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The NRA plan is so stupid that 1/3rd of all public schools already use it
The National Review ^ | 12/24/12 | Via New York Times:

Posted on 12/24/2012 1:17:51 PM PST by Nachum

[. . .] Nationwide, at least 23,000 schools — about one-third of all public schools — already had armed security on staff as of the most recent data, for the 2009-10 school year, and a number of states and districts that do not use them have begun discussing the idea in recent days. . .

Plus the NRA plan was much more comprehensive than just armed guards.

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TOPICS: News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: banglist; guncontrol; newyorktimes; nra; plan; schools; secondamendment; stupid

1 posted on 12/24/2012 1:17:59 PM PST by Nachum
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To: Nachum

I read this morning that the school Obama’s daughters go to has 11 armed guards.

That’s how crazy this plan is.


2 posted on 12/24/2012 1:23:44 PM PST by Venturer
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To: Nachum

It’’s not known how many Utah schools have armed CCW staff, because it’s against the law for the school districts to ask the teachers/staff if they are carrying.


3 posted on 12/24/2012 1:24:21 PM PST by glock rocks (Pro Deo et Constitutione - Libertas aut Mors)
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To: Nachum

Locally, there have been School Resource Officers at the high schools for several years, but not at the lower schools.
I think they were there mainly to deal with students, not outside threats. Maybe recent events will change things.


4 posted on 12/24/2012 1:24:28 PM PST by real saxophonist
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To: Nachum

I went to Stockton High in Stockton, CA and they had a police station on campus near the cafeteria.

That was in 1977 and there were several incidents that were brought under control quickly as a direct result of the proximity of officers.


5 posted on 12/24/2012 1:26:01 PM PST by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously, you won't live through it anyway)
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To: Nachum

Maybe we should see how many injuries and deaths by shooting happened at the armed schools.

Probably so many, in fact very likely more than at the unguarded schools, that we now have proof that the idea is a total failure. /s


6 posted on 12/24/2012 1:26:50 PM PST by Right Wing Assault (Dick Obama is more inexperienced now than he was before he was elected.)
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To: Venturer

If reporters had any integrity, one of them would ask the President at his next press conference, “Mr. President. Is it true that your children go to a school where there are armed guards? Do you think all Americans should have the same access to protection that they do?”


7 posted on 12/24/2012 1:37:48 PM PST by coloradan (The US has become a banana republic, except without the bananas - or the republic.)
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To: Nachum
The NRA plan is so stupid that 1/3rd of all public schools already use it

Ummm Spews York Slimes NRA Rep Asa Hutchinson has already made that publicly known.

8 posted on 12/24/2012 1:41:57 PM PST by Red Steel
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To: Red Steel

In the schools where they need to protect the teachers from the students they have armed police.


9 posted on 12/24/2012 1:45:56 PM PST by Oldexpat
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To: coloradan

Yeah. Somebody like Dick Gregory whose kids go the same armed school as the prez’s daughters.


10 posted on 12/24/2012 1:48:44 PM PST by Wiser now (Socialism does not eliminate poverty, it guarantees it.)
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To: Venturer
" read this morning that the school Obama’s daughters go to has 11 armed guards."

Note that the "friends" school is located in a huge gun free zone.

11 posted on 12/24/2012 1:49:44 PM PST by Paladin2
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To: real saxophonist

Our County has SROs (Sheriff’s Deputy) in all the public schools during schools hours.


12 posted on 12/24/2012 1:52:17 PM PST by PeteB570 ( Islam is the sea in which the Terrorist Shark swims. The deeper the sea the larger the shark.)
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To: Paladin2

Obummer`s Executive Order via the US Dept of Educ.:
DO NOT DO AS I DO, BUT DO AS I SAY.”


13 posted on 12/24/2012 1:54:21 PM PST by bunkerhill7 (bum rap)
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To: Nachum

Good catch...


14 posted on 12/24/2012 1:56:48 PM PST by SuperLuminal (Where is another agitator for republicanism like Sam Adams when we need him?)
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To: Nachum

Ok...how many of these mass killings have happened at these armed schools?


15 posted on 12/24/2012 2:03:28 PM PST by Vermont Lt (We are so screwed.)
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To: Nachum

Most schools have no need but Detroit area schools have them and the gang bangers still manage to kill each other.


16 posted on 12/24/2012 2:04:14 PM PST by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: Vermont Lt
Ok...how many of these mass killings have happened at these armed schools?

Well despite armed guards the gang bangers manage to kill each other in Detroit schools the a rate of a couple per year.

There are 30 separate school buildings in my county and not one has had a shooting EVER.
17 posted on 12/24/2012 2:07:58 PM PST by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: Vermont Lt

um.....I believe the answer to your question is zero.


18 posted on 12/24/2012 2:09:17 PM PST by forgotten man (forgotten man)
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To: glock rocks
It’’s not known how many Utah schools have armed CCW staff,

Nor should it......

A now retired friend of mine was a vice-principal at a school in Warren, Michigan. Prior to the gun free zones which went into effect with Michigan's "shall issue" law in 2001, my friend and numerous other male teachers in the school carried concealed weapons......not even the principal knew they carried.

