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Stopping the spread of deadly assault weapons--summary of Feinstein Bill, incl. registry requirement
United States Senate ^ | 12/27/2012 | Dianne Feinstein

Posted on 12/27/2012 7:50:24 AM PST by driftdiver

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To: rustyboots
The idea of “need” is what bothers me most about your question.

I didn't think about that, but that is an excellent point.

301 posted on 12/28/2012 11:12:23 AM PST by Purrcival (Four more years of OBAMA??????????? I hope this country can survive.)
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To: SisterK

“Unintended Consequences” — yes, it’s by John Ross. I had never heard of it before, but I just looked it up on amazon.com.

Thanks for the recommendation. I obviously have a lot to learn.


302 posted on 12/28/2012 11:17:34 AM PST by Purrcival (Four more years of OBAMA??????????? I hope this country can survive.)
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To: Repeat Offender

Likewise, I don’t “need” my auto insurance today — well, yeah, I do, because I own and operate a motor vehicle and it’s required by law — but if it were not for that, I wouldn’t “need” it today. Heaven forbid, if I got into an accident tomorrow, I would, but I don’t “need” it now.

Thanks for your replay, and thank you for your service.


303 posted on 12/28/2012 11:21:37 AM PST by Purrcival (Four more years of OBAMA??????????? I hope this country can survive.)
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To: Lazamataz

LOL, I didn’t grow up in Georgia. I’m a “transplant”. I spent the first half of my life in Ohio, in a family that didn’t own guns and didn’t hunt. We didn’t need one, back in the 50’s & 60’s. And I was just never around anyone who really talked about guns, either.

But I hear that if I lived in Kennesaw, which isn’t far from where I live now, I would be REQUIRED to own one.


304 posted on 12/28/2012 11:31:10 AM PST by Purrcival (Four more years of OBAMA??????????? I hope this country can survive.)
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To: Lazamataz

LOL, I didn’t grow up in Georgia. I’m a “transplant”. I spent the first half of my life in Ohio, in a family that didn’t own guns and didn’t hunt. We didn’t need one, back in the 50’s & 60’s. And I was just never around anyone who really talked about guns, either.

But I hear that if I lived in Kennesaw, which isn’t far from where I live now, I would be REQUIRED to own one.


305 posted on 12/28/2012 11:31:12 AM PST by Purrcival (Four more years of OBAMA??????????? I hope this country can survive.)
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To: Purrcival; Repeat Offender

“replay”=reply, but I’m sure you figured that out.


306 posted on 12/28/2012 11:33:32 AM PST by Purrcival (Four more years of OBAMA??????????? I hope this country can survive.)
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To: Alaska Wolf; DBrow; 21twelve; sand88; Monty22002; 2ndDivisionVet; ez; Democrat_media; ...

I got a lot of responses from all of you — some of them quite lengthy, and they were all interesting. Thank you, and I especially thank you that most of you did not accuse me of being a “liberal”, which I am NOT. I obviously have a lot to learn, and I got some direction from some of you for where to look to educate myself. I never paid much attention to this issue before. Guess I’d better start.

And some of you have served our country as part of our military. Thank you all for your service.


307 posted on 12/28/2012 11:46:42 AM PST by Purrcival (Four more years of OBAMA??????????? I hope this country can survive.)
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To: Purrcival
What is the problem with banning assault weapons? Why would anyone need them?

No doubt you have read the responses which hearkened back to the Founding Fathers intent that all free Americans constituted the "militia", and should be armed because a "free state" is always in jeopardy of attack or subversion by evil men.

Here is a simplistic quote which illustrates a crucial principle: "In a man-to-man fight, the winner is he who has one more round in his magazine - Erwin Rommel

Here are a few more reasons:

"Assault weapons" is a purposely scary misnomer co-opted by The Left to lump in almost any firearm capable of firing semi-automatic, and even some which are not semi-auto, which are capable of using a large capacity magazine (the definition of "large" being in the eyes of the beholder).

