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EXCLUSIVE: Fear of being committed may have caused Connecticut gunman to snap
FoxNews.com ^ | 12-18-2012 | Jana Winter

Posted on 12/18/2012 2:34:55 PM PST by servo1969

“From what I've been told, Adam was aware of her petitioning the court for conservatorship and (her) plans to have him committed," Flashman told FoxNews.com. "Adam was apparently very upset about this. He thought she just wanted to send him away. From what I understand, he was really, really angry. I think this could have been it, what set him off.”

A senior law enforcement official involved in the investigation confirmed that Lanza's anger at his mother over plans for “his future mental health treatment” is being looked at as a possible motive for the deadly shooting.

Flashman was told Nancy Lanza had begun filing paperwork to get conservatorship over her troubled son, but that could not be confirmed because a court official told FoxNews.com such records are sealed. The move would have been necessary for her to gain the legal right to commit an adult to a hospital or psychiatric facility against his will. A competency hearing had not yet been held.

Adam Lanza attended the Sandy Hook School as a boy, according to Flashman, who said Nancy Lanza had volunteered there for several years. Two law enforcement sources said they believed Nancy Lanza had been volunteering with kindergartners at the school. Most of Lanza's victims were first graders sources believe Nancy Lanza may have worked with last year.

Flashman said Nancy Lanza was also good friends with the school’s principal and psychologist—both of whom were killed in the shooting rampage.

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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Front Page News; News/Current Events; US: Connecticut
KEYWORDS: 2012; banglist; fanapt; gunman; lanza; mentalhealth; mentalillness; newtown; sandy; sandyhook
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1 posted on 12/18/2012 2:34:58 PM PST by servo1969
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To: servo1969

And here I thought Flashman kicked the bucket about 100 years ago.

The old boy is amazing!


2 posted on 12/18/2012 2:38:13 PM PST by Sherman Logan
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To: servo1969

I’ve known of firearms enthusiasts who have committed suicide rather than be served a mental health committment and therefore banned from possession.


3 posted on 12/18/2012 2:39:07 PM PST by lightman (If the Patriarchate of the East held a state like the Vatican I would apply for political asylum.)
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To: servo1969

Let us see if Fox is the sole outlet for this possible motive...


4 posted on 12/18/2012 2:39:19 PM PST by ButThreeLeftsDo (FR: Now, More Than Ever.)
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To: servo1969

Very plausible scenario


5 posted on 12/18/2012 2:40:19 PM PST by GlockThe Vote (The Obama Adminstration: 2nd wave of attacks on America after 9/11)
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To: servo1969

We need to send congratulations, along with Christmas cards to the ACLU in honor of their murderous stupidity over denying this mother a way of easily committing her son.


6 posted on 12/18/2012 2:40:41 PM PST by Amberdawn
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To: servo1969
Common sense apparently isn't that common.

If you have someone in your house on anti psychotic meds, and you think they really need to be committed.

LOCK UP YOUR GUNS.

A good gun safe is not that expensive.

7 posted on 12/18/2012 2:41:01 PM PST by allmendream (Tea Party did not send GOP to D.C. to negotiate the terms of our surrender to socialism)
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To: onyx; DTogo; maggief; penelopesire; thouworm

More at the link- this begins to put the pieces together.


8 posted on 12/18/2012 2:42:03 PM PST by SE Mom (Proud mom of an Iraq war combat vet)
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To: servo1969

Who is Flashman?


9 posted on 12/18/2012 2:42:34 PM PST by sarasota
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To: servo1969

See, what we need to do is not commit people and they won’t have this fear and won’t go nuts.

