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Abraham Lincoln, Stepfather of Our Country
The New American ^ | 11/11/2012 | John J. Dwyer

Posted on 12/15/2012 3:17:01 AM PST by IbJensen

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To: Lil Flower

yes him and kerosene billy.


41 posted on 12/15/2012 8:45:30 AM PST by old gringo
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To: Lil Flower

yes him and kerosene billy.


42 posted on 12/15/2012 8:47:11 AM PST by old gringo
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To: rockrr

Does The New American still think Eisenhower was a Commie?

43 posted on 12/15/2012 8:57:55 AM PST by x
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To: central_va; Sherman Logan; Ditto
If you read closely Lincoln's Second Inaugural Address, he s much as admits the he turned down parlay with a southern peace delegation.

He's doing the Confederates a courtesy by assuming that they did not actually want the war that they started. So much for doing favors to those who don't deserve them.

This twisted Goebellesque remark by the Illinois Butcher™ was typical BS from a hated President.

Hard to tell if you mean Joseph Goebbels or George Gobel in this sentence.

Either way, it's the same illiterate garbage as always.

44 posted on 12/15/2012 9:12:17 AM PST by x
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To: IbJensen
That should be Lerone Bennett, Jr., not "Lenore." His best-known book is Before the Mayflower.
45 posted on 12/15/2012 9:13:14 AM PST by Verginius Rufus
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To: IbJensen

Actually, any blood is on the hands of the southron slavrocracy that instigated, conspired, and perpetuated war on their own country. A pox upon their miserable memories.


46 posted on 12/15/2012 9:43:01 AM PST by rockrr (Everything is different now...)
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To: x

I see the true leftist ancestral blood seeping out from the confed apologists this morning. What a shame. They attempt to rationalize and apologize away The Great Insurrection and cloak it is some twisted and tortured respect of the Constitution when in truth the south crapped on the constitution.


47 posted on 12/15/2012 9:58:36 AM PST by rockrr (Everything is different now...)
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To: DJ Taylor
However, these Union soldiers votes were counted by Radical Republican Union Officers, and surprise, surprise the fraudulently counted votes of the Union Army threw the election to Lincoln.

Twelve states allowed absentee voting by soldiers. Lincoln got 119,754 to McClellan's 34,291. This was despite Democratic Party measures to prevent soldiers from voting. (Amazing how things stay the same, isn't it?)

Lincoln won the popular vote by over 500k, so obviously the soldier vote didn't change that result, though it might have made the difference in some states.

In particular, would you like to present something vaguely resembling evidence that Union Army officers counted the absentee votes, or at any rate counted them all? Here is some evidence that sealed ballots were mailed back to the home state and counted by officials there.

http://www.co.washington.ny.us/PDF/His/ABSENTEE%20BALLOTS%20FOR%20SOLDIERS1864.pdf

What do you got, besides a whine?

48 posted on 12/15/2012 10:01:40 AM PST by Sherman Logan (Brought to you by one of the pale penis people.)
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To: sassy steel magnolia
But I also grew up hearing how the South was treated so badly after the war, how brutal Reconstruction was, and how the South still paid a heavy price for its rebellion and secession.

Do you have any historical knowledge of how the losers in other great civil wars were treated?

In the English Civil Wars the leaders (and many of the followers) were proscribed, their property confiscated and they were often executed.

In the Spanish Civil War somewhere between 100,000 and 500,000 of the losing side were executed after the war was over.

In the Taiping Rebellion, which took place about the same time as our War, 20M to 30M people died, many of them civilians massacred by the Manchu after the end of the fighting.

After the WBTS, the number executed in revenge by the winners was somewhat smaller. Exactly one, in fact.

49 posted on 12/15/2012 10:16:51 AM PST by Sherman Logan (Brought to you by one of the pale penis people.)
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To: Sherman Logan

I was only quoting the professor who presented a lecture on the election of 1864 during a History course I took at George Mason University back in 1998. If you would like to discuss this subject with him, I can provide his name.