Semi-auto firearms are not new. They were invented and in use worldwide not long after our Civil War. Large capacity magazines existed even during the Civil War, although they were tubular in nature. Semi-auto (and full auto) weapons were widely used prior to WWI. For example, the venerable US M1 Carbine was invented just before WWII, and commonly carries a 15 or 30 round magazine. These have been freely bought and sold on the American civilian market for well over half a century and there are a lot of them around. How many of these have been used in "mass murder", even after 60+ years in the street? I personally know somebody who has just such a fine weapon and it is exactly 70 years old. Really, one is talking about essentially antique weapons being lumped in with the hundreds of other variations on the theme Frau Gauleiter Feinswein et. al. the Fascist crowd want to "register" ( which really means eventually ban) and regulate/tax by the central government.

Secondly, there is a reason police and the military long ago went to high capacity magazines and semi-auto (and full auto) weapons, both long and short. They are much more effective under many tactical situations than a single shot, a repeater rifle, or a .38 revolver. In short, they can more readily save the life of the user and win the tactical situation. Such weapons are especially effective when one finds oneself outnumbered or in a disadvantageous situation.

"One shot" very seldom means "one kill". (If that were the case, neither the Taliban nor the US Army would exist any more) The ability to employ directed firepower in sufficient quantities and stopping power when one is trying to kill you is very important. Single shot Springfield trap doors, lever action Henry rifles, and .38 Special revolvers are no longer used by the "professionals" for serious situations of life or death. Technology and the enemy has moved on. Why shouldn't "we" have the sane advantage? That was the intent of our Founding Fathers. Standing armies or potentates or even organized criminals are seldom effectively deterred by the threat of muzzle loaders any more! Neither are laws prohibiting the possession or use of modern firepower.

It is very important as a "civilian" (and becoming more important) that as the criminal element increase their own firepower and numbers that we can as well. How much firepower exists in the hands of the ubiquitous drug gangs, drug cartels, Crips, Bloods, Mexican Mafia, or thousands of other organized criminal groups in this country? I'll answer that... a lot!

Such groups also have the advantage (in the "civilian" world) of choosing the time, place, and method to take criminal action against the innocent or unsuspecting. Therefore, even a properly armed civilian is almost always at an initial disadvantage at the start of a serious criminal act because they are not the aggressor. But they most likely are surprised, usually outnumbered, and sometimes outgunned.

Here are some examples where a lot of available firepower by an honest citizen might be needed, and needed fast...

How about home invasions by several armed invaders? This happens all the time and generally with multiple attackers. Keep in mind, even if you can get to a firearm in time to take action, you are usually "stuck" with what you have in your hand. Even multiple extra magazines you don't have on you or a handful of loose bullets in you fist doesn't hack it when you are empty and the threat is not stopped. Also, there is no guarantee you can score a hit or even stop a bad guy with one, two, or three shots even if some are hits. The bad guys have the tactical advantage, the numbers, likely the firepower. So, a firearm with a high capacity magazine is almost a "must" in a deadly encounter like this.

You have heard of flash mobs, right? Everyone has, and they are becoming more bold. With today's communications, any hostile or criminal groups with a little organization and ObamaPhones can quickly assemble at a place of their choosing and attack in large numbers. However, it may not be the Quik-Stop down the corner (or, you may in the Quik-Stop). The target might be your neighborhood or even your house. They can hit, do their deeds, and disperse long before the cops show up. Mobs are very fickle and can be deadly quickly. Defending against a large mob as an individual is very difficult even if you are not the initial target.

Or how about armed gangs of various stripes bent on murder, mayhem, revenge, thievery, or "fun" - motorcycle, drug, criminal, racial? They have their own firepower and lots of it and have proved they are more than ready, willing, and able to use it for whatever purpose they want. What if they decide it is you, your home, your wife, or your possessions they want? Begging for "mercy" might help, but even if it saves your life it won't save anything else from them.

