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Adam Lanza's Mom Pulled Him Out of School: Relative
ABC ^ | RANDY KREIDER | RANDY KREIDER

Posted on 12/17/2012 11:01:45 AM PST by fungoking

The aunt of Connecticut shooter Adam Lanza said the shooter's mother pulled him out of Newtown's public school system because she was unhappy with the school district's plans for her son. Adam Lanza's mother Nancy, 52, was the first victim of his Friday shooting spree. Lanza shot Nancy in the face and then drove her car to Sandy Hook Elementary School, where he killed 20 students and six adults before taking his own life. Marsha Lanza, who is Adam's aunt and Nancy's ex-sister-in-law, called her former sister-in-law an "awesome ... giving person." She also told Evelyn Holmes of ABC-owned-and-operated station WLS in Chicago that Nancy had once been a classroom aide at the Sandy Hook school. Marsha, who lives in the Chicago suburb of Crystal Lake, said that Nancy had home-schooled Adam after pulling him out of the Newtown public school system. "She mentioned she wound up home-schooling him because she battled with the school district," said Marsha. She did not know when Adam had left school. According to former classmates, Adam had attended the local high school at least through part of 10th grade. Nancy Lanza divorced her husband Peter in 2009, when Adam was 17. p>

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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Front Page News; US: Connecticut
KEYWORDS: disorders; education; homeschool; lanza; nancylanza; newtown; sandyhook; teens
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Whenever a story is posted on FR about something bad happening or a stupid policy at a public school we get the evitable “another reason to home school” post. The broad bushes come out and there is almost a race among some Freepers to see who can use the latest incident to condemn all public schools to the greatest extreme.

This kid’s mom took him out of public school and home schooled him because she didn’t agree with the school’s plan for her son. It would be wrong to use this tragedy, or Matthew Murray who did the CO church shooting, as a vehicle to condemn all home schoolers.

Believe me; I know that our public schools have lots of problems. I also know that there are many deeply religious and politically conservative, (many nonunion like me) staff members who serve in those schools. I have no problems with parents who chose to home school or send their kids to a private school; just remember how unfair the charge would be now and next time maybe put the brush back into the holster.

OK, flame away.

1 posted on 12/17/2012 11:01:51 AM PST by fungoking
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To: fungoking

pitiful post


2 posted on 12/17/2012 11:07:14 AM PST by babble-on
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To: fungoking

Mothers of mentally ill sons often become obsessive and overprotective, and it sounds like that was her problem. She’d apparently been protecting him for years, even before the divorce (2009), and after that, he became her whole life. She was trying to get him into some special engineering program, and she planned to follow him to the school and live near him.

I think she simply refused to admit the degree of his illness, and once he was out of school, she had no more reality checks at all.


3 posted on 12/17/2012 11:09:07 AM PST by livius
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To: fungoking

I agree with you. It’s seen as a cure-all by some. It’s not.


4 posted on 12/17/2012 11:12:33 AM PST by Monty22002
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To: fungoking

Fire extinguisher for ya here.... I agree with you.


5 posted on 12/17/2012 11:12:51 AM PST by NEMDF
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To: fungoking

There is also this being reported on the AP:
http://www.theday.com/article/20121217/NWS12/121219735/1070/FRONTPAGE
That he started taking college classes at age 16 at Western Connecticut State University.


6 posted on 12/17/2012 11:13:55 AM PST by MrNeutron1962
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To: fungoking

Agree with your comments. Also applies to the glib comments about “if only the others had a gun”. Yes, but please stop falling all over ourselves to hammer on these points. It just ends up seeming silly, as much as liberals’ knee-jerk “see guns must be banned”.


7 posted on 12/17/2012 11:16:32 AM PST by the OlLine Rebel (Common sense is an uncommon virtue./Technological progress cannot be legislated.)
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To: livius

That post is going off the rails on a crazy train. You are a victim of the media.


8 posted on 12/17/2012 11:22:12 AM PST by Truth2012
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To: fungoking
Great post all around.

