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Cause and Effect: Americans Who Voted for Obama Now Seeing Weekly Job Hours Slashed Below 30...
International Business Times ^ | December 12, 2012

Posted on 12/13/2012 2:51:29 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet

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To: Luircin; NFHale
Luircin: Listen to this post by NFHALE.

We do care about those that are trying to do right and are getting the shaft now. I have 6 grandchildren that I CRY for their future, WE CARE.

NFHALE is giving you some very good advice, we have been there, my parents had it worse (depression, war, dust bowls). Talk about HARD TIMES.

Guess that's were we learned to conserve and do without things that were not important to life. Made us tough and with a CAN DO attitude. Never give up.

51 posted on 12/13/2012 4:30:26 PM PST by annieokie
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To: DCBryan1

fire the idiot and as for the made up holiday ten if she likes that then great but as soon as one states how it;s a mickey mouse holiday there are folks shouting racist.

Whats the betting she also celebrates Christmas


52 posted on 12/13/2012 4:35:48 PM PST by manc (Marriage =1 man + 1 woman,when they say marriage equality then they should support polygamy)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Obozo and his minions in the media will simply decry “greedy capitalists”. Simple. Lie.


53 posted on 12/13/2012 4:43:09 PM PST by TalBlack (Evil doesn't have a day job.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Multiple wammies coming....

* If they are over 26 or not students living w/ Mom and Dad, on their Health Care working this 28 hrs, they still have too...

* Buy Health Insurance.
* Or pay the Fine.
* Or do neither, get hurt, go to the Hospital and get the plan on the spot.
Oh yes, if they buy the plan it is with after tax dollars not before.

What a flippin mess...

54 posted on 12/13/2012 4:50:11 PM PST by taildragger (( Tighten the 5 point harness and brace for Impact Freepers, ya know it's coming..... ))
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To: Luircin
“So what do you propose that I do now? I want to be a maker and not a taker, but there’s nothing I can do! I can’t even serve in the armed forces because of my health problems.”

Keep trying. I know how hard it can be. Try to figure out your good points and what you might be good at or specialize in that would make an employee take notice. There are projects you can join on the Internet that you could help with. Sometimes donating free time will lead to a real job.

Good luck.

55 posted on 12/13/2012 4:54:13 PM PST by FR_addict
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To: Ouderkirk; All

this is similar to the problem with congress raising the minimum wage by fiat.

if a burger king requires 8 persons for the work load of a 8am-5pm shift & can only afford that many. then raising minimum wage forces management to fire enough employees or raise prices to maintain or cover labor costs. if prices are raised, the budget of the entire customer base is affected. either fewer workers to bear the same work load, or decrease in customers who can’t or won’t pay higher prices.

redistributing wealth results in higher worker stress, customer cost & reduced productivity & quality. these faults are inherent in socialized medicine / socialist government.


56 posted on 12/13/2012 4:54:56 PM PST by Psalm_2 (Do not be overcome by evil, but overcome evil with good. Romans 12:21 NASB)
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To: DCBryan1

At my wife’s Company, which is in the f.arms-accessories business, all 10 employees (non-white—Mexicans mostly) in her group voted for Obama despite their being in a business that Obama/Dems would like to put out of business.

Dumber than rocks, but hey! Who needs a job when one gets an Obama goody bag when unemployed, etc.?


57 posted on 12/13/2012 4:58:18 PM PST by OldArmy52 (The question is not whether Obama ever lies, but whether he ever tells the truth.)
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To: DCBryan1

20 years back I was a Supervisor to a major airline. The only way to get rid of someone was to tracking their attendance.

Productivity and attendance goes hand in hand. They were always getting “injured” or sick in conjunction with days off. I would track all this and document, coach and counsel as was required. These people usually are too stupid to realize they were digging their own grave. When I eventually fired them they had no recourse.

It was their personal record and my documentation, coaching & counseling with their union steward present that they were let go and it stuck.


58 posted on 12/13/2012 5:00:14 PM PST by 23 Everest (When seconds count. The police are just 23 minutes away. 831 Bonnie)
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To: Psalm_2

I like how you all have such great points.

Unfortunately America has become an idiocrcy. Teh movie should be moved to the non-fiction section now.


