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Whenever a story is posted on FR about something bad happening or a stupid policy at a public school we get the evitable “another reason to home school” post. The broad bushes come out and there is almost a race among some Freepers to see who can use the latest incident to condemn all public schools to the greatest extreme.

This kid’s mom took him out of public school and home schooled him because she didn’t agree with the school’s plan for her son. It would be wrong to use this tragedy, or Matthew Murray who did the CO church shooting, as a vehicle to condemn all home schoolers.

Believe me; I know that our public schools have lots of problems. I also know that there are many deeply religious and politically conservative, (many nonunion like me) staff members who serve in those schools. I have no problems with parents who chose to home school or send their kids to a private school; just remember how unfair the charge would be now and next time maybe put the brush back into the holster.

OK, flame away.

1 posted on 12/17/2012 11:01:51 AM PST by fungoking
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pitiful post


2 posted on 12/17/2012 11:07:14 AM PST by babble-on
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Mothers of mentally ill sons often become obsessive and overprotective, and it sounds like that was her problem. She’d apparently been protecting him for years, even before the divorce (2009), and after that, he became her whole life. She was trying to get him into some special engineering program, and she planned to follow him to the school and live near him.

I think she simply refused to admit the degree of his illness, and once he was out of school, she had no more reality checks at all.


3 posted on 12/17/2012 11:09:07 AM PST by livius
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To: fungoking

I agree with you. It’s seen as a cure-all by some. It’s not.


4 posted on 12/17/2012 11:12:33 AM PST by Monty22002
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To: fungoking

Fire extinguisher for ya here.... I agree with you.


5 posted on 12/17/2012 11:12:51 AM PST by NEMDF
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To: fungoking

There is also this being reported on the AP:
http://www.theday.com/article/20121217/NWS12/121219735/1070/FRONTPAGE
That he started taking college classes at age 16 at Western Connecticut State University.


6 posted on 12/17/2012 11:13:55 AM PST by MrNeutron1962
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To: fungoking

Agree with your comments. Also applies to the glib comments about “if only the others had a gun”. Yes, but please stop falling all over ourselves to hammer on these points. It just ends up seeming silly, as much as liberals’ knee-jerk “see guns must be banned”.


7 posted on 12/17/2012 11:16:32 AM PST by the OlLine Rebel (Common sense is an uncommon virtue./Technological progress cannot be legislated.)
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Great post all around.

We shouldn't rush in to assume the mom's to blame, anymore than to blame her taking him to a target range, however few or many times that was.

Sometimes, despite best efforts by good people, Evil rules the Day.
9 posted on 12/17/2012 11:23:20 AM PST by kenavi (Lost the country? Win your state.)
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I’ve worked 16+ years in public schools. I agree that there is a lot wrong with public schools. However, the broad brush some want to paint public education with is tainted with severe, and oft unfounded, bias. Most educators are not to blame for the problems in public education. In fact, I’ve had more than a few conversations with teachers, most of them liberal (I am very conservative), who agree with me that the reason many students do not do well in public school is because of the people who work in cubicles in some antiseptic building that make the decisions regarding the curriculum and how students will be taught. These people have hardly, if ever, stepped onto a school campus, let alone into a classroom. Teachers and other school staff (I’m a School Psychologist) are not permitted to provide their input into the decisions that politicians and retired bureaucrats make regarding education. When I was in Elementary School, I wasn’t introduced to the concept of Algebra until 6th or 7th grade. Today, introductory Algebra concepts are being taught in Kindergarten. The pressures we are placing children under from a purely academic expectation is ridicules.


10 posted on 12/17/2012 11:30:35 AM PST by SoldierDad (Proud dad of an Army Soldier who has survived 24 months of Combat deployment.)
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it shows me that this mother which did a lousy job as a parent did not want her kid to be treeated as he should and she wanted to hear what she wanted to hear.
This get a shrink who will give him drugs, tell him it;s alright to be different and then this is what happens.

About time parents gave up some of their own lives, laid some discipline down, hard work, morals, respect instead of this modern aprenting, promoting divorce, no father needed, treat all kids nicey nice and all are equal

That left wing crap has given us this and yes much of the media with their dog walkers, nannies, cleaners are as bad.
Get the kid to clean, help to cook, kids can walk the dog


13 posted on 12/17/2012 11:33:05 AM PST by manc (Marriage =1 man + 1 woman,when they say marriage equality then they should support polygamy)
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... I have no problems with parents who chose to home school or send their kids to a private school...

That's good.
I will still rail against public schools. They have become dens of iniquity, that advocate socialism, anti-Americanism, homosexuality, and atheism. I am glad on the individual level that there are deeply religious, and conservative staff members in these areas. They can be salt and lights in this dark world. God bless them. I hope your's and these other folks Bible studies with their students are very fruitful.
That said, schools should be privatized. The public/government system has degenerated to the point that they are a detriment rather than a benefit.

14 posted on 12/17/2012 11:33:43 AM PST by El Cid (Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house...)
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His medical records will tell more than his school records. He didn’t go off the reservation when he was being home schooled but as an adult.

He may have been on medication through his teen yeaars and under psychiatric care until he turned 18 and then at that point started exerting his independence and wanted to stop taking his medications.

Starting, stopping, adding, subtracting, or adjusting psychiatric medications are times when a person is most vulnerable to going postal.

But being that it is covered by HIPPA we may never know.


