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Democratic aide: Fiscal 'cliff' deal reached
AP ^ | December 31, 2012 9:03 PM EST | By DAVID ESPO

Posted on 12/31/2012 6:16:05 PM PST by bd476

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To: bd476

Not in time, we go off the cliff in exactly an hour. It doesnt matter after that. The earth blows up and takes the sun with it.

Bohner will pass this deal in House with Dem votes so the R votes against it as with opposition to plan B will just be symbolic, which is consistent with this lame duck congress two years waste.


101 posted on 12/31/2012 8:09:31 PM PST by sickoflibs (Dems go for results, meaning winning. Rs go for symbolism and whining about losing.)
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To: EternalVigilance

Boy you can say that again. What a nightmare.


102 posted on 12/31/2012 8:09:31 PM PST by bd476
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To: plain talk

Agree, Plain talk, it is suspicious. Whenever a dirty underhanded deal is done, we can always look to the Dems as the engineers because they have so much practice that they have the manufacture of dirty deals down to a science.


103 posted on 12/31/2012 8:22:17 PM PST by bd476
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To: tennmountainman

We have the same thing in the TX House of Representatives, with “moderate” Speaker Joe Straus holding on with all the Democratic votes and a couple of dozen Republican votes. The conservatives, who have the House plurality, hence lose over and over. Even when conservatives make headway, nothing counts because they lack the supermajority.


104 posted on 12/31/2012 8:23:20 PM PST by Theodore R. ("Hey, the American people must all be crazy out there!")
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To: bd476

To Washington politicians, a slight reduction in a planned increase equals a “cut”. I’m planning to increase spending by $200 billion next year. I’ll reduce that to a $100 Billion increase in exchange for tax increases. The average dolt believes there has been a $100 Billion cut instead of a $100 Billion spending increase. Is it any wonder that the US is in a financial mess?


105 posted on 12/31/2012 8:25:25 PM PST by littleharbour
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To: Hoodat
Very good summation!

I guess this tells us exactly how Boner will “fight” ObamaCare. The guy holds the purse strings, but doesn't have the balls to use his power. His weakness further empowers Obama and the Dem's.

106 posted on 12/31/2012 8:26:26 PM PST by Artcore
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To: Pollster1
Pollster1 wrote: "That's quite a 'deal', but only for America's enemies who want our future crippled. The left wing gets their class warfare tax increase on the rich. Decent Americans get no federal spending cuts at all. Why are the Republicans agreeing to this?"

Agree, it's puzzling.

107 posted on 12/31/2012 8:27:04 PM PST by bd476
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To: goldstategop

The middle class tax cuts were saved. [BY THE KENYAN]

Laurel & Hardy will not push back hard enough and the narrative will be that the GOP just wanted to save the millionaires from tax increases.

The GOP gameplan was a pathetic hot mess. Leadership needs to be cleaned out. 4 full years of total fail in opposition to Obama.


108 posted on 12/31/2012 8:27:04 PM PST by lodi90
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To: SkyPilot

People in KY still won’t say what’s so great about their
Mitch McC. It must be classified information?


109 posted on 12/31/2012 8:28:10 PM PST by Theodore R. ("Hey, the American people must all be crazy out there!")
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To: goldstategop

That is the truth.


110 posted on 12/31/2012 8:28:36 PM PST by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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To: littleharbour

Spending cuts are never going to happen.

Every one is happy to get their current benefits. Most people have been spared pain.

Rich Obama voters will pay a little more to keep the rest of us from starving and being out on the streets.


111 posted on 12/31/2012 8:29:04 PM PST by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: Artcore

Boehner of OH (another state that has harmed America) endorsed Obamacare funding after the election: said it is already agreed upon and MUST be funded.


112 posted on 12/31/2012 8:32:24 PM PST by Theodore R. ("Hey, the American people must all be crazy out there!")
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To: littleharbour
littleharbour wrote: "To Washington politicians, a slight reduction in a planned increase equals a “cut”. I’m planning to increase spending by $200 billion next year. I'll reduce that to a $100 Billion increase in exchange for tax increases. The average dolt believes there has been a $100 Billion cut instead of a $100 Billion spending increase. Is it any wonder that the US is in a financial mess?"


