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BREAKING People (firefighters) Shot at Scene of Webster (NY) Fire
WHAM13 ^ | 12/24/12 | WHAM13

Posted on 12/24/2012 5:17:08 AM PST by Revelation 911

Webster, N.Y. -- 13WHAM News has learned several people have been shot at the scene of a fire on Lake Road in Webster.

The fire is at 191 Lake Road near Bay Road. A source tells 13WHAM News that at that scene, an unknown gunman opened fire on fire crews on the scene.

The victims have been taken by Mercy Flight to area hospitals. The fire has now spread to a second house.

13WHAM has several crews converging on the scene and will provide updates at they're available.

TOPICS: Breaking News; Crime/Corruption; News/Current Events; US: New Mexico; US: New York
KEYWORDS: banglist; firefighters; firefightersgunned; firemengunned; firemenshooter; gunviolence; ny; shooting; williamspengler
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To: rochester_veteran

This guy was crazy and should never have been released. In Florida, where I live, there have been a few killings over the years by nutcases who lived in remote places and have set up mantraps. However, in this case he lured the first responders into the trap.

I suspect that he was probably stirred up by the nutcase in CT. Crazy people probably read those news reports and thought, wow, cool, people will really understand my power if I blow away a few of them.

Guns make it easier for these people (and before you attack me, listen to the next part of this sentence), but they would have killed anyway and they should have been locked up and unable to get near any weapon or even any other unprotected human being.

Can commitment be abused? Of course. But only the good are dying now, and this has got to be stopped.

101 posted on 12/24/2012 12:58:53 PM PST by livius
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To: Lazamataz

Where abouts is Webster? Upstate?

102 posted on 12/24/2012 1:02:01 PM PST by ContraryMary (Obama -- Inept and Out of His Depth)
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To: Drill Thrawl

the perp killed his grandmother 30 years ago with a hammer

Sounds like instead of gun control - we need court control

103 posted on 12/24/2012 1:07:51 PM PST by Revelation 911 (hump scratching n'er do well.....all strung out on chicken wings and venison jerky)
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To: Lawdoc
What is wrong with people?

Obama's trickle-down lawlessness is spreading. He's an agitator and organizer, and it's working.


104 posted on 12/24/2012 1:17:30 PM PST by Political Junkie Too (If you are the Posterity of We the People, then you are a Natural Born Citizen.)
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To: ContraryMary

It is.

105 posted on 12/24/2012 1:58:12 PM PST by Lazamataz (LAZ'S LAW: As an argument with liberals goes on, the probability of being called racist approaches 1)
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To: livius
The Webster Police Chief said it loud and clear....

THE SYSTEM IS WRONG !! Spengler should have never been released.

106 posted on 12/24/2012 2:55:12 PM PST by Sacajaweau
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To: ContraryMary
Webster is bounded on the north by Lake Ontario and on the west by Irondequoit Bay and about 6 miles east of the Genesee River which runs southerly through Rochester NY. the home of Kodak and Bausch & Lomb.

The site of the incident itself was a few hundred feet east of the Bay.

107 posted on 12/24/2012 3:04:53 PM PST by Sacajaweau
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To: Sacajaweau

I lived in CA in the 1970 s during the heyday of deinstitutionalization, when they released a man who pleaded with them to let him stay in, because he said he felt “like a puppy on the freeway” when he was outside of that environment. They kicked him out, and within a matter of weeks he had killed a teenage girl who was walking along the road and then went on to kill and eat his grandmother.

Unfortunately, this made no change in the CA mental health plan, and Ronald Reagan ( as Governor) even came out and said that the mentally ill were really just fine and could get jobs such as ...playground monitors!

People in authority are completely unrealistic about the mentally ill.

108 posted on 12/24/2012 3:11:08 PM PST by livius
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To: wita

“Difficult as it may be, the decision to protect firearms from illegal and unconstitutional confiscation must be a part of firearms training. It must be part of you, it cannot rationally be made as those arrive at your door to take your firearms from you.
It must also be widely known by any and all that any efforts by anyone in government do be involved in any confiscation scheme, will be met by deadly force. So spread the word it ain’t a secret. If you are looking for a ticket to oblivion, willingly give up your guns to anyone other than the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob.”

From “Unintended Consequences” (John Ross), page 151:

“Dad, while you were taking pictures after we had lunch, Mr. Mann was telling me about what happened to him during the war.” Henry and his father were down in the workshop, where Henry was cleaning his guns. Walter Bowman looked up at his son.

“Hm.” Walter had never heard of Irwin Mann talking about that part of his past.