Oh, sure, the cops will eventually show up to secure the scene, put up the tape, draw the chalk lines, forensic the evidence, investigate more thoroughly, and maybe someday even catch the bad guys and who knows - they might even put them in jail if they have enough proof and the jury isn't hung! But that's what the police do. They have no duty to protect you and your family. That is your duty!

Having the means to protect yourself from predators (maybe numerous armed ones) means having the adequate weapons (which in many informed opinions) would mean at least a readily available semi-auto weapon with enough power and enough ammo capacity to do the job. Ergo, we are back to the misnamed "assault weapons" and pistols having large capacity magazines which can take care of the problem adequately and contain enough ammo in case of an encounter with multiple attackers. Pump shotguns and revolvers are nice, but you usually can't carry a shotgun around with you and both need reloading even after limited action, and that takes valuable time and attention which can leave you fatally vulnerable and maybe fatally dead.

Anyhow, there a few thoughts on "why" an individual might need such tools as semi-auto weapons with high capacity magazines.

The Founding Fathers never intended a defenseless citizenry, nor a free people who would allow themselves to be disarmed by tyrants (foreign or domestic) or control freak politicians. They never intended a free people to be subject to the whims of those who want to play the part of abusive husband to the beaten wife.

That is not what life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness is about.

308 posted on 12/28/2012 3:26:49 PM PST by Gritty (One chief guarantee of freedom is the right of citizens to keep and bear arms - Hubert H. Humphrey)
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To: Purrcival; All
OMG you are a woman?

do you know how many women get TORTURED, raped and murdered per year. Look up Hope Melton. If most of these women had a gun they would not have been raped and murdered. This idiot drove Melton off the road and raped her by hand then beat her to death with a baseball bat after the rape . Of course the media doesn't show us this but makes the mass shooters world famous, immortal, to be remembered, a household name. If I were the media I would make hope melton a household name as she should be as she was a victim. But no one has heard of her. this is how the media controls even you “a coservative woman”. These mass shooters are losers who no one ever paid any attention to , many are wanting suicide so they want to go out in a blaze of glory , to be remembered , to be the next star, to be world famous. And the media know this so the media blasts the mass shooter's name all over the place

I don't think a real conservative would even pose that question but i guess it helped that you posted it as it got replies and even I learned a lot from other freepers reading their responses to you.

And if you want to pose that question again please do as it created those great responses from freepers.

Let me tell you why to me a conservative wouldn't pose that question. To me a conservative wouldn't want to give more power to the federal government to control guns or “assault weapons” or anything for that matter. let me ask you a question , do you think the government has enough size , too much size and power already ? Why Why give these government cretins any more power at all regardless of what the stupid liberal media says is needed to correct some crises? you have to understand that it is the media that gets people talking about gun control . the media caused this shooting by giving previous shooter fame. Yes they can report it but they don't have to identify the perpetrator and they don't have to make it the story of the year to make it what people are talking about now but they do , and they make this creep famous to create the next mass shooter.
so the media put that question you asked into the national conversation. so you have to understand the media put it there and is putting you and all of us in mortal danger as they want to take away our right to defend ourselves against rapist murderers and robbers etc. but mainly so we can't defend ourselves against a tyranicall government.

my advice to you is carry a gun . the media hide the many rapes , murders that could have been prevented if the victim only had a gun. I'm a man and here in Louisiana we can carry so I do. but i implore anyone especially a woman to carry as you have no idea what mortal danger you are in .

really look up Hope melton. She was a beautiful woman .

do you see that everything democrats/communists do is to give government more power and at the same time the individual less power. Do you see this attempt to control “assualt weapons” is part of that plot? It is the democrats and government that are the threat and they already put me in danger in so many ways one way is that they restrict my ability to carry guns etc. even though we in Loisiana just voted to make it harder for the morons to take our gun rights.