We shouldn't rush in to assume the mom's to blame, anymore than to blame her taking him to a target range, however few or many times that was.

Sometimes, despite best efforts by good people, Evil rules the Day.
9 posted on 12/17/2012 11:23:20 AM PST by kenavi (Lost the country? Win your state.)
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To: fungoking

I’ve worked 16+ years in public schools. I agree that there is a lot wrong with public schools. However, the broad brush some want to paint public education with is tainted with severe, and oft unfounded, bias. Most educators are not to blame for the problems in public education. In fact, I’ve had more than a few conversations with teachers, most of them liberal (I am very conservative), who agree with me that the reason many students do not do well in public school is because of the people who work in cubicles in some antiseptic building that make the decisions regarding the curriculum and how students will be taught. These people have hardly, if ever, stepped onto a school campus, let alone into a classroom. Teachers and other school staff (I’m a School Psychologist) are not permitted to provide their input into the decisions that politicians and retired bureaucrats make regarding education. When I was in Elementary School, I wasn’t introduced to the concept of Algebra until 6th or 7th grade. Today, introductory Algebra concepts are being taught in Kindergarten. The pressures we are placing children under from a purely academic expectation is ridicules.


10 posted on 12/17/2012 11:30:35 AM PST by SoldierDad (Proud dad of an Army Soldier who has survived 24 months of Combat deployment.)
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To: the OlLine Rebel
Also applies to the glib comments about "if only the others had a gun"

So you are in favor of the teachers rushing the gunman unarmed? Since I am on the emergency team in a gun-free company I was taught that I had the "option" of rushing the gunman or locking myself in my office like everyone else. But I am partial to option 3.

11 posted on 12/17/2012 11:32:17 AM PST by palmer (Obama = Carter + affirmative action)
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To: babble-on
pitiful post Yours? Yes.
12 posted on 12/17/2012 11:32:57 AM PST by A_perfect_lady
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To: fungoking

it shows me that this mother which did a lousy job as a parent did not want her kid to be treeated as he should and she wanted to hear what she wanted to hear.
This get a shrink who will give him drugs, tell him it;s alright to be different and then this is what happens.

About time parents gave up some of their own lives, laid some discipline down, hard work, morals, respect instead of this modern aprenting, promoting divorce, no father needed, treat all kids nicey nice and all are equal

That left wing crap has given us this and yes much of the media with their dog walkers, nannies, cleaners are as bad.
Get the kid to clean, help to cook, kids can walk the dog


13 posted on 12/17/2012 11:33:05 AM PST by manc (Marriage =1 man + 1 woman,when they say marriage equality then they should support polygamy)
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To: fungoking
... I have no problems with parents who chose to home school or send their kids to a private school...

That's good.
I will still rail against public schools. They have become dens of iniquity, that advocate socialism, anti-Americanism, homosexuality, and atheism. I am glad on the individual level that there are deeply religious, and conservative staff members in these areas. They can be salt and lights in this dark world. God bless them. I hope your's and these other folks Bible studies with their students are very fruitful.
That said, schools should be privatized. The public/government system has degenerated to the point that they are a detriment rather than a benefit.

14 posted on 12/17/2012 11:33:43 AM PST by El Cid (Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house...)
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To: El Cid; fungoking
I left out one comment/question from my previous post (14).

How many years was Adam Lanza home schooled? It sounds like it was just one. Adam Lanza was a product of his insanity, but if you are trying to attribute it to his school background - he was more of a product of the public school system (K through 10th Grade), than home school (1 or 2 years).

15 posted on 12/17/2012 11:37:09 AM PST by El Cid (Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house...)
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To: Monty22002

But it’s better than putting them in public schools.


16 posted on 12/17/2012 11:38:04 AM PST by demshateGod (The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God.)
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To: livius

“Mothers of mentally ill sons often become obsessive and overprotective, and it sounds like that was her problem. “

That is very true! The biggest problem was when she introduced that mentally disturbed young man in the business of guns and shooting with guns. She thought him how to shoot with guns!


