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Adam Lanza's Mom Pulled Him Out of School: Relative
ABC ^ | RANDY KREIDER | RANDY KREIDER

Posted on 12/17/2012 11:01:45 AM PST by fungoking

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To: SoldierDad

When something like this happens, I pretty much avoid all media except looking at Drudge and FR a few times a day.
Can’t stand the MSM approach.


41 posted on 12/17/2012 1:51:03 PM PST by nascarnation (Baraq's economic policy: trickle up poverty)
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To: palmer

How do you get I’m against guns and TOTAL freedom (I.e., we should be allowed to have fighter jets if we want) from that? I’m sick of these assumptions just because I tire of the old simplistic statements. Baseless.


42 posted on 12/17/2012 1:57:15 PM PST by the OlLine Rebel (Common sense is an uncommon virtue./Technological progress cannot be legislated.)
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To: fungoking
Correct. Plus every parent is simply not equipped to home school their own children, either from the knowledge base or the patience base. It is not something just anybody can do.

The problem isn't public schools, it is the radicalization of them into indoctrination factories for the nanny state.

There are good, dedicated, values and conscience driven teachers in the public schools. The main problem is that there are not enough of them.

43 posted on 12/17/2012 2:00:35 PM PST by Vigilanteman (Obama: Fake black man. Fake Messiah. Fake American. How many fakes can you fit in one Zer0?)
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To: fungoking

So apparently your whole point in posting was to warn HS’ing folks?


44 posted on 12/17/2012 2:01:58 PM PST by Osage Orange ( Liberalism, ideas so good they have to be mandatory.)
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To: SoldierDad
I'm a bit surprised you are maybe just now "totally disgusted"......??

This has been their behavior for 25 yrs now....although granted it's more intense.

45 posted on 12/17/2012 2:08:19 PM PST by Osage Orange ( Liberalism, ideas so good they have to be mandatory.)
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To: fungoking

The Left must be wetting themselves.

Now they get to demonize gun owners, preppers, and homeschoolers.

Have they found out if she’s a Republican or a Freeper yet ?


46 posted on 12/17/2012 2:20:18 PM PST by PLMerite (Shut the Beyotch Down! Burn, baby, burn!)
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To: TalBlack

No question it’d be better if people could just openly freely carry. But it’s still full of suppositions as the liberal view. Yes I’d rather they all had guns than not allowed, but it’s never that simple. Maybe 1 staffer would have a gun and be shot 1st thing, no one else getting it either. Having a guardian dog would be best - they alert everyone, they don’t hesitate to use their weapons, and often just the presence keeps the goons away, period. But I’m not denying they can be shot and killed before doing any good, either. It’s never as simple as our ideal scenarios.


47 posted on 12/17/2012 2:30:01 PM PST by the OlLine Rebel (Common sense is an uncommon virtue./Technological progress cannot be legislated.)
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To: SoldierDad

We put them under those pressures because many of our main economic competitors are also putting their kids under the same pressure. To get any sort of merit money for college you have to walk on water. In addition once you get into college you better believe that the other kids, many 1st generation Americans, have pounded the books since they were little. You can’t fake your way in a Calculus or a Physics class. I am not having my daughter look at exclusive private colleges because the pressure/payback is just too great. I also rearranged her schedule so she would take online college classes instead of high school classes (she had four finals in one day in high school both semesters - in her hardest four academic subjects). The stress was awful. With online college classes she can set the time in which she takes her tests so the material may be comparable, but the preparation and stress level are optimized.


48 posted on 12/17/2012 2:43:47 PM PST by exhaustguy
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To: fungoking

Using the Newtown massacre to discipline FReepers?


49 posted on 12/17/2012 3:08:50 PM PST by Gene Eric (Demoralization is a weapon of the enemy. Don't get it, don't spread it!)
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To: Uncle Chip

When the smoke settles and we find out more about this pathetic cowardly loser that masscared the 27 people, it would not surprise me in the least to learn that he was a guilt-ridden homosexual who couldn’t live with himself any longer because of his degenerate behavior. The mother he murdered being the one he blamed on his homosexuality. She probably made him wear dresses and put lipstick on. I am saying this because a a majority of mass murderers turn out to be homosexuals that hate themselves.


50 posted on 12/17/2012 3:15:31 PM PST by NKP_Vet
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To: fungoking

If I use half of your “handle” and half of mine, I’d be called “fungobat”. (For all those baseball fans!)


51 posted on 12/17/2012 3:24:56 PM PST by BatGuano (You don't think I'd go into combat with loose change in my pocket, do ya?)
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To: livius

This was an extreme case of helicopter parenting and smother love. She probably removed him from public school because she didn’t like hearing that he was crazy as a bedbug and should be institutionalized.

The father who got himself a misteress and walked away from his troubled son is just as much to blame.


