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POLITICAL SUICIDE, ANYONE? (IT WAS NOT THE HISPANIC VOTE THAT DEFEATED ROMNEY)
Powerline ^ | 11/24/2012 | PAUL MIRENGOFF

Posted on 11/24/2012 8:53:48 AM PST by SeekAndFind

In an article referenced by Scott earlier today, Byron York shows that Mitt Romney did not lose the election because of his failure to win the Hispanic vote. Romnwy would have lost in Ohio, Virginia, Wisconsin, Iowa, and New Hampshire even if he had gained a large portion of the Hispanic votes in these key battleground states.

York also demonstrates that, as we have argued, Hispanics are not a natural Republican constituency. If anything, they are natural Democrats for reasons unrelated to the immigration issue. Exit poll information suggests that Hispanics based their votes on a number of issues beyond illegal immigration, and those issues favored Democrats. A majority of Hispanics who voted this Election Day favored keeping Obamacare, higher taxes for higher earners, and (by 2 to 1) keeping abortion legal.

This brings me to the question of immigration reform. Such legislation is best evaluated on its merits, rather than on its politics. However, to the extent Republican legislators undertake a political analysis, it should weigh heavily against a vote for any package that provides a path to citizenship for illegal aliens, including the children of those who are here illegally.

The Hispanic vote wasn’t decisive in states like Ohio, Virginia, Wisconsin, Iowa and New Hampshire because, although it favored Obama big-time, it wasn’t a large portion of the vote. The kind of immigration reform pushed by Democrats would tend to change this.

Moreover, because Hispanics favor Democratic positions on a wide range of big issues having nothing to do with immigration, supporting liberal immigration reform will not win many Hispanic votes. Given these realities, I see no political case, from a Republican point of view, for supporting a path to citizenship for illegal aliens. To contrary, supporting such reform looks something like an act of political suicide.



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KEYWORDS: 2012analysis; 2012analysisreligion; 2012electionanalysis; elections; hispanics; isnotdemographics; isnothispanicsstupid; isnthispanicsstupid; itsnotdemographics; romney; tisnotdemographics; tisnthispanicsstupid
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1 posted on 11/24/2012 8:54:00 AM PST by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

Disagree. Supporting amnesty doesn’t help the republican party with Hispanic people. Many of them have been here in America, longer than anybody else.


2 posted on 11/24/2012 8:56:23 AM PST by JCBreckenridge (They may take our lives... but they'll never take our FREEDOM!)
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To: SeekAndFind

WHITE VOTE IN PRESIDENTIAL ELECTIONS

2012: 72% of electorate, Romney 59, Obama 39

2008: 74% of electorate, McCain 55, Obama 43

2004: 77% of electorate, Bush 58, Kerry 41

2000: 81% of electorate, Bush 55, Gore 42

1996: 83% of electorate, Dole 46, Clinton 44 (Perot 9)

1992: 87% of electorate, Bush 41, Clinton 39 (Perot 21)

1988: 85% of electorate, Bush 60, Dukakis 40

1984: 86% of electorate, Reagan 66, Mondale 34

1980: 88% of electorate, Reagan 56, Carter 36 (Anderson 8)

1976: 89% of electorate, Ford 52, Carter 48

AVERAGE DEMOCRATIC WHITE VOTE SHARE: 40.6%


3 posted on 11/24/2012 8:57:28 AM PST by Silver Sabre
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To: SeekAndFind

I know they’re still counting, but what’s the actual vote count/difference as of today ?


4 posted on 11/24/2012 9:01:18 AM PST by knarf (I say things that are true ... I have no proof ... but they're true)
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To: knarf

good place to keep up on it

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/lv?key=0AjYj9mXElO_QdHpla01oWE1jOFZRbnhJZkZpVFNKeVE&toomany=true


5 posted on 11/24/2012 9:06:14 AM PST by stylin19a (obama -> Fredo smart)
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To: SeekAndFind

Apparently one Saxbe Chambliss who says he’s from GA but was not born there is self-appointed head of ther GOP Suicide Brigade and proud of it!