59 posted on 12/13/2012 5:00:43 PM PST by bicyclerepair ( >-> Zombies eat brains. >-> 50% of FL is safe.)
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To: PeteB570
- just another 6 jobs gone

Actually these six - if they take all the goodies from Barak O'Clause might make more than they did working. And they get to sleep in.
60 posted on 12/13/2012 5:13:44 PM PST by Cheerio (Barry Hussein Soetoro-0bama=The Complete Destruction of American Capitalism)
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To: Luircin

Luircin, My heart goes out to you. I graduated from college with good grades and a double major but no jobs. Lucky to go into the Army after college for 4 years. Got out of the Army and still no jobs (in my college field). Army G.I. Bill to let me get back into college to get a 2nd degree in another field (computers)...I was so broke that not only was I back living with my parents but I could not even afford gas for the old car I had except my Dad would slip me gas money.

Then I graduated right (early 80’s) right after the video game industry crashed so there I was a new C.S. grad with no job experience trying to find work when thousands of skilled, experienced programmers were out of work and looking.

I worked whatever low end temp job I could find. Finally got lucky and took a low paying computer job, that was the only offer my job searches/applications turned up.

Hard times. Sorry you are there too guy! Take whatever and tighten the belt. No bad situation is forever, though it seems that way. The USA is in bad shape and getting worse. Seems in bad times, when we need good leaders, we get stuck with the worst people. Just as in the 1930’s Great Depression my struggled thru (lost the farm, etc), we got bad policies from bad leaders (Hoover and then Roosevelt...though history has painted him falsely as the “savior”).


61 posted on 12/13/2012 5:16:57 PM PST by OldArmy52 (The question is not whether Obama ever lies, but whether he ever tells the truth.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
A small privately owned drugstore where I shop is closing on Saturday, sold out to a big chain. I am sick about it.
62 posted on 12/13/2012 5:21:01 PM PST by Ditter
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To: Luircin

p.s. I used to write articles for small circulation hobby magazines, but never got more than $150 per published article.

Considering the time put in to write and prepare an article, my pay was around $2/hour. Not much money in writing for small outfits, but the big magazine that paid well, had more than enough writers.


63 posted on 12/13/2012 5:22:03 PM PST by OldArmy52 (The question is not whether Obama ever lies, but whether he ever tells the truth.)
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To: FR_addict

Right! When my wife emigrated to the USA we finally got her a job with a small after-school care company by having her volunteer for a couple weeks with no obligation. She did good and so got hired. Min wage and part time. But it was her foot in the door. Dittos for another family member...no experience or schooling/training but she found a doctor who let her help him with dealing with patients who did not speak his language. She acted as an informal translator and over the course of a few years of “helper” became valued enough to the doctor that he trained her as a helper and helped her study as a medical assistant, increasing her pay.


64 posted on 12/13/2012 5:40:34 PM PST by OldArmy52 (The question is not whether Obama ever lies, but whether he ever tells the truth.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Perhaps a unicorn will stop by and give them a ride to la-la land, where they can find some free magic mushrooms to help them ease their pain.


65 posted on 12/13/2012 5:40:53 PM PST by Truth2012
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To: 23 Everest

Absolutely. We are locked up tight on her. We are firing her with cause since she missed deadline on a customer transaction. No unemployment for her!!! We are getting rid of all dead weight in 2013.......and those having voted for Obama added lead to their imaginary golden parachute.


66 posted on 12/13/2012 6:00:15 PM PST by DCBryan1 (Look for the UNION label.....then buy something else!)
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To: 23 Everest

Absolutely. We are locked up tight on her. We are firing her with cause since she missed deadline on a customer transaction. No unemployment for her!!! We are getting rid of all dead weight in 2013.......and those having voted for Obama added lead to their imaginary golden parachute.


67 posted on 12/13/2012 6:00:15 PM PST by DCBryan1 (Look for the UNION label.....then buy something else!)
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To: 23 Everest

Absolutely. We are locked up tight on her. We are firing her with cause since she missed deadline on a customer transaction. No unemployment for her!!! We are getting rid of all dead weight in 2013.......and those having voted for Obama added lead to their imaginary golden parachute.


68 posted on 12/13/2012 6:00:15 PM PST by DCBryan1 (Look for the UNION label.....then buy something else!)
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To: Luircin

This is a mixture of responses to your first and second postings:

I will have to say that it is good to see people my age(I am 26 also), or a little bit older or younger, speak out against the policies that Obama stands for. I am in a similar boat as you. It is hard for me to find a job, so I’ve been stuck working at Best Buy for over four years because that may be the best retail job that I can have at the moment. I also have a form of autism, called asperger’s syndrome, which can be a limitation on the jobs that I can possibly have.