17 posted on 12/17/2012 11:40:26 AM PST by cambyses
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To: fungoking

His medical records will tell more than his school records. He didn’t go off the reservation when he was being home schooled but as an adult.

He may have been on medication through his teen yeaars and under psychiatric care until he turned 18 and then at that point started exerting his independence and wanted to stop taking his medications.

Starting, stopping, adding, subtracting, or adjusting psychiatric medications are times when a person is most vulnerable to going postal.

But being that it is covered by HIPPA we may never know.


18 posted on 12/17/2012 11:44:07 AM PST by Uncle Chip
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To: fungoking

What a disappointing post. You do the very thing you complain about others doing. And we didn’t homeschool any of the kids.


19 posted on 12/17/2012 11:46:57 AM PST by blueunicorn6 ("A crack shot and a good dancer")
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To: livius

You have absolutely nothing to base that on!! What a bizarre, out of place diagnosis.


20 posted on 12/17/2012 11:47:06 AM PST by ChocChipCookie
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To: fungoking

Left him in public school too long. 10th grade = damage already done.


21 posted on 12/17/2012 11:50:27 AM PST by ican'tbelieveit (School is prison for children who have commited the crime of being born. (attr: St_Thomas_Aquinas))
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To: livius
We have a case of this right in our own family. Mom keeps thinking the kid is going to change and won't stick to any psychiatrist if she is not hearing what she wants to hear. This 20 year old son runs the household and everyone in it is fearful. I don't know where mental illness begins and where bad parenting starts.
22 posted on 12/17/2012 11:50:32 AM PST by not2worry ( NO MORE YEARS!!!!)
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To: livius

“Mothers of mentally ill sons often become obsessive and overprotective, and it sounds like that was her problem. “

That is very true! The biggest problem was when she introduced that mentally disturbed young man in the business of guns and shooting with guns. She was teaching him how to shoot with guns!


23 posted on 12/17/2012 11:51:03 AM PST by cambyses
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To: cambyses
The biggest problem was when she introduced that mentally disturbed young man in the business of guns and shooting with guns. She thought him how to shoot with guns!

God help us all.

24 posted on 12/17/2012 11:52:58 AM PST by Durus (You can avoid reality, but you cannot avoid the consequences of avoiding reality. Ayn Rand)
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To: ChocChipCookie

Nothing bizarre at all. The facts about the reason she took him out of school have been posted in several places, and I actually have experience working with the mentally ill. The defensiveness and misguided protective efforts (and state of denial) of some parents is well known.


25 posted on 12/17/2012 11:54:20 AM PST by livius
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To: cambyses

She probably thought she was “ channeling his aggression” or something. That said, I’m sure he would have figured it out even lacking her assistance.


26 posted on 12/17/2012 11:58:53 AM PST by livius
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To: fungoking

A child with developmental or personality disorders in the State of Connecticut receives a yearly IEP or Individualized Education Plan. The IEP is generally the product of the school psychologist, social worker and guidance counselor in conjunction with the teachers and administrators at the school. Goals and progress measurements are outlined in the IEP, and it is visited at least a couple of times each year in a conference setting with all the contributors, the parent(s) and a child advocate, if requested. It sounds to me as though the mother did not agree with the findings of the report, and pulled her son.


27 posted on 12/17/2012 12:01:56 PM PST by Ol' Sox
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To: blueunicorn6
What a disappointing post. You do the very thing you complain about others doing. And we didn’t homeschool any of the kids.

I thought I was clear that such a charge against home schoolers WOULDN'T be fair.

Never mind....

28 posted on 12/17/2012 12:16:24 PM PST by fungoking (Tis a pleasure to live in the Ozarks)
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To: SoldierDad
The wifey has taught spec ed close to 25 years and I have my secondary cert but honestly I just can't take all the politics in education today. Schools do as much as they can possibly accomplish with the resources they have; but you know, it all starts in the home and we do have massive problems with the family in America. I have seen quite a few kids in my wife's socially/emotionally disturbed class make it over the years, others not. Usually the ones that fail, end up in group homes or worse once the grandparents can't handle the kids anymore; but we have to make a place for these kids in society. We can't just build more prisons and the problems we are facing seem to be getting worse.