Of course they are already nuts


10 posted on 12/18/2012 2:43:34 PM PST by GeronL (http://asspos.blogspot.com)
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To: allmendream

Its possible the mother had the weapons locked up..since he was trying to purchase another gun but was refused since there was a 48 hour background check wait and he didnt want to wait. Its possible that the day of the shooting he somehow was able to break the lock or figure out the pass code to get them..otherwise why did he try to purchase another gun


11 posted on 12/18/2012 2:43:49 PM PST by Sarah Barracuda
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bkmk


12 posted on 12/18/2012 2:44:18 PM PST by Ruy Dias de Bivar (Reopen the mental institutions! Damn the ACLU!)
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To: servo1969
This must be what they found on his person...what they referred to early on as something that goes to "motive"....some type of info relating to committal.

So was he on Meds?? Seeing a pysciatrist?

He did this in lieu of committal?

Sounds like preventable considering he was at the school the day before. LE should have definitely been notified. Maybe the court was asking the school for records.

Of course he did the crime....but we have to look at our system and LISTEN to parents as real people....

13 posted on 12/18/2012 2:45:13 PM PST by Sacajaweau
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To: servo1969

I read she was trying to get him into college to study engineering and was willing to move with him. So many different stories. I doubt we’ll never know the truth.


14 posted on 12/18/2012 2:46:01 PM PST by ilovesarah2012
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To: sarasota

Good question. I haven’t a clue.


15 posted on 12/18/2012 2:47:19 PM PST by Lurkina.n.Learnin (Superciliousness is the essence of Obama)
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To: All

More here:

http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2012/12/18/Plumber-Sandy-Hook-Murderer-Spent-Hours-In-Windowless-Basement-Playing-Violent-Video-Games

Adam Lanza, the shooter who massacred 20 children and six adults last Friday at Sandy Hook Elementary School, spent hours in the windowless basement of his home playing violent video games like “Call of Duty” and obsessing over “guns and military equipment.”

Peter Wlasuk, a plumber who worked at the Lanza home, told The Sun that Lanza “lived in the basement” and he found it “strange.”

“He had a proper set up down there — computers, a bathroom, bed and desk and a TV,” Wlasuk said. “There were no windows.”

Wlasuk said he went down to the basement on numerous occasions while doing work at Lanza’s home and said Lanza also had a “huge poster with every tank ever made” and another one with “every piece of military equipment the U.S. ever made.” He said the Lanza brothers could tell “you about guns they had never seen from the 40s, 50s and 60s.”

Lanza was suspected of being mentally ill and may have had Asperger’s. His high school assigned him to a counselor because they feared he may harm himself but not others.

According to reports, Lanza’s mother was a “a gun enthusiast who owned at least five weapons” and “took her younger son to a local firing range just days before the rampage.”

A family friend told NBC that Lanza’s mother said she wanted to introduce Adam to guns to teach him a “sense of responsibility.”

“Guns require a lot of respect and she really tried to instill that,” the friend said. “And he took to it. He loved being careful with them. He made it a source of pride.”


16 posted on 12/18/2012 2:47:22 PM PST by SE Mom (Proud mom of an Iraq war combat vet)
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To: GlockThe Vote

It makes sense if he was jealous of his mother’s working with the kindergarteners.


17 posted on 12/18/2012 2:48:18 PM PST by Moonman62 (The US has become a government with a country, rather than a country with a government.)
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To: servo1969

That bass turd psycho didn’t just snap, he planned to kill! Where the hell was his “father”?


18 posted on 12/18/2012 2:48:18 PM PST by Alaska Wolf (Carry a Gun, It's a Lighter Burden Than Regret)
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To: Sarah Barracuda

It’s possible the school principle and councilor
were influencing his mother to try and get him help
and this is why he killed them.

We won’t know for a long time.
That will not stop the forces of liberalism from
using this as an excuse to disarm the rest of us.


19 posted on 12/18/2012 2:49:04 PM PST by tet68 ( " We would not die in that man's company, that fears his fellowship to die with us...." Henry V.)
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To: servo1969

Sounds like a great excuse to stop talking about mental illness and get back to the banning of guns.


20 posted on 12/18/2012 2:49:39 PM PST by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: servo1969

These days the government forces kids to be adults at 18. A few decades ago, a disturbed or emotionally unstable kid could have his parents do things like pay for stuff and handle medical issues.