19 posted on 12/24/2012 2:15:03 PM PST by Hot Tabasco (Jab her with a harpoon.....)
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To: cripplecreek
Detroit area schools have them and the gang bangers still manage to kill each other.

In addition to security officers, I think they also have metal detectors.

Two reports I heard on Channel 7 news a number of years ago:

1. News babe reported on a student who was caught bringing an assault weapon into one of the Detroit high schools. Several days later, a follow up report said it was a shotgun.

2. Also a few years ago, Channel 4's Bill Proctor reported on a shooting in Detroit. He said, and I quote: "Police are looking for a .357 Smith and Wesson Glock Pistol"...........no lie!

20 posted on 12/24/2012 2:23:12 PM PST by Hot Tabasco (Jab her with a harpoon.....)
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To: Venturer
I read this morning that the school Obama’s daughters go to has 11 armed guards.

And that doesn't include the Secret Service guys.

The children of politicians are much more important than everyone else,s children, of course. (Just like their parents who are exempt from Obamacare.) They get school choice while other kids can't. They get multiple armed guards to protect them, but other kids don't.

Yes, the Obamakids go to Sidwell Friends School, run by the Quakers. Quakers are pacifists. Some do not believe in self-defense, but I guess it is OK to hire someone else to protect you, eh?

'Good people sleep peaceably in their beds at night only because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf.'

21 posted on 12/24/2012 2:39:08 PM PST by Right Wing Assault (Dick Obama is more inexperienced now than he was before he was elected.)
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To: Hot Tabasco
The simple fact is that guards are little more than an obstacle to be avoided. In fact a lot of Detroit school shootings happen at bus stops where there is no danger of encountering the guard.

Simply eliminating the gun free zones will be at least as effective as armed guards. If a few school staff choose to be discretely armed, its as much deterrent as anything.

My truly rural Alma Mater sprawls over a considerable area and its a small school compared to many. There are also two other school smaller school buildings in the district.

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The Sandy Hook shootings took around 3 minutes. If the same were to happen at my old school, the guard would have to be right on top of it to prevent it.

When it comes right down to it, most school shootings happen at inner city schools and only amount to a couple percent of the 100,000 + schools in this country. Mass shootings amount to a tiny fraction of a percent.
22 posted on 12/24/2012 2:48:31 PM PST by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: Nachum

My school has a couple of armed SROs. But I’d feel better if the law said I could legally carry there.


23 posted on 12/24/2012 3:15:40 PM PST by GenXteacher (You have chosen dishonor to avoid war; you shall have war also.)
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To: real saxophonist

That strikes me as a very good idea. Many small towns have relatively small pollce forces and compensation for those officers already amounts to a good part of the budget for such towns. Having an assistant principal, or similar school officer, with a CCW permit who’s also been trained to respond to a potential shooter situation, would provide the necessary protection at a far lower cost.


24 posted on 12/24/2012 5:35:34 PM PST by libstripper
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To: Nachum

There are enough able bodied retirees in this country who would volunteer their time to protect every school in the country every hour there are kids there.

I have some free time and I’d certainly be one of them. Think about how much money it would save too.


25 posted on 12/24/2012 6:05:51 PM PST by Graybeard58 ("Civil rights” leader and MSNB-Hee Haw host Al Sharpton - Larry Elder)
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To: Graybeard58

They are there to keep track of the criminals going to school....maybe in schools for the super rich they are there as guards...not in the intercity


26 posted on 12/24/2012 7:08:07 PM PST by Hojczyk
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To: coloradan

Don’t expect a question like that from these wimp assed Journalists that go to the White House.


27 posted on 12/24/2012 7:09:21 PM PST by Venturer
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To: Vermont Lt; forgotten man; Right Wing Assault
Ok...how many of these mass killings have happened at these armed schools?

Columbine High School had armed security guards. They were trained in the event of a shooting to call 911 and wait for police response. Police response was trained to establish a perimeter and wait for SWAT. By the time SWAT entered the building nearly two hours after the shooting began, there were 13 dead, 24 injured, and Kliebold and Harris had committed suicide.

It takes more than armed guards, it takes the proper training and mindset to stop the violence as soon as possible.

Oh, and this was during the Clinton-era Assault Weapon ban that also banned "high capacity" magazines. Harris had a Hi-Point 9mm carbine (a rifle that shoots pistol-caliber ammunition) with thirteen 10 round magazines, and shot a total of 96 times.

28 posted on 12/24/2012 7:18:37 PM PST by Yo-Yo (Is the /sarc tag really necessary?)
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To: Venturer

Well, I DID say, “If they had integrity...”


29 posted on 12/24/2012 8:39:43 PM PST by coloradan (The US has become a banana republic, except without the bananas - or the republic.)
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To: Graybeard58

Murderer wants a sex change; taxpayers will have to pay for it
http://www.stltoday.com/news/national/murderer-wants-a-sex-change-taxpayers-will-have-to-pay/article_ef7cfee2-f6be-11e1-805b-001a4bcf6878.html

spending Dems support.after all, they can’t afford to fire a diversity coordinator and hire a cop for the school.


30 posted on 12/26/2012 5:50:38 AM PST by TurboZamboni (Looting the future to bribe the present)
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