I had asperger kids over the years myself in school; that's one group of kids that usually can function if we make a place for them. Freepers should realize the vast majority of these kids are not dangerous and any one of us could have a child with aspergers too.

29 posted on 12/17/2012 12:17:03 PM PST by Eska
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To: the OlLine Rebel
It just ends up seeming silly, as much as liberals’ knee-jerk “see guns must be banned”.

It's not silly to wish for the one thing that could have stopped the carnage and that is often blocked by the same idiots wishing for a thing that can never possibly be (like pie in the sky).

I think we should speak it live it and be beating everyone over the head with it 24/7/365. They're gnna’come for the guns now-and NOT legally. Himself is probably ginning up his “orders” now.

30 posted on 12/17/2012 12:23:00 PM PST by TalBlack (Evil doesn't have a day job.)
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To: livius

its very sad and he took so many innocents in his sickness


31 posted on 12/17/2012 12:26:20 PM PST by SunnyUsa ( It is error alone which needs the support of government.Truth can stand by itself. Thomas Jefferson)
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To: Eska
I think it was completely irresponsible of the media what they did in focussing on Autism and Asperger's with respect to the shooter. There is no verifiable evidence that he was diagnosed with either condition. He may just as easily have had a psychotic break brought about by Schizophrenia. Or, he could have been emotionally disturbed. Or, perhaps he was just evil and a sociopath. There are many possibilities, and for the media to focus on any one thing without any documentation is criminal in my opinion.

I have worked with more than two dozen students who were diagnosed with Autism and/or Asperger's. With the correct program to address their needs, most of them were as successful as their potential allowed. Some of them were quite bright (High Functioning Autism/Aspergers), but had significant social deficits. Most were able to be taught skills to overcome these deficits. NONE, and I emphasize NONE, were ever violent to the point of committing such a horrid act of terror as this shooter.

There was one case I worked on with a student (third grade at the time) who I have often worried about engaging in an act of violence of this type. He was identified as Emotionally Disturbed. At an early age he was torturing neighborhood pets, and tried to BBQ the family's cat when he was age 5. I lost track of him after he ended up in a non-public lock-down program. To this day I recall his name, and his face. I pray I do not read about him in the news.

32 posted on 12/17/2012 12:52:27 PM PST by SoldierDad (Proud dad of an Army Soldier who has survived 24 months of Combat deployment.)
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To: fungoking
I feel sorry for anyone that accepts this madness as merely a coincidence for what was already known to occur in 0bama's second term; An assault on the 2nd Amendment. Once mocked and insulted, tin foil hats are now something to be proud of!

0bama's assault on 'big oil' in his first term was bolstered by BP's oil rig explosion. GEE, WHAT A COINCIDENCE.

0bama's assault or 'gun grab' in his second term is bolstered by the murder of kids, using "assault weapons".. Want more? Okay, he was home schooled! GEE, WHAT A COINCIDENCE.

0bama's been doing what he does best on Benghazi.. RUN OUT THE CLOCK!! Hillary was due to TESTIFY THIS THURSDAY, DEC. 20TH ON BENGHAZI. Uh oh, she's had a concussion and now says she can't testify on doctor's orders.. GEE, WHAT A COINCIDENCE.

0bama's reign has been plagued by COINCIDENCES. One after another. At some point you need to rethink mocking those wearing tin foil hats. There's something going on that's far more sinister that VINDICATES WE TIN FOIL HAT WEARERS. That these are NOT coincidences, and are beyond statistical probability as well.

33 posted on 12/17/2012 12:53:30 PM PST by Obama_Is_Sabotaging_America (IMPEACH OBAMA)
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To: fungoking

It was the stress of climate change, best to blame owlgore now. ( Me=so sick of looking for reasons to tear up the constitution that has kept us free until 2008, now? it’s fighting for its very life.)