6 posted on 11/24/2012 9:09:03 AM PST by Theodore R. ("Hey, they must all be crazy out there!")
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To: Silver Sabre

thanks for this. It shoots down some of my assumptions.


7 posted on 11/24/2012 9:10:18 AM PST by stylin19a (obama -> Fredo smart)
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To: JCBreckenridge

I for one am not about to cede the sovereignty of this country, even to Americans of Hispanic origin simply because they have some connection to their illegal invader brothers, sisters, cousins, uncles, aunts, etc. and wish to bypass all established immigration law and put these people first, because they are Mexican - whatever.

I’m not going to kiss their butt, pander to them, or plead with them so they can see what they are doing to this country. If they persist, I’ll shun them too, not hire them, not support their businesses, nor offer any friendship. They will be as any Democrat to me - nonexistent.


8 posted on 11/24/2012 9:14:23 AM PST by Gaffer
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To: JCBreckenridge

I for one am not about to cede the sovereignty of this country, even to Americans of Hispanic origin simply because they have some connection to their illegal invader brothers, sisters, cousins, uncles, aunts, etc. and wish to bypass all established immigration law and put these people first, because they are Mexican - whatever.

I’m not going to kiss their butt, pander to them, or plead with them so they can see what they are doing to this country. If they persist, I’ll shun them too, not hire them, not support their businesses, nor offer any friendship. They will be as any Democrat to me - nonexistent.


9 posted on 11/24/2012 9:14:23 AM PST by Gaffer
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To: JCBreckenridge

Isn’t that what Byron said?


10 posted on 11/24/2012 9:14:28 AM PST by stanne
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To: SeekAndFind

Face it: The unconstitutionally elected admitted foreign born Kenyan unconstitutionally won a 2nd term because of voter fraud. I find it curious that months before the election, even right before the election, just about all the reader comments on every single newspaper website in this country were in favor of Romney. Do liberals ignore news websites? I don’t thinks so, not with their fat mouths. Even the liberal New York Daily news here in liberal New York endorsed Romney, but still the admitted foreign born Kenyan unconstitutionally won a 2nd term. So we are just all suppose to believe that this POTUS that even liberals were fed up with, who is probably the worst POTUS in American history, won the election over a guy whose business is creating jobs? Cha right.


11 posted on 11/24/2012 9:17:03 AM PST by GrandJediMasterYoda (Someday our schools we will teach the difference between "lose" and "loose")
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To: SeekAndFind

It would be nice if anyone cared what is best for America.


12 posted on 11/24/2012 9:17:32 AM PST by Andrei Bulba (No Obama, no way!)
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To: knarf

RE: I know they’re still counting, but what’s the actual vote count/difference as of today ?

Maybe this site will help:

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/elections/2012-election-results


13 posted on 11/24/2012 9:18:37 AM PST by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

Here’s my take on what really stopped Romney from winning.

Romney had Obama on the ropes, ready for the knockout, after the firs debate. Romney and his campaign team thought that, that would be enough to carry him the last remaining weeks until the election.

Romney failed to go for the knockout in the next two debates, figuring that, the last 2 debates weren’t as crucial, and that he could coast to the election with a lead given to him by that first debate. Fatal error. Once the enemy is down, you don’t give him a chance to get up again and recuperate. Obama needed the break he got and went right back to attacking Romney with the same lies and commercials which had him in the lead towards the beginning of the presidential campaign. People have very short memories and the results of the first debate were more than a month in the past, and since Obama was able to survive the last 2 debates, his original supporters came back to thinking he wasn’t such a loser after all.

It’s too late now, but, next time a republican has somebody like Obama ready for the knockout, the republican should put him away. No more dancing around and hoping for the best. Nice guys always finish last in politics and wars.


