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Excellent article by Codrea. Longer than the source excerpted.
1 posted on 12/15/2012 6:18:06 PM PST by Red in Blue PA
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2 posted on 12/15/2012 6:21:01 PM PST by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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It’s time for SCOTUS to get off its @$$ and “decide” that the Second Amendment is an individual right guaranteed to EVERY AMERICAN and that it doesn’t have anything to do with hunting or the National Guard. Enough beating around the bush.


3 posted on 12/15/2012 6:21:49 PM PST by FlingWingFlyer (It's not about the guns. It's about the control.)
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The left is not interested in a National Conversation on guns - any more than they were interested in a national conversation on healthcare.

They’re going to disarm us.

Anything short of that will be shouted down as evil extremism.


4 posted on 12/15/2012 6:23:29 PM PST by Tzimisce (What do you do when every every branch of the government is corrupt and aligned against you?)
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Off topic Codrea article. Worth your time. Ping.


5 posted on 12/15/2012 6:24:16 PM PST by MestaMachine (It's the !!!!TREASON!!!!, stupid!)
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It all comes down to “Do you bare your throat to Obama”, and use’em or lose’em time.


12 posted on 12/15/2012 6:32:13 PM PST by Hardraade (http://junipersec.wordpress.com (Vendetta))
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If we are going to talk about guns anyway, let’s also talk about ARMED ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS that sneak across our porous border that Janet Napolitano refuses to seal off. Are we just supposed to be sitting ducks for those criminals?? Maybe some liberal can explain THAT to me?


13 posted on 12/15/2012 6:32:13 PM PST by bergmeid (FUBO)
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It’s high time to put a halt to gun-crazed Hollywood. The majority of television shows, movies, and video games are violent.


16 posted on 12/15/2012 6:46:34 PM PST by stars & stripes forever (Blessed is the nation whose God is the Lord!)
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Time for a conversation on mental health system is more appropriate.


19 posted on 12/15/2012 6:54:51 PM PST by ImJustAnotherOkie (zerogottago)
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I’ve been a NRA member for most of my life and here are a few of my observations. After which I will get flamed.
1. As an owner of many firearms, I would give them all up if I thought they would save the lives of these precious kindergarteners.( I do not think this would happen)

2. This horrific, demonic, evil killing is an extension of liberals wantonly killing over 50 million babies via abortion.

3. Our country is a post Christian country that wants nothing to do with God’s laws. Evil always attacks the innocent children 1st.

4. There are some aspects of the gun culture that I believe need to be curbed. People obsessed with AR type rifles and extended magazines should carefully check their motives to make sure they are there to protect the truly innocent.

5. This is the 5th or so senseless slaying of innocents in the past few years, Something is seriously amiss in American Culture.

6. People with any degree of aggressive mental health problems should be prevented from owning firearms (I know this would not have helped the present situation)

7. Because of our nihilistic culture and our dismissal of God from our public life, It is necessary to put metal detectors and armed policeman in our public schools.

8. having said all of this I do stand by my moniker. All competent Americans have a constitutional right to keep and bear arms. With it comes tremendous responsibility. Anything we say in the days ahead should be prefaced with concern and prayers for the 20 some innocent children that had their lives snuffed out by a deranged, probably video-gamed brainwashed moral cretin who should have been institutionalized at the 1st hint of homicidal behavior.


20 posted on 12/15/2012 6:58:58 PM PST by 2nd Amendment
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“If you saw someone methodically murdering children”

I’d use what ever weapon I had at hand to kill the scumbag. If that was my hands or my teeth, I’d use them. He’d probably kill me, but maybe it would give kids a chance to get the heck out of there.

Locking down and cowering in place seems like something for cotton-tailed rabbits, not humans. If there is no one to stop the maniac (e.g., an armed guard or teacher), then kids running to safety seems preferable to providing groups of kids for the slaughter. Maybe we ought to revisit this ‘roll up and play dead’ strategy for dealing with school shootings. As well as the silly ‘gun free zones’ which only apply to law-abiding citizens and not the locos.


21 posted on 12/15/2012 7:05:29 PM PST by Betis70 ("Leading from Behind" gets your Ambassador killed)
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We had a family discussion on the issue today:

Dad, to 11-y/o daughter: “What’s the only thing that can stop a bad guy with a gun?”

Smart 11-year-old daughter: “A good guy with a gun?”


22 posted on 12/15/2012 7:06:26 PM PST by AbnSarge
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No people will tamely surrender their Liberties, nor can any be easily subdued, when knowledge is diffused and Virtue is preserved. On the Contrary, when People are universally ignorant, and debauched in their Manners, they will sink under their own weight without the Aid of foreign Invaders.