34 posted on 12/17/2012 12:54:33 PM PST by Karliner ( Jeremiah 29:11, Romans 8:28, Romans 8:38"...this is the end of the beginning."WC)
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To: SoldierDad

The problem is when these incidents occur, the media goes on 24/7 blab-a-thon. So they will pump out pretty much anything they can find to fill up the hours. Accuracy is not a consideration at all.


35 posted on 12/17/2012 12:55:23 PM PST by nascarnation (Baraq's economic policy: trickle up poverty)
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To: nascarnation
Accuracy is not a consideration at all.

And, that was obvious from just how much the media reported that was totally wrong in the first 24 to 36 hours after the event first broke. I am so totally disgusted by the liberal news hounds who are only out to get their names recognized, and care nothing about the victims or the families of the victims. I'm also angry at FOX for placing way too much emphasis on the shooter. Show is picture once, if you must. But, then, no more. Stop giving these fame seeking sociopaths so much glory.

36 posted on 12/17/2012 1:04:48 PM PST by SoldierDad (Proud dad of an Army Soldier who has survived 24 months of Combat deployment.)
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To: fungoking

After reading that article my first thought was is that the real reason he was pulled out or is it that the school can’t handle her son? Being autistic may mean he can do well in math (which he did), but he would not be able to do well in other subjects which was the case. Pushing someone at too young in age, according to development theory, is not a good thing. Nevertheless this child may just very well be strongly mentally ill. Someone who said they were a neighbor to that family said the younger one (when initial reports said the oldest one did it) was the one likely to commit such a crime.


37 posted on 12/17/2012 1:05:50 PM PST by annajones (Please Act)
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To: livius

I tutor kids one-on-one. There are moms whose kids are headed for a world of trouble but who will NOT see it. “I know he seems rude, but he has been very tired.” (Naw, he has a rude mouth; any parents on first?).


38 posted on 12/17/2012 1:10:43 PM PST by bboop (does not suffer fools gladly)
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To: livius

agree!!!


39 posted on 12/17/2012 1:38:52 PM PST by ronniesgal ( I miss George Bush. Hell, I miss Bill Clinton!! STILL!!!)
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To: fungoking
Beslan

Israeli Schoolchildren murdered sorry there are NO You Tube videos of Israeli school children being terrorized BUT key on such and you will find all sorts of "pali" schoolchildren being terrorized by the IDF and more Israeli school children terrorized daily

Hutus vs Tutsi murders, mostly machetes

Rwanda schoolchildren murdered

Janet reno terrorized a Cubano kid, sent him packing

Janet reno kills 17 children .

< a href="http://youtu.be/5_rk3RP5KQs"> Progressive Roosevelt incarcerates japanese children

Heavens Gate, new tennis shoees cult

allah orders murder of children, but you won't find the poisonings and killings of children on You Tube

Rav Kook slaughter of children by al Fatah pali

Aftermath of SCarab spring in Egypt, Copts mainly>

Muslims murder 43,students,Boku Haren in Nigeria

Australian break ins and horrid crimes up since gun control instituted

Nigerian gunmen murder 26 in Nigeria

Has gun control worked in Australia? Snopes( biased me thinks) say yes, worked great. But crime continues to rise in Australia

All of the above can go on and on and on. This horrid, HORRID attack by a sick man killing so many innocent children is terrible in all ways. But please think if anyone can( I know FReepers are smart folks) what will happen, when our rights are remooved completely, then attackwatch.com, flag.gov will not be mocked it will have simply been a [premature idea but will be enforced if we do not counter this madness with logic and reason. Then again, look at logic and reason in the 1600 page,"You first have to vote on it before you can see it,"bill.

40 posted on 12/17/2012 1:47:29 PM PST by Karliner ( Jeremiah 29:11, Romans 8:28, Romans 8:38"...this is the end of the beginning."WC)
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To: SoldierDad

When something like this happens, I pretty much avoid all media except looking at Drudge and FR a few times a day.
Can’t stand the MSM approach.