14 posted on 11/24/2012 9:23:23 AM PST by adorno (Y)
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To: Gaffer

Not every state has that luxury. We do not, and have never had that luxury here in Texas. There are plenty of hispanic citizens who have never left the state, and who’s parents have always been here as well.

Why assume that they are a monolith? They are not, and neither are we. They have a vested interest, just as much as we do - to see the preservation of law and order here in Texas, for which the current president cares little.

What are these people going to think when they see us pandering? They are going to see us as weak and untrustworthy.


15 posted on 11/24/2012 9:24:52 AM PST by JCBreckenridge (They may take our lives... but they'll never take our FREEDOM!)
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To: SeekAndFind

There is no law keeping Mexicans, Blacks, or Hottentots from voting Republican. The problem, so aptly put by Bill O’Reilly the night of the election, is that Democrats buy votes with promises of free stuff, and that’s what minorities and fornicating single women vote for.

No self-respecting conservative would run on a platform like that, so we will have to see them break the country.....but we can fight like hell to keep them from getting our tax money to keep the gravy train rolling.


16 posted on 11/24/2012 9:25:49 AM PST by txrefugee
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To: adorno

There is zero evidence to support your assertion that Romney was ahead after the first debate. His performance demonstrated that it was actually a contested election. But he was never ahead.


17 posted on 11/24/2012 9:27:03 AM PST by JCBreckenridge (They may take our lives... but they'll never take our FREEDOM!)
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To: SeekAndFind

Hispanics are just an excuse for losing rather than face the real reason. Romney and the GOP have lost the working democrats [aka Reagan Republicans]. Putting up a ticket of Rubio and West is a mirage if the GOP thinks mongering solves their problem.


18 posted on 11/24/2012 9:28:34 AM PST by ex-snook (without forgiveness there is no Christianity)
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To: adorno

I’m thinking absentee and early voting killed Romney. It was made to order for the Democrat fraud machine.


19 posted on 11/24/2012 9:29:04 AM PST by headstamp 2 (What would Scooby do?)
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To: stanne

I’d have to look it up. I really don’t see what Republicans have to gain by demonizing the folks who are the descendents of folks who have been in Texas since God knows when. This is their home as it is our home, and we should work together.


20 posted on 11/24/2012 9:30:37 AM PST by JCBreckenridge (They may take our lives... but they'll never take our FREEDOM!)
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To: adorno

RE: Romney failed to go for the knockout in the next two debates

OK, what were the knockout punches Romney failed to deliver?


21 posted on 11/24/2012 9:31:13 AM PST by SeekAndFind
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To: Silver Sabre
If just one in five people who voted for Palin/McCain would have made the effort to recruit a new conservative voter instead of just griping to friends, Romney could have won by over 12 MILLION votes!
22 posted on 11/24/2012 9:37:27 AM PST by Baynative
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To: txrefugee

Short version: Republicans don’t fight. Who wants to elect a loser? When I was a kid I was short, fat, near-sighted, clumsy, and Jewish in a virulently anti-Semitic town. Gangs of thugs would line-up to beat me on the way home from school. My nose was usually broken and my eyes blackened. I was left unconscious by the side of the road after being beaten. My dad had a simple answer: fight back even if you lose. No bully wants a bloody nose or a black eye. So I did. And the beatings stopped. Cold. I got a reputation as a crazy kid who wouldn’t back-down from a fight no matter the size of the opponent.


23 posted on 11/24/2012 9:37:55 AM PST by pabianice (washington, dc ..)
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To: SeekAndFind

Hence the idiocy of GW Bush, in my eyes.

Why would a conservative flood the nation with illegal aliens for 8 years solid, when it was readily apparent to anyone with a brain that those flooding the borders were natural entrenched Democrat Party voters by and large.

Now when you consider GW Bush was just a socialist light NWO one-worlder globalist, then his flooding the USA with illegal immigrants for 8 years straight makes more sense.

The fix is in. We have been sold out by BOTH parties. We have no representation in government. The power above the apparent power runs everything. After Obama, Jed Bush will get his turn to push us further into socialism.

