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Hurricane Sandy: Staten Island Survivors
The Atlantic ^ | 11/21/12

Posted on 11/21/2012 7:15:33 PM PST by Kartographer

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There was a lot of despicable low-life post about these poor souls right here on FR. Stuff that was way out of line and some of the lowest stuff I have ever seen posted of FR, they were more like something out of DU or some other far left trash pit.

For those of you who don't know Staten Island is a bastion of conservatives caught behind the GREAT BLUE WALL. Just like so many of our California FReepers and much to my fear soon to be true of us New Mexican FReepers as well. On top of that they are fellow Americans that have done us no direct harm and that is enough for me.

I have to ask how many of you would choose to spout your trash talk to 89 year-old World War II veteran Michael Arbinni who's home that was built by his father was destroyed? How many would care to spout their garbage to Anthony Morotto who at the height of Hurricane Sandy, heard screaming from behind his home, one of only a handful in the area with a second story. Morotto tied a rope to his waist and pulled three neighbors from the flood in through his second story window.

The garbage I saw posted about these people reminds me of two quotes the first is from Michael Shaara's 'The Killer Angels': "Any man who judges by the group is a peawit. You take men one at a a time,..."

The second is from Charles Dickens 'A Christmas Carol': "It may well be that, in the sight of Heaven, you are more worthless and less fit to live than MILLIONS..."

1 posted on 11/21/2012 7:15:38 PM PST by Kartographer
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To: metmom

I tried.


2 posted on 11/21/2012 7:17:04 PM PST by Kartographer ("We mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.")
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To: Kartographer
Why, why, why isn't Obama being blamed for the destroyed lives from Sandy? He showed up for two photo-ops and is portrayed as the Savior. GWB did far more for Katrina survivors but was trashed. What can we average people do for the Sandy survivors? I just don't want Obama to get credit for the good to come out of the charity we offer for Sandy's people. (and I am well aware of the Reagan quote 'you can do a lot of good if you don't worry about who gets credit'. I am just tired of Obama getting credit for everyone else's good work)
3 posted on 11/21