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Gun control policy ideas more than just talk
The Los Angeles Times ^ | December 22, 2012 | Melanie Mason, Washington Bureau

Posted on 12/22/2012 6:51:50 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet

Just one day after President Obama tapped Vice President Joe Biden to lead an initiative on gun violence, Jon Adler was at its first meeting, along with Cabinet secretaries and organizations representing law enforcement.

Not much lead time, but no matter: Adler, national president of the Federal Law Enforcement Officers Assn., had a list of policy changes — from legislative to regulatory to "tactical" coordination — at the ready, with granular detail. He cited, chapter and verse, the law that makes it a misdemeanor to knowingly possess a firearm in a school zone. He wanted that upgraded to a felony.

No shortage exists of policy ideas to reduce gun violence. Law enforcement groups, gun-safety advocates and other organizations weighing in on the firearms debate have churned out policy prescriptions for years. Most of the time, the recommendations have simply gathered dust. Now, in light of the Connecticut school shooting, advocates hope some of their proposals may become law.

New York City Mayor Michael R. Bloomberg released a statement with his policy wish list less than an hour after Obama announced the Biden-led talks. In addition to shoring up the criminal background check system and introducing laws to ban assault weapons and large-capacity magazines, Bloomberg detailed immediate actions the president could take. Among them: ordering all federal agencies to send records to the national gun background check database...

(Excerpt) Read more at latimes.com ...


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Front Page News; Government
KEYWORDS: banglist; biden; bloat; bloodoftyrants; bloomberg; democrats; guncontrol; gungrabbers; liberalfascism; obama; secondamendment; youwillnotdisarmus
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That was quick, wasn't it? Almost like they had all this pre-planned.
1 posted on 12/22/2012 6:52:04 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

We still haven’t heard if forensics identified Adam’s fingerprints on anything. For all anyone knows he was just a tool in a larger event.


2 posted on 12/22/2012 6:59:21 PM PST by muawiyah
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

So, I guess the Sandy Hook killer would have thought twice, knowing he could have been charged with a felony. Ridiculous!


3 posted on 12/22/2012 6:59:39 PM PST by AUsome Joy
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

They’re obviously “Preppers” - and preparing for the same eventuality the rest of us are - but doing it from a somewhat different angle . . .


4 posted on 12/22/2012 7:00:11 PM PST by dagogo redux (A whiff of primitive spirits in the air, harbingers of an impending descent into the feral.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
He cited, chapter and verse, the law that makes it a misdemeanor to knowingly possess a firearm in a school zone. He wanted that upgraded to a felony.

Because you just know that the loon planning to murder a bunch of little kids in the school will change his mind once he knows it's a felony to take the gun onto school grounds as opposed to a misdemeanor.

These people are either flaming idiots or they want school shootings to happen more often.

I have a six year old son.

This pisses me off.

5 posted on 12/22/2012 7:03:49 PM PST by Washi (Socialism is Slavery)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

GEORGE COSTANZA
Was that wrong? Should I not have done that? I tell you, I gotta plead ignorance on this thing, because if anyone had said anything to me at all when I first started here that that sort of thing is frowned upon... you know, cause I’ve worked in a lot of offices, and I tell you, people do that all the time.

A felony, you say? Well, had I known ...


6 posted on 12/22/2012 7:07:01 PM PST by ClearCase_guy (Republicans have made themselves useless, toothless, and clueless.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
They probably did have it pre-planned. Left over from Fast & Furious. Obama's gun program where he funneled all those AK47's to the Mexican drug cartels. Then allegedly to set back and wait for the numbers of the dead citizens on both sides of the boarder to mount up causing people to cry out for help. Then allegedly obama, the democrats, and the media would swoop in offering gun control as an answer to end all the carnage. Except the whistle blowers got the word out after our boarder guard was murdered and that put a monkey wrench in obama's plans.




7 posted on 12/22/2012 7:10:39 PM PST by GloriaJane (Pro Choice = Pro Death - Pro Life = Pro LIFE!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Adler should have added that murder be upgraded to a Super Dupper Felony! WOW that’ll stop’em!


8 posted on 12/22/2012 7:14:02 PM PST by TaMoDee ( Lassez les bons temps rouler dans les 2012! Allez Pack!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
"Public Outrage" was supposed to be the result of "Fast & Furious," but the details were leaked too early. So these are just the plans they just put aside until F&F blew over, knowing that the Ministry of Propaganda would hide the governments murderous acts in supplying firearms to the drug cartels.

Mark

9 posted on 12/22/2012 7:15:10 PM PST by MarkL (Do I really look like a guy with a plan?)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Headline?

