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1 posted on 12/21/2012 9:28:09 AM PST by Red Steel
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To: Red Steel
Armed union thugs in the school?

We know how unions work, so how many union workers will be
needed to fill each position?

This sounds like a screwing in a light bulb joke.

30 posted on 12/21/2012 10:04:17 AM PST by MaxMax
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Wayne just got me to renew my and my wife’s membership for another 3 years.

LLS


34 posted on 12/21/2012 10:14:20 AM PST by LibLieSlayer (A child is born in Bethlehem KING of KINGS)
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We don’t have a gun problem. We have a crazy person problem. If they can’t use guns, they will find another way to mass murder.


35 posted on 12/21/2012 10:15:10 AM PST by ex-snook (without forgiveness there is no Christianity)
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Solutions that make sense and would work - to Democrats this is akin to showing a cross to a vampire.

Remember when Clinton was lauded for putting 100,000 cops on the streets. 25 years later and putting more cops out there is "reckless", according to the Laut.

Sen. Frank Lautenberg, D-N.J., in a statement after the press conference, called LaPierre's plan "reckless."

"It is beyond belief that following the Newtown tragedy, the National Rifle Association's leaders want to fill our communities with guns and arm more Americans," he said.

38 posted on 12/21/2012 10:20:41 AM PST by randita
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Sorry but we’re being played on this.

The solution is not another armed union leo (local, TSA, whatever) at the government school. Who everyone would know to look for and take out first.

The solution is an unknown number of CCW teachers and administrators that few know about and would not telegraph to anyone they were the targets to eliminate.


42 posted on 12/21/2012 10:23:10 AM PST by Secret Agent Man (I can neither confirm or deny that; even if I could, I couldn't - it's classified.)
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Arm the teachers! Reopen the mental wards!


43 posted on 12/21/2012 10:24:53 AM PST by Ruy Dias de Bivar (REOPEN THE CLOSED MENTAL INSTITUTIONS! Damn the ACLU!)
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Excellent.

Even if every single school can't afford a guard (it of course shouldn't be a national program but a local one), the talk alone is a deterrent to gun violence.

This is exacly the way the dialogue should go.

44 posted on 12/21/2012 10:26:25 AM PST by what's up
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No one but the left is opposing this idea. The only conclusion is that the left WANTS more mass shootings, so they can “justify” grabbing guns out of the hands of honest, law-abiding citizens and deliberately leaving them in the hands of criminals.


46 posted on 12/21/2012 10:27:21 AM PST by I want the USA back
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To: Red Steel; cripplecreek; Carry_Okie
America's Founders viewed education as a primary means of preserving liberty, and wrote extensively about that goal and the means to achieve it in the community.

Once the so-called "public school" movement was under way, there were those who warned of potential dangers, and were either ignored or ostracized.

It is the same today. Those who speak out against the Dept. of Education and all of the other multitudinous bureaucracies that control the propagandizing of youth today in the name of "educating" them must be willing to be marginalized by the media and politicians.

Even as early as the Year 1886, such was the case. A man by the name of Zacharias Montgomery was denied an important post in the federal government for doing just that. You will read some of his words below. Read his complete work entitled, "Poison Drops in the Federal Senate - The School Question from a Parental and Non-Sectarian Standpoint" HERE. He provides statistics and documentation from public records to that date to support his position.

To read his report and conclusions leads one to realize this man's ability to see the consequences of what his fellow Americans were advocating in the area of education of youth.

With that said, those who love liberty must be willing to come forward to declare that it is better to be remembered for standing on and articulating enduring principles of right versus wrong, liberty versus tyranny, than to be praised by the mainstream media and so-called "progressives."

The words of Zacharias Montgomery in his 1886 Book entitled "Poison Drops in the United States Senate . . . ." are worth reading. Although his treatise dealt primarily with the public school question, the following remarks might be helpful to those who, today, are concerned by what passes for "public education."