Currently I am in college trying to get a communications degree so that I can be a radio DJ, and am on the pathway to having my own radio show at the college’s radio station. The quickest way out of my mess is to be able to find a commercial venture for my lyrics, songs, poetry whathaveyou. So far, that hasn’t worked as the big movers and shakers in the music industry do not find my work good enough to publish or to pair with anybody. But I cannot be quiet and accept my failures.

We all have periods in our lives, I would think, where we can see no sun over the horizon. We tend to see life as a scale of ascendance but sometimes the scales may tip not in our favor and we go sliding downwards into the abyss. Sometimes I feel that way, as I am 26, I also live with my father and I should have a girlfriend and be out of college by now. Life moves by so fast that it is incredible to actually anticipate the future that we live in.

We are young enough to see the world revolutionize itself. We should feel pity upon those who are old enough, no offense, to not live past the next four years but know, and dread, what those years will do. Sometimes the best thing to do is to go on a walk, pick a goofy song from the 1950s(Purple People Eater did the trick for me) and listen to the whole thing. That made me feel happy today.


69 posted on 12/13/2012 6:10:38 PM PST by Merta (Like Joe Jones, but in reverse, I talk too much.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Bump


70 posted on 12/13/2012 6:19:27 PM PST by lowbridge (Joe Biden: "Look, the Taliban per se is not our enemy.")
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To: annieokie
Two of my daughters are positions of firing people. They get a little squimmish when faced with firing a Black.

My wife, as a manager (now retired) wasn't squeamish about firing anyone, regardless of race. She documented everything, and worked closely with HR and legal departments. One Chinese guy tried the race card, claiming discrimination, getting sympathy from others and hoping to beat the system. My wife persevered, and when the legal people interviewed her in person and saw her face sided with her. She has my jewish name. But she is Chinese-American. City cops took him out in handcuffs after the Chinese guy lost it and went ballistic on company security. He sued, and lost his case. Tell your daughters to hang in there. Document everything.

71 posted on 12/13/2012 6:20:25 PM PST by roadcat
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To: Lorianne

California, New York, DC, Maryland, Massachusetts, and Illinois will also have similar laws soon (20 hours or more is full time).


72 posted on 12/13/2012 6:23:32 PM PST by Thunder90 (All posts soley represent my own opinion.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Let ‘em learn the hard way, ‘cause teaching them is more trouble then they’re worth.


73 posted on 12/13/2012 6:30:02 PM PST by RWB Patriot ("My ability is a value that must be purchased and I don't recognize anyone's need as a claim on me.")
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To: Ouderkirk

> Leftards never follow things through to their logical conclusion.

^ truth. Wisdom and common sense are not their strengths.


74 posted on 12/13/2012 6:48:41 PM PST by jsanders2001
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To: annieokie

Thank you so much. I needed that. After all the doom and gloom that I’ve been reading here, it’s started to really weigh down on me.


75 posted on 12/13/2012 7:19:23 PM PST by Luircin
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To: annieokie
If they want to pull that race card bit. All you have to do is axked them: "Where you Black when I hired you?"

Ooh, I like that line!

A couple of years ago I worked for a company that let the majority of it's employees telecommute. I'd only actually met one person from there, and only because she lived just 5 blocks away. One of the people I had to fire ran to HR and claimed we were picking on him because he was black, so of course my boss had to come talk to the whole team and lecture us about racism. I stopped the whole speech by asking a single question: "How are we supposed to tell what skin color they have?"

You could hear a pin drop. Then the boss started laughing so hard she couldn't talk. Apparently it hadn't occured to HR that since each and every one of us telecommuted, we had no idea what anyone looked like.

Thus ended our "sensitivity" training.
76 posted on 12/13/2012 7:20:06 PM PST by Ellendra (http://www.ustrendy.com/ellendra-nauriel/portfolio/18423/concealed-couture/)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Looks like that darn Bush did it again, oh wait...


77 posted on 12/13/2012 7:23:41 PM PST by Kickass Conservative (They Live, and we're the only ones wearing the Sunglasses...)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

The only problem is that many of the Obama supporters want to work less, or not work at all.

Uncle Obama will pay the bills. Don’t worry, hate the Rich, they stole the Obama stash for themselves...


78 posted on 12/13/2012 7:31:29 PM PST by Kickass Conservative (They Live, and we're the only ones wearing the Sunglasses...)
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To: Luircin

If you have a hard-wired phone line, a DSL or other high-speed internet connection, and can keep the room you work in quiet, you could try http://www.alpineaccess.com

I used to work there, and it was one of my favorite jobs. I can tell you from experience that they’re always looking for good workers.