Samuel Adams, letter to James Warren, 4 November 1775

Let us contemplate our forefathers, and posterity, and resolve to maintain the rights bequeathed to us from the former, for the sake of the latter. The necessity of the times, more than ever, calls for our utmost circumspection, deliberation, fortitude and perseverance. Let us remember that “if we suffer tamely a lawless attack upon our liberty, we encourage it, and involve others in our doom,” it is a very serious consideration ... that millions yet unborn may be the miserable sharers of the event.

Samuel Adams, 1771


25 posted on 12/15/2012 7:14:12 PM PST by seowulf ("If you write a whole line of zeroes, it's still---nothing"...Kira Alexandrovna Argounova)
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BTTT

Why the Gun is Civilization

A Nation of Cowards


Pacifism: The Ultimate Immorality by Raymond Kraft

Last week, Jack and Jill Pacifisto were walking home through the park after dinner with friends, during which they had spent a few hours discussing the immorality of violence and war and their commitments to send more money to progressive activists over the next year. Suddenly, Tony Thug stepped out of the shadows and pointed a pistol at Jack and said, “Give me your wallet,” and, pointing the gun at Jill, “Your purse.”

“What?” asked Jack, incredulous, “Hey, we don’t want any trouble. We’re pacifists. We aren’t going to hurt you.”

“Not my problem,” said Tony, “Gimme your money.”

So Jack and Jill did, and then Tony said, “And now gimme your watches, rings, jewelry, everything worth anything.”

“Hey,” said Jill, “This is my wedding ring!”

And Tony said, “Not my problem.”

Jack and Jill handed over their wallet, and purse, and all their jewelry and Rolex watches, and then Tony shot them both twice in the chest and picked up the loot and stepped back into the shadows.

As Jill lay dying she whispered, “Jack? Why didn’t you fight back? Why didn’t you have a gun?” Those were her last words.

“I couldn’t,” whispered Jack. “I’m a pacifist.” Those were his last words.

A few days later, Bill Thaxton and his wife were walking home through the park after dinner, when Tony Thug stepped out of the shadows.

“Give me your wallet, your purse,” said Tony, pointing his gun first at Bill, and then at his wife. He did not know that Bill was an old lawman, and had been a Marine sniper when he was young, and was active in the Single Action Shooters Society and had a concealed-carry-permit. Tony assumed that the old man was just an old man with some money and a few credit cards in his wallet walking home from dinner.

“Sorry, friend, I don’t like guns, and I don’t want any trouble,” said Bill.

“Not my problem,” said Tony, “Gimme your wallet, your purse,” he said, waving the gun at Bill’s wife, “Rings, watches, everything.”

“And what if I don’t?” asked Bill.

“I’ll shoot you both. Her first,” said Tony, pointing his gun at Bill’s wife again.

“Well,” said Bill, “Okay, honey, do what he says.”

She tossed down her purse. Bill reached slowly for his left lapel with his right hand and then, like lightning, did a cross-draw with his left and came out blazing with his trusty little 9, nailing Tony three times.

As he lay on the sidewalk dying, Tony Thug was heard to mutter, “Damn, I shoulda stuck with the pacifists . . .”

An acquaintance wrote me last week to tell me proudly how he had been a pacifist since the ‘60s. His letter set me thinking about pacifism, which is the ultimate and vilest form of immorality.

If you are Hitler, or Saddam, or Osama, or Ahmadinejad, your desire to kill those you dislike is at least honest and open. You wear you hate on your sleeve and we know who and what you are. But the Pacifist wears his refusal to resist evil as if it were a badge of honor, and claims it as a sign of his or her absolute moral superiority. The Hitlers and Osamas are at least honest about who they are, the Pacifist is not. Not even to himself.

The German Pastor Martin Niemoller wrote a poem circa 1946 about the quiescence of German intellectuals in the face of the Nazi rise to power that has become famous. Translated, it reads:

When they locked up the social democrats,

I remained silent,

I was not a social democrat.

When they came for the trade unionists

I did not speak out,

I was not a trade unionist.

When they came for the Jews

I did not speak out,

I was not a Jew.

When they came for me

there was no one left to speak out.

The Pacifist says something like this, but, unlike Niemoller, without apology. He says:

When you come for my allies

I will not fight you,

for I am a Pacifist.

When you come for my countrymen

I will not fight you,

for I am a Pacifist.

When you come for my neighbor,

I will not fight you,

for I am a Pacifist.

When you come for my mother,

my father, my brother,

my sister, I will not fight you,

for I am a Pacifist.

When you come for my wife,

my husband, my son,

my daughter, I will not fight you,

for I am a Pacifist.

When you come for me,

I will not fight you,

for I am a Pacifist.