Excerpts from his work:

"My countrymen, disguise the fact as we may, there is in this country to-day, and in both the political Parties, an element which is ripe for a centralized despotism. There are men and corporations of vast wealth, whose iron grasp spans this whole continent, and who find it more difficult and more expensive to corrupt thirty odd State Legislatures than one Federal Congress. It was said of Nero of old that he wished the Roman people had but one head, so that he might cut it off at a single blow. And so it is with those moneyed kings who would rule this country through bribery, fraud, and intimidation.

"It is easy to see how, with all the powers of government centered at Washington in one Federal head, they could at a single stroke put an end to American liberty.

"But they well understand that before striking this blow the minds of the people must be prepared to receive it. And what surer or safer preparation could possibly be made than is now being made, by indoctrinating the minds of the rising generation with the idea that ours is already a consolidated government ; that the States of the Union have no sovereignty which is not subordinate to the will and pleasure of the Federal head, and that our Constitution is the mere creature of custom, and may therefore be legally altered or abolished by custom.

"Such are a few of the pernicious and poisonous doctrines which ten millions of American children are today drinking in with the very definitions of the words they are compelled to study. And yet the man who dares to utter a word of warning of the approaching danger is stigmatized as an enemy to education and unfit to be men tioned as a candidate for the humblest office.

"Be it so. Viewing this great question as I do, not for all the offices in the gift of the American people would I shrink from an open and candid avowal of my sentiments. If I have learned anything from the reading of history, it is that the man who, in violation of great principles, toils for temporary fame, purchases for himself either total oblivion or eternal infamy, while he who temporarily goes down battling for right principles always deserves, and generally secures, the gratitude of succeeding ages, and will carry with him the sustaining solace of a clean conscience, more precious than all the offices and honors in the gift of man.

"History tells us that Aristides was voted into banishment because he was just. Yet who would not a thousand times rather today be Aristides than be numbered amongst the proudest of his persecutors.

"Socrates, too, in violation of every principle of justice, was con demned to a dungeon and to death. Yet what name is more honored in history than his? And which of his unjust judges would not gladly, hide himself in the utter darkness of oblivion from the with ering scorn and contempt of all mankind ?

"From the noble example of Aristides and of Socrates let American statesmen learn wisdom, and from the undying infamy of their cow ardly time-serving persecutors let political demagogues of today take warning."

So said Zacharias Montgomery in 1886.

47 posted on 12/21/2012 10:28:16 AM PST by loveliberty2 ( -)
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Nicely played by LaPierre, though I do disagree about the video games. I believe they might help an already sick person be slightly more successful at one of these shootings, they don’t cause them or even make them any more likely.

But...an armed guard in every school with a pump shotgun or a semi-auto pistol that won’t penetrate walls too easily...Absolutely!


50 posted on 12/21/2012 10:31:08 AM PST by Mr. Silverback (I want a hippopotamus for Christmas! Only a hippopotamus will do!)
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"Armed officers".

Why not just armed carry permit holders who already work there? :-/

52 posted on 12/21/2012 10:40:11 AM PST by Dead Corpse (I will not comply.)
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I was with him until he started talking about putting a cop in every school. No.


57 posted on 12/21/2012 10:54:08 AM PST by Behind the Blue Wall
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Great speech, Wayne.


58 posted on 12/21/2012 10:59:06 AM PST by familyop (We Baby Boomers are croaking in an avalanche of rotten politics smelled around the planet.)
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59 posted on 12/21/2012 11:02:33 AM PST by MtnMan101
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Additional school employees all across the country. You would think this would be a teachers’ union wet dream.


60 posted on 12/21/2012 11:09:21 AM PST by hattend (Firearms and ammunition...the only growing industries under the Obama regime.)
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LaPierre has obviously drank the knee-jerk Kool Aid whereby Americans demand that everyone be 100% safe in every single circumstance, all the time, without exception.