Littleharbour I hear what you're saying but I still have some hope that people will recognize it for what it is.


113 posted on 12/31/2012 8:33:44 PM PST by bd476
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To: Theodore R.

I have changed my mind.
I don’t think Bonehead is going to make his House Rino Monkeys vote
on a tax increase for the rich. After all, his House Rino Monkeys are the
source of his power. Why would he make them vote for a tax increase,
when many of them would be primaried out of office in 2014?
He won’t expose them.
However, after tonight, when taxes go up on everybody, he will allow a
vote to reducing taxes on most brackets. That’s my line of thinking now.


114 posted on 12/31/2012 8:35:02 PM PST by tennmountainman
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To: redgolum

The logical extension of the current state of affairs presses harsh hope against time.

Long gone, the tipping point of reason, slips beneath our wisdom.......like a stone.


115 posted on 12/31/2012 8:40:57 PM PST by Zeneta (Why are so many people searching for something that has already found us ?)
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To: bd476
No cuts? Just higher taxes - again?
The right sacrifices everything - again, and the democrat parasites sacrifice nothing at all?

This report had better be wrong. If the Republicans sold the tax payers out this time - again, like they always do, they've committed political suicide. How could they not realize that? Do they have the faintest idea why the tax payers don't bother to vote at all anymore?

116 posted on 12/31/2012 8:44:16 PM PST by concerned about politics ("Get thee behind me, Liberal")
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To: borg5575
borg5575 wrote: "Boehner must not let this bill come to the House floor unless a majority of his caucus supports it. And I don't think they do. If he allows this bill to be passed by the Democrats with a few Republicans thrown in then he needs to be replaced as speaker by a bona fide conservative. I am so tired of seeing our so-called GOP leaders caving in all the time."


Agree. Well said Borg5575.

117 posted on 12/31/2012 8:46:08 PM PST by bd476
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To: goldstategop
Rich Obama voters will pay a little more to keep the rest of us from starving and being out on the streets.

No they won't. Oboma rejected Bohners offer to bring in same revenue through loop hole cuts. Oboma protected his donors, and refused to steal from anyone but the working class. The rich Oboma buddies cash is safe. They won't owe a penny.

118 posted on 12/31/2012 8:50:54 PM PST by concerned about politics ("Get thee behind me, Liberal")
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To: Theodore R.
“Boehner of OH (another state that has harmed America) endorsed Obamacare funding after the election: said it is already agreed upon and MUST be funded.”
__________________________________________________

You are indeed correct. I guess I was hoping that this wimp could be swayed to do the right thing. OOPS!

119 posted on 12/31/2012 9:23:37 PM PST by Artcore
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To: bd476

So it’s 2013 already and where’s this Senate deal?

Hard to blame Boehner when Reid can’t even get that steaming pile out of the Senate.


120 posted on 12/31/2012 9:56:09 PM PST by IDRATHERNOT
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To: Happy Rain

“the RINOs will pay for it in the 2014 primaries.”

I doubt it. The RINO’s are there because of RINO voters who are probably ok with any old crappy deal.

People are getting distracted by this tax increase fakeout. That battle is over and dems WILL win because they have the votes. All is left is squabbling over the specific threshold. The real battle is on spending cuts and debt ceiling. That battle hasn’t even started yet. This is only card the pubs have and they should refuse any final deal unless there are significant spending cuts.


121 posted on 12/31/2012 10:47:13 PM PST by plain talk
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To: bd476

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pq4eeyVr_Hs

and even better:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MUiAjZZP7EQ


122 posted on 01/01/2013 1:02:49 AM PST by Eleutheria5 (End the occupation. Annex today.)
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To: Kennard

It’s actually over 200k and 450k. There’s also a marriage penalty which will destroy society.


