.


25 posted on 01/02/2013 10:23:03 AM PST by TheRightGuy (I want MY BAILOUT ... a billion or two should do!)
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To: PhilCollins; SERKIT; Impy; TheRightGuy; Clintonfatigued; fieldmarshaldj; sickoflibs
Good riddance to RINOs Biggert, Dold, and Tim Johnson. On the plus side, I don't think any of them will make a political "comeback".

Kinzinger, Manzullo, Schock, and Shimkus disappointed me. Kinzinger and Schock could probably use a primary challenge, they're too establishment friendly. I think the powers that be in Illinois are planning to run Schock for some statewide office in 2014 (probably as the fall guy against Durbin), so they can anoint Ray LaHood's son for his daddy's old seat. (meanwhile, Darin LaHood is playing the part of a good conservative state Senator UNTIL he gets a safe cushy Congressional seat for life)

Interesting that NONE of the Illinois RATs voted NO on the "compromise". That tells me all I need to know about the supposedly "good" concessions that the GOP got. If there anything remotely good for the GOP in this bill, at least some of the Marxists would have opposed it.

26 posted on 01/02/2013 5:35:12 PM PST by BillyBoy ( Impeach Obama? Yes We Can!)
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To: BillyBoy; PhilCollins

Schock isn’t stupid enough to waste his time running for the Senate.

He may run for Governor.


27 posted on 01/03/2013 12:48:40 AM PST by Impy (All in favor of Harry Reid meeting Mr. Mayhem?)
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To: JRandomFreeper
There is a group of GOP shills running around FR, trying to justify caving to the socialists.

All I've seen from you is gripe gripe gripe.

With the rats running the Senate AND the White House, what would have been your ideal, realistic outcome from these negotiations? What could have been the final outcome if YOU were the Speaker? It's one thing to gripe gripe gripe and it's another thing to opine exactly what you think COULD have been a better, realstic outcome. Let's hear it. And don't forget the "realistic" caveat.

Thanks.

28 posted on 01/03/2013 1:15:43 AM PST by Lancey Howard
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To: indianrightwinger
And in retrospect, his “Plan B” would have been a better solution than we are faced with today.

This is about the only part of the column I disagree with. Plan B would have been passed before the Bush tax cuts expired and therefore would have given the rats legitimate claim to smugly say the Republicans agreed with them to raise taxes on "the rich".

The fact that the final deal happened AFTER the expiration of the Bush tax cuts - - the rates returned to Clinton-era rates on New Years day - - means that there were actually nothing but tax CUTS in the legislation. And rather than the rats being able to claim that the Republicans agreed with them to raise taxes on "the rich", now the Republicans can legitinately claim that the rats are the ones who engage in class warfare and want only to "soak the rich", etc.

It may seem like a matter of petty semantics, but in the blood war known as politics there is no such thing as petty semantics. Now, any future TV ad that claims the Republicans raised taxes will be easily discredited as a lie. Had Plan B passed, such an ad would be legitimate - - slimy, perhaps, but technically accurate.

29 posted on 01/03/2013 1:35:12 AM PST by Lancey Howard
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