It’s mainly a virtual call center, and they contract with a variety of companies, each with a different pay scale, but I was making $12 an hour to sit in my jammies and talk on the phone all day :) I only left because I lost the use of my vocal chords. It was a fun job.


79 posted on 12/13/2012 7:31:35 PM PST by Ellendra (http://www.ustrendy.com/ellendra-nauriel/portfolio/18423/concealed-couture/)
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To: roadcat
Oh they do document everything, it's in their blood, lol.

They depend on HR and the write up reports. It just takes awhile to learn all that and get tough.

Thanks, others can learn from all this.

80 posted on 12/13/2012 7:50:15 PM PST by annieokie
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To: Ouderkirk

Or service drops. Or more work is pushed to consumers as “self-help” and cost saving methods. Like Aldi’s promoting bagging your own as a cost saving method, or other grocers expanding self-scan as a time saver, because they cut clerks.


81 posted on 12/13/2012 7:56:46 PM PST by tbw2
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To: Luircin
So what do you propose that I do now?

Did your student debt come with a degree? What is your educational background?

82 posted on 12/13/2012 7:59:08 PM PST by Washi (Socialism is Slavery)
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To: Luircin
it’s started to really weigh down on me."""".....

I can understand that.

Listen, moving back with your parents is not a big deal. They are parents, that's what we do. My door has been opened a few times for my children, always will be.

Tough times is and opportunity to learn things, figure out what is important and what's not. One scripture that has always sustained me is: "I can do all things through Christ who strengthens me.", that is a wow statement.

God Bless and good luck, you can do it.

83 posted on 12/13/2012 8:17:40 PM PST by annieokie
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To: Ellendra
"How are we supposed to tell what skin color they have?"

That is so funny, good for you. We have to find as many ways as we can to stop this Race Card madness.

I'm sick of it, and they depend on us being afraid. I refuse to play their game.

84 posted on 12/13/2012 8:23:05 PM PST by annieokie
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I don’t see any evidence Obama voters are getting laid off in higher numbers than normal people.


85 posted on 12/13/2012 8:33:04 PM PST by Cyber Liberty (Obama considers the Third World morally superior to the United States.)
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To: piytar

I wish employers would have a look at the bumper stickers on the cars of their employees when determining who to terminate. You drive a car with a zerobama sticker and you are fired.


86 posted on 12/13/2012 9:01:56 PM PST by killermosquito (Buffalo, Detroit (and eventually France) is what you get when liberalism runs its course.)
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To: Luircin; annieokie; Ancesthntr; Gilbo_3; sickoflibs; DoughtyOne; stephenjohnbanker; Impy

Ping to Gilbo_3; sickoflibs; Doughtyone; stephenjohnbanker; Impy

Guys - got a young brother needs help and some good words out here.

Luircin:
“...It’s embarrassing, but my mother and step-father have let me move back in with them. I hate it, but it’s the best of my limited options....”

Thank God your mother and step-father are still here so you HAVE that fall back plan.

There’s nothing embarrassing about surviving, my friend. You do what you have to do.

Your response is not an “overly emotional response”; it’s a response to pain, and fear, and the state of things. I understand it totally. I’m scraping by to pay the mortgage every month, feed my family, and keep the lights on. You are not alone; there’s varying degrees of financial wreckage for a lot of us.

On the plus side for you - you’re young. You can - and will - recover eventually.

Don’t give up, brother. Life is a giant wheel of sh*t and sugar, and most of the time we’re somewhere in between the totality of either of those two states. Right now, it’s just sh*tty, but it will come around again.

There’s work out there; may not be what you want to do, but do what you have to any way you can to pay your bills.

Ping me anytime.


87 posted on 12/13/2012 9:08:26 PM PST by NFHale (The Second Amendment - By Any Means Necessary.)
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To: PeteB570

Time for a new campaign, avoid employing liberals!

That is real “Social Justice”, I wonder how implementable it would be...?


88 posted on 12/13/2012 10:36:14 PM PST by Monorprise
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To: C210N

“It was a vote of economic serial murder, at least second degree murder that is (Intent to do economic harm to half the country that pays taxes, with intent to wound but not kill, but winds up killing anyway by bleeding us, economically speaking, to death)”

I agree, Boycott liberals businesses & employees.


89 posted on 12/13/2012 10:39:30 PM PST by Monorprise
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To: piytar

“I hope the boss (quietly) targeted obastard supporters...”

lol Yes we must focus on remaining overt, less the liberals will make a discrimation case against us.

Still it must be done in the name of real justice.