123 posted on 01/01/2013 3:30:38 AM PST by GreaterSwiss
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To: Democrat_media

Frankly, Congress critters might as well give him the keys to the blank check, writing Executive Order IOUs, running dictator like roughshod over generous banks opening the vaults for THE ONE, DAS EIN, EL UNO, the Zero Nihilo...

What is all the hand wringing about?

Fox News is a disgrace over this.

Obama wants a crisis... he wants a design of a fiscal cliff crisis to go on so that he can force banks to pay him and his goons what he wants for his own self without much ado as to looking where this is going to lead to...

Just like his father was a stupid drunk, he wants the stupid drunk driver legacy and go f himself.

Check it out... America is stupid and the GOP should stand up and dare him go to a civil war and bypass or jail congress... but they will not.... they desperately want him to take charge of this, it is obvious, but Zero is not so sure about himself either quite yet... so he goes on in his little drama queen bs a$$hole speeches, letting the teleprompter tell us instead...

It’s the teleprompter’s fault, you see... there, now we can be happy to all be losers equaly... this is so pathetic.


124 posted on 01/01/2013 4:18:24 AM PST by lavaroise
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To: Artcore

Obama wants O Boner to do something for him for free, but O Boner wants Zero to do the thing he loves Zero and the “president” to do, like a rankist GOPe idiot.So they all squirm at each other on their chairs.

None of them know what to do with America and they know it.

They are disgusting and have no leadership... and it is easy to blame the gun owners, the Tparty or Alqaeda in the meantime... arab springs etc... whatever. Robbers might make a buck out of milking the rest of that stupid b!tch Amerika feminized, for all it is worth, and then, bubye.


125 posted on 01/01/2013 4:24:17 AM PST by lavaroise
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To: bd476

“we want you to be successful” (because me and my wife President Bush has no clue either apparently). So Obama and the Mexicans are like... WTF... I am the one, and we drive drunk is what we do, golfing and crying together with Oboner and other zeros in the Pentagon too scared and only to pretend fighting real wars.


126 posted on 01/01/2013 4:29:53 AM PST by lavaroise
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To: Zeneta
The measure would extend Bush-era tax cuts for family incomes below $450,000 and briefly avert across-the-board spending cuts set to strike the Pentagon and domestic agencies this week.

It's all blablabla patchy stuff over a dam cracking fully open into chaos, mismanagement and no rudder for the escape boat to the sea.... Argentina style.

These people are complete incompetent and submitted to incompetence and the sins of the jealous sinner. Happy New Year, New York, Fox News etc... the Carnival of Rio must go on one more last time...

127 posted on 01/01/2013 4:34:49 AM PST by lavaroise
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To: tennmountainman
After hearing others talk about it, I too, have come to the conclusion that Kabuki Dances aside, the Senate and The House will not vote on any last minute cliff deal.

I think you are close. What is happening is, The media is carrying the White House narrative of the President who is the one rolling up his sleeves, "rushing back from vacation" etc. in order to "save the country from disaster" while the Republicans are getting the blame for stalemating talks for their "unreasonable" demands. So in turn, the Senate puts together a hodgepodge of a package and is seen as moving the ball "forward" so the complete onerous will fall on the House Republicans. No matter what they do, they will bear the brunt of the criticism of any of the Bill's shortcomings. I mean after all, they House Republicans are beholden to the Tea Party and the President only wants to "help the middle class." And you know, Boehner wants to also be seen as a "man of the people" and will agree with the new tax height threshold. Here I sit reading this mornings headline and sure enough, I see one that says, "Why The Republicans Lost the Fiscal Cliff Battle" like it is a Sunday night game to win or lose.

This whole mess has just amazed me. I mean, except for the simplest of the simple minded Obama voter knows having the "rich" pay a "little more" does almost zero to solve our budget problems. Even slowing the rate of growth of programs does little. But hey, the government wants to play games and keep kicking the can down the road? The day of reckoning will come someday.

128 posted on 01/01/2013 4:35:05 AM PST by corlorde (forWARD of the state)
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To: lavaroise
because me and my wife President Bush has no clue either apparently

You were married to President Bush and he was your *WIFE*??!?