50 posted on 12/15/2012 11:33:26 AM PST by DJ Taylor (Once again our country is at war, and once again the Democrats have sided with our enemy.)
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To: Sherman Logan

And, as for “What do you gots beside a whine,” I don’t exchange insults with those who hide behind anonymity on the internet.


51 posted on 12/15/2012 11:50:12 AM PST by DJ Taylor (Once again our country is at war, and once again the Democrats have sided with our enemy.)
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To: wastedyears

A former Yankee, I’ve lived in the Southwest and the South for most of my life (I prefer the climate).

Everyone I hear down here who writes or speaks of the War calls it the “Civil War.” I am surprised that they don’t call it the “War Between the States,” “The War of Southern Independence,” or the “War of Northern Aggression.”

It could be that most of them are not very deep into American History.


52 posted on 12/15/2012 12:01:04 PM PST by Erasmus (Zwischen des Teufels und des tiefen, blauen Meers)
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To: IbJensen

Using Lincoln’s history as a lesson about Obama, we find Obama certainly could do unconstitutional and tyrannical acts just as Lincoln did. In fact, Obama consideres himself to be a modern day lincoln.


53 posted on 12/15/2012 12:06:55 PM PST by CodeToad (Liberals are bloodsucking ticks. We need to light the matchstick to burn them off.)
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To: IncPen

The moral high ground of these anti-Lincoln tropes is always undercut by the fact that the south had slaves.

Drives the Lost Cause nuts when you bring that up.”

So did the North.

Drives the yankee nuts when you bring that up.


54 posted on 12/15/2012 12:08:55 PM PST by CodeToad (Liberals are bloodsucking ticks. We need to light the matchstick to burn them off.)
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To: Sherman Logan
The War of Secession was only a civil war from the standpoint of those who denied the right of the Southern states to secede. From the Southern perspective, they were no longer part of the US and had no desire to impose their rule on the North. In other civil wars it's usually a question of wanting to control the whole country--as in the Spanish Civil War or the English Civil War. The Nigerian Civil War may be more like ours--it was one section of the country wanting to become independent. The war which led to the independence of Bangladesh could be considered the Pakistani Civil War, but again it was one area wanting to separate from the rest.

It would be interesting to know how many South Vietnamese were killed by the Communists after their victory in 1975--again, a civil war from one perspective (the North's)--but there was an unspoken agreement after the fall of South Vietnam not to learn how many were killed by the Communists. Tito killed many of his opponents after winning what was both a civil war and a war against foreign occupation.

Charles II had a few of those most responsible for his father's beheading executed. Later, when Bacon's Rebellion was put down in Virginia, he was upset at the governor of Virginia for killing more people in punishment for that than he had killed for killing his father.

55 posted on 12/15/2012 12:09:58 PM PST by Verginius Rufus
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To: CodeToad

must really suck though, that not one northern senator went to the floor to defend slavery...like the Southern states senators did


56 posted on 12/15/2012 12:20:03 PM PST by RaceBannon (When Chuck Norris goes to bed, he checks under it for Clint Eastwood!)
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To: RaceBannon

57 posted on 12/15/2012 12:22:29 PM PST by CodeToad (Liberals are bloodsucking ticks. We need to light the matchstick to burn them off.)
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To: CodeToad

yep

lost causers, still trying to justify racism, shooting innocent men at Ft Sumter with no cause...

yep.


58 posted on 12/15/2012 1:00:12 PM PST by RaceBannon (When Chuck Norris goes to bed, he checks under it for Clint Eastwood!)
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To: IbJensen

Lincoln is the greatest president this country ever had. Southerners got what they deserved for their defense of slavery and their attempt to destroy our country. If any thing they got off easy.


59 posted on 12/15/2012 1:04:46 PM PST by Sarabaracuda (Keep guns out of the hands of lunatics or the government will keep guns out of your hands.)
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To: CodeToad
The moral high ground of these anti-Lincoln tropes is always undercut by the fact that the south had slaves.

Drives the Lost Cause nuts when you bring that up.”

So did the North.

Who ended it?

60 posted on 12/15/2012 3:41:37 PM PST by IncPen (Educating Barack Obama has been the most expensive project in human history)
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