The Pacifist claims that he (or she) is too good to fight against evil, and this is the catastrophic intellectual and moral failure of Pacifism. In the guise of being too good to oppose evil, the Pacifist invokes the ultimate immorality by aiding and abetting and encouraging evil, on the pretext of being too pure, too wise, too sophisticated to fight evil, thereby turning the pretense of goodness and purity into an invocation and license for evil to act without opposition.

The moral stance of the Pacifist is, unwittingly perhaps, homicidal, genocidal, fratricidal, suicidal. The Pacifist says, in effect: “There is nothing good worth fighting for. And there is nothing so evil worth fighting against.”

The Pacifist is willing to give evil free reign, because he or she thinks or feels that fighting against evil is even worse than evil itself . . . an intellectual and moral equivocation of monumentally staggering proportions. In order to be a Pacifist, one must hold that Nazism or Islamism or Communism or any other puritanical totalitarian ideology that seeks to slaughter or oppress all the Jews or all of any other race or tribe is no worse, is not morally inferior, to the existence of Jews and Judaism, or whatever other race or tribe is the whipping boy of the day.

To be a Pacifist, one must hold that acquiescence to a Jihad that seeks to destroy Western Civilization is no worse than Western Civilization, even though the Jihad seeks to extinguish intellectual freedom, religious freedom, political freedom, and ultimately even the freedom to be a Pacifist.

As the English philosopher Edmund Burke said, “The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.” The Pacifist replies, “I am so good that I will do nothing, I will hurt no one, even if that means that good will be destroyed and evil will win. I am so peaceful that I will not discriminate between the goodness of good and the badness of evil, certainly not with enough conviction to take up arms, literally or figuratively, against the triumph of evil over good, of totalitarianism over freedom, of barbarianism over civilization.”

And so the Pacifist, perhaps unthinkingly, unwittingly, mistakenly, is deeply mired in his intellectual confusion, but surely and unequivocally, the epitome of evil itself, For the Pacifist devoutly believes that by refusing to fight against evil he is affirming that he is good, too good and pure to oppose evil, too good and pure to fight evil, to good and pure to kill evil. But in the end, he is the enabler without whom the triumph of evil would not be possible.



27 posted on 12/15/2012 7:18:50 PM PST by EdReform (Oath Keepers - Guardians of the Republic - Honor your oath - Join us: www.oathkeepers.org)
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It’s time to have that national conversation on the unhospitalized, free-roaming mentally ill.


33 posted on 12/15/2012 7:44:52 PM PST by livius
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Excellent article. Changing the argument to arming and training teachers as the conversation starter.

Earlier today, I received a facebook petition titled, We must have this conversation, from a teacher friend. I said teachers should be armed. She was aghast. I asked her how we could trust our children with them if they couldn't even trust themselves with a weapon? Of course no answer except she would never want to have a gun.

Oh, I also wrote I was offended at these groups who planned to exploit the shooting for their own agenda. That one received quite a few likes.

38 posted on 12/15/2012 8:30:45 PM PST by Betty Jane
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Let us start by having a national conversation about moral relativism and liberal denial that evil exists in this world.


41 posted on 12/15/2012 8:43:00 PM PST by theBuckwheat
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It's time to have a converstaion about mind altering drugs BAN THESE DRUGS

http://www.ssristories.com/

These facts are known by the politicians.

These side effects have been acknowledged by the drug companies.

One begins to wonder if the fascists in our gov’t - who know the first step in taking over a country is the necessity of stripping citizens of their guns - didn't go to the drug companies and make a deal to develop these drugs - for this purpose. The fact that these gun-controllers, from the president on down, were loud and clear in demanding gun-control, using this tragedy for their agenda, while those little bodies were still in that school speaks volumes!

Yes, such evil exists. It operates on such high levels because decent people can't conceive of such raw evil.
We need to acknowledge it.

We need to let our politicians and media KNOW we know - and know THEY know - and demand they answer us individually.

BAN THESE DRUGS...and those that demand gun-control. They are even more dangerous.

44 posted on 12/15/2012 9:10:02 PM PST by maine-iac7 (Christian is as Christian does - by their fruits)
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Answers................

http://evansayet.com/lies-only-when-republicans-tell-them-right/

http://evansayet.com/dems-seek-only-to-mitigate-the-consequences-of-the-evil-that-they-promote/

http://evansayet.com/dems-seek-only-to-mitigate-the-consequences-of-the-evil-that-they-promote/


45 posted on 12/15/2012 9:29:58 PM PST by hosepipe (This propaganda has been edited to include some fully orbed hyperbole..)
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48 posted on 12/15/2012 9:57:53 PM PST by MtnMan101
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49 posted on 12/15/2012 10:00:16 PM PST by MtnMan101
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