I debated a liberal woman yesterday but didn't have enough time with her.

I couldn't believe that idiot was for democrats and socialist healtchare . We didn't get to gun control .but I did touch on the fact that democrats want to grow the government. and that idiot woman was absolutely beautiful and young and had no idea what danger she was in , moron.

I've seen liberals and the media pose that question as means to hurt us.

309 posted on 12/28/2012 3:30:01 PM PST by Democrat_media (media makes mass shooters household names to create more & take our guns)
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To: Gritty; Purrcival

Thanks for the “thank you” purrcival. Gritty’s post reminds me of what Patton said about the M1 Rifle: “The greatest battle implement ever devised.” I imagine Patton would be perhaps just as, or more impressed with some of the even larger capacity rifles now.


310 posted on 12/28/2012 3:46:36 PM PST by 21twelve (So I [God] gave them over to their stubborn hearts to follow their own devices. Psalm 81:12)
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To: RKBA Democrat
The gop, if it weren’t so useless, would counter with: “we want to repeal the gun control act of 1968.” Unfortunately though, the gop will continue to cringe, cower, and capitulate.

That deserves a "bump"! There's not many I would want to share a foxhole with, especially in the "leadership", that's for sure.

To make matters worse, those on the left side of the aisle are busy cutting and crawling through the wire.

"Something" will have to be done soon or they will be through...

311 posted on 12/28/2012 4:07:15 PM PST by Gritty (The people are not to be disarmed but fully left with their weapons-Z. Johnson, Constitution Debates)
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To: KansasGirl
"How would that have prevented what happened in CT?"

It wouldn't have. Adam's mother was certified, approved and degreed as one of the superiors of society. So were Jokerboy's parents.

The object of gun control and other measures are to make sure that presently deposed (laid off) members of the middle class and the tens of millions to be deposed (from their government/government-linked incomes) during the remainder of the default process are no possible threat to those who will continue to control the shrinking pool of government debt and revenues from the agriculture-only economy of the near future.

The few remaining approved for participation in the economy hope to live happily ever after, frolicking with Bambi and Kitty in pristine "open space," sans scary presences of then-vanished, unfashionable masses. "Future's so bright, I gotta wear shades," eh?

This process was bound to happen from somewhat before 1980, on. First, the tossing of manufacturing from US soil. Second, the destruction of the family, also to prevent domestic competition from rising. Then many more regulations against tiny manufacturing starts followed by the contemporary feeding frenzy. It's raining middle class folks for years--over a million of 'em a month. And many who don't expect to lose their investments are afraid.

Thus, the present and increasing hysteria in politics and policies. Have fun. Enjoy the slide.


312 posted on 12/28/2012 5:20:27 PM PST by familyop (We Baby Boomers are croaking in an avalanche of rotten politics smelled around the planet.)
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To: Purrcival
Purrcival, you are a good sport. And as it was pointed out, you invited healthy discussion.
I hope that you get to read Unintended Consequences. It has a couple of really crude scenes, however they are not any rougher than real life.
313 posted on 12/28/2012 5:42:10 PM PST by SisterK (My kingdom is NOT of this world)
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To: crosshairs

The Democrats want more disarmament so they can enable more mass murders. Mass murders are courtesy the Democrats via their “no guns here” laws.


314 posted on 12/28/2012 6:29:02 PM PST by OldArmy52 (The question is not whether Obama ever lies, but whether he ever tells the truth.)
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To: Iron Munro

” believe you have the two moronic California senators mixed up (easy to do).

It was Barbara (dumb as a box of hammers) Boxer who uttered those immortal words.”

Boxer is a few cards short of a full deck, but then again she ably represents her voters, who share the same characteristics.


315 posted on 12/28/2012 6:34:26 PM PST by OldArmy52 (The question is not whether Obama ever lies, but whether he ever tells the truth.)
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To: driftdiver

Hypocritical witch.