90 posted on 12/13/2012 10:42:00 PM PST by Monorprise
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To: RWB Patriot

“Let ‘em learn the hard way, ‘cause teaching them is more trouble then they’re worth.”

Teaching real Civil virtue is calmness, otherwise theses people will be taught as they are in our present university system to be thieves & political hacks.


91 posted on 12/13/2012 10:56:18 PM PST by Monorprise
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To: Luircin

Get Don Drivers DVD’s and learn the art of pitch—invest $20 bucks in some wooly worms, or svengali decks and go to work downtown... If you can build a tip, turn the tip and clear the midway, you will never go broke...


92 posted on 12/13/2012 11:46:48 PM PST by abigkahuna (I have achieved the goal of semi-literacy through public schooling.)
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To: Luircin; NFHale; Gilbo_3; DoughtyOne; stephenjohnbanker; Impy
RE :”Other than that, I’m unemployed, have crushing student debt, and what few savings I had were used to try to pay down all the other debt that Obama’s first term forced me into.”

What is the student debt for? Some type of degree?

93 posted on 12/14/2012 4:59:26 AM PST by sickoflibs (Dems know how to win. Rs know how to whine.)
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To: sickoflibs

No, I’m sorry, Americans, especially younger Americans — there ARE jobs out there — they’re just lowly, grungy roll up your sleeves type jobs ...and MOST of them are held by illegals now. So, folks, why don’t you get off your duffs and kick out all these slimebucket illegals and take THOSE jobs and learn how to work for a change!!

Fast food, stocking, lawn mowing, sh*t shoveling ...it all needs to be done, but most Americans won’t do those jobs. Too used to their cushy little posts or asking Grandma for the money.

Or trying being a nurse ..or a nursing tech. Plenty of jobs there ...but all i EVEr hear is “ewwww — I can’t stand the sight of blood ...or, ewww, I could never take care of old people.”

I have worked the window, scrubbed the toilets, and mopped the floors. I’ve cut the grass, watered the plants, and walked the dogs. I’ve done it all ...doesn’t mean you’re stupid or not going anywhere ...it’s what you do to survive until you can get to where you really want to go!


94 posted on 12/14/2012 5:12:47 AM PST by LibsRJerks
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To: LibsRJerks; NFHale
RE :”Or trying being a nurse ..or a nursing tech. Plenty of jobs there ...but all i EVEr hear is “ewwww — I can’t stand the sight of blood ...or, ewww, I could never take care of old people.”

HA-HA, My mom's a retired nurse and my sister is a nurse and has a great career. I have heard this by women myself many times. Sure, there are depressing aspects to those jobs, some stressful, but they are a job w good pay and benefits.

I get the impression that from 1993 to as late as 2006 many Americans got used to the idea that money comes easy in America, “Just do what you love and you will succeed” was the motto.

Just buy a house with no money down and rent it out and the price will double in few years, what could go wrong? ( I know people who believed this and got burned bad)

And every POTUS race the challenger has all the easy answers, until they take office.

95 posted on 12/14/2012 5:35:54 AM PST by sickoflibs (Dems know how to win. Rs know how to whine.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
It's Bush's fault.

I got a hang nail...it's Bush's fault.

My 99 weeks of unemployment expired and I had to go on Social Security Disability because my self esteem was hurt...it's Bush's fault.

My kids hate their free school breakfast and lunch that Moochelle regulates...it's Bush's fault.

Same old song, same whiners singing.

96 posted on 12/14/2012 5:36:59 AM PST by cashless (Obama told us he would side with Muslims if the political winds shifted in an ugly direction. Ready?)
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To: NFHale

Well said, FRiend! You took the words right out of my mouth.


97 posted on 12/14/2012 7:45:48 AM PST by tgusa (gun control: deep breath, sight alignment, squeeze the trigger .......)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
If nothing else ObamaCare should drive a revolution in industrial automation and robotics. It's a simple choice to replace workers with machines when the government imposes the right cost/benefit inducement.
98 posted on 12/14/2012 7:46:52 AM PST by Brad from Tennessee (A politician can't give you anything he hasn't first stolen from you.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Obama fraud manufactured voters did not have their hours cut and neither did the city ghetto where the fraud is based.


99 posted on 12/14/2012 8:06:39 AM PST by SaraJohnson
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To: C210N

When we try to pin it on the voters, we have to take into account the invisible and dead voters and foreigners who voted within the kingdom of vote fraud. That is what tipped Obama over in swing states. I think it is safe to say, it is up to 6% of the vote.


100 posted on 12/14/2012 8:29:34 AM PST by SaraJohnson
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