Now, though, medical issues cannot be discussed with parents once the kid turns 18 (like a psychologist or psychiatrist can no longer chat with parents). Financial issues likewise, the kid must handle that too. Bank accounts become viewable only by the kid.

Conservatorship is about the only way a parent of an AS or Autistic or Down kid can stay in the loop and handle things the kid has difficulty with.


21 posted on 12/18/2012 2:49:48 PM PST by DBrow
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To: servo1969

In a sick and diseased brain involuntary commitment to a psych hospital (or any facility,for that matter) could be enough.


22 posted on 12/18/2012 2:50:15 PM PST by Gay State Conservative (When Robbing Peter To Pay Paul,One Can Always Count On Paul's Cooperation)
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To: tet68

Liberals have been creaming their pants for years hoping for a tragedy like this to happen so they can use it for their own benefit. The far left despises our country and our Constitution..their top guy is in the White House who wants nothing more than to rip our Constitution to shreds


23 posted on 12/18/2012 2:50:30 PM PST by Sarah Barracuda
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To: sarasota
Who is Flashman?

A character in 'Tom Brown's Schooldays', a nasty bull.

24 posted on 12/18/2012 2:50:30 PM PST by pbear8 (the Lord is my light and my salvation)
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To: servo1969

a conservatorship would also be needed for her to set up a special needs trust fund and have a guardian always manage Adam’s financial affairs

the ex husband should be aware if this

as a parent ages they have to think of future arrangements for an adult disabled child

of course, he might have misinterpreted her motives

if she thought he was dangerous she would have had her door locked and guns beside her bed with her... perhaps she did


25 posted on 12/18/2012 2:51:39 PM PST by silverleaf (Age Takes a Toll: Please Have Exact Change)
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To: servo1969

That’s convincing. I now believe it was the crazy man’s motive.


26 posted on 12/18/2012 2:52:11 PM PST by I want the USA back
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To: Sarah Barracuda

“purchase another gun but was refused since there was a 48 hour background check “

He maybe could buy a long gun but a 20 yo can’t buy a handgun.


27 posted on 12/18/2012 2:52:19 PM PST by DBrow
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To: GlockThe Vote

It would explain why he murdered his mother.
How would that explain why he murdered innocent children?


28 posted on 12/18/2012 2:52:26 PM PST by tennmountainman
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To: Alaska Wolf

I would suspect that his father wanted him committed over a decade ago...and the mother just wouldn’t agree to that. Just my humble opinion....but you can’t live in a house like that for years and years.


29 posted on 12/18/2012 2:52:33 PM PST by pepsionice
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To: Moonman62

BINGO


30 posted on 12/18/2012 2:52:42 PM PST by silverleaf (Age Takes a Toll: Please Have Exact Change)
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To: Sherman Logan

I love Flashman!

So, if freaky Adam was so upset, why didn’t he just off himself?


31 posted on 12/18/2012 2:53:22 PM PST by miss marmelstein
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To: servo1969

He went to the school the day before and there was an “altercation”, there had to be a reason for that, so this makes sense if true.


32 posted on 12/18/2012 2:54:12 PM PST by wolficatZ (Hey blue states....Got Food?)
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To: Sarah Barracuda
SB....

You are not alone in that thought process and thank you for bringing it up. Yes, Did she have a Safe, and if they were locked up, how did he crack it and or force her to open it. If you get the impression she was willing to get him "help" chances are she would have had them locked up if she was that logical.

Which leads to other questions, i.e. the story has political legs of it's own and if such facts come to light, the lame streams won't denote it as it does not fit their narrative.

My heart is still aches for these innocents, their parents, and all who loved them, and I am repulsed by the magnitude of evil of he who doesn't deserved to be named.

33 posted on 12/18/2012 2:55:15 PM PST by taildragger (( Tighten the 5 point harness and brace for Impact Freepers, ya know it's coming..... ))
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To: SE Mom
So, let's see here...

