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BATFE Taking Comments on "Sporting Purposes" Exemption to "Armor Piercing Ammunition" Law Until
nraila.org ^ | 6 December, 2012 | NRA-ILA6

Posted on 12/08/2012 7:23:14 AM PST by marktwain

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To: KoRn

As this becomes known among the folks who have or inend to have guns imagine the salse of ammo will increase sharply. Essentially the government is going to try to get around the Court’s 2AMD rulings by banning ammo.


21 posted on 12/08/2012 8:28:30 AM PST by arthurus (Read Hazlitt's Economics In One Lesson ONLINE www.fee.org/library/books/economics-in-one-lesson)
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To: KoRn

As this becomes known among the folks who have or intend to have guns imagine the salse of ammo will increase sharply. Essentially the government is going to try to get around the Court’s 2AMD rulings by banning ammo.


22 posted on 12/08/2012 8:28:52 AM PST by arthurus (Read Hazlitt's Economics In One Lesson ONLINE www.fee.org/library/books/economics-in-one-lesson)
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To: SWAMPSNIPER

You’re talking about “soft armor” of course.....I’m talking about those bucks that are lugging around those carriers with hard plates in them!.....haha


23 posted on 12/08/2012 8:31:02 AM PST by Gaffer
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To: Flintlock

Eventually, it will affect availability I guess. Remington already makes is brass plated Green Friendly ammo (Golden?)which works pretty BTW....

I took a shot through 2 inches of pine board and lodged one of them 1/2” deep into a freshly green treaded 2X4...it surprised me how far it penetrated.


24 posted on 12/08/2012 8:34:28 AM PST by Gaffer
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To: The Working Man

I suspect we are working up to a gun grab and the feds are not sure whether the population will passively give up their weaponry to the government or whether some of them will fight. They are trying to skew the odds against those who would fight.


25 posted on 12/08/2012 8:36:52 AM PST by arthurus (Read Hazlitt's Economics In One Lesson ONLINE www.fee.org/library/books/economics-in-one-lesson)
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To: SWAMPSNIPER

***An arrow from a hunting bow or crossbow will slice through both sides of a Kevlar vest with ease, BTW. ****

Years ago, a policeman or salesman demonstrating armor was killed while wearing a bulletproof vest. He had someone in his audience attack him with a knife. It went through the bullet proof armor with no problem.

I believe that happened in Oklahoma City.


26 posted on 12/08/2012 8:49:55 AM PST by Ruy Dias de Bivar (The parasites now outnumber the producers.)
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To: Dead Corpse

thanks for info


27 posted on 12/08/2012 8:50:28 AM PST by mouser (Run the rats out its the only chance we have)
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To: Gaffer

“Eventually, it will affect availability I guess. Remington already makes is brass plated Green Friendly ammo (Golden?)which works pretty BTW....

I took a shot through 2 inches of pine board and lodged one of them 1/2” deep into a freshly green treaded 2X4...it surprised me how far it penetrated.”

A hard cast, heat-treated lead bullet will amaze you as far as penetration.


28 posted on 12/08/2012 8:54:32 AM PST by headstamp 2 (What would Scooby do?)
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To: KeyLargo; All

WSJ: The Fallicy of “Low” or “Declining” Homicide Numbers

“No studies have quantified the relationship between emergency medicine and the recent decline in homicides. But many on the front lines of crime fighting believe they are linked.”

Sounds like more anti-gun propaganda to me. No real numbers, just speculation that there is a lot of “gun violence” in spite of the falling homicide numbers. I do not know why I should believe doctors from big cities on this issue when those who are the self proclaimed voice of the medical profession have lied to advance “gun control” so much in the past.


29 posted on 12/08/2012 8:57:43 AM PST by marktwain
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To: Gaffer; All

They already banned 7.62 X 39 steel core ammo because someone made a legal pistol for sale in AK type configuration. That happened during the Clinton regime.

Nearly all rifle calibers have had pistols made that chamber them. Check out the Contender series for example.

These people are going after what they can grab, IMHO. Logic and reason have nothing to do with it.


30 posted on 12/08/2012 9:04:55 AM PST by marktwain
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To: marktwain

These are mostly stockless, short barreled, pistol gripped versions of the rifles. Not something I’d call a real ‘pistol’. Try shooting a 45LC Ranch Hand actually using the sights..... I’m talking about real rifles and pistols using the same ammunition.


31 posted on 12/08/2012 9:15:50 AM PST by Gaffer
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To: marktwain

BTW, I’m still waiting for the weirdo who’s gonna come up the the Garand Pistol...short barrel, cut-off stock and pistol grip added, short op-rod, retimed gas cylinder and action.....[actually, I’d really like to have one of them to go with the other real 4 that I’ve built up]


32 posted on 12/08/2012 9:21:02 AM PST by Gaffer
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To: marktwain

This would be our Dear Leader “working under the radar”.


33 posted on 12/08/2012 9:25:13 AM PST by SIDENET ("If that's your best, your best won't do." -Dee Snider)
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To: Gaffer

Incorrect. The ammo used by the ft hood shooter was standard ammo and in no way armor piercing. A common misconception about the 5.7 is that all ammo it shoots is armor piercing. In reality, there is one round that is actually capable of penetrating armor and it is and always has been restricted from civilian purchase.

It is possible to buy commercial rounds that are lead free but they are not capable of penetrating armor UNLESS you pull the bullets and reload them much hotter than factory.


34 posted on 12/08/2012 9:36:34 AM PST by 1malumprohibitum
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To: Gaffer

Judging from your comments you are confused.

Its not about a specific gun or type of ammo and it has nothing to do with Ft Hood.

Its part of an agenda to ban firearms and ammunition. They can’t gain ground with an outright ban so they seek to do it one piece at a time.

By agreeing and ‘compromising’ with them you help them in their efforts to eliminate private ownership of firearms.


35 posted on 12/08/2012 9:49:09 AM PST by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: Gaffer
You may not realize that what you see as humor is exactly the same as the crappy comments the anti 2nd amendment crowd likes to throw around.

I don't believe you will find many Freepers who think of RKBA as a joking matter.

36 posted on 12/08/2012 9:59:14 AM PST by SWAMPSNIPER (The Second Amendment,a Matter of Fact,Not a Matter of Opinion)
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To: Gaffer; All
These are mostly stockless, short barreled, pistol gripped versions of the rifles. Not something I’d call a real ‘pistol’.

You should be making policy at the BATFE! Then we could reimport some of that cheap (but excellent) Chinese ammo!/S

37 posted on 12/08/2012 10:08:41 AM PST by marktwain
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To: Dead Corpse

I see Barnes Bullets’s decision of withdrawing the Banded Solids ammo from the market was a defensive move while letting BATF to comply with pending “exemption request.”

I wonder if Barnes has the gumption to sue the government for arbitrary judgment or for over stepping their regulatory bounds if they refuse “to grant” the exemption?


38 posted on 12/08/2012 10:22:26 AM PST by Red Steel
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To: SWAMPSNIPER

You need to lighten up


39 posted on 12/08/2012 10:25:33 AM PST by Gaffer
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To: Georgia Girl 2
More unsettling is that they are looking for an excuse to classify AR’s and AK’s as Class three’s so you have to pay the extra $200 and register the weapon.

Their Fast & Furious scandal puts a big damper on their plans here.

40 posted on 12/08/2012 10:25:49 AM PST by Red Steel
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