“He was telling me about how the police came and took him and his wife away, and he never saw her or any of his family again. He said that Hitler killed six million Jews like him, and would have killed all of them if the Americans hadn’t fought against the Germans and beat them.”

“That’s probably true.”

“He talked about how none of them had any way to fight back. He said first the police took away the guns that were like the ones the soldiers used, then they took away ALL their guns. He said he hoped I was always a good shot with as many kinds of guns as possible, in case the same thing ever happened here.” Henry looked very upset. “Dad, I love shooting, but I don’t want to kill anyone. Could something like what happened in Germany ever happen here?” he asked.

Walter Bowman, the history teacher, looked his son in the eye. Want to take this question for me, Uncle Cam? he said silently. Finally he answered.

“It probably won’t happen here,” he said, and mentally added the word again. “I certainly pray that it doesn’t. We have a nation with the kind of freedoms that people in most other countries can only dream of. But to answer your question accurately, yes, it could happen here.” And it killed your uncle.

“There are always men who want more and more power, and history has shown us that these kind of men will take all they can from the people they control. Sometimes they are finally stopped when the people fight back. Sometimes the people don’t fight back, and they slowly lose their freedoms until it’s too late.

109 posted on 12/24/2012 3:23:53 PM PST by Road Glide
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To: livius

I keep reading about Hinckley, the nut that shot Reagan. He goes home TO DC (I think) for supervision. If you don’t think he’s thinking “evil thoughts” and the pleasure he got from his shoot, then you’re stuck on stupid. Our system is totally nuts !!

110 posted on 12/24/2012 3:26:37 PM PST by Sacajaweau
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To: ContraryMary

Just east of Rochester. I am a 22 year Volunteer Firefighter, one of these Brothers works to help us pump out Basements after Lee last year with the West Webster Pierce Pumper...we could do a basement in 17 he and our other brother are gone. This is a horrifying tragedy of the first order, we now have to worry about sniper fire when responding....all we try to do is mitigate incidents and come home safe...

111 posted on 12/24/2012 5:05:29 PM PST by Shady (Libya shows us how Americans rate...)
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To: wita

Amen. It is my belief that all men of good citizenship and character must know how to safely and effectively operate a firearm. The greatness of America used to be that we need not own one, but be ready to use one if needed. I do, I do not own a firearm but I am a hell of a shot.

112 posted on 12/24/2012 5:11:51 PM PST by Shady (Libya shows us how Americans rate...)
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To: Revelation 911

Organized Crime insurance scam / body disposal bump for later...

113 posted on 12/24/2012 5:17:10 PM PST by indthkr
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To: DTogo


114 posted on 12/24/2012 6:21:34 PM PST by Secret Agent Man (I can neither confirm or deny that; even if I could, I couldn't - it's classified.)
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To: Sacajaweau

I completely agree. The system is utterly nuts, and good, decent people are paying for it with their lives.

115 posted on 12/24/2012 6:53:03 PM PST by livius
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To: FlingWingFlyer

Agree ....

116 posted on 12/24/2012 8:10:29 PM PST by Squantos ( Be polite, be professional, but have a plan to kill everyone you meet ...)
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To: Nepeta

Yes, Webster is a nice “bedroom” community to the city of Rochester. ( No mall or buses) Home of Xerox Manufacturing, on the eastern side.

Lake Road has some of the biggest lakefront homes and some summer homes that have been converted to year around homes in that small strip area at the end of the bay.

117 posted on 12/24/2012 8:49:38 PM PST by 3D-JOY (If there were no United States Armed Forces there would be no United States of America)
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To: rochester_veteran

You really make me want a hamburger at Don and Bob’s!

Maybe a white hot dog at Vic and Irv’s?

118 posted on 12/24/2012 8:53:04 PM PST by 3D-JOY (If there were no United States Armed Forces there would be no United States of America)
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To: tbpiper

This is a special, significant Christmas. What I think you are seeing is Satan throwing a fit because his time is short. Jesus is comming back and sooner than many of us think. If you haven’t done it yet, give Him your heart. Let Him fix it like no one else can.

AMEN. I also feel like there is a significant amount of satanic activity happening lately because Satan understands Jesus will put at end to all of this soon.

119 posted on 12/24/2012 9:02:46 PM PST by Wisconsinlady (The only thing to stop a bad person with a gun, is a good person with a gun.)
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To: rochester_veteran

He murdered her in 1980.

How evil and depraved must one be to murder their own grandmother? She was 92 and defenseless!

Scumbag. There is a place in hell for evil monsters like that.

120 posted on 12/24/2012 9:40:20 PM PST by POWERSBOOTHEFAN (Causing trouble since 1976)
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