The things I learn on Free Republic.

129 posted on 01/01/2013 4:36:30 AM PST by Lazamataz (LAZ'S LAW: As an argument with liberals goes on, the probability of being called racist approaches 1)
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To: tennmountainman
"You might want to think about calling RATs too. Because that is who will carry this bill over the finish line."

Yep. Boner & CantBoner have done the math, have enough Donk votes to allow some vulnerable Tea'rs to peel away and vote no.

130 posted on 01/01/2013 5:02:23 AM PST by StAnDeliver (Own it.)
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To: TSgt

You don’t know the half of it. Hospitals are planning for a 60% cut in Medicare payments. Sit down and multiply your annual salary by .60 and then divide by 12. Can you live on that?

Obamacare is designed to lead to single-payer.


131 posted on 01/01/2013 5:07:10 AM PST by 1010RD (First, Do No Harm)
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To: plain talk
The House rejected tax cuts on people making over $1M but now they will vote for a deal with taxes on those making over $450K?

Precisely.

They "were true to their principles" and thwarted their Speaker, and now will vote "Yes" on something even worse.

I thought "Plan B" was a stupid idea to begin with, and that blame goes to Boehner. He had Obama agreeing to a tax increase on those making over $500K, plus Obama had agreed to modest entitlement reform, and taking sequester out of the equation. That deal also had the $200 Billion giveaway to the 99er "unemployed", but so does this "deal."

Great, isn't it? Now, we still gut the military in 8 weeks, taxes go up, and there is zero entitlement reform. Oh, and the Democrats were able to get "tuition tax breaks" for "low income" Obama voters. I am still now sure what new welfare program this entails, but I am sure it is costly and forever.

132 posted on 01/01/2013 5:26:38 AM PST by SkyPilot
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To: Lazamataz
You were married to President Bush and he was your *WIFE*??!? The things I learn on Free Republic.

Thanks Laz---I needed a laugh this morning. Happy New Year buddy.

133 posted on 01/01/2013 5:28:23 AM PST by SkyPilot
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To: plain talk
"I doubt it. The RINO’s are there because of RINO voters who are probably ok with any old crappy deal."

Exactly. And later Bobo will overplay his hand on 2A after the Senate passes the Feinstein gun-grab, and then the Donks will scratch their head in amazement when the GOP gets the Senate back next year.

"People are getting distracted by this tax increase fakeout. That battle is over and dems WILL win because they have the votes. All is left is squabbling over the specific threshold. The real battle is on spending cuts and debt ceiling. That battle hasn’t even started yet. This is only card the pubs have and they should refuse any final deal unless there are significant spending cuts."

Right. So have the House make ONE amendment to this Senate bill; take the Senate bill -- as is - and attach all of the spending cuts and entitlement reforms which passed in December, from the first half of the Plan B bill.

"Here's your bill, Bobo, and here's how you're going to pay for it. Period. You want it, you sign it."

134 posted on 01/01/2013 5:29:03 AM PST by StAnDeliver (Own it.)
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To: corlorde
This whole mess has just amazed me. I mean, except for the simplest of the simple minded Obama voter knows having the "rich" pay a "little more" does almost zero to solve our budget problems. Even slowing the rate of growth of programs does little. But hey, the government wants to play games and keep kicking the can down the road? The day of reckoning will come someday.

There are no Republican heroes anymore. Even the Tea Party Republicans are aiding the Democrats in gutting the military, because they rationalize that it is "at least some savings." Meanwhile, they do nothing about what is really causing out debt, deficit, and imminent collapse: Entitlements.

All Republicans are now "Democrat-Lite" in that respect. None of have any intestinal fortitude to stop the ATM Direct Deposit checks.

I am more convinced than ever that Satan knows exactly what he is doing regarding finance and the end times. Read the Book of Revelation. The world is enslaved primarily through financial means, and the world has given the Evil One the tools to do it.

There will be a "worldwide economic collapse" - but it won't be the lovely "re-set" that many here on FreeRepublic dream of.