316 posted on 12/28/2012 8:05:22 PM PST by madison10
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To: KTM rider
I wonder if a well placed Nitro Express would take out an Apache ?

If the American Spring started up you know they would fire up those lawn mowers to break up the Tea Party

Every friday at 2:30 pm one or two Apaches fly over downtown Los Angeles for some reason


As this is a thought experiment, I've heard stories where Mi-24 Hinds were shot down by AK-47's back in the 1980's in Afghanistan so the Apache is pretty much in the same category. Some say the bigger cartridges like the .375 H&H and up would do the trick.
317 posted on 12/28/2012 11:33:29 PM PST by Nowhere Man (Whitey, I miss you so much. Take care, pretty girl. (4-15-2001 - 10-12-2012))
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To: driftdiver
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318 posted on 12/29/2012 3:30:11 AM PST by Candor7 (Obama fascism article:(http://www.americanthinker.com/2009/05/barack_obama_the_quintessentia_1.html))
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To: Candor7

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319 posted on 12/29/2012 3:40:02 AM PST by skinkinthegrass (who'll take tomorrow,spend it all today;who can take your income,tax it all away..0'Bozo man can :-)
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To: Democrat_media

Thanks for telling me about Hope Melton, and no, I hadn’t heard about her before.

My question did not come from any lack of conservatism. It is born more out of total ignorance about guns because in my life, I was never exposed to them except on TV and in movies.

And yes, I believe government has gotten way too big and is trying to claim increasing control over our lives.


320 posted on 12/29/2012 7:55:18 AM PST by Purrcival (Four more years of OBAMA??????????? I hope this country can survive.)
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To: driftdiver

321 posted on 12/29/2012 8:57:46 AM PST by PLD
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To: Candor7; Eaker; Absolutely Nobama; afnamvet; AK2KX; Ancesthntr; An Old Man; APatientMan; ...
Candor 7 wrote:

What is the problem with banning assault weapons?>>>>>

We begin to go down the slippery slope that supposes that guns hurt people in and of themselves. The human component does not count. We single out a class of guns as “evil.” The class then grows to include all guns.

We know how the left works on this issue, we have been fighting them on the issue sionce Kennedy’s Assassination. The 2nd amendment and its case law are pretty well defined.But what few realize is that any bill that does not pass congress to ban assault rifles, the president ( so called) will accomplish via Executive Order. That precedent was established 3 years ago with the EPA, amnesty for illegal aliens, etc.).

The basis for a civil war between Utopian Fascism and Constitution Patriots is now being defined. This battle will not be between North and South, but will be clustered around certain Urban Areas containiing collectives of Utopian Fascists who go after Constitutional patriots with arms.When the Patriots defend themselves according to law, the feds will attempt to arrest such PAtriots. Then the war will be on.

The demographic will follow that delineated by the map pubolished by the News papaers of the locations of those who have right to carry. Then cadres of armed Utopian Fascists will go after them.

We have seen the first stages of what the demographioc will be in our coming Civil War.That map says it all.

Time for a Civil War II ping! About the CWII Ping List The CWII Ping List is short for Civil War II. It is NOT a list of people advocating another Civil War in America. It is a list of people who are interested in the parallels between the Civil War (or War Between the States, if you prefer) and our current situation, or more generally are noting the references to a 'coming Civil War' that are made in the press or forum. FR rules do not permit advocating for the overthrow of the Republic, and I am not aware of anyone doing so on the list. Still many do see that as the political climate worsens we may be heading in a direction that makes such a conflict all but inevitable, particularly if other avenues for resolving our differences are taken away. Such as widespread vote fraud by leftists making elections meaningless, or a small cadre of judges over-ruling all attempts to end destructive policies over the clear will of the people.

The correct keyword tag for the Civil War II ping list is "CWII".

