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Abraham Lincoln, Stepfather of Our Country
The New American ^ | 11/11/2012 | John J. Dwyer

Posted on 12/15/2012 3:17:01 AM PST by IbJensen

“Anyone who embarks on a study of Abraham Lincoln … must first come to terms with the Lincoln myth. The effort to penetrate the crust of legend that surrounds Lincoln … is both a formidable and intimidating task. Lincoln, it seems, requires special considerations that are denied to other figures.”

— Robert W. Johannsen Lincoln, the South, and Slavery

Indeed, it would not seem a safe time to critique the wisdom, motivations, and character of Abraham Lincoln. Steven Spielberg’s reverential motion picture epic Lincoln fills screens across America. The public increasingly accepts him as America’s greatest leader. Academics from the Left — and Right — compete to bestow the grandest laurels on the 16th president.

Yet, such a pursuit is ever more important for a people hurtling forward into an uncertain future, to learn from past mistakes or merely become aware they made them. One growing consensus regarding Lincoln seems credible: He has exerted more influence over the development of this nation than any other person, including the Founders. If Washington be the father of our country, surely Lincoln is its stepfather.

This article will examine the significance of this truly larger-than-life figure’s actions regarding three of the many important issues of his time: 1) the Constitution, in particular during the War Between the States, 2) emancipation and blacks, and 3) the Radical Republicans and Reconstruction.

The Constitution

“I am the President of the United States of America — clothed in immense power!” Spielberg’s Lincoln thunders. The real Lincoln proved the truth of that claim within days of the April 12, 1861 attack on Fort Sumter. In fact, the attack might have been avoided if he had not decided to reinforce Sumter. Once it occurred, he quickly unleashed a series of watershed actions that forever altered the nature of American government.

On April 13, he declared the seceding states in a condition of rebellion and called for 75,000 troops to deal with them — a declaration expressly reserved to Congress by the Constitution: “The Congress shall have the power … To provide for calling forth the Militia to execute the Laws of the Union, suppress Insurrections and repel Invasions.”

On April 15, he called for Congress to return to session — but only on July 15, months after Ft. Sumter .

On April 19, he declared a naval blockade of the South.

On April 21, he instructed the U.S. Navy to buy five warships — an appropriations act needing congressional approval.

On April 27, he began the unprecedented act of suspending the constitutional right of habeas corpus.

On May 3, he called up thousands more troops — for three-year hitches — another act the law did not authorize the president to commit.

At about the same time, he ordered the Department of Treasury to pay two million dollars to a New York City company to outfit and arm his army — another appropriations act needing congressional approval.

Each one of these acts — and many more soon to follow — violated the U.S. Constitution. The majority of the U.S. public supported him, however, as the American people have supported other presidents since, when they felt the need to break the Constitution “for the public good.”

This early series of moves proved breathtaking in its shrewd efficiency. For instance, by not calling Congress back into session until July, Lincoln presented it with a fait accompli upon its return: a war months old from which there was now no turning back, unless Lincoln decided such, which he had no intention of doing. Whether or not Congress would have declared war on the South as had Lincoln, it now saw no choice but to fight.

Even Massachusetts’ Senator Charles Sumner, one of the spearheads of the Radical postwar Reconstruction and certainly no friend of the South, said: “When Lincoln reinforced Sumter and called for 75,000 men without the consent of Congress, it was the greatest breach ever made in the Constitution, and would hereafter give the President the liberty to declare war whenever he wished, without the consent of Congress.”

All this came from the hand of Lincoln, a man who as a U.S. congressman in 1848 declared: “Any people anywhere, being inclined and having the power, have the right to rise up and shake off the existing government, and form a new one that suits them better. This is a most valuable, a most sacred right — a right which we hope and believe is to liberate the world. Nor is this right confined to cases in which the whole people of an existing government may choose to exercise it. Any portion of such people, that can, may revolutionize and make their own so much of the territory as they inhabit.’’

In his landmark book The Real Lincoln, Loyola College economics professor and Lincoln scholar Thomas DiLorenzo recounted how Lincoln also unlawfully “nationalized the railroads; created three new states without the consent of the citizens of those states in order to artificially inflate the Republican Party’s electoral vote; ordered Federal troops to interfere with Northern elections to assure Republican Party victories; deported Ohio Congressman Clement L. Vallandigham for opposing his domestic policies (especially protectionist tariffs and income taxation) on the floor of the House of Representatives; confiscated private property, including firearms, in violation of the Second Amendment; and effectively gutted the Tenth and Ninth Amendments as well.”

Maryland, My Maryland

Soon, the Lincoln administration crossed yet another historic line. Without notifying targeted members of the Maryland legislature of charges, or indeed possessing any charges, its troops hauled dozens of legislators it suspected of supporting secession out of their homes in front of their families in the darkness of night and threw them into prison.

The prison was temporarily located at Fort McHenry, from where Francis Scott Key wrote “The Star Spangled Banner.” In fact, Key’s own grandson would be among the host flung into captivity at the fort. He would write eloquently in American Bastille of how much the nation had changed in less than a half century, as he looked upon the U.S. flag flying at the same location as it was when his grandfather wrote his famous stanzas.

Thousands of Federal soldiers from other states voted in Maryland’s November 1861 elections, while local residents had to pass through formations of bayonet-brandishing Federals to cast their ballots. The Maryland legislature, prior to its collective jailing by Lincoln, declared: “Resolved, that Maryland implores the President, in the name of God, to cease this unholy war, at least until Congress assembles; that Maryland desires and consents to the recognition of the independence of the Confederate States. The military occupation of Maryland is unconstitutional, and she protests against it, though the violent interference with the transit of federal troops is discountenanced, that the vindication of her rights be left to time and reason, and that a Convention, under existing circumstances, is inexpedient.”

Opposing Supreme Court

Only weeks after the war commenced in 1861, Lincoln suspended the writ of habeas corpus, one of the foundational pillars of American — and Western — liberty, and preeminent among all provisions of the Bill of Rights. The right of habeas corpus (Latin for “you may have the body”) is sourced in England’s ancient Magna Carta. It requires a warrant be issued by a legitimate law-enforcement authority before a person can be arrested, prevents the jailing of a person without his being charged with a specific crime, and prohibits indefinite detention of that person without the opportunity of appearing before a legally convened court for the exercise of his rights and the hearing of his case.