Biden group agrees..Inalienable rights are religion therefore
Inalienable Rights Are Unconstitutional
"Only human rights granted by government are Constitutional" said Biden. "The entire Constitution is unconstitutional. D'oh!.. I mean . . . ."

10 posted on 12/22/2012 7:15:17 PM PST by WilliamofCarmichael (If modern America's Man on Horseback is out there, Get on the damn horse already!)
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To: Washi

Generate laws so everyone is a criminal. Alinsky or Cloward-Piven, take your pick.


11 posted on 12/22/2012 7:15:30 PM PST by pacpam (action=consequence and applies in all cases - friend of victory)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

It wasn’t until after WWII that the Reichstag Fire was proven to be a fraud. If Hitler had won, nobody would have ever found out. And he had a plan of action- get that Enabling Act passed....


12 posted on 12/22/2012 7:25:50 PM PST by GenXteacher (You have chosen dishonor to avoid war; you shall have war also.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
No rifle of any kind was not used in the shooting.
13 posted on 12/22/2012 7:31:32 PM PST by RedMDer (Please support Toys for Tots this CHRISTmas season.)
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To: AUsome Joy

The purpose of the law is not to protect children, but to make it impossible for ordinary citizens to carry a gun in a regular way. 1,000 foot “school zones overlap in most cities and towns, making it impossible to move about without intersecting a “gun free school zone”. The law was ruled unconstitutional once, and should be repealed.

http://gunwatch.blogspot.com/2012/12/disastrous-gun-law-sparked-school.html


14 posted on 12/22/2012 7:32:19 PM PST by marktwain
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

“That was quick, wasn’t it?”

Did you expect anything else, Patriot ? When the Reichstag burns, one must move quickly.


15 posted on 12/22/2012 7:37:09 PM PST by Absolutely Nobama (The Doomsday Clock is at 11:59:00......tick-tock, tick-tock, tick-tock.....)
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To: RedMDer

You’d think that would be an issue here......But when the Reichstag is burning, there’s no time for common sense.


16 posted on 12/22/2012 7:41:31 PM PST by Absolutely Nobama (The Doomsday Clock is at 11:59:00......tick-tock, tick-tock, tick-tock.....)
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To: muawiyah

False flag, without a doubt. If the Socialistocrats could write the perfect scenario for generating MAXIMUM outrage at guns, gun owners and gun ownership, this was it. Too perfect, if you ask me, all the way down to the destroyed hard drive.. And one month before 0bama’s second term begins, no less. A second term where numerous pundits predicted an 0bama gun grab.. VIOLA!


17 posted on 12/22/2012 8:11:53 PM PST by Obama_Is_Sabotaging_America (IMPEACH OBAMA)
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To: Absolutely Nobama; All

18 posted on 12/22/2012 8:35:57 PM PST by RedMDer (Please support Toys for Tots this CHRISTmas season.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

The gun ban demands of the 1990s ended when 19 Arabs with boxcutters slammed four airplanes into buildings and a field killing 3000 people.

Suddenly those who had no need for a military style rifle found maybe they may just need one after all.

Now the gun control bandwagon is slowly picking up speed again, led by the same fainthearts as the one in 1994.


19 posted on 12/22/2012 8:41:31 PM PST by Ruy Dias de Bivar (REOPEN THE CLOSED MENTAL INSTITUTIONS! Damn the ACLU!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
He cited, chapter and verse, the law that makes it a misdemeanor to knowingly possess a firearm in a school zone. He wanted that upgraded to a felony

How would that have prevented the Newtown massacre or how would it prevent a similar occurrence in the future?

20 posted on 12/22/2012 8:42:32 PM PST by Alaska Wolf (Carry a Gun, It's a Lighter Burden Than Regret)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Gun-free zones killing our kids!


21 posted on 12/22/2012 8:43:13 PM PST by Right Wing Assault (Dick Obama is more inexperienced now than he was before he was elected.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
That was quick, wasn't it? Almost like they had all this pre-planned.

Unlike the stupid party, leftists have EVERYTHING planned.

The scripts are planned well in advance. The media is prepped with talking points. The lefty politicians are prepped. Their sympathizers are all prepped and ready to go when the signal is sent.

Their Sandy Hook shooting response had been ready to go for some time. The theater shooting was not good enough. They needed kids. Perfect! Right before Christmas!

Their Traybon shooting response had been ready to go for some time. They needed a white guy. Someone named Zimmerman was just perfect. Oops! Didn't really want the Hispanic guy they got. Someone messed up and now they're stuck with Zimmerman.

22 posted on 12/22/2012 8:50:49 PM PST by Right Wing Assault (Dick Obama is more inexperienced now than he was before he was elected.)
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To: Right Wing Assault
They needed a white guy.