The fix is in. We just have the illusion of Democracy.


24 posted on 11/24/2012 9:40:44 AM PST by Freedom_Is_Not_Free (Pray to God. Apologize to your children.)
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To: adorno

An EXCELLENT analysis. It was a fatal error. Continuing the boxing analogy, in a championship boxing match the champ has a natural edge and if you’re the challenger you cannot rely on the judges to give you a win by decision. You have to produce an overwhelmingly convincing win — either by a dominant round by round victory, a KO or TKO. If the match is close and goes to the judges’ scorecards, the champ is going to get the “win”. That is how it nearly always works.

The only things I would add to your analysis would be that (1) Obama was able to exploit the fortuitious timing of superstorm Sandy, (2) Team Obama clearly cooked the economic numbers in their favor in the critical months leading up to the election, and (3) as expected, the MSM propagand machine continued supporting Obama with favorable coverage.


25 posted on 11/24/2012 9:45:17 AM PST by Starboard
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To: JCBreckenridge

I’m not against those that are American first. I simply said that I am not about to pander to them. If they feel that ethnicity, country of origin, etc. is more important and that I have to pander to that, then they have another think coming.

Our appeals should be limited to principles and ideas, not ethnicity or heritage other than this country.


26 posted on 11/24/2012 9:46:58 AM PST by Gaffer
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To: Gaffer

Agree, wholeheartedly. I think we CAN make the sale to them, but that it will take effort. I also don’t think we can afford to write them off either.


27 posted on 11/24/2012 9:49:24 AM PST by JCBreckenridge (They may take our lives... but they'll never take our FREEDOM!)
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To: JCBreckenridge

Well, if one is to believe any of the polls that came out in the next couple of weeks after the first debate, then, Romney was definitely ahead in the better known polls, like Rasmussen and Gallup.

I still maintain that, Romney could have won if he had gone for the knockout after the first debate.


28 posted on 11/24/2012 9:53:16 AM PST by adorno (Y)
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To: GrandJediMasterYoda

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http://www.wnd.com/2012/11/adding-up-the-evidence-to-a-stolen-election/

http://politicaloutcast.com/2012/11/allen-west-mitt-romney-and-the-massive-voter-fraud-machine/

http://www.truethevote.org/news/how-widespread-is-voter-fraud-2012-facts-figures

http://foxnewsinsider.com/tag/voter-fraud/

http://www.humanevents.com/2012/11/01/voter-fraud-is-no-myth-its-more-common-than-you-think/

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http://video.foxnews.com/v/4279497/obama-stole-election/

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Thousands of military votes uncounted or missing:

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http://www.humanevents.com/2012/09/17/vote-fraud-alert-one-out-of-five-registered-ohio-voters-is-bogus/#.UJsjsmjNq5x.twitter

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29 posted on 11/24/2012 9:53:52 AM PST by patriot08 (NATIVE TEXAN (girl type))
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To: JCBreckenridge

I’m not gonna write them off. I’m just not gonna pander to them by dangling amnesty in front of them. They should know the real score here and what’s at stake. If they are real Americans, they will know in their hearts what to do.


30 posted on 11/24/2012 9:54:43 AM PST by Gaffer
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To: stanne

Yes - but he disagrees anyway!


31 posted on 11/24/2012 9:56:28 AM PST by pghoilman (Earth First. We'll drill the rest of the galaxy later.)
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To: SeekAndFind

The real reason Obama won was because the number of conservatives stayed home or voted 3rd party was sufficient to let Obama steal the election through voter fraud. The election was stolen, but it may not have been stolen if the GOP had run a conservative candidate that excited the conservative base, rather than yet another socialist light who caused the base to come out in weak numbers.

It was McLame all over again. The GOP never learn. Or rather, they play their role perfectly in these elections “for show” while the power above the apparent power calls the shots and dictates terms.

We have been sold out by both parties. The fix is in.