Despite the central place of habeas corpus in American liberty and an armada of opinion ranging from British jurist William Blackstone to American Chief Justice John Marshall to President Thomas Jefferson that only Congress — and never the president — could suspend habeas corpus, Lincoln’s administration did just that in thousands of cases against the citizens of Federal states. (The power to suspend habeas corpus “when in Cases of Rebellion or Invasion the public Safety may require it” is in Article I, the section of the Constitution enumerating congressional power.)

Federal troops arrested Marylander John Merryman without a warrant, jailed him — at Fort McHenry — and kept him there without opportunity for trial or defense. He appealed to the esteemed Supreme Court Chief Justice Roger B. Taney, who had already freed his own slaves.

It is difficult to conceive of the political climate in which Taney received this plea. Every day, Federal officers hauled citizens of every stripe — politicians, newspaper publishers, attorneys, business owners, common workers — from their homes and places of business for voicing the slightest criticism of the U.S. government or Lincoln, flung them into jail, and left them there. Taney had no illusions but that that fate likely awaited him if he crossed the president. Yet he ordered the release of the jailed man. Lincoln commanded his soldiers to refuse. The chief justice then penned Ex Parte Merryman, an opinion now famous in constitutional law. Delivered directly to Lincoln at his office, it informed the president that he, not Merryman, was breaching the law and the Constitution, and it ordered Merryman’s release.

At this point, Lincoln did issue a warrant of arrest — for Taney. Lincoln apologists deny this action, but contemporary witnesses corroborate it. Though longtime Lincoln colleague and Federal Marshal of Washington Ward Hill Lamon declined to serve the warrant, Lincoln had established that neither Congress, the Supreme Court, nor the Constitution would stand in the way of his carrying out the actions he deemed best for the country.

Chief Justice Roger Brooke Taney, 85 years old when President Lincoln issued the warrant for his arrest and dead before the end of the war, wrote in Ex Parte Merryman: “If the President of the United States may suspend the writ [of habeas corpus], then the Constitution of the United States has conferred upon him more regal and absolute power over the liberty of the citizen than the people of England have thought it safe to entrust to the crown — a power which the Queen of England cannot exercise to this day, and which could not have been lawfully exercised by the sovereign even in the reign of Charles the First.”

That king got beheaded for his dictatorial actions.

The Lincoln administration continued to express great concern over Northerners who did not exhibit what it considered sufficient loyalty, or sufficiently enthusiastic loyalty, to the United States and its war effort. After suspending habeas corpus, the president and his lieutenants shut down over 300 Northern newspapers during the struggle, throwing many of their editors and publishers in jail or prison without trials and often without charges. Approximately 13,000 other Northern citizens met the same fate.

Lincoln’s justification: “Measures, however unconstitutional, might become lawful by becoming indispensable to the preservation of the Constitution, through the preservation of the nation.”

Blacks and Slavery

Abraham Lincoln’s own words on the issue of African-American slavery would shock anyone who accepts the popular myth that Lincoln was the “Great Emancipator.” While he never uttered a word against the Illinois law that made it a crime for blacks to settle in his home state, he did declare, in Springfield, on July 17, 1858: “What I would desire most would be the separation of the white and black races.”

During his famed 1858 Illinois Senate debates with Stephen Douglas, Lincoln offered eloquent criticism of American slavery, while demonstrating how different his anti-slavery views were from those of abolitionists who sought not only freedom, but political and social equality, for blacks:

Make Negroes politically and socially our equals? My own feelings will not admit of this. I will say that I am not nor ever have been in favor of bringing about in any way the social and political equality of the white and black races, that I am not nor have ever been in favor of making voters or jurors of Negroes, nor of qualifying them to hold office, nor to intermarry with white people. And I will say in addition to this that there is a physical difference between the white and black races which I believe will forever forbid the two races living together on terms of social and political equality. And in as much as they cannot so live, while they do remain together, there must be the position of superior and inferior. And I, as much as any other man, am in favor of having the superior position assigned to the white race.

Did his views change later, as president? In 1862, he declared: “My paramount object in this struggle is to save the Union and is not either to save or destroy slavery. If I could save the Union without freeing any slaves, I would do it. And if I could save it by freeing all the slaves, I would do it. And if I could save it by freeing some and leaving others alone, I would also do that.”

Emancipation Proclamation

Yet, he “freed” the slaves the following year. Evidence abounds, from Lincoln’s own words as well as his actions, that something besides a desire to end African-American bondage fueled his historic Emancipation Proclamation. U.S. Senate Republicans launched a revolt against Lincoln in mid-December 1862, just before he signed the proclamation into law.

According to Lincoln’s old friend, Illinois Representative Orville Browning, and others, the senators demanded the president conduct a more resolute war effort, including emancipating all African-American slaves in America. They apparently threatened to bring down his administration otherwise.

Orville Browning’s diary of December 31, 1862 recorded that Judge Benjamin Franklin Thomas of the Massachusetts Supreme Court told the regretful Browning: “The President was fatally bent upon his course, saying that if he should refuse to issue his proclamation there would be a rebellion in the north, and that a dictator would be placed over his head within the week.”

This enhanced, Radical Republican-dominated effort evidently included emancipation as a method of war that would torpedo the South’s economy and ability to defend itself. A slave uprising lay within the sphere of this projection. A howling chorus of protest arose to the proclamation not only from the South, but from many of Lincoln’s opponents in the North, as well as in Europe. Horatio Seymour, soon-to-be Democratic governor of New York, called the scheme “a proposal for the butchery of [white Southern] women and children, for scenes of lust and rapine, arson and murder, unparalleled in the history of the world.”

Relations between Southern slaves and their owners proved superior to such an eventuality. But Lincoln himself, when told the Constitution gave individual states and not the national government jurisdiction over slavery, claimed emancipation as a war powers act that he as commander in chief could employ — for military purposes. Indeed, he eliminated from an early draft of the decree a call for a violent uprising of slaves.