In that latter scenario, some Freepers see themselves as the smarter survivors, who cached guns and gold and will come out the "winners." I don't believe it will come about that way. A new more insidious "system" will replace our current one (as bad as it is), and the preppers will have to get in line like everyone else.

The world will utterly panic when the collapse comes. Where will the men and women of courage be at that time? No where. Look what happened this week! The RINOs will be little Marxist and work with the Marxists for a "solution."

Then, we will turn over our sovereignty, our currency, and our hopes on a new world monetary system. That is going to happen, period.

135 posted on 01/01/2013 5:38:22 AM PST by SkyPilot
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To: jeltz25

From what I understand, only the Senate has reached a “deal”, there is still the “House” to contend with.
I hope the folks who actually control the purse strings, rejects the Senates plan which is designed to continue on the road to distruction of this country.

The “deal” shows only more spending and little REAL reductions/cuts. When they talk of cuts, it only means they won’t be spending as much as they had originally PLANNED to spend. It does not mean the will actually not spend more.


136 posted on 01/01/2013 5:43:59 AM PST by DaveA37
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To: jeltz25

From what I understand, only the Senate has reached a “deal”, there is still the “House” to contend with.
I hope the folks who actually control the purse strings, rejects the Senates plan which is designed to continue on the road to distruction of this country.

The “deal” shows only more spending and little REAL reductions/cuts. When they talk of cuts, it only means they won’t be spending as much as they had originally PLANNED to spend.


137 posted on 01/01/2013 5:44:44 AM PST by DaveA37
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To: SkyPilot
"In that latter scenario, some Freepers see themselves as the smarter survivors, who cached guns and gold and will come out the "winners." I don't believe it will come about that way. A new more insidious "system" will replace our current one (as bad as it is), and the preppers will have to get in line like everyone else.

The world will utterly panic when the collapse comes."

You can't have it both ways. If the "world panics" when "the collapse comes", nobody will be getting "in line" for anything...

138 posted on 01/01/2013 5:54:26 AM PST by StAnDeliver (Own it.)
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To: AppyPappy

“Most of the Dr’s I know make less than $300k taxable income because they shelter income.”

Most of the high income days for Dr’s are past. Things have changed. As a CPA with a lot of MD clients, I issued W-2’s to Dr’s in the 1980’s for in excess of $1 million per year. Health care was my specialty for years and I’ve worked in and planned for the transitions from the old cost reimbursement through diagnosis related group payments (factory medicine).

Thankfully I have now retired as the chaos in medical payments has destabilized the profession. On top of that, with the board certification program in effect since the 1980’s, older physicians who were grandfathered are now retiring due to age. The younger physicians who are required to take comprehensive boards every ten years are quitting the profession much younger rather than face them again.

I’ve spoken with many Dr’s who state that if the tax rates reach above 50% they will retire or work part time.

One of the biggest cuts will be in radiology. If the government creates a shortage of diagnostic testing in areas such as cancer, the disease will progress during the delay period to the point where treatment is futile.


139 posted on 01/01/2013 6:20:47 AM PST by tired&retired
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To: bd476

So no deal was officially reached and no bills were signed into law last night? Disappointing.


140 posted on 01/01/2013 7:19:00 AM PST by ducttape45 (Can you tell I'm angry?)
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To: plain talk

Ya know; I am really sick and tired of the Republican leadership,(now there’s an oxymoron) and the Rinos in here telling me that every cave to pressure really doesn’t matter, the really issue is the next crisis on the horizon.

Stuff it.


141 posted on 01/01/2013 8:06:11 AM PST by Segovia
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To: plain talk

Ya know; I am really sick and tired of the Republican leadership,(now there’s an oxymoron) and the Rinos in here telling me that every cave to pressure really doesn’t matter, the real issue is the next crisis on the horizon.

Stuff it.


142 posted on 01/01/2013 8:06:28 AM PST by Segovia
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To: AppyPappy
"Most of the Dr’s I know make less than $300k taxable income because they shelter income."

Unless they have a charitable trust or move their profits/assets off shore, exactly how do they shelter their income?

