Skip to comments.EXCLUSIVE: Fear of being committed may have caused Connecticut gunman to snap
Posted on 12/18/2012 2:34:55 PM PST by servo1969
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So a sane mind did it. Gotcha!
and his mother who aided and abetted by failing to secure her weapons from her dangerous son.
What you *think* doesn't make it fact. A sane person would have facts before they accuse the dead who can't defend themselves.
The quality of care and some designer anti psychotics might be getting better but laws and rules and regs make it harder to "cure' or even "normalize' a patient for a number of reason i couldn't discuss without a huge post, pages long. So, I'll quit. There's much more just to that story I didn't post. but really , oh I better stop. There's ways to help patients, but as stated above, it'll never happen because of the laws, sacred bleeding hearts clubs and good filthy sick lawyers.
something else,,, his Mom was said to have ‘never left him alone in a room’....
Yet the day before the killings, he may have driven to the school by himself and had an ‘altercation’ with staff?
Mom was trying to get him committed. Did she leave him alone some days to go talk to lawyers, etc? Or did she
have a ‘babysitter’ those days?
Mom also went to a local bar and talked with a friend at times, so was he left alone during these times (unless there is a regular ‘babysitter’.).
Who else ‘helped’ her with her son?
I’m thinking the mom had a friend at the school who was the counselor and may have been helping her (or giving advice) about Adam. Thus, the ‘altercation’. I think I read, somewhere, someone thought the counselor at that particular school may have been ‘treating’ him....but I could be wrong. So much misinformation.
Got it. Sorry to hear of it. I didn't mean to make light of their difficulties.
My sister was a cop.Good shot too.When she went off her target was me.I tried to have her committed.She could talk her way out of anything-very intelligent and had 12 personalities.Doctor’s loved her for case study.She would show up at my house unannounced and be nice for 5 minutes,then threaten my kids and me and I would call the cops.She died mentaly ill and we were with her at her deathbed.She told me she had a dream that Mom and Dad were taking her to a new home.God bless Them.
>> During the last decade, where was the “father”?
Apparently, not his problem. /s
How in the world did you come up with that.
You don't know that!
Lame excuses do not absolve one of responsibility.
Lame talk does not absolve one of spreading gossip.
>> It wasnt Aspergers. It was Adam Lanza who made the decision, and his mother who aided and abetted by failing
More wrong than right in that statement.
Asperger’s is a psychiatric disorder. The kid was nuts.
To abet is to encourage a crime. Do you really think the mother intended this outcome?
No comment about the father?
thats as good an excuse as any other ones the libs are trying to make...
...his Mom was said to have never left him alone in a room....
Yet the day before the killings, he may have driven to the school by himself and had an altercation with staff?
I’m still waiting to hear from the coroner on her appx time of death. Maybe she was dead long before he went to the school.
I still cant figure out why she would take him to a shooting range. Just sounds a bit extreme to be teaching those skills to a kid like this.
Do we know this for sure? That she did this?
No worries & thank you...mental illness is so difficult to understand because at first we just thought he was typical moody, few friends & withdrawn..as he got older & gets older, it’s getting worse & I fear for my parents. I hear so many stories about incidents gone so horribly wrong & think “that could be my brother” I’m not trying to be melodramatic but there’s something seriously wrong with my brother..I can only hope & pray that he never hurts anyone or himself. Yes, he’s weird & sees the world differently than you & I. I definitely wouldn’t consider him eccentric. If anything, he’s the opposite of that.$
No, we don’t know for sure that she took him to the shooting range. There were some quotes from people about the brothers at some younger age learning to shoot and those quotes got twisted around. One range owner is quoted a saying he didn’t know her or him and the FBI searched for them on the sign in sheets for way back in time and didn’t find them.
I posted here about that “uncle”. Those stories were pulled, it now appears that the “uncle” was a scammer.
He had to have been making some threats and other way-out-there utterances to force his mother to arrange for commitment. I don’t think one can forcibly be committed unless they are a threat or make threats to themselves or others.
Wait a minute! The plot thickens. Has this been confirmed, yet?
For some reason, the date (May 6, 2009) in the article you posted jumped out at me. Maybe I've come down with a case of ODS. This drug was initially turned down by the FDA, but then resubmitted for approval in November, 2008. There is a significance to both of these dates, no?
In March, 2009, President Obama appointed Dr. Margaret Hamburg as FDA Commissioner. (Prior to this, from '05-09, she was a senior scientist at the Nuclear Threat Initiative, a foundation dedicated to reducing the threat to public safety from nuclear, chemical, and biological weapons. IOW, surely she was a lib.)
Is this a case similar to Solyndra, only much worse since it involves the loss of innocent lives instead of a few, measly hundred million dollars?! The Obama Administration approves something (for what benefit we'll never know - maybe we should look at Vanda's political contributions) that was previously turned down.