Lincoln’s Emancipation Proclamation quelled the Senate revolt. But his lackluster feelings for it resurfaced when he eschewed the urgings of much of his Cabinet, including Seward, Chase, Blair, and Bates, and confined his decree to those slaves in Confederate-controlled territory. That is, he freed none of the slaves over which he had control when he had the opportunity.

Wrote Lincoln’s colleague Lamon: “None of [Lincoln’s] public acts, either before or after he became President, exhibits any special tenderness for the African race.... When he was compelled, by what he deemed an overruling necessity, founded on both military and political considerations, to declare the freedom of [only the Confederates’] slaves, he did so with avowed reluctance, and took pains to have it understood that his resolution was in no wise affected by sentiment.” Lamon’s perspective on Lincoln’s actions once again seems on solid ground, in view of the president’s 1861 revocation of Federal General John Fremont’s bold emancipation of slaves in Missouri. That countermanding infuriated abolitionists and conservatives alike in the North, albeit for different reasons.

A portion of the completed Emancipation Proclamation addressed another view Lincoln had in mind for Southern, but not Union border state, slaves — “impressment” into the Federal armies, often against their will. A horrendous 68,000 of the 186,000 African-Americans who shouldered arms for Lincoln’s armies died during the war. They provided significant manpower in the desperate struggle, however, and deprived the Confederates of their services.

In the end, Lincoln’s Emancipation Proclamation exhibited political sagacity and brilliance, hastened the demise of American slavery, probably triggered the deaths of tens of thousands more men — including many former slaves — than would otherwise have occurred, and likely contributed to America’s future morass in racial relations. In contrast, nearly every other Western Hemisphere nation that practiced slavery ended the practice peaceably. Britain, worldwide purveyors of the slave trade, did so as well, through the patient, often frustrating, but ultimately pacific emancipation effort spearheaded by the devout Christian William Wilberforce.

Freedom and Deportation

But didn’t Lincoln yearn to keep slavery out of the new territories and states of the West? Yes, along with all black people. “Now irrespective of the moral aspect of this question as to whether there is a right or wrong in enslaving a Negro,” he said, “I am still in favor of our new Territories being in such a condition that white men may find a home.… I am in favor of this not merely … for our own people who are born amongst us, but as an outlet for free white people everywhere, the world over.”

What if Congress refused to grant Lincoln’s desire for this sprawling, whites-only enclave? “We shall nobly save, or meanly lose, the last best, hope of earth,” he said.

Thus appears an even more startling revelation, as Lincoln stated in 1857 and many times before and after: “Let us be brought to believe it is morally right … to transfer the African to his native clime … however great the task may be. The children of Israel, to such numbers as to include four hundred thousand fighting men, went out of Egyptian bondage in a body.”

Lincoln, as did other presidents before him, wished the permanent shipment of as much of the African-American population as possible to foreign lands, and colonies established for them.

He advocated “emancipation … deportation … and their places be … filled up by free white laborers,” in New York City in 1860.

“But if gradual emancipation and deportation be adopted, they [blacks] will have neither to flee … till new homes can be found for them, in congenial climes, and with people of their own blood and race,” he declared in his 1862 State of the Union address.

This long desire resounded through the halls of Congress when he asked that body the same year to pass a constitutional amendment “colonizing free colored persons, with their own consent, at any place or places without the United States.”

President Lincoln “zealously and persistently devised schemes for the deportation of the Negroes, which the latter deemed cruel and atrocious in the extreme,” his friend Lamon wrote.

Lenore Bennett, Jr., an African-American author and no conservative or friend of the Confederacy, wrote in his massive chronicle Forced Into Glory, Abraham Lincoln’s White Dream:

Lincoln proposed ... that the United States government buy the slaves and deport them to Africa or South America. This was not a passing whim. In five major policy declarations, including two State of the Union addresses and the preliminary Emancipation Proclamation, the sixteenth president of the United States publicly and officially called for the deportation of blacks. On countless other occasions, in conferences with cronies, Democratic and Republican leaders, and high government officials, he called for colonization of blacks or aggressively promoted colonization by private and official acts.

According to Bennett, the president put his plans into action when “three months after signing the Emancipation Proclamation, Lincoln became the first and last American president to officially deport native-born Americans for racial reasons, sending some 450 blacks, one-third of them women and children, to an island off the coast of Haiti to establish the first Lincoln colony. The island was a desolate place full of poisonous insects and snakes, and the whole affair ended in a comic-opera disaster, with scores of casualties and the survivors covered with bugs and suffering from various illnesses.”

Lincoln didn’t ignore free African-Americans, either. He lauded the American Colonization Society, established to ship blacks out of America, saying he “considered it no demerit in the society, that it tended to relieve slaveholders from the troublesome presence of the free Negroes.” He was anything but bashful about the subject, declaring in his first State of the Union address: “[It] might well be well to consider, too, whether the free colored people already in the United States could not, so far as individuals may desire, be included in such colonization.”

Radical Reconstruction

“By the gods, there will be no trouble now in running this government,” Radical Republican Senator Ben Wade promised, upon the murder of Abraham Lincoln by famed actor John Wilkes Booth. Wade scarcely overstated what lay ahead in the postwar United States with his wing of the dominant Republican Party in charge.

As America’s most terrible conflict ground to a blood-drenched conclusion in the spring of 1865, the military leaders of both sides wished for a return to productive lives for the Confederate population and a peaceful welcoming them back into the fold by Unionists. Lincoln also wished to put the war — which his side had won and which had devastated both the population and property of the Confederates — behind them, to welcome the South back into the social and commercial fold, and to resume building the United States, now with the Industrial Revolutionized might of the North, the Union preserved, and the slaves freed. But that war, for which Lincoln himself provided the guiding hand, had hurt too many and destroyed too many others. Countless Southerners would no doubt have put the same bullet into Lincoln’s head that John Wilkes Booth did. Among Booth’s last words upon his own death a few days later: “Tell Mother I died for my country.”

Radical Republicans had existed in sometimes uneasy alliance and sometimes tense conflict with the pragmatic president. They held ideological convictions he did not. Like Lincoln, they wished for a centralized national government, but for different reasons. They intended to wield it as a cudgel in pursuit of a generally socialistic political platform. As a group, they were social progressives and either abolitionists or strongly anti-slavery. Many did not share the traditionalist Christianity common to Northern conservatives and Southerners. For Radical Republicans, embittered and philosophically reinvigorated by the harrowing marathon of war, the death of Lincoln both cleared the way and further motivated them for harshly “reconstructing” a Confederacy that stood diametrically opposed to them in nearly every conceivable way.