Please Freep Mail me to get on the list

322 posted on 12/29/2012 10:55:55 AM PST by Jack Black ( Whatever is left of American patriotism is now identical with counter-revolution.)
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To: Candor7; Eaker; Absolutely Nobama; afnamvet; AK2KX; Ancesthntr; An Old Man; APatientMan; ...
Candor 7 wrote:

What is the problem with banning assault weapons?>>>>>

We begin to go down the slippery slope that supposes that guns hurt people in and of themselves. The human component does not count. We single out a class of guns as “evil.” The class then grows to include all guns.

We know how the left works on this issue, we have been fighting them on the issue sionce Kennedy’s Assassination. The 2nd amendment and its case law are pretty well defined.But what few realize is that any bill that does not pass congress to ban assault rifles, the president ( so called) will accomplish via Executive Order. That precedent was established 3 years ago with the EPA, amnesty for illegal aliens, etc.).

The basis for a civil war between Utopian Fascism and Constitution Patriots is now being defined. This battle will not be between North and South, but will be clustered around certain Urban Areas containiing collectives of Utopian Fascists who go after Constitutional patriots with arms.When the Patriots defend themselves according to law, the feds will attempt to arrest such PAtriots. Then the war will be on.

The demographic will follow that delineated by the map pubolished by the News papaers of the locations of those who have right to carry. Then cadres of armed Utopian Fascists will go after them.

We have seen the first stages of what the demographioc will be in our coming Civil War.That map says it all.

Time for a Civil War II ping! About the CWII Ping List The CWII Ping List is short for Civil War II. It is NOT a list of people advocating another Civil War in America. It is a list of people who are interested in the parallels between the Civil War (or War Between the States, if you prefer) and our current situation, or more generally are noting the references to a 'coming Civil War' that are made in the press or forum. FR rules do not permit advocating for the overthrow of the Republic, and I am not aware of anyone doing so on the list. Still many do see that as the political climate worsens we may be heading in a direction that makes such a conflict all but inevitable, particularly if other avenues for resolving our differences are taken away. Such as widespread vote fraud by leftists making elections meaningless, or a small cadre of judges over-ruling all attempts to end destructive policies over the clear will of the people.

The correct keyword tag for the Civil War II ping list is "CWII".

Please Freep Mail me to get on the list

323 posted on 12/29/2012 10:56:47 AM PST by Jack Black ( Whatever is left of American patriotism is now identical with counter-revolution.)
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To: Candor7; Eaker; Absolutely Nobama; afnamvet; AK2KX; Ancesthntr; An Old Man; APatientMan; ...
Candor 7 wrote:

What is the problem with banning assault weapons?>>>>>

We begin to go down the slippery slope that supposes that guns hurt people in and of themselves. The human component does not count. We single out a class of guns as “evil.” The class then grows to include all guns.

We know how the left works on this issue, we have been fighting them on the issue sionce Kennedy’s Assassination. The 2nd amendment and its case law are pretty well defined.But what few realize is that any bill that does not pass congress to ban assault rifles, the president ( so called) will accomplish via Executive Order. That precedent was established 3 years ago with the EPA, amnesty for illegal aliens, etc.).

The basis for a civil war between Utopian Fascism and Constitution Patriots is now being defined. This battle will not be between North and South, but will be clustered around certain Urban Areas containiing collectives of Utopian Fascists who go after Constitutional patriots with arms.When the Patriots defend themselves according to law, the feds will attempt to arrest such PAtriots. Then the war will be on.

The demographic will follow that delineated by the map pubolished by the News papaers of the locations of those who have right to carry. Then cadres of armed Utopian Fascists will go after them.

We have seen the first stages of what the demographioc will be in our coming Civil War.That map says it all.