18 posted on 12/17/2012 11:44:07 AM PST by Uncle Chip
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What a disappointing post. You do the very thing you complain about others doing. And we didn’t homeschool any of the kids.


19 posted on 12/17/2012 11:46:57 AM PST by blueunicorn6 ("A crack shot and a good dancer")
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Left him in public school too long. 10th grade = damage already done.


21 posted on 12/17/2012 11:50:27 AM PST by ican'tbelieveit (School is prison for children who have commited the crime of being born. (attr: St_Thomas_Aquinas))
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A child with developmental or personality disorders in the State of Connecticut receives a yearly IEP or Individualized Education Plan. The IEP is generally the product of the school psychologist, social worker and guidance counselor in conjunction with the teachers and administrators at the school. Goals and progress measurements are outlined in the IEP, and it is visited at least a couple of times each year in a conference setting with all the contributors, the parent(s) and a child advocate, if requested. It sounds to me as though the mother did not agree with the findings of the report, and pulled her son.


27 posted on 12/17/2012 12:01:56 PM PST by Ol' Sox
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I feel sorry for anyone that accepts this madness as merely a coincidence for what was already known to occur in 0bama's second term; An assault on the 2nd Amendment. Once mocked and insulted, tin foil hats are now something to be proud of!

0bama's assault on 'big oil' in his first term was bolstered by BP's oil rig explosion. GEE, WHAT A COINCIDENCE.

0bama's assault or 'gun grab' in his second term is bolstered by the murder of kids, using "assault weapons".. Want more? Okay, he was home schooled! GEE, WHAT A COINCIDENCE.

0bama's been doing what he does best on Benghazi.. RUN OUT THE CLOCK!! Hillary was due to TESTIFY THIS THURSDAY, DEC. 20TH ON BENGHAZI. Uh oh, she's had a concussion and now says she can't testify on doctor's orders.. GEE, WHAT A COINCIDENCE.

0bama's reign has been plagued by COINCIDENCES. One after another. At some point you need to rethink mocking those wearing tin foil hats. There's something going on that's far more sinister that VINDICATES WE TIN FOIL HAT WEARERS. That these are NOT coincidences, and are beyond statistical probability as well.

33 posted on 12/17/2012 12:53:30 PM PST by Obama_Is_Sabotaging_America (IMPEACH OBAMA)
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It was the stress of climate change, best to blame owlgore now. ( Me=so sick of looking for reasons to tear up the constitution that has kept us free until 2008, now? it’s fighting for its very life.)


34 posted on 12/17/2012 12:54:33 PM PST by Karliner ( Jeremiah 29:11, Romans 8:28, Romans 8:38"...this is the end of the beginning."WC)
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After reading that article my first thought was is that the real reason he was pulled out or is it that the school can’t handle her son? Being autistic may mean he can do well in math (which he did), but he would not be able to do well in other subjects which was the case. Pushing someone at too young in age, according to development theory, is not a good thing. Nevertheless this child may just very well be strongly mentally ill. Someone who said they were a neighbor to that family said the younger one (when initial reports said the oldest one did it) was the one likely to commit such a crime.


37 posted on 12/17/2012 1:05:50 PM PST by annajones (Please Act)
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Beslan

Israeli Schoolchildren murdered sorry there are NO You Tube videos of Israeli school children being terrorized BUT key on such and you will find all sorts of "pali" schoolchildren being terrorized by the IDF and more Israeli school children terrorized daily

Hutus vs Tutsi murders, mostly machetes

Rwanda schoolchildren murdered

Janet reno terrorized a Cubano kid, sent him packing

Janet reno kills 17 children .

< a href="http://youtu.be/5_rk3RP5KQs"> Progressive Roosevelt incarcerates japanese children

Heavens Gate, new tennis shoees cult

allah orders murder of children, but you won't find the poisonings and killings of children on You Tube

Rav Kook slaughter of children by al Fatah pali

Aftermath of SCarab spring in Egypt, Copts mainly>

Muslims murder 43,students,Boku Haren in Nigeria

Australian break ins and horrid crimes up since gun control instituted

Nigerian gunmen murder 26 in Nigeria

Has gun control worked in Australia? Snopes( biased me thinks) say yes, worked great. But crime continues to rise in Australia

All of the above can go on and on and on. This horrid, HORRID attack by a sick man killing so many innocent children is terrible in all ways. But please think if anyone can( I know FReepers are smart folks) what will happen, when our rights are remooved completely, then attackwatch.com, flag.gov will not be mocked it will have simply been a [premature idea but will be enforced if we do not counter this madness with logic and reason. Then again, look at logic and reason in the 1600 page,"You first have to vote on it before you can see it,"bill.

40 posted on 12/17/2012 1:47:29 PM PST by Karliner ( Jeremiah 29:11, Romans 8:28, Romans 8:38"...this is the end of the beginning."WC)
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Correct. Plus every parent is simply not equipped to home school their own children, either from the knowledge base or the patience base. It is not something just anybody can do.

The problem isn't public schools, it is the radicalization of them into indoctrination factories for the nanny state.

There are good, dedicated, values and conscience driven teachers in the public schools. The main problem is that there are not enough of them.

43 posted on 12/17/2012 2:00:35 PM PST by Vigilanteman (Obama: Fake black man. Fake Messiah. Fake American. How many fakes can you fit in one Zer0?)
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So apparently your whole point in posting was to warn HS’ing folks?


44 posted on 12/17/2012 2:01:58 PM PST by Osage Orange ( Liberalism, ideas so good they have to be mandatory.)
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