With both the Confederates and Lincoln gone, the Radical Republicans unleashed a hurricane of change. They sent Southern congressmen home when the latter arrived in Washington, D.C., to resume representation of their states. Supposedly well-intentioned Radical programs like the Freedman’s Bureau and the Civil Rights Bill resulted in the legally sanctioned theft of vast tracts of land owned by former Confederates. When President Andrew Johnson opposed their unconstitutional actions, they stripped power from him — impeaching him in the House and coming within one Senate vote of removing him from office.

The Radicals put their heart into passing three new constitutional amendments that officially ended all American slavery, granted citizenship to African-Americans, and extended to them the right to vote. Ruthless and unconstitutional tactics riddled even these laudatory accomplishments, however; and many white former Confederates lost their own rights to vote and to hold office. Plus, one of the new amendments, the 14th, laid the groundwork for the federal government to greatly expand its own power through future amendments and court interpretations.

Dissatisfied with the response to their program from a crushed people now humiliated by military occupation and beset with economic calamity, the Radicals jettisoned the legal jurisdiction guaranteed to states by the Constitution; deprived hundreds, perhaps thousands, of Southerners of their constitutional right to trial by a jury of their peers for crimes ranging from assault to murder; filled juries with Radical sympathizers and supporters; and gave Republican President Ulysses S. Grant the unilateral right both to unleash martial law and to suspend the writ of habeas corpus. No Southern citizen had a right to redress in any of these situations.

This ruthless reign of one-party dominance led to carpetbag governments backed by the bayonet; a cavalcade of government-supported private-sector boondoggles, such as the railroads, mining, and Wall Street financial speculators; the robber barons; the Black Friday Stock Market Crash; the most corrupt presidential administration (Grant’s) in U.S. history; the Gilded Age; the Ku Klux Klan; lasting enmity between the black and white races in the South; and the permanent recasting of what Radical leader Wendell Phillips branded “a covenant with death, and an agreement with hell” — the American Constitution.

Short and Sweet

Upwards of 20,000 books have come off the printing presses about Abraham Lincoln, with seemingly as many opinions regarding the central driving force behind his historic actions. So what was it? Lincoln himself summed up his “political principles” when he first ran for political office, the Illinois State Legislature, in 1832: “I presume you all know who I am. I am humble Abraham Lincoln. My policies are short and sweet, like the old woman’s dance. I am in favor of a National Bank, in favor of the Internal improvements system, and in favor of a high protective tariff.”

Never for the next 30-plus years would he veer from that course. Historian DiLorenzo called Lincoln’s presidential elections and success the triumph of mercantilism, the late 17th- and early 18th-century British system of massive dispensation of governmental favors to favored business allies.

Edgar Lee Masters concurred, chronicling how Lincoln dedicated his career to carrying forward Henry Clay’s so-called American System of government: “Henry Clay was the champion of that political system which doles favors to the strong in order to win and keep their adherence to the government. His system offered shelter to devious schemes and corrupt enterprises. He was the beloved son, figuratively speaking, of Alexander Hamilton, with his corrupt funding schemes, his superstitions concerning the advantage of a public debt, and a people taxed to make profits for enterprises that cannot stand alone.”

Lincoln’s questionable actions regarding the Constitution and blacks; his unleashing of the Federal military in an unprecedented campaign of total war against the men, women, children, and aged of the Confederate states; and his humane desires for reconciling with the South — they all lay sourced in the headwaters of a strong, consolidated nation, even empire. It offered glittering jewels for its adherents, as well as unnoticed dangers, new firebells in the night. It does so still.


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Does the phony Obama hold as his hero, Lincoln? He has done many things that smacks of imperialism.

Is this the reason Abe’s tormented soul is reputed to be haunting the White House still? Can’t he can’t find peace after what he did? More people died in the Civil War than in all other U.S. wars, combined, and their blood and the violations of the Constitution, are on his hands.

Perhaps Obama keeps bumping into Lincoln's ghost in the halls of the White Hut during the night.

1 posted on 12/15/2012 3:17:07 AM PST by IbJensen
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To: IbJensen

In modern times, Lincoln would be prosecuted as a war criminal.


2 posted on 12/15/2012 3:22:35 AM PST by txrefugee
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To: IbJensen

Any people anywhere, being inclined and having the power, have the right to rise up and shake off the existing government...

THIS, and THIS ALONE, is the reason and purpose of the 2nd Ammendment. Not hunting, target practice or collecting.

Sorry if this remark is off topic, but the Lincoln quote just seemed relevant in light of recent events.


3 posted on 12/15/2012 3:27:08 AM PST by Paisan
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To: IbJensen

I’m from Brooklyn, NY, and I’m leaning more towards calling the Civil War the War of Northern Aggression.


4 posted on 12/15/2012 3:46:17 AM PST by wastedyears (I don't want to live on this planet anymore.)
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To: IbJensen

The real Lincoln proved the truth of that claim within days of the April 12, 1861 attack on Fort Sumter. In fact, the attack might have been avoided if he had not decided to reinforce Sumter.

He didn’t just reinforce it. He ordred that the reinforcement be done in such a way as to provoke an attack to give pretense for war.


5 posted on 12/15/2012 3:46:17 AM PST by freedomfiter2 (Brutal acts of commission and yawning acts of omission both strengthen the hand of the devil.)
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To: txrefugee

In modern times, you replace ‘Lincoln’ with ‘Obama’, you can’t touch him, and his actions either go unreported by mainstream media, or are blasted all throughout the media, depending on whatever action it is.


6 posted on 12/15/2012 3:48:04 AM PST by wastedyears (I don't want to live on this planet anymore.)
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To: IbJensen

Thank you for this post.


7 posted on 12/15/2012 3:52:54 AM PST by rightly_dividing (Left behind; 4 Americans in Libya)
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To: IbJensen

Yet without that strong, resolute, and committed Lincoln, the United States would have been lost and all of the good that we have done for the world would have been lost with it.