Time for a Civil War II ping! About the CWII Ping List The CWII Ping List is short for Civil War II. It is NOT a list of people advocating another Civil War in America. It is a list of people who are interested in the parallels between the Civil War (or War Between the States, if you prefer) and our current situation, or more generally are noting the references to a 'coming Civil War' that are made in the press or forum. FR rules do not permit advocating for the overthrow of the Republic, and I am not aware of anyone doing so on the list. Still many do see that as the political climate worsens we may be heading in a direction that makes such a conflict all but inevitable, particularly if other avenues for resolving our differences are taken away. Such as widespread vote fraud by leftists making elections meaningless, or a small cadre of judges over-ruling all attempts to end destructive policies over the clear will of the people.

The correct keyword tag for the Civil War II ping list is "CWII".

Please Freep Mail me to get on the list

324 posted on 12/29/2012 11:00:53 AM PST by Jack Black ( Whatever is left of American patriotism is now identical with counter-revolution.)
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To: Jack Black

Sorry. Some problems with hookup.


325 posted on 12/29/2012 11:03:09 AM PST by Jack Black ( Whatever is left of American patriotism is now identical with counter-revolution.)
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To: Purrcival
every breath that wretched POS takes is proof we are a law abiding gun owning citizenry...
326 posted on 12/29/2012 11:27:45 AM PST by Chode (American Hedonist - *DTOM* -ww- NO Pity for the LAZY)
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To: JGT

You could be right. But I don’t think so. I think the legislation will not pass. My take is that Boehner has been treated like crap by Obozo and the Obozo media, and will just see that no AWB at all is brought to the floor, just to spite them.

The fiscal cliff thing may ensure that this isn’t even a major topic come Jan 2. If parts of the govt. are not funded, and everyone’s taxes have gone up Joe Sixpack is not going to be available to be led around by the nose to demand AWBs.

In other words, they have overplayed their hand and aren’t gonna get their dream.


327 posted on 12/29/2012 11:27:58 AM PST by Jack Black ( Whatever is left of American patriotism is now identical with counter-revolution.)
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To: LucianOfSamasota

I believe that was Barbara Boxer who said that, but, as they said on “The Five” the other day, Feinstein, Boxer, same thing, really.


328 posted on 12/29/2012 11:32:35 AM PST by stanne
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To: Jack Black

329 posted on 12/29/2012 12:07:51 PM PST by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: Purrcival; All

That being said, I am asking a sincere question: What is the problem with banning assault weapons? Why would anyone need them? I’m looking to the gun owners and those who really understand the Second Amendment to educate me, please.

Here is another well spoken example of the argument of “why would anyone NEED them”???

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vGxU9GQ6M_g

It is not a good quality recording, but the message she delievers is absolutely clear...

Also, notice the smugness of the asshat call Schumer sitting up on his throne...He and many others would love to make us all victims, dependent upon the reactionary forces to protect us from all sorts of threats to our liberties and freedoms, not just our lives, and the lives of our families and countrymen...

I reject every attempt to control us, when they themselves ARE the very threat to our lives, liberty and pursuit of happiness...


330 posted on 12/29/2012 6:26:17 PM PST by stevie_d_64 (It's not the color of one's skin that offends people...it's how thin it is.)
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To: Jack Black

http://www.canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/52037

“According to my source, there is talk among the highest levels of the uppermost echelon of the Department of Homeland Security, which he describes as effectively under the control of Barack Hussein Obama. During this call, he said that the DHS is actively preparing for massive social unrest inside the United States. He then corrected himself, stating that “a civil war” is the more appropriate term. Certain elements of the government are not only expecting and preparing for it, they are actually facilitating it,” stated my source. (CFP May 8, 2012)


331 posted on 12/29/2012 9:29:48 PM PST by Candor7 (Obama fascism article:(http://www.americanthinker.com/2009/05/barack_obama_the_quintessentia_1.html))
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To: Jack Black

Any Jew who supports “gun control”
has either forgotten the lessons of the Holocaust,
or never learned them in the first place.

If you were to choose between an armed teacher,
or a class full of dead students, which would you choose?


