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I always seen research that concealed licensees as a population are less likely to committ crime. Either way this article is scary. It wants the fed to stop allowing states to do shall-issue concealed permits even though this had nothing to do with the CT shooting!
1 posted on 12/23/2012 1:53:00 PM PST by GreaterSwiss
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To: GreaterSwiss

Does the NYTimes building have armed guards?


2 posted on 12/23/2012 1:55:00 PM PST by Paladin2
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This is just ridiculous. There’s no evidence that people lawfully carrying a concealed weapon are committing gun crimes. This hysteria is being ginned up by people with an agenda.

Figure out where you might hide your guns.


4 posted on 12/23/2012 1:59:22 PM PST by popdonnelly
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The New Yawk Times is the official newsletter of the Obama regime.


5 posted on 12/23/2012 2:00:40 PM PST by FlingWingFlyer (U.S. elections have become nothing but another cheap ripoff of American Idol.)
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"...and another is not having a severe mental illness"

Also not a restriction for writing oped for the NY Times.

6 posted on 12/23/2012 2:00:57 PM PST by SKI NOW
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To: GreaterSwiss

“Never let a crisis go to waste...”


7 posted on 12/23/2012 2:01:45 PM PST by gaijin
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increased aggravated assaults by “roughly 3 to 5 percent each year.”

So now they've lowered the bar to 'aggravated assaults' ... to make their case that concealed carry should not be allowed, plus all the other restrictive things they want the FEDS to do.

9 posted on 12/23/2012 2:04:03 PM PST by MissMagnolia
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The only data point you need to remember is that CCW holders commit gun crimes at a lower rate than the cops.


10 posted on 12/23/2012 2:05:03 PM PST by G Larry (Which of Obama's policies do you think I'd support if he were white?)
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To: GreaterSwiss
About what we could expect from the self-destructing NY Slimes.

A few days after the tragic Sandy Hook school murders, a young Marine in fatigues stationed himself at the front entrance of the Nashville elementary school his two children attend. Another parent heard him admit to a reporter that he was unarmed. The other parent commented that, even though the young Marine standing guard was not armed, it made him “feel better” to know he was there.

It’s often been observed that “perception is more important than reality”. The observation is often correct. It is never MORE CORRECT than for those we’ve come to call “liberals”. I prefer “statist” but “liberal” has morphed from its classic meaning to the other end of the spectrum so I’ll stay with it.

Since these folks operate almost entirely on EMOTION and FEELING, REALITY seldom allows FACTS to intrude upon the delusional worldview they have constructed and the comfort that provides them. It is that illogical, irrational and delusional mindset that prompts many of them to continue to quest after a Utopian society. The thought that such a society can and will never be achieved in a fallen world populated with failed sinners never penetrates whatever remains of their cognitive consciousness. It’s a DANGEROUS WORLD and, as the liberals continue to “define deviancy down”, it becomes more dangerous daily.

There is another, far more sinister, level of the “liberal” call for gun control.

It was Mencken who offered that “The urge to save humanity is most often a false front for the URGE TO RULE.” He clearly had been a student of the liberal politicians of his day. Were he alive today and able to observe the likes of Chuck Schumer, Diane Feinstein, Obama and the rest, he’d almost certainly have used far stronger language to frame his sage observation.

To conclude, dozens of studies reveal the FACTS concerning gun control. Those FACTS are that where firearms are widely and READILY available to law-abiding citizens, CRIME GOES DOWN! The liberals who willfully ignore the FACTUAL EVIDENCE and continue to call for gun control (i.e. the DISARMING of DECENT CITIZENS, thereby denying them the ability to exercise their God-given right to self-defense) are those about whom Mencken wrote: Their goal is NOT about preserving life. It is about the hell-bent pursuit of the impossible to achieve Utopian world where all are equal but some (that’d be THEM) are MORE equal than others (that’d be US).

There are many PRO-RTKABA videos on You Tube that your often busy lives don’t allow you to find on your own. Search there for “Gun Control”, watch them – and, more importantly – SHARE THEM with the folks in your orbit.

We’re in a fight. And losing will ultimately cost us much more than our right to our guns.

Dick Bachert 12/19/2012

11 posted on 12/23/2012 2:05:25 PM PST by Dick Bachert (An ARMED society is a POLITE society!)
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“Never let a crisis go to waste...”


12 posted on 12/23/2012 2:06:14 PM PST by gaijin
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Nowadays, however, there are several newspapers that require no permit at all to lie, the NY Slimes being the worst offender.