The Virginia Tech killer was Asian and it is really difficult, from looking at his photo, discerning just exactly what Lanza is. He doesn't look human.

23 posted on 12/22/2012 9:00:00 PM PST by Alaska Wolf (Carry a Gun, It's a Lighter Burden Than Regret)
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To: marktwain

That is what is so maddening. It is obvious that the law wouldn’t work and is for curbing guns from law-abiding citizens. It certainly wouldn’t have stopped the Sandy Hook killer.


24 posted on 12/22/2012 9:06:29 PM PST by AUsome Joy
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To: Alaska Wolf

Where did that photo come from? It looks fake.


25 posted on 12/22/2012 9:07:21 PM PST by Selene
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To: Right Wing Assault

"The Russians don't take a dump without a plan, son"

26 posted on 12/22/2012 9:07:59 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet (I'll raise $2million for Sarah Palin's presidential run. What'll you do?)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
The hard drive was destroyed. Might be impossible to find who he was chatting with? Funny there was another school mass shooting in Okla. that didn't go off as planned. Just a coincidence.
27 posted on 12/22/2012 9:09:55 PM PST by Lockbar (Quality factory loaded ammunition ---- The New Gold)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
The tactical reactions to their gun confiscation acts should be immediate, multiple and and massive.

It will be a Ft. Sumter moment.

28 posted on 12/22/2012 9:12:48 PM PST by jonascord (Hurrah for the Bonnie Blue Flag that bears a Single Star!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
"Adler, national president of the Federal Law Enforcement Officers Assn....the law that makes it a misdemeanor to knowingly possess a firearm in a school zone. He wanted that upgraded to a felony."

Make the law, and charge Adam with a felony! That would save the kids that he murdered.

[Little irony and sarcasm there.]


29 posted on 12/22/2012 9:13:22 PM PST by familyop (We Baby Boomers are croaking in an avalanche of rotten politics smelled around the planet.)
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To: Selene
Where did that photo come from? It looks fake.

Which photo?

30 posted on 12/22/2012 9:16:24 PM PST by Alaska Wolf (Carry a Gun, It's a Lighter Burden Than Regret)
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To: RedMDer

You know it, Patriot!

I will NOT comply.


31 posted on 12/22/2012 9:21:08 PM PST by Absolutely Nobama (The Doomsday Clock is at 11:59:00......tick-tock, tick-tock, tick-tock.....)
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To: Alaska Wolf; Selene

I’m guessing the photo in question is the one where the shooter’s head looks like a skull - wided eyed and very narrow mouth and chin, and very grainy black & white.


32 posted on 12/22/2012 9:26:13 PM PST by 21twelve (So I [God] gave them over to their stubborn hearts to follow their own devices. Psalm 81:12)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

“He cited, chapter and verse, the law that makes it a misdemeanor to knowingly possess a firearm in a school zone. He wanted that upgraded to a felony. “

Yeah, that’ll fix the problem.


33 posted on 12/22/2012 9:30:31 PM PST by headstamp 2 (What would Scooby do?)
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To: 21twelve; Alaska Wolf

“where the shooter’s head looks like a skull”

Yes, that one.


34 posted on 12/22/2012 9:32:49 PM PST by Selene
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To: 21twelve; Selene
There are plenty of color photos of the murderous freak at Google photos.
35 posted on 12/22/2012 9:40:14 PM PST by Alaska Wolf (Carry a Gun, It's a Lighter Burden Than Regret)
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To: TaMoDee

Is that like double secret probation?


36 posted on 12/22/2012 10:09:04 PM PST by ponygirl (Be Breitbart.)
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To: Right Wing Assault

I have come to the conclusion there are no coincidences, none. This screwball was being coached or mind-controlled by the Soros gang. They failed at Fast and Furiious and they killed 20 innocent kids to push their Communist disarming agenda. It’s a means to an end, no God, no morals, no love of anything but unadulterated power.

Power to a Marxist is the only thing that matters, because no would ask to be poor, restricted in movement, no opportunity for a business and shoddy healthcare voluntarily.

These maggots adore Satan, and are using the Islamists as their soldiers along with their willing American and European Socialists/media who push the lie. Over and over. Gun control is to enable their long-term goals, not for safety, just the opposite.

I weep for those Newtown families. You can see that the Left has no conscience or soul, they will murder kids to gain power.

I just hope others can see this, too.


37 posted on 12/22/2012 11:13:12 PM PST by wac3rd (Somewhere in Hell, Ted Kennedy snickers....)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
...the law that makes it a misdemeanor to knowingly possess a firearm in a school zone. He wanted that upgraded to a felony.

And of course that makes anyone driving past a school with signs "School Zone, speed limit 15 MPH" an automatic felon - or are we to trust they won't keep pushing the limits until we are helpless before them?