332 posted on 12/29/2012 10:30:06 PM PST by Yehuda
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To: skinkinthegrass

The last graphic was from an Obama 2008 campaign page:

“Barak Obama won’t take your gun.”


333 posted on 12/30/2012 3:16:22 AM PST by Candor7 (Obama fascism article:(http://www.americanthinker.com/2009/05/barack_obama_the_quintessentia_1.html))
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To: Purrcival

Hardcopies of Unintended Consequences are outrageously expensive, it being out of print.

Go exploring around the Internet; you should be able to find a pdf copy.


334 posted on 12/30/2012 4:01:00 AM PST by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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To: Nowhere Man
I've heard stories where Mi-24 Hinds were shot down by AK-47's back in the 1980's in Afghanistan...

I'm not sure I'd believe that one, unless they actually shot the pilot.

I don't think there was any serious attrition of Soviet helicopter gunships until the Afghans started acquiring Stingers.

335 posted on 12/30/2012 4:04:01 AM PST by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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To: driftdiver
I think it was Jefferson who said it best, “You won't need the 2nd amendment until they try and take it away from you.”

If they pass laws to disarm Americans it is a declaration of war against American gun owners.

336 posted on 12/30/2012 6:50:05 AM PST by stockpirate (Mooshell Obama will run for POTUS in 2016.......Obama election fruad won the day.)
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To: DuncanWaring

Thank you


337 posted on 12/30/2012 8:27:56 AM PST by Purrcival (Four more years of OBAMA??????????? I hope this country can survive.)
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To: DuncanWaring

I don’t know, the AK round is akin to a .30-30, perhaps it hit something on the Hind that’s vulnerable and that’s what brought it down.


338 posted on 12/30/2012 9:47:02 AM PST by Nowhere Man (Whitey, I miss you so much. Take care, pretty girl. (4-15-2001 - 10-12-2012))
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To: cbkaty
THIS "WILL" GET UGLY........Texas will not submit...period.

Nor Montana. Nor, likely, my home state of Wyoming.

But Montana's Secretary of State Brad Johnson said it very clearly a couple of years back, and there's quite a push to have him run for the state governor's office...or presidency, if it comes to that.

Second Amendment an individual right

The U.S. Supreme Court will soon decide D.C. v. Heller, the first case in more than 60 years in which the court will confront the meaning of the Second Amendment to the U.S. Constitution. Although Heller is about the constitutionality of the D.C. handgun ban, the court's decision will have an impact far beyond the District ("Promises breached," Op-Ed, Thursday).

The court must decide in Heller whether the Second Amendment secures a right for individuals to keep and bear arms or merely grants states the power to arm their militias, the National Guard. This latter view is called the "collective rights" theory.

A collective rights decision by the court would violate the contract by which Montana entered into statehood, called the Compact With the United States and archived at Article I of the Montana Constitution. When Montana and the United States entered into this bilateral contract in 1889, the U.S. approved the right to bear arms in the Montana Constitution, guaranteeing the right of "any person" to bear arms, clearly an individual right.

There was no assertion in 1889 that the Second Amendment was susceptible to a collective rights interpretation, and the parties to the contract understood the Second Amendment to be consistent with the declared Montana constitutional right of "any person" to bear arms.

As a bedrock principle of law, a contract must be honored so as to give effect to the intent of the contracting parties. A collective rights decision by the court in Heller would invoke an era of unilaterally revisable contracts by violating the statehood contract between the United States and Montana, and many other states

Numerous Montana lawmakers have concurred in a resolution raising this contract-violation issue. It's posted at progunleaders.org. The United States would do well to keep its contractual promise to the states that the Second Amendment secures an individual right now as it did upon execution of the statehood contract.

BRAD JOHNSON

Montana secretary of state

Helena, Mont.

*more*

339 posted on 12/31/2012 8:05:59 PM PST by archy
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