32 posted on 11/24/2012 9:56:42 AM PST by Freedom_Is_Not_Free (Pray to God. Apologize to your children.)
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To: pabianice

Thank you for sharing. This is a great story of adversity and the lesson that I take is just make it very unpleasant for someone to abuse you. Winning, in these situations, is just getting them off your back so you can get back to doing your job in peace.


33 posted on 11/24/2012 10:00:09 AM PST by stanne
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To: Freedom_Is_Not_Free

“The fix is in. We have been sold out by BOTH parties.”
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At the risk of stating the obvious, the Democrat Party has moved much further left but the Republcans have also shifted to the left. We are no longer a right of center country, at least for now.

However, the impending economic calamity looming before us and the widespread pain it will cause will likely result in a major reorientation of everyone’s thinking. Our economic situation is simply unsustainable and it will have political repercussions when the system collapses and is no longer able to support government largesse that the masses have become accustomed to. Greece is like watching a movie trailer for the coming US chaos. The grand illusion of printing prosperity will soon be over.


34 posted on 11/24/2012 10:02:48 AM PST by Starboard
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To: adorno

“like Rasmussen and Gallup.”

The same polls that were off by 5 and 7 percent, respectively.


35 posted on 11/24/2012 10:03:16 AM PST by JCBreckenridge (They may take our lives... but they'll never take our FREEDOM!)
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To: headstamp 2

That is true about absentee and early voting, but, I would also throw in the “get out the vote” effort that was unmatched by the Romney team.

Obama and the democrats wanted to get the early voters to the polls before they could change their minds after the debates, and, of course, they put out a good effort to get those people to vote early.

What I fail to see in any of the post-mortem debates/discussions, is any real good suggestions for the future campaigns, and for the selection of good candidates who will show up to fight dirty when needed, and that can match that liberals’ campaign style. Being the “nice party” or the “nice candidate”, isn’t going to win us any battles when the enemy comes out with their dirty weapons.

It’s a tired cliche, but, let’s stop being “Mr Nice Guy”. We have the ideas and the logic behind our intentions, but, we also need to make sure that, dirty tricks can’t continue winning and we just continue complaining about the liberal bias in the media. We need new ideas, and I don’t see anyone proposing any. The only ideas I’ve seen, are losers, like, we need to be more like them and be more flexible in our positions. That would just turn us into a division of the democratic party, so, why even try?


36 posted on 11/24/2012 10:06:00 AM PST by adorno (Y)
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To: SeekAndFind

The answer is to evangelize the unwashed amongst various voting blocs that the democrats perform strongly with.


37 posted on 11/24/2012 10:08:15 AM PST by Homer1
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To: JCBreckenridge

The Constitution does not provide for respect paid to any group or individual who pays no respect for loyalty to the U.S.

I didn’t say anything about the GOP demonizing anyone. That kind of inflammatory language is geared to induce guilt for having a sovereign country.

If the Hispanics were here first or not, we have a country and they can either respect it or not.

Even the European countries protect their respective languages, borders and culture, and look at how overrun they are.

No. Every immigrant who came through NYC until the 1970s respected We the people- our borders, language and culture.

There is no excuse not to continue doing so. It is seditious not to do so.


38 posted on 11/24/2012 10:10:13 AM PST by stanne
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To: JCBreckenridge

They are going to see us as weak and untrustworthy.
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You’re abvolutely right. Being perceived as weak or shifty is NEVER a good thing.


39 posted on 11/24/2012 10:10:24 AM PST by Starboard
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To: patriot08
The "winner take all" apportionment of electoral votes, especially in states with majority Republican congressional majorities, is an invitation to mob rule and vote fraud.

If all the swing states apportioned their electoral votes by congressional district, plus two statewide for the senators, there would be much less incentive for vote fraud, and there would be fewer Democrat presidents.

The big cities would have an incentive to encourage their inhabitants to rise to the level of civilized humans.

This would actually be closer to a "republican form of government", which the Constitution guarantees to every state.

