Secession: It's constitutional (Walter E. Williams offers evidence from .... U.S. history)

WND ^ | November 27, 2012 | Walter E. Williams

[donmeaker]

Texas is much different from 1840. Texas is far more dependent on the US economy.

[rfreedom4u]

adding emancipation after the war was underway

Let’s not forget that emancipation applied ONLY to those states that were in rebellion. Maryland still had slaves until the thirteenth amendment was ratified.

[hopespringseternal]

Texas has long gotten from the fed govt their own money back, and others states’ money. That would end. Strike 1.

False. This is one of those statistics you can twist to tell whatever lie you want, but every source I can find lists Texas as a net contributor.

The federal debt is just that. Ultimately it is tied to US currency. Given what is happening in Washington you would have to be insane to adopt the dollar as your currency today. As far as federal assets, Texas is not a state with a tremendous amount of federal land, in fact, the proportion is tiny. It is more likely Texas would charge the feds rent for their facilities on Texas land.

Again, when you lament over payments from the federal government you expose yourself as a democrat. The federal government has to take everything it gives, and it takes more from Texas than it gives back. Texas secedes and all things being equal its citizens get a tax cut just from not having to support federal employees. That and deal with the exodus of people leaving Texas for the US, and the influx of people headed for Texas from the US. Strike 3.

Win-win. You get the welfare mooches, Texas gets the people who want to work and be free.

So you hate Texas. Stay in your blue state getting welfare. You have shown yourself to be entirely ignorant of the situation. Why you keep posting to this thread is beyond me since you have nothing to offer but ignorance.

[donmeaker]

Texas does indeed get more from the Feds than it pays.

I have little ignorance to offer, but what I can do is expose your falsehoods...

[hopespringseternal]

Texas receives $.94 per dollar paid

Texas pays $2243 per capita in net tax contributions

What are your sources?

[GeronL]

This whole taxes “recieved” thing is bogus. And it is meaningless to the discussion of taxes anyways.

[donmeaker]

How do you count?

For example, the Lockheed company in Ft Worth gets paid for F-35 development. Yet, as a Delaware company, that payment gets credited (on the Wikipedia) to Delaware... The salaries of the people in Ft. Worth are then not counted as paid by the Federal government, though their taxs are. That is a bias in the Wikipedia numbers, as should be obvious by the very large numbers reported as paid by Delaware.

Further, taxes paid by Lockheed include taxes on value added by subcontractors in other states.

That is perhaps the best indication that the US economy is closely linked.

[hopespringseternal]

Sure it is -- a lot of what gets counted as a benefit to the state is useless garbage no one would miss. Another big chunk is manifestly harmful: The feds paying people not to work so they live a lifestyle of crime that winds up costing the state. Federal courts sabotaging state justice systems. Meaningless environmental regulations.

A very small part of the federal budget actually goes to accomplish anything truly beneficial anymore. But even ignoring all that, Texas gives more than it receives.

[GeronL]

lol.

How does that work, if we send a billion to Brazil, which state “recieved” it?

If we station armies in europe and asia for decades, which state “recieved” that?

States should not recieve ANYTHING from the federal government. The federal government should only be collecting exactly what it needs for the core, Constitutional operations of the federal government. And nothing else.

States should likewise raise their own revenue for their own operations as should counties and cities.

[hopespringseternal]

Are you under the impression I disagree with you?

The majority of the federal budget is payments to individuals not to work, not to plan, not to be a functioning member of society. That in itself destroys the notion that the states need the federal government to work.

Earlier in the thread I believe someone boiled down the real benefit to about 20% of what is outgoing.

[donmeaker]

Yet people pay Social Security Tax from Texas. People in Texas receive Social Security payments.

Is that a benefit? Depends on which side of the stick the brown is on.

Florida probably gets a lot of SS money for the people that retire there. Rather a lot work in NY, and retire in Florida. Is that a benefit to Florida? Is that a cost to NY?

Sounds to me like the economy is tightly entwined. If the retired person gets his SS delivered to Belize, which state benefits?

Perhaps we should figure out how to cut back on unconstitutional federal government spending before we decide on how many potential allies in that effort we want to drive off.