What is the link in the chain of events that actually broke? The mother was by all accounts a good gun owner. She feared her son was nuts and dangerous. She may have tried to have him committed. Son got mad, went to the school he once attended, where Mom's friends worked, where she may have worked at one time and had some altercation. About his mother's plans? Don't know at this time. So he kills her, steals her guns, kills her friends, and kills as many of those kids she loved as he could.

Now, was it the mother's access to guns that are to blame? Note: He had to kill his own mother to get them.

No. The mother wanted to have him committed. But, wouldn't you know it? It's damn near impossible to have a person committed when they haven't tried to kill anyone yet. And who is trying to blame everything on guns?


The very people who made certain that crazy people are free to do as they please!
34 posted on 12/18/2012 2:55:28 PM PST by servo1969
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To: Sarah Barracuda
Whatever measures she may have taken, they were absolutely inadequate. A good gun safe cannot be broken into or picked by a young video game playing psychotic med taking doofus.
35 posted on 12/18/2012 2:55:56 PM PST by allmendream (Tea Party did not send GOP to D.C. to negotiate the terms of our surrender to socialism)
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To: pbear8

Flashman is also a series of books by George MacDonald about the later adventures of the Tom Brown Schooldays character. Flashman ends up fighting with Custer at the Little Bighorn! Wonderful stuff.


36 posted on 12/18/2012 2:56:44 PM PST by miss marmelstein
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To: ButThreeLeftsDo
"Let us see if Fox is the sole outlet for this possible motive..."

Seems that Fox is the only outlet that knows this "Flashman" person. I have no idea who this person is! He pops up as a source in a Fox News article with no explanation of who he is.

37 posted on 12/18/2012 2:56:52 PM PST by Red_Devil 232 (VietVet - USMC All Ready On The Right? All Ready On The Left? All Ready On The Firing Line!)
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To: servo1969

So let me get this straight...

Momma is the one who taught him how to shoot (she was a big firearms enthusiast). And even after she saw that he was unstable, continued to take him shooting.

Momma initiates legal action to have him committed for being unstable and likely a danger... yet does absolutely nothing to secure here weapons where he cannot access them...

And she (along with 20 children and 6 school faculty) paid with their lives.

But it is still the GUN’s fault...

No - this is a case of irresponsibility. He tried to buy a gun but failed (Dick’s actually followed the law - though now they are halting sales of similar firearms, folding to the Marxists), but his mom was an accomplice to his acts.

It wasn’t Aspergers or “Autism Spectrum Disorder” that killed 27 people plus the perp. It was Adam Lanza who made the decision, and his mother who aided and abetted by failing to secure her weapons from her dangerous son.


38 posted on 12/18/2012 2:58:08 PM PST by TheBattman (Isn't the lesser evil... still evil?)
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To: tet68

A government that does not trust the people to be armed
is in fact a tyranny.

It’s that simple, if they (our supposed government)attempt
to disarm us inspite of the constitution and bill of
rights, then they have given up the mandate of the people
and deserve what will happen to them. We can have no
common ground with tyranny.


39 posted on 12/18/2012 2:58:25 PM PST by tet68 ( " We would not die in that man's company, that fears his fellowship to die with us...." Henry V.)
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To: Stillwaters

If it’s true that the mother was preparing to have him committed, how did he find out about it? More importantly, if she knew her son was a danger to himself and others to the degree that he needed to be involuntarily committed, how on earth did he have access to all her weapons and her car?


40 posted on 12/18/2012 2:58:36 PM PST by lonevoice (Today I broke my personal record for most consecutive days lived)
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To: tennmountainman

because her working with “normal” kids brought her a sense of happiness and fulfillment, of being needed and loved, an escape from the reality of Adam, and social opportunities with empathetic adults like the principal, psychologist and teachers

Adam wanted his mother all for himself even if he could not love her and maybe even wanted to escape and become an adult. Or maybe she wanted his independence more than he did

And he hated not ever being one of those kids who brought her happiness and joy. My bet is she shared stories about her “kids” and volunteer activities with this sullen brooding psycho and that helped him hatch his plan


41 posted on 12/18/2012 2:58:56 PM PST by silverleaf (Age Takes a Toll: Please Have Exact Change)
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To: lightman
I’ve known of firearms enthusiasts who have committed suicide rather than be served a mental health commitment and therefore banned from possession.