It's BS articles like this that make the Slimes more at home in Moscow than the US.

13 posted on 12/23/2012 2:07:06 PM PST by Feckless (I was trained by the US << This Tagline Censored by FR >> ain't that irOnic?)
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Let the Op Ed idjits of the New Jerk Slimes show us the statistics on the irresponsible use of fire arms by those with concealed carry permits, or the right to carry.

The fact is that its just about the only deterrent these days that keeps society stable.The courts have no deterrent to capital crimes since there are few capital punishment states, sentencing is only a partial deterrent in some forms of crime.

All that stands in the way of wilding these days is the unknown person who9 is armed and who by choice might intervene. LEs are anywhere from 20 minutes to 4 hours away once called.

The 2nd amendment is not transmutable, and as citizens we need to stand by it.Or else this is when the cultural war evolves into a civil war.


14 posted on 12/23/2012 2:07:06 PM PST by Candor7 (Obama fascism article:(http://www.americanthinker.com/2009/05/barack_obama_the_quintessentia_1.html))
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Just curious I suppose...

Was there ever a "mass shooter" or "crazed psycho killer" who also had a legal, up-to-date CCW permit?

Anyone??

Bueller??

Bueller??

15 posted on 12/23/2012 2:07:35 PM PST by China Clipper ( Animals? Sure I like animals. See? There they are, right next to the potatoes!)
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In Utah, holders of permits can now carry concealed guns in elementary schools.

When is the last time we have seen any school shootings in Utah?

The Nazi propaganda minister liked to say that ...”if you tell a lie long enough, loud enough and with enough conviction it becomes truth.” This has been the tactic of the left and in particular Minitrue for a long time.

We seem to have had more and more mass shootings since the advent of “gun free zones”. Any rational person that sees their plan is taking them farther from their goal might just begin to think they just might be going in the wrong direction....


16 posted on 12/23/2012 2:07:55 PM PST by logic101.net (How many children must die on the alter of "gun free zones"?)
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In fact, the legal scholar John Donohue III and others have found that from 1977 to 2006, “shall issue” laws increased aggravated assaults by “roughly 3 to 5 percent each year.”

No "shall issue law" in Chicago for their yearly 500 aggravated murders.

18 posted on 12/23/2012 2:08:25 PM PST by Red Steel
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They are trying to manufacture an excuse to throw out the Constitution and replace it with God knows what.

It does not bode well for our country.


19 posted on 12/23/2012 2:08:37 PM PST by txnativegop (Fed up with zealots)
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Nowadays, however, there are several newspapers that require no permit at all to lie, the NY Slimes being the worst offender.

It's BS articles like this that make the Slimes more at home in Moscow than the US.

20 posted on 12/23/2012 2:09:55 PM PST by Feckless (I was trained by the US << This Tagline Censored by FR >> ain't that irOnic?)
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I can see how NYT would think that liberal/islamic loons being denied self-expression through mass murder would be a scourge.

Personally, I think it’s a scourge that most of the NYT and owners have not been lynched.


21 posted on 12/23/2012 2:10:59 PM PST by Hardraade (http://junipersec.wordpress.com (Vendetta))
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Of course the NYT is against CC. It might threaten their favorite constituents, the feral inner city Amish.


22 posted on 12/23/2012 2:13:56 PM PST by doorgunner69
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Simple question ny time..whats the pre capital crime rate of ny vs say az?


27 posted on 12/23/2012 2:20:00 PM PST by tophat9000 (American is Barack Oaken)
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I always seen research that concealed licensees as a population are less likely to committ crime.

John R. Lott's rebuttal to Donohue’s research can be viewed and downloaded here . One thing I've recently learned is that one of the reasons that the murder rate has been coming down is because of better medical treatment. For many years, I've pointed to the decrease in the murder rate as evidence that the number of firearms in the hands of private citizens is no big deal as well as the effectiveness of concealed carry by citizens (with a permit or not).

Well, someone pointed out that if someone doesn't actually kill you, they are typically charged with some type of "Aggravated Assault". So you have to keep an eye on BOTH of those numbers.

I said all that to say this: Just because the Aggravated Assault number is increasing, that doesn't mean that CHL is not working. By preventing a murder and detaining a bad guy, you might end up having him arrested for Aggravated Assault.

There's no way to say that the good guys with their CHLs are the ones getting arrested for Aggravated Assault. At least not with the data available at hand.

29 posted on 12/23/2012 2:20:13 PM PST by Stegall Tx (Living off your tax dollars can be kinda fun, but not terribly profitable.)
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