This area has no room for "compromise". The people we are dealing with are like Obozo "compromising" with Bonehead over the fiscal 'cliff" - they will accept nothing but total surrender and we must burn all the white flags...

38 posted on 12/23/2012 4:27:12 AM PST by trebb (Allies no longer trust us. Enemies no longer fear us.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
"The Russians don't take a dump without a plan, son"

Perfect.

Ditto for our home-grown Media/Leftist Complex.

39 posted on 12/23/2012 4:54:24 AM PST by Right Wing Assault (Dick Obama is more inexperienced now than he was before he was elected.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
"...But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security."
40 posted on 12/23/2012 6:30:49 AM PST by DTogo (High time to bring back The Sons of Liberty !!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I am predicting this spring there will be a 5 million strong fully armed Tea Party gathering in Washington DC.

obama will call out the military in fear.


41 posted on 12/23/2012 6:34:52 AM PST by Eye of Unk (A Civil Cold War in America is here, its already been declared.)
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To: RedMDer
No rifle of any kind was not used in the shooting.

An AR-15 was used exclusively. I don't know if this fits your definition of rifle but it is what he used.

42 posted on 12/23/2012 6:43:01 AM PST by Drew68
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To: Ruy Dias de Bivar
I will be one of the very first to point out that the folks pushing gun control this time actually prefer that our youngest most innocent children just huddle with fear in the corner of the classroom while the madman shoots them one by one.

If you ever suspected the anti-gun nuts were truly mentally ill, here it is ~ their reaction to the NRA proposal proves it.

We can no longer afford to treat them as if they are normal humans ~ they aren't! They are just like Holmes, Hassan, and all the other schizophrenics and crazoids who like to ambush unarmed people.

43 posted on 12/23/2012 7:19:31 AM PST by muawiyah
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To: Drew68

It was found in the car. Not in the school.


44 posted on 12/23/2012 12:37:14 PM PST by RedMDer (Please support Toys for Tots this CHRISTmas season.)
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To: RedMDer
It was found in the car. Not in the school.

Nope. It was a shotgun found in the trunk of the car as this video clearly shows:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wLrxSgkqJQc

That's no AR-15.

The medical examiner also says the children were killed by .223 rounds. And the number of rounds fired attest to this. And, sadly, common sense also points to using the AR-15. Lanza was crazy but he wasn't stupid. If you were a deranged madman set on killing as many people as possible, would you leave your most effective weapon behind in the trunk of your car?

As much as I wish he didn't use an "assault" rifle, fact is he did. Denying this and/or trying to make this into some kind of conspriracy doesn't change things. Lanza used an AR-15 because he had one and because he wanted to kill everybody.

45 posted on 12/23/2012 12:57:14 PM PST by Drew68
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To: Drew68
That is not an AR-15. I reviewed that part several times and the picture is too blurry to narrow down what type of weapon that is. It doesn't look like a shotgun.
I haven't seen anything that points to an AR-15 being found in the school. Only a mention of spent .223 rounds. My thought was some type of weapons that are easier to conceal on approach to the school.
46 posted on 12/23/2012 3:23:14 PM PST by RedMDer (Please support Toys for Tots this CHRISTmas season.)
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To: Drew68

Maybe something like this:

http://www.basspro.com/Beretta-reg-U22-Neos-22LR-Pistol/product/10217948/?URL=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.basspro.com%2FBeretta-reg-U22-Neos-22LR-Pistol%2Fproduct%2F10217948%2F39102


47 posted on 12/23/2012 3:36:20 PM PST by RedMDer (Please support Toys for Tots this CHRISTmas season.)
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To: RedMDer
I haven't seen anything that points to an AR-15 being found in the school.

Have you looked? It's all over the news. Lanza forced his way into the school with an AR-15, a Glock 10mm and a Sig Sauer 9mm. He killed the children with the AR-15 and shot himself with one of the handguns. The police have not released what handgun he used. The police found a shotgun in the trunk but have not released the details of make and model. In time, the police will release all the details of this crime.

I'm not making this stuff up.

Maybe something like this:

Lanza didn't use a Beretta .22LR. You seem to have issues accepting the truth?

48 posted on 12/23/2012 5:17:45 PM PST by Drew68
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To: RedMDer

The AR15 is not an assault rifle, and the universally identified “Bushmaster .223” used is basically an AR15.


49 posted on 12/23/2012 5:28:23 PM PST by jjotto ("Ya could look it up!")
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To: GloriaJane
Ditto's!
50 posted on 12/23/2012 5:43:47 PM PST by vox_freedom (America is being tested as never before in its history. May God help us.)
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