I worked for years in the ER of a major hospital located in a major city.Our hospital,unlike some,didn't have a psych ward because 1) there was a huge state psychiatric hospital within a couple of hundred yards of our front door and 2) because there was another major hospital located right down the street that *had* one.Anyway,I can tell you hundreds of stories about involuntary commitments to the nearby state hospital.Some went quietly....many most assuredly did *not*.

42 posted on 12/18/2012 3:01:46 PM PST by Gay State Conservative (When Robbing Peter To Pay Paul,One Can Always Count On Paul's Cooperation)
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To: GlockThe Vote

I posted a few days ago that I was speculating this may be what set him off.

Could be Adam figured Mom was getting help from the Sandy Hook school psychologist.


43 posted on 12/18/2012 3:01:55 PM PST by dforest
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To: servo1969

BFL


44 posted on 12/18/2012 3:02:41 PM PST by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: servo1969

That pretty much sums it up given what we know at this time.


45 posted on 12/18/2012 3:03:21 PM PST by SE Mom (Proud mom of an Iraq war combat vet)
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To: pepsionice
I would suspect that his father wanted him committed over a decade ago

During the last decade, where was the "father"?

46 posted on 12/18/2012 3:03:35 PM PST by Alaska Wolf (Carry a Gun, It's a Lighter Burden Than Regret)
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To: allmendream
Two Christmases ago a good friend of mine almost lost his family to a deranged brother-in-law who was off his meds and started popping off shotgun rounds in the middle of the crowded living room. My friend and several other family members managed to tackle him and wrestle the shotgun out of his hands. Fortunately nobody was hit, but it was a very close call.

The next day I met him at the local gunshop and we were waiting at the door when they opened up. I then helped transport a gun safe over to their house and my friend's sister brought all of the guns over so that we could secure them for her.

47 posted on 12/18/2012 3:03:46 PM PST by Stonewall Jackson ( "I must study politics and war that my sons may have liberty to study mathematics and philosophy.")
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To: servo1969
So, the mother of a disturbed individual taught him how to use, and allowed him access to firearms. Then, while trying to obtain court ordered control so as to have him committed, never considered the need to lock those firearms up to keep them from his access. Yep, sounds exactly the right scenerio to justify banning firearms/s.

This is a parenting and mental health issue, not a firearms issue.

48 posted on 12/18/2012 3:04:20 PM PST by SoldierDad (Proud dad of an Army Soldier who has survived 24 months of Combat deployment.)
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To: lonevoice
If it’s true that the mother was preparing to have him committed, how did he find out about it?

There are lots of ways a kid can learn things that he's not supposed to know.When I was a kid I knew a *lot* more about household events than I was supposed to know and that my parents *thought* I knew.

More importantly, if she knew her son was a danger to himself and others to the degree that he needed to be involuntarily committed, how on earth did he have access to all her weapons and her car?

A valid question...perhaps even she underestimated how serious his disorder was.

49 posted on 12/18/2012 3:06:52 PM PST by Gay State Conservative (When Robbing Peter To Pay Paul,One Can Always Count On Paul's Cooperation)
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To: allmendream
A good gun safe cannot be broken into or picked by a young video game playing psychotic med taking doofus.

Assuming the combination is 3 digits, who is to say that over time he didn't see one or more of the digits his mom dialed and figure out the rest? Because people commonly use digits that are easily remembered, might she have made the mistake of setting her birthdate, or something else that a person having close knowledge would be able to figure out?

50 posted on 12/18/2012 3:08:13 PM PST by fso301
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