40 posted on 11/24/2012 10:11:55 AM PST by meadsjn
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41 posted on 11/24/2012 10:14:36 AM PST by onyx (FREE REPUBLIC IS HERE TO STAY! DONATE MONTHLY! IF YOU WANT ON SARAH PALIN''S PING LIST, LET ME KNOW)
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To: JCBreckenridge
The same polls that were off by 5 and 7 percent, respectively.

Those polls were not off.

Those polls very likely reflected how the people felt, but, those polls have no way of accounting for voter fraud, which is how Obama won.
42 posted on 11/24/2012 10:18:16 AM PST by adorno (Y)
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To: SeekAndFind

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43 posted on 11/24/2012 10:18:50 AM PST by arthurus (Read Hazlitt's Economics In One Lesson ONLINE www.fee.org/library/books/economics-in-one-lesson)
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To: SeekAndFind

Romney failed to change the morally relative culture and to reeducate the brainwashed into realizing that voting is for the good of the country (preservation of the Constitution) or there will BE no country to pay for all of those votes the Dems are selling (the GOP too).

How could he have done so?

He couldn’t have.

Candy Crowley, the other “Moderators” the GOP allowed, Soros’ vote counting machines, Republican governor backstabbing on the world stage, selfish, fat&comfy electorate are all too much for one person to overcome. Romney was not a perfect candidate but no one is going to be better.

It’ll be about the electorate in the end, as history will see it. Give away birth contro an dabortions.

We’re going to look like the evil Mayans. What civilization in history, going back to the time of Homer and the ancient Greece, killed millions of innocents on a yealy basis?

We need to let go of Romney.


44 posted on 11/24/2012 10:19:17 AM PST by stanne
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To: stanne

“fat&comfy electorate are all too much for one person to overcome”
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I know lots of people who sympathize with the Tea Party but usually have “other things to do” when it comes time to showing up for rallies. Too comfy to spend a couple of hours away from their golf game. Sunshine patriots and fair weather voters basically.


45 posted on 11/24/2012 10:25:24 AM PST by Starboard
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To: adorno

We also need to get some new blood and get rid of some fossils on our side.


46 posted on 11/24/2012 10:28:42 AM PST by headstamp 2 (What would Scooby do?)
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To: adorno

Yes, they were off, by 5 and 7 points respectively.

“accounting for voter fraud, which is how Obama won.”

Nope. Obama won because he earned more votes than Mitt Romney.


47 posted on 11/24/2012 10:28:42 AM PST by JCBreckenridge (They may take our lives... but they'll never take our FREEDOM!)
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To: ex-snook

All this talk of why Romney lost is BS! He lost because he couldn’t even get the votes that Juan McAmnesty got in 2008. The conservatives who sat home instead of voting for Romney elected the marxist again. That is fact. No need in blaming anyone else. Romney could not excite the base. He lost.
Move on. Nothing to see here. The same thing will happen again in four years if another democrat light runs against Hillary Clinton. For my two cents the only republican that can win is Scott Walker. Forget the RINO Bushes, RINO Christie. The republicans had better run a conservative or they are done as party. McAmnesty and Willard should be proof enough.


48 posted on 11/24/2012 10:39:36 AM PST by NKP_Vet
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To: JCBreckenridge
Nope. Obama won because he earned more votes than Mitt Romney.

You are right. And voter fraud is one way of getting more votes than the other guy.

Another way that Obama got more votes, is through what Romney accused Obama and the democrats of doing. When the democrats and Obama promise to give their voters a lot of "free" stuff from government (at the expense of the productive members of society), then, the 47% would, of course, go for the "freebies". Nobody can compete against "free".
49 posted on 11/24/2012 10:47:10 AM PST by adorno (Y)
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To: adorno

“And voter fraud is one way of getting more votes than the other guy.”

You’re still not getting it. I said he EARNED more votes than Romney.


50 posted on 11/24/2012 10:53:15 AM PST by JCBreckenridge (They may take our lives... but they'll never take our FREEDOM!)
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