Adam Lanza's Mom Pulled Him Out of School: Relative

Your premise is that violence is the only thing that marks a person as having mental problems. He was actually flagged in school for extra attention not because he was violent, but because he was too timid (he went down the hallways with his back pressed against the wall, for example) and also had other problems that were probably organic, such as the inability to feel pain.

He had way more than Aspergers (although even that is a very complex problem that is far more than a language disorder, as it is sometimes portrayed) but his mother consistently avoided having him evaluated for care. Even the security chief at his school had been told to keep him under observation, so obviously other people were uneasy about him for a variety of reasons, either because they feared he would receive ill treatment from the other students or because they were afraid he would do something to himself or others. Mid to late adolescence is usually the time when full blown psychosis comes on, and these people were experienced professionals who knew this.

Violence is not the sole indicator of the need for specialized care, and one of our problems in dealing with the mentally ill nowadays is that illness is defined solely by violence. Hence, the person can’t receive any mandatory care until he has already killed or injured somebody.

One of the best suggestions so far was an article by D.J. Jaffe that just appeared in the National Review offering a five-point plan for restructuring our mental health care system (someone posted it here earlier today). And one of the key points was that there are other indicators of mental illness than violence, which usually comes only at the end of a gradually unfolding paranoia...but when it happens is devastating.

Sorry, I’m sure his mother meant well, but she’s dead herself and so are some twenty 6 or 7 year olds because of her bad judgment and massive denial of reality.

Mr.Fung, Adam Lanza spent ten years in the public school system and you call him a home schooler. Now that is a stretch, wouldn’t you think?
The young man seems to have been mentally ill. He should have been institutionalized. It has been reported that he was on psych’ drugs and reported to have burnt his arms and feet for fun. Learned that in one year of home school? Quick learner? Mom gave him extra credit for that, I guess.

I suppose that Adam’s mom took him out of the grist mill called public school to protect him and to protect others. She sould have kept her guns locked up and not let Adam know the combination.
I hope she taught him about Jesus Christ’s life, death and resurrection.
That is what a home school Mom would have done.

Disclaimer: I’m not looking to waylay the blame. This is just a thought...

I can’t help but wonder if she filled his head with negative thoughts regarding the school from which she pulled him. I have been thinking on why he put so much anger into this target... obviously he was not “right”... perhaps she had some vocalized bitterness that he took to heart in a way “normal” folks would not.

Your premise is that violence is the only thing that marks a person as having mental problems.

First you falsely claim that the Mom didn't think that the kid had a problem. And now you falsely blame me of the same thing. I never said that only violence marks a person as having a mental problem. Of course the kid had a problem early on. It's been identified as Aspergers.

but his mother consistently avoided having him evaluated for care.

Just because the Mom removed the kid from school, doesn't mean that the Mom didn't address the problem. The kid apparently did see a psychiatrist outside of school.

Mid to late adolescence is usually the time when full blown psychosis comes on, and these people were experienced professionals who knew this.

Again, Just because the Mom removed the kid from school, doesn't mean that the Mom didn't address the problem. The kid apparently did see a psychiatrist outside of school.

And speaking of "experienced professionals", what professional gave the kid Fanapt, a psychotropic drug known to "frequently" cause violent behavior.

Sorry, I’m sure his mother meant well, but she’s dead herself and so are some twenty 6 or 7 year olds because of her bad judgment and massive denial of reality.

Sorry, I'm sure the "experienced professional" psychiatrist that he was seeing meant well, but we have twenty-eight dead people and we have a known medication that frequently causes violent behavior.

I don't know where mental illness begins and where bad parenting starts.

I had this discussion with my brother about a family member over the weekend and a co-worker today.

I call it "Failure To Launch", whether it's the mom or the dad doing it. They don't give the kids incentive to leave and make their own way in life.

We have parents paying car insurance for grown kids who have jobs. What is wrong with that picture?

You accused me of preferring teachers unarmed.

I am in favor of them being armed if they wish, at least cursorily. If we spend more time thinking about it I might modify that. But basically I’m for it.

I bring up fighter jets because few truly support the 2A fully. It says “arms” and fighter planes are arms. I support anyone having them, not just the gov. We would never defeat a gov with major equipment while we have only pop-guns.

Sounds like a bad situation.

I’ve read about something about “codependency” which involves individuals trying to control or enable a family member’s addictive behavior.

I consider myself a codependent in my own family.

Some books you may want to check into are “Codependent No More” and “Codependents Guide to the Twelve Steps” by Melody Beattie.

Or maybe he hated people in general and school problems being apart of his life - He being those who were safe and compliant - young children in a school. He could have shot his mother because she would call alerted authorities or someone because he was in a rage that a.m. If she could prevent him - she was an enemy is all that diseased mind could think. The father was absent - so he couldn’t shoot him.

No one will know the real reason, they/us can only guess. They/us will never know the REAL reason know matter what info they can piece together. All we know he was taking meds (or not taking) and he was raised in a society where life can be snuffed out - even when a baby is in what should be the most safe place, the womb.

No one will know the real reason, they/us can only guess. They/us will never know the REAL reason no matter what info they can piece together. All we know he was taking meds (or not taking) and he was raised in a society where life can be snuffed out - even when a baby is in what should be the most safe place, the womb.

Obama quoting from the Bible is what got the best of me. Said we all have a place waiting for us in heaven, or something to that effect. Where in the Bible does it say it’s OK to murder your known child? He runs his mouth over these children getting massacred, immediately trying to publicize it for wanting to take away guns, but thinks nothing is wrong with murdering unborn children by the thousands every day. You can bet your bottom dollar that some of those kids murdered were born premature. Obama believes in murdering them right up to the last month of pregnancy. If a child survives the abortionist, Obama wants a knife put in it’s little skull to go ahead and murder it. Where is the compassion and “caring” for the millions that have been murdered in their mother’s womb for the last 40 years.

I DIDN’T watch or hear what he said. When I heard he was going there on Sunday - I said the community should tell him they can’t have anyone who supports baby killing and penalitiezes those who won’t - CANNOT speak nor grieve with those who are mourning the loss of young ones. And young ones that were killed in a school where God is not permitted.

I don’t think the community saw the hypocrisy of it all. That was one incident where obama needed a freep with signs “no baby killing supporters allowed”. The parents were too grieved to even give it a though - but it’s where the community should have came together and did it - what an honor to those little one that would have been! ‘The killers came near you in life - but not in death!’

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