8 posted on 12/15/2012 4:10:43 AM PST by Chainmail (A simple rule of life: if you can be blamed, you're responsible.)
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It makes one wonder, however.

By employing tactics that the leering loon currently enjoying imperial power, it would appear he’s looking over Lincoln’s shoulder.

Why history regarding Lincoln was so shaded is somewhat of a mystery. If he was passing himself as a conservative (which he definitely was not) duty bound to save the union by violating the Consitution, then the Republicrat Party should be ashamed.

I’ve often wondered what would have happened had the South won the war against the conscripted North whose ranks were packed with newly-arrived foreigners. Those who believe the Civil War was fought over slavery are seriously misguided.

There was nothing consitutional about that evil war and there’s no way, had I lived at that time, that my support wouldn’t have been with the South.


9 posted on 12/15/2012 4:38:00 AM PST by IbJensen (Liberals are like Slinkies, good for nothing, but you smile as you push them down the stairs.)
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To: IbJensen

Finally someone speaks the truth; Lincoln was a tyrant


10 posted on 12/15/2012 4:39:45 AM PST by Lil Flower (American by birth. Southern by the Grace of God! ROLL TIDE!!)
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I agree. Today, it seems like most conservative talkers of the Republican persuasion can barely clammer enough praise on Lincoln to satisfy their fetish with him. I’m one Republican who you will never hear praising Lincoln.


11 posted on 12/15/2012 4:44:32 AM PST by MachIV
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To: IbJensen

Great post, for more on Lincoln read Prof. Thomas DiLorenzo’s books on Lincoln. Lincoln, indeed, was a tyrant.


12 posted on 12/15/2012 4:47:35 AM PST by izzatzo
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To: IbJensen

More rehashed neo-confederate nonsense. The slavemasters who started the war portrayed as innocent victims of the tyrant Lincoln. No mention of the fact that secession happened long before Lincoln became President. Was Democrat Buchanan a tyrant also?

Any President had the duty to defend the Constitution and put down the rebellion. Buchanan failed to act and Lincoln acted belatedly.


13 posted on 12/15/2012 4:48:22 AM PST by iowamark
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To: Chainmail

The good we did in the 20th Century was to bail out Europe from a war that was so convoluted very few make sense of it today! We did manage to get thousands of our young men killed in order to save France’s bacon!

WWII was one where our fearless leader goaded the axis powers into an act of war. The goading began a decade or so earlier when FDR boldly informed Britain to drop Japan as one of their key allies. They did and Tokio knew why and hated us and the Brits ever since. Of course this is just one of many.

The end of the war left China in the hands of the evil Mao to kill as many millions of his own people as he could.

We left battered Eastern Europe in the hands of the cruel Stalin to make their lives as miserable as they were under Hitler.

In Korea we stalemated and left the evil power in the North free to cause us mischief and to receive bribes for playing nice, which they never did.

In Viet Nam we lost.

We shouldn’t have invaded Iraq.

We should have bombed the hell out of Afghanistan and destroyed the oil fields of the sly Saudis and not placed troops on the ground to be maimed purposely so they could bring their damaged bodies back to America to show the fruits of war against islamists.

Now our great foreign policies pump money into nations that hate us. This is money we borrow from the Chinese who also hate us.

What good have we done? What have we lost excepting our honor?


14 posted on 12/15/2012 4:50:37 AM PST by IbJensen (Liberals are like Slinkies, good for nothing, but you smile as you push them down the stairs.)
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To: wastedyears

Lincoln shut down many of northern newspapers(the MSM of the day)that opposed him and prosecuted the publishers/owners, those who supported him were left alone.


15 posted on 12/15/2012 4:52:14 AM PST by izzatzo
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To: IbJensen

The issue of habeas corpus remains with us today, with both President Bush and President Obama concurring with President Lincoln, and with the Supreme Court of our day concurring with the Supreme Court of Lincoln’s Day.


16 posted on 12/15/2012 4:57:52 AM PST by Redmen4ever
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To: wastedyears

I was doing some work on the Mexican-American War, and remarked to my coauthor, a Southern Boy, that the Mexicans refer to that war (in Spanish) as “The War of Northern Aggression.” He said, “Aren’t they all?”


17 posted on 12/15/2012 5:00:34 AM PST by Redmen4ever
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To: IbJensen

My third of three comments (this one not short):

Lincoln is condemned both for making war on the South and for not immediately ending slavery. This is not fair. You should make up your mind:

Was Lincoln wrong, perhaps even evil, when he was a candidate for supporting the Republican position to forbid slavery (only) in the territories and not forbidding it where it was established? And, then, initially as President, sought to keep Virginia and other states of the mid-South in the Union? And, then, for a time, even when fighting got underway, for leaving the door open a bit, for a time, for the possibility of a negotiated settlement?

Or, was he wrong, perhaps even evil, issuing the Emancipation Proclamation and, thus, for transforming the war into a war to free the slaves?

Here’s my position:

The Whigs and then the Republicans were wrong, in the sense of incorrect, but not evil, for not indicating that they would favor compensated emancipation. Their nuanced position on the issue put slaveowners at risk of loss. And, “win-loss” often results in violent conflict. We should always seek at least “win-no loss,” and even try for “win-win” when we can.

But, to criticize my own position, the problem with emancipation wasn’t the freeing of the slaves, it was what to do with them subsequently.

Emancipating a large number of uneducated and propertyless people, who would assume the various rights of citizenship, is not a good idea. It is predictable that they would vote to redistribute the wealth and would tend to do things like run enormous deficits.

Although some defenders of slavery eventually would make a genetic argument to justify the South’s “peculiar institution,” my reading of history tells me most of the Founders and most people through the early history of the Republic were concerned with granting citizenship, including the vote, to so many people who had not “assimilated” into the culture of a free society. Thus, by the mid 19th Century, Whigs and later Republicans were concerned about immigrants from the poor and backward Catholic countries of Europe, as well as what to do upon any freeing of the slaves.

The best retort I have for my own self-criticism is twofold:

First, in the North, the private charity system sought to assimilate immigrants into our free society, by demanding work and encouraging thrift. Accordingly, in Boston, where the private charity system got underway, there developed something like a conveyor belt of new immigrants arriving and then being transformed into people capable of acting as citizens of a free society.