It would have been better for him to at least point out that 99%+ of the time, on every (school) day, millions of kids attend 125,000 schools across the country and DO NOT get shot or killed.

Even worse, he blamed movies, music & video games. I look forward to the coming coalition with Tipper Gore...

61 posted on 12/21/2012 11:09:59 AM PST by gdani
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Putting multiple armed guards in every school would be prohibitively expensive and is unnecessary.Putting a single armed guard in every school would be less prohibitively expensive, but only less. The answer is to more rigorously apply the 2Amd. There is no excuse for any "gun-free zone" with the possible exception of Courthouses, jails, and legislative assemblies. Do insist that teachers and staff of schools be required to attend classes in safe handgun carry and use. They do not have to even participate in the class, only attend if they profess that their consciences prohibit them from carrying or even touching a gun. Then make it public knowledge that teachers and staff are permitted to be armed.

A single armed guard presents an attacker with an easily soluble problem that is, shoot the guard first. No one will know the intentions of the visitor until that first shot. After that the gun-free zone is also a free-fire zone just as if there were no guard, If the teachers and staff may be armed, then the killer no longer has a safe path to realizing his fantasy of making a big splash with his murderous final "statement" be he schizo or jihadist. One theme common to all these incidents is that the killer wants to go out in a blaze of glory, to have a publicized effect on the world. Well, the jihadist just wants to kill a lot of infidels before he dies. But if the killer thinks he will probably get himself killed before he can make his statement he will not do the deed or he will seek another stage for his drama.

66 posted on 12/21/2012 11:33:49 AM PST by arthurus (Read Hazlitt's Economics In One Lesson ONLINE www.fee.org/library/books/economics-in-one-lesson)
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I'll be the first to say that in the past I've really hated the NRA and Wayne LaPierre in particular. To me, it seemed that all they were doing was doing whatever they could to "slow down" gun control, meaning they were negotiating away our second amendment rights.

Today Wayne LaPierre and the NRA did the exact OPPOSITE of what I thought they'd do and I'm pleasantly surprised at the strong stand they're taking.

It should be obvious to anyone with a functioning brain that "gun free zones" are really nothing more than KILLING FIELDS for those who want to do harm. I really like their upping the ante and saying if they (the politicians) really want to protect our children that there'd be armed security guards in each one.

If banks can protect money, and these worthless politicians - all the way up to Obama - can have ARMED security guards protecting them, then why aren't our CHILDREN as equally protected?!

Surely our children are worth more than "money" and this POC that sits in the White House!

As for me, I'm going to the next school board meeting and demanding they hire armed security guards in each school. Yes, I know my property taxes will go up some to provide them, but I cannot think of a better investment to protect my kids!

One last thing: After the Sandy Hook shootings last week, I sat both my teenage sons down and instructed them that should their school ever go on lockdown, they are to throw watever they have to through their classroom window, smash it, and get out of the building and run for their lives.

No F'ing way in HELL I ever want my kids to wait for a gunman to kill them because their school went on "lockdown." Whoever thought of this "lockdown" bullshit should have to go through it themselves with a gunman loose in their school. Perhaps they'd realize how WORTHLESS "lockdown" is~!!!!!

70 posted on 12/21/2012 11:48:13 AM PST by usconservative (When The Ballot Box No Longer Counts, The Ammunition Box Does. (What's In Your Ammo Box?))
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Since Wayne LaPierre came up with the idea, it will be rejected by most public educators.

However all our public high and junior high schools have unarmed officers in them already. All they need to do is arm them.


77 posted on 12/21/2012 12:37:55 PM PST by Uncle Chip
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LaPierre knows how to tell the left to shove it. He knocks them down like clay pigeons at the range. One of these days, I’d like to see him whip out a gun and start making reporters dance.


84 posted on 12/21/2012 3:30:48 PM PST by VRWC For Truth (Roberts has perverted the Constitution)
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