Yeah, I know I'm grasping at straws. But we all know if the shoe was on the other foot, the media would be having a field day blaming a Republican Admin. Maybe that's why they're so vociferous in focusing on the guns and not the psychotropic medication.
I’m still not understanding why someone who “snaps”, destroys their computer hard drive first. I just find that very, very odd,.
“I would suspect that his father wanted him committed over a decade ago...and the mother just wouldnt agree to that. Just my humble opinion....but you cant live in a house like that for years and years.”
They had only been apart for 3+ years (divorced since 2009).
It’s possible the ex-husband saw things deteriorating, and had disagreements with Nancy Lanza about what to do with Adam.
Looks like he might have had an “office romance” at the same time and decided to split from the wife for someone probably younger.
It’s interesting (as per a news article) that the bodies of Nancy and Adam Lanza remain unclaimed (after the other bodies of the victims have been claimed by relatives).
Also interesting that I’ve seen little revealed from the interviews that police and investigators have had with the ex-husband and the brother...
“Whatever measures she may have taken, they were absolutely inadequate. A good gun safe cannot be broken into or picked by a young video game playing psychotic med taking doofus.”
Just wondering... what -is- necessary to get into a “good gun safe”?
A key, and combination, or....?
I’m sensing that the mother did in fact maintain a gun safe, and kept all (or most) of her weapons secured, at least most of the time.
But, for the purposes of “home defense”, how quickly can those stored weapons be accessed in a moment of extreme need?
Perhaps she chose to keep at lease one of them nearby, thinking at night. Perhaps he used that one against her, then discovered the combination, etc.
Usually the good ones have a combo lock. The really good ones have an electronic combo lock that cannot be ‘brute forced’ (trying every combo) open.
For the purpose of home defense (I have timed myself) I can get my gun safe open in less than a minute.
If she needed a ‘night time’ gun - she should have opened the safe and got it out to keep in her locked bedroom during the night - then locked it back up in the safe in her locked bedroom during the day.
My point is that whatever measures she took to keep her firearms out of the hands of a son she knew was going psycho - those measures were inadequate.
She had a responsibility. She failed in that responsibility and paid for it with her life - a lot of other people paid for it with their lives as well.
“this is a case of irresponsibility. He tried to buy a gun but failed (Dicks actually followed the law - though now they are halting sales of similar firearms, folding to the Marxists), but his mom was an accomplice to his acts.”
I believe that as more comes out, over time the pieces of the puzzle will come together which will reveal the mother’s judgment to be the “weak link” in this chain of events.
- her training the boy in the handling of weapons, even when she knew he had serious developmental problems that could impair his judgment and motivations about the use of such weapons. She probably thought it would build up character and instill responsibility — in reality, it taught him the mechanics of operation that facilitated his eventual explosive behavior.
- her failure to act soon enough when she saw the boy’s condition deteriorating. She knew she was “losing him”, as she used those words to an acquaintance. But she postponed the inevitable. Understandable, considering she was his mother and no doubt cared for him, but still a mistake.
- her failure (once she realized he was growing worse) to remove him from access to her firearms (locking them up in the house wasn’t enough — she probably needed to get them off the premises completely).
I don’t think of her as an accomplice, but rather as a tragic [unwilling and unwitting] accessory.
Yet without the missteps of his mother, this would not have happened.
“Do you propose she should have moved her guns off the premesis? Or just not bothered with any security measures at all - becuase hypothetically any security measure can be eventually overcome?”
I think that would have been a prudent move and perhaps the only one that would have prevented him from gaining access to the weapons at home.
I wouldn’t be surprised if some kind of legislation might be passed (either at federal or state levels) that mandates certain procedures by gun owners when a family member (or other occupant of the household) is having psychological problems or is taking certain types of medications. Not sure of how such “procedures” might go, but might involve reporting of illness and the mandatory securing of weapons, either on-premesis or more likely “off-premesis”.
Since both the Republicans and the N.R.A. seem to be “on the run” at the moment (essentially having little to offer except “compromise”), proposing some kind of “alternative law” with measures as I’ve outlined above would be preferable to a re-instatement of the assault weapons “ban”, or the enactment of legislation considerably more restrictive than that was.
THe latest I heard tonight (12-19) is that the mom was away at a resort in NH 4 hours away by car, for two days before her murder and the school massacre.
If the kid had genius aspects, two days alone contemplating being committed to a mental institution might have been two days alone figuring out how to crack open a gun safe.
At this time, I don’t know if the guns were left out, or were “secured” in a safe. But a 20 year old, very crazy, very bright guy, might have spent two days cracking open the safe with drills, saws, crowbars, etc.
We’ll find out in a little while.