Second, maintaining or even restoring a property qualification for voting could have been sufficient to keep attempts to re-distribute the wealth in check. The property qualification insured that voters would consider both the cost as well as the benefit of government spending. Unfortunately, for various reasons, universal male suffrage had become the rage (universal white male suffrage in the South), so that democracy combined with masses of ignorant and propertyless people equaled real problems.


18 posted on 12/15/2012 5:42:28 AM PST by Redmen4ever
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To: Chainmail
Yet without that strong, resolute, and committed Lincoln, the United States would have been lost and all of the good that we have done for the world would have been lost with it.

Such is the justification for all tyranny. Your nieve attachment to Lincoln is in no way different from the setimental attachment blacks and progressives feel to Obama. Indeed they are the same. Both deny the corruption of evil.

Both make the outrageous claim that our very existence depends upon the merciless application of terrorism against all who stand in the way of their progressive agenda.

The greatest good we can do for the world is to be a shining city, an example of free men and women working together without government intrusion. Reagan said it best when he demanded that government IS the problem.

The Lincoln legacy is government, overreaching and overpowering. Nothing good came of Lincoln's presidency. The party of Lincoln. Humbug!

19 posted on 12/15/2012 6:30:32 AM PST by Louis Foxwell (Better the devil we can destroy than the Judas we must tolerate.)
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To: IbJensen
If you read closely Lincoln's Second Inaugural Address, he s much as admits the he turned down parlay with a southern peace delegation.

On the occasion corresponding to this four years ago, all thoughts were anxiously directed to an impending civil war. All dreaded it—all sought to avert it. While the inaugural address was being delivered from this place, devoted altogether to saving the Union without war, insurgent agents were in the city seeking to destroy it without war—seeking to dissolve the Union, and divide effects, by negotiation. Both parties deprecated war; but one of them would make war rather than let the nation survive; and the other would accept war rather than let it perish. And the war came.

I have always wondered why historian omit this little piece of history.....

I have also thought Lincoln needed to get that out there to relive his conscience....

20 posted on 12/15/2012 6:43:11 AM PST by central_va ( I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: IbJensen
If you read closely Lincoln's Second Inaugural Address, he s much as admits the he turned down parlay with a southern peace delegation.

On the occasion corresponding to this four years ago, all thoughts were anxiously directed to an impending civil war. All dreaded it—all sought to avert it. While the inaugural address was being delivered from this place, devoted altogether to saving the Union without war, insurgent agents were in the city seeking to destroy it without war—seeking to dissolve the Union, and divide effects, by negotiation. Both parties deprecated war; but one of them would make war rather than let the nation survive; and the other would accept war rather than let it perish. And the war came.

I have always wondered why historian omit this little piece of history.....

I have also thought Lincoln needed to get that out there to relive his conscience....

21 posted on 12/15/2012 6:43:25 AM PST by central_va ( I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: IbJensen
In fact, the attack might have been avoided if he had not decided to reinforce Sumter.

Absolutely, Lincoln could have allowed the troops there to starve to death. /sarcasm off. What nonsense.

22 posted on 12/15/2012 6:51:07 AM PST by Zack Nguyen
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To: IbJensen

This comment pertains to your check list of the wars we have gotten into.

By the time the fascists had ascended to power in Germany and elsewhere, the U.S. and remaining democratic countries of the world were correct to conduct themselves as though warned of imminent danger. The Nazis were national socialists, and hated democratic capitalism, as well as hated democratic socialism. So, all democrats were imperiled.

Were we to turn the clock back, to the vindictive Treaty of Versailles, I agree with the Republican analysis that had opposed that treaty (also John Maynard Keynes).

Having said this, most wars are indeed miscalculations. The French, nowadays, being an effete nation, and knowing that couldn’t fight any real war, play geopolitical games without much risk of getting sucked into war. We, not yet realizing we are fast becoming like France, run the risk of getting sucked into war when we play geopolitical games.

Now I will connect your rundown of wars to your original post (on the Civil War):

In your rundown of wars, I don’t see an argument that it was O.K. for South Carolina to bomb Fort Sumter. Why, if getting into war is usually a bad thing, wasn’t it a mistake for South Carolina to bomb Fort Sumter? You’re not saying that states that secede from the Union can violently seize the property of the Federal government within their territory, without offering compensation? Is it that you believe only property in slaves warrants compensation, not property in land and buildings?

Finally, I will ask you about sovereign default as a justification for war. At the time of the U.S. Civil War, Mississippi was in default of its debt to Northern and European creditors. Under the Constitution, the Federal government and all the other states are pledged to defend all the states of the Union from invasion. Accordingly, Britain did not invade Mississippi for default on its debt, which it was in the habit of doing back in those days. Once Mississippi left the Union, its creditors, among them Northern capitalists, were free to invade them.

Of course, in line with the doctrine of states rights, Jefferson Davis, when he was a Senator, said states could repudiate state bonds. The doctrine of states rights, as expressed by Davis, is a doctrine of state power over the doctrine of God-given individual rights, and is not to be confused with endorsement of a federal system of government. Do you agree with Davis? Property in state bonds isn’t sacred, only property in slaves?


23 posted on 12/15/2012 6:55:00 AM PST by Redmen4ever
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To: Redmen4ever
Emancipating a large number of uneducated and propertyless people, who would assume the various rights of citizenship, is not a good idea. It is predictable that they would vote to redistribute the wealth and would tend to do things like run enormous deficits.

The above summarizes well the consequences of "comprehensive immigration reform."

24 posted on 12/15/2012 7:00:04 AM PST by trek
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To: IbJensen
In fact, the attack might have been avoided if he had not decided to reinforce Sumter.

Absolutely, Lincoln could have allowed the troops there to starve to death. /sarcasm off. What nonsense.

25 posted on 12/15/2012 7:02:19 AM PST by Zack Nguyen
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To: iowamark
No mention of the fact that secession happened long before Lincoln became President.

Your rehash is the one most blatantly absurd. Lincoln was not protecting the Constitution.

Each state was a voluntary member of the nation. They were under no constitutional obligation to stay under the federal system.