52 posted on 12/17/2012 3:40:12 PM PST by miserare
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To: cambyses

IMHO, the mother was just as crazy as the son.

May they both rest in peace. She has what she wanted. They are together forever now.

I’m just sorry that he didn’t shoot himself at home, right after he killed her.


53 posted on 12/17/2012 3:42:58 PM PST by miserare
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To: the OlLine Rebel

Where’d you come up with fighter jets? How about exploding red herrings? Do you agree that teachers should be armed if they want. Or not. Simple question.


54 posted on 12/17/2012 3:54:08 PM PST by palmer (Obama = Carter + affirmative action)
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To: Obama_Is_Sabotaging_America
"There's something going on that's far more sinister that VINDICATES WE TIN FOIL HAT WEARERS."

I have my tin foil hat at the ready.

A few weeks ago, I told my f-i-l that something horrible, something we haven't quite seen before was going to happen before December was out. And, I wasn't talking about 12/21; I meant before 12/21.

I told him it was going to be really, really awful, the likes we haven't seen before.

I don't mind them thinking I wear the tin foil hat. They think it is kind of weird, I guess. What has happened is so horrible I can't even process it yet. God bless the community where EVIL has landed.

God bless America. We really need the help.

55 posted on 12/17/2012 3:54:17 PM PST by hummingbird
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To: livius

“Nothing bizarre at all. The facts about the reason she took him out of school have been posted in several places, and I actually have experience working with the mentally ill. The defensiveness and misguided protective efforts (and state of denial) of some parents is well known.”

I think you were unfairly criticized by a few previous posters here — I thought your observations were good.

I have no experience with mental health issues at all (I ran RR engines for a living). But it looks to me like the mother either…
- Failed to recognize the descent the boy was experiencing (from having Asperger’s to something far worse, perhaps into schizophrenia), or
- Sensed that things might be getting worse, yet tried to ignore that in the hope that what she had done in the past would still work with him.

One news article (posted on Drudge) said that she had told someone that she was afraid that she was “losing him”. So it looks like she knew he was headed downwards (another news report said she had found him trying to burn himself with a lighter), but didn’t comprehend just -how far- “down” he actually was.

Her fatal misjudgment was in failing to comprehend that having weapons in close proximity to the boy might afford him the opportunity to do something unpredictable.

She didn’t see it coming, perhaps out of her own well-intentioned blindness.


56 posted on 12/17/2012 4:03:43 PM PST by Road Glide
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To: Uncle Chip

“Starting, stopping, adding, subtracting, or adjusting psychiatric medications are times when a person is most vulnerable to going postal.”

I am also told that it is in the early to mid twenties when most mental patients have their first psychotic break.


57 posted on 12/17/2012 4:04:50 PM PST by Owl558 ("Those who remember George Satayana are doomed to repeat him")
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To: livius
Mothers of mentally ill sons often become obsessive and overprotective, and it sounds like that was her problem. She’d apparently been protecting him for years, even before the divorce (2009), and after that, he became her whole life. She was trying to get him into some special engineering program, and she planned to follow him to the school and live near him.

Home schooling a kid with Aspergers doesn't make a Mom "overprotective", nor does getting an Asperger kid into a special engineering program and planning to live near the kid. Sounds to me like a Mom who wants to help her special needs kid.

"I think she simply refused to admit the degree of his illness,...

You just said that she was overprotective of his illness. Now you claim that refused to admit the degree of his illness. I would think that one who is protective of an illness, does so because they admit, at least to themselves that the illness is serious enough to need her assistance.

.. and once he was out of school, she had no more reality checks at all.

Here's a reality check for you. You are making things up without knowing the facts, basing your opinion on your own perceptions of expected behavior.

Now if you can demonstrate that this kid had a history of violence, and that the mother had a history of trying to sweep the violence under the rug, then that would be a valid point.

But you didn't demonstrate that.

58 posted on 12/17/2012 5:29:31 PM PST by FreeReign
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To: miserare
She probably removed him from public school because she didn’t like hearing that he was crazy as a bedbug and should be institutionalized.

Another one making things up.

The information I've seen so far only suggests that he was exibiting Asperger at the time that he was removed from public school.

It appears that the kid started acting "acting crazy as a bed bug" later, either while taking, or taking and then stopping, perscription psychotropic drugs.

59 posted on 12/17/2012 5:44:01 PM PST by FreeReign
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To: fungoking
OK, flame away.

I'm not going to flame you because it's apparent that the reason Mrs. Lanza took her son out of school is because they had no idea on how to deal with him due to his problems.

And rather than leave him in that alien environment she chose to try and help her son at home.........I probably would have done the same thing.

60 posted on 12/17/2012 5:49:12 PM PST by Hot Tabasco (Jab her with a harpoon.....)
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