41 posted on 12/17/2012 1:51:03 PM PST by nascarnation (Baraq's economic policy: trickle up poverty)
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To: palmer

How do you get I’m against guns and TOTAL freedom (I.e., we should be allowed to have fighter jets if we want) from that? I’m sick of these assumptions just because I tire of the old simplistic statements. Baseless.


42 posted on 12/17/2012 1:57:15 PM PST by the OlLine Rebel (Common sense is an uncommon virtue./Technological progress cannot be legislated.)
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To: fungoking
Correct. Plus every parent is simply not equipped to home school their own children, either from the knowledge base or the patience base. It is not something just anybody can do.

The problem isn't public schools, it is the radicalization of them into indoctrination factories for the nanny state.

There are good, dedicated, values and conscience driven teachers in the public schools. The main problem is that there are not enough of them.

43 posted on 12/17/2012 2:00:35 PM PST by Vigilanteman (Obama: Fake black man. Fake Messiah. Fake American. How many fakes can you fit in one Zer0?)
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To: fungoking

So apparently your whole point in posting was to warn HS’ing folks?


44 posted on 12/17/2012 2:01:58 PM PST by Osage Orange ( Liberalism, ideas so good they have to be mandatory.)
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To: SoldierDad
I'm a bit surprised you are maybe just now "totally disgusted"......??

This has been their behavior for 25 yrs now....although granted it's more intense.

45 posted on 12/17/2012 2:08:19 PM PST by Osage Orange ( Liberalism, ideas so good they have to be mandatory.)
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To: fungoking

The Left must be wetting themselves.

Now they get to demonize gun owners, preppers, and homeschoolers.

Have they found out if she’s a Republican or a Freeper yet ?


46 posted on 12/17/2012 2:20:18 PM PST by PLMerite (Shut the Beyotch Down! Burn, baby, burn!)
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To: TalBlack

No question it’d be better if people could just openly freely carry. But it’s still full of suppositions as the liberal view. Yes I’d rather they all had guns than not allowed, but it’s never that simple. Maybe 1 staffer would have a gun and be shot 1st thing, no one else getting it either. Having a guardian dog would be best - they alert everyone, they don’t hesitate to use their weapons, and often just the presence keeps the goons away, period. But I’m not denying they can be shot and killed before doing any good, either. It’s never as simple as our ideal scenarios.


47 posted on 12/17/2012 2:30:01 PM PST by the OlLine Rebel (Common sense is an uncommon virtue./Technological progress cannot be legislated.)
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To: SoldierDad

We put them under those pressures because many of our main economic competitors are also putting their kids under the same pressure. To get any sort of merit money for college you have to walk on water. In addition once you get into college you better believe that the other kids, many 1st generation Americans, have pounded the books since they were little. You can’t fake your way in a Calculus or a Physics class. I am not having my daughter look at exclusive private colleges because the pressure/payback is just too great. I also rearranged her schedule so she would take online college classes instead of high school classes (she had four finals in one day in high school both semesters - in her hardest four academic subjects). The stress was awful. With online college classes she can set the time in which she takes her tests so the material may be comparable, but the preparation and stress level are optimized.


48 posted on 12/17/2012 2:43:47 PM PST by exhaustguy
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To: fungoking

Using the Newtown massacre to discipline FReepers?


49 posted on 12/17/2012 3:08:50 PM PST by Gene Eric (Demoralization is a weapon of the enemy. Don't get it, don't spread it!)
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To: Uncle Chip

When the smoke settles and we find out more about this pathetic cowardly loser that masscared the 27 people, it would not surprise me in the least to learn that he was a guilt-ridden homosexual who couldn’t live with himself any longer because of his degenerate behavior. The mother he murdered being the one he blamed on his homosexuality. She probably made him wear dresses and put lipstick on. I am saying this because a a majority of mass murderers turn out to be homosexuals that hate themselves.


50 posted on 12/17/2012 3:15:31 PM PST by NKP_Vet
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