There is always lots of talk about the rich not paying taxes because of trusts, but that is a fallacy. Revocable and irrevocable trusts do not reduce income and estate taxes, unless assigned to a charitable foundation where they may be a board member and the board gives them a salary.

While personal trusts make it easier to transfer assets without going through the long process of probate, they don't negate the estate taxes. I know; I've had one for years. I've always wondered why the Dims whine about the rich not paying "their fair share" because of tax loopholes. Show me the loopholes. I'd love to take advange of them. They don't exist, except for salaried board members in charitable trusts and/or move assets off shore.

Income (including dividends), capital gains, estate (death) taxes have and still do exist no matter how rich. Please let me know where these shelters are in the USA. Not talking about charitable contributions either. Those are money's given out and while they are a tax deduction, it is still money out of pocket, much like a mortgage deduction. Neither are credits, but a small percentage deduction from your gross top line.

Seriously, show me how to shelter my income, maybe I'm missing something. I'll give you a finders fee...haha. BTW, good to see you're still around.

143 posted on 01/01/2013 8:09:55 AM PST by A Navy Vet (An Oath is Forever.)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum
DOA.
Let Ubama drive us over the imaginary “fiscal cliff.”
Let him own it.

with an honest news media he would own it. with the current MSM....the Republicans own it.

144 posted on 01/01/2013 8:31:21 AM PST by Vaquero (Don't pick a fight with an old guy. If he is too old to fight, he'll just kill you.)
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To: A Navy Vet

You can defer your income until after retirement. You can move money offshore, you can pay yourself with dividends instead of income. You can start a “farm”. You can do rental property.


145 posted on 01/01/2013 8:34:56 AM PST by AppyPappy (You never see a masscre at a gun show.)
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To: corlorde

I thought the senate would not pass a tax increase bill.
Looks like they have.


146 posted on 01/01/2013 9:08:58 AM PST by tennmountainman
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To: AppyPappy

Rental property is where I am. Lots of advantages there. Not to mention you have real assets. If you buy bonds or stocks or something... all you have is a promise to payback from the person you loaned all your money to. And, clearly a government that may or may not make them honor their promise.


147 posted on 01/01/2013 9:13:49 AM PST by kjam22 (my newest music video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l7gNI9bWO3s)
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To: A Navy Vet
"Unless they have a charitable trust or move their profits/assets off shore, exactly how do they shelter their income?"

Commercial. Real. Estate.

148 posted on 01/01/2013 10:16:52 AM PST by StAnDeliver (Own it.)
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To: corlorde

What is happening is no one cares!!!

MY mom and I cared and watched the news, the commentary, the newspapers describing the tragedy that would be a second term for Obama. I watched as our GOP played games while Obamas team picked apart our Constitution and ravaged the military. We were enraged and believed there was something we could do.....we got involved. To our dismay, no one knew about Benghazi...no one knew about the multiple problems Obama has brought to our country...and sad no one cares. My mom and I were heart broken as Romney lost, surely Obama the worst president in history could not win again....but he did. My 75 year old mother almost went into a state of depression....and all the GOP continue to play and laugh and eat with the enemy.

Our pledge....live a life of excellence, stand above the fray and remember God is our only stability and refugee.

We vowed to turn off and stay away from everything that is politics for the next 4 years. Its an unwinnable game that is already fixed by lobbyist and corrupt minds. We cannot win, but God will have the last word. I would rather be on his team, than trust anyone in the GOP or the tea party....money talks......corruption is breeded in D.C. I will not contribute to it anylonger. God BLess our Troops...they will need it ;)

This save the day on the 11th hour...a bunch of crap. They are all worthless and do not deserve the title of civil servant. Where are the men and women of excellence? Where are the Americans that love and vowed to stand for the constitution? I see nada, no one in D.C.


149 posted on 01/01/2013 10:32:12 AM PST by Texas4ever
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To: Segovia

well Happy New Years to you and your family. Cheers


150 posted on 01/01/2013 10:36:40 AM PST by plain talk
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