Killing hundreds of thousands of citizens, impoverishing the people and shredding the Constitution did nothing to preserve this nation.

26 posted on 12/15/2012 7:06:54 AM PST by Louis Foxwell (Better the devil we can destroy than the Judas we must tolerate.)
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To: IbJensen
I’ve often wondered what would have happened had the South won the war against the conscripted North whose ranks were packed with newly-arrived foreigners.

Neither of these claims is a valid criticism of the Union Army.

The South started using conscription first.

The percentage of foreign-born Union soldiers was less than their percentage in population of the Union states.

27 posted on 12/15/2012 7:12:20 AM PST by Sherman Logan (Brought to you by one of the pale penis people.)
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The moral high ground of these anti-Lincoln tropes is always undercut by the fact that the south had slaves.

Drives the Lost Cause nuts when you bring that up.


28 posted on 12/15/2012 7:13:17 AM PST by IncPen (Educating Barack Obama has been the most expensive project in human history)
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To: izzatzo
Lincoln, indeed, was a tyrant.

To American traitors, he was, indeed. Good on him.

29 posted on 12/15/2012 7:14:14 AM PST by mac_truck ( Aide toi et dieu t aidera)
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To: trek

Bingo!

The interests of Republicans and Democrats in comprehensive immigration reform are very different:

Our interest is that immigrants be able to live as citizens of a free society. So, we want people to actually demonstrate that they are law-abiding and self-supporting.

The other party’s interest is to increase the percent of voters who are looters and moochers.


30 posted on 12/15/2012 7:24:49 AM PST by Redmen4ever
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To: central_va
If you read closely Lincoln's Second Inaugural Address, he s much as admits the he turned down parlay with a southern peace delegation.

insurgent agents were in the city seeking to destroy it without war—seeking to dissolve the Union, and divide effects, by negotiation.

I have always wondered why historian omit this little piece of history.....

Could it be because of the very next sentence, which accurately describes the situation?

Both parties deprecated war; but one of them would make war rather than let the nation survive; and the other would accept war rather than let it perish.

This attitude in the CSA continued till the very end of the war. In a meeting with Confederate emissaries in February of 1865, when even the most idiotic of southerners could see the war would be lost shortly, Lincoln had only two non-negotiable points: emancipation and return to the Union.

Even at this late date, the CSA insisted on independence as its precondition for peace. Presumably the CSA would have also insisted that Union troops withdraw from the considerable majority of its territory that had been conquered. Obviously this would have been impossible for any president, to just turn and walk away after hundreds of thousands had died.

31 posted on 12/15/2012 7:28:16 AM PST by Sherman Logan (Brought to you by one of the pale penis people.)
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To: Redmen4ever

Much to comment upon what you have posted.

As long as the USSR was involved in the ‘war’ against Germany, along with France and Britain, et al, who were either deeply entrenched in socialism as was the USSR in communism, or playing with the idea excludes these doubful allies from being considered Democratic.

America, due to its clueless politicians, get sucked into global conflicts like dust to a vacuum cleaner. Our ‘allies’ didn’t care much for capitalist republics they only were interested in what our factories could deliver.

Your point about the evil Treaty of Versailles is spot on!

Paragraph 3 is also correct, in my view.

In respect to the balance of your observations that deal with the American Civil War, I agree that I disagree. This article I posted dealt mainly with the usurpation of power by a somewhat mad Abraham Lincoln. He was insanely grasping at everything and anything to increase his power as absolute wartime ruler. Imagine. Swearing out a warrant for arrest of the Chief Justice, for example.

Abraham Lincoln and the North deserved a defeat, but it would have been extremely difficult given that most of the South’s equipment was used for bailing hay or plowing fields.


32 posted on 12/15/2012 7:31:50 AM PST by IbJensen (Liberals are like Slinkies, good for nothing, but you smile as you push them down the stairs.)
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To: Sherman Logan

Sherman is a valid criticism of the Union Army!


33 posted on 12/15/2012 7:41:37 AM PST by IbJensen (Liberals are like Slinkies, good for nothing, but you smile as you push them down the stairs.)
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To: Sherman Logan

What was perishing? The USA would have survived and the newly formed CSA would exit had Lincoln not prosecuted his war. Seems to NOTHING was perishing. This twisted Goebellesque remark by the Illinois Butcher™ was typical BS from a hated President.


34 posted on 12/15/2012 7:42:09 AM PST by central_va ( I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: IbJensen

We there’s a lot of agreement, the confusion of evils in the Civil War understandably results in disagreement. Lincoln, after all, came over to the Republican Party from the Whig Part. Not from the Free Soil or Liberty parties.

I’ll also say this: If the South had freed the slaves (e.g., via compensated emancipation, along with an invigorated the property qualification for voting so as to prevent the outbreak of mobocracy) the North could not have prosecuted the war for long, and the South could have successfully wrested itself free of the tariff.

Very late in the game, the South did offer to free the slaves who joined the Confederate Army. So, by the end of the war, it became clear that the the South had miscalculated how Northern resolve could be mustered by the slave issue, at the beginning of the war.


35 posted on 12/15/2012 7:47:37 AM PST by Redmen4ever
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To: Redmen4ever

I condemn Lincoln for waging a no-holds-barred war against the South. As far as releasing the slaves that was not his intent at the outset.

Secretary Seward was the first who strongly recommended that the negro slaves be shipped back to Africa. Lincoln, at that time, concurred, but later suggested that buying the slaves from their owners and then shipping them to Africa.

I am in practically complete agreement with your position on the slavery issue.


36 posted on 12/15/2012 7:48:08 AM PST by IbJensen (Liberals are like Slinkies, good for nothing, but you smile as you push them down the stairs.)
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To: wastedyears

well, then feel free to come on down and have a nice glass of sweet tea then! :)

I have mixed feelings on this whole Civil War history. So sad that slavery was ever condoned and allowed here in the New World. But I also grew up hearing how the South was treated so badly after the war, how brutal Reconstruction was, and how the South still paid a heavy price for its rebellion and secession. Racial prejudice is not a Southern-only thing—it is EVERYWHERE! It’s just that the Southerner is the last “safe” target of reproach, since we’re all supposed to be toothless, dirty, uneducated, simple-minded, drunk on homemade moonshine, shoeless, and armed with any kind of firearm possible. Oh, and some of us are overtly Christian, pro-life, and for traditional marriage, so that’s also held against us.

Maybe everyone else is just plain jealous of our wonderful football teams...I dunno, but it seems that the friendly jesting that used to go on between sections of the country has gone by the wayside, and now every group clings to itself and considers everyone else as EVIL.

We don’t know true evil when we see it, or we are too afraid, too numb to say it.

Anyway, sorry for the rant. I’m just a fiercely proud Southerner (at least 10 generations on BOTH sides of my family—my ancestors came thru Virginia and Louisiana!), but more importantly, a fiercely proud AMERICAN! I see greater need every day for our country to pull together and to fight evil, to be willing to sacrifice for God and country. I see a dreadful future coming to this country as more and more of our civil rights are taken/given away...


37 posted on 12/15/2012 7:48:23 AM PST by sassy steel magnolia
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To: Lil Flower

Lincoln ranks right up there with Lyndon B. Johnson as one of the two worst human beings to ever live and have anything to do with leadership.


38 posted on 12/15/2012 7:58:58 AM PST by tiger63
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To: Lil Flower

yes him and kerosene billy.


39 posted on 12/15/2012 8:44:53 AM PST by old gringo
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To: IbJensen
I find it a bit odd that this historian, John J. Dwyer, failed to even mention the election of 1864 when a very, very close Presidential election between Lincoln and McClellan was won by by Lincoln due to voter fraud within the Union Army.

McClellan ran on a platform based on ending the war in a truce with the Confederacy that allowed the south to return to the Union and an agreement the south could keep slavery until the end of the century. In which time, the U.S. Government would purchase their slaves and repatriate said slaves to a colony in Africa (Liberia).

At this time, a war weary North was ready to end the war and Union soldiers who had served under General George B. McClellan admired him greatly, so Union soldiers voted almost entirely in his favor. However, these Union soldiers votes were counted by Radical Republican Union Officers, and surprise, surprise the fraudulently counted votes of the Union Army threw the election to Lincoln.

40 posted on 12/15/2012 8:44:53 AM PST by DJ Taylor (Once again our country is at war, and once again the Democrats have sided with our enemy.)
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To: Lil Flower

yes him and kerosene billy.


41 posted on 12/15/2012 8:45:30 AM PST by old gringo
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To: Lil Flower

yes him and kerosene billy.


42 posted on 12/15/2012 8:47:11 AM PST by old gringo
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To: rockrr

Does The New American still think Eisenhower was a Commie?

43 posted on 12/15/2012 8:57:55 AM PST by x
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To: central_va; Sherman Logan; Ditto
If you read closely Lincoln's Second Inaugural Address, he s much as admits the he turned down parlay with a southern peace delegation.

He's doing the Confederates a courtesy by assuming that they did not actually want the war that they started. So much for doing favors to those who don't deserve them.

This twisted Goebellesque remark by the Illinois Butcher™ was typical BS from a hated President.

Hard to tell if you mean Joseph Goebbels or George Gobel in this sentence.

Either way, it's the same illiterate garbage as always.

44 posted on 12/15/2012 9:12:17 AM PST by x
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To: IbJensen
That should be Lerone Bennett, Jr., not "Lenore." His best-known book is Before the Mayflower.
45 posted on 12/15/2012 9:13:14 AM PST by Verginius Rufus
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To: IbJensen

Actually, any blood is on the hands of the southron slavrocracy that instigated, conspired, and perpetuated war on their own country. A pox upon their miserable memories.


46 posted on 12/15/2012 9:43:01 AM PST by rockrr (Everything is different now...)
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To: x

I see the true leftist ancestral blood seeping out from the confed apologists this morning. What a shame. They attempt to rationalize and apologize away The Great Insurrection and cloak it is some twisted and tortured respect of the Constitution when in truth the south crapped on the constitution.


47 posted on 12/15/2012 9:58:36 AM PST by rockrr (Everything is different now...)
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To: DJ Taylor
However, these Union soldiers votes were counted by Radical Republican Union Officers, and surprise, surprise the fraudulently counted votes of the Union Army threw the election to Lincoln.

Twelve states allowed absentee voting by soldiers. Lincoln got 119,754 to McClellan's 34,291. This was despite Democratic Party measures to prevent soldiers from voting. (Amazing how things stay the same, isn't it?)

Lincoln won the popular vote by over 500k, so obviously the soldier vote didn't change that result, though it might have made the difference in some states.

In particular, would you like to present something vaguely resembling evidence that Union Army officers counted the absentee votes, or at any rate counted them all? Here is some evidence that sealed ballots were mailed back to the home state and counted by officials there.

http://www.co.washington.ny.us/PDF/His/ABSENTEE%20BALLOTS%20FOR%20SOLDIERS1864.pdf

What do you got, besides a whine?

48 posted on 12/15/2012 10:01:40 AM PST by Sherman Logan (Brought to you by one of the pale penis people.)
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To: sassy steel magnolia
But I also grew up hearing how the South was treated so badly after the war, how brutal Reconstruction was, and how the South still paid a heavy price for its rebellion and secession.

Do you have any historical knowledge of how the losers in other great civil wars were treated?

In the English Civil Wars the leaders (and many of the followers) were proscribed, their property confiscated and they were often executed.

In the Spanish Civil War somewhere between 100,000 and 500,000 of the losing side were executed after the war was over.

In the Taiping Rebellion, which took place about the same time as our War, 20M to 30M people died, many of them civilians massacred by the Manchu after the end of the fighting.

After the WBTS, the number executed in revenge by the winners was somewhat smaller. Exactly one, in fact.

49 posted on 12/15/2012 10:16:51 AM PST by Sherman Logan (Brought to you by one of the pale penis people.)
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To: Sherman Logan

I was only quoting the professor who presented a lecture on the election of 1864 during a History course I took at George Mason University back in 1998. If you would like to discuss this subject with him, I can provide his name.


50 posted on 12/15/2012 11:33:26 AM PST by DJ Taylor (Once again our country is at war, and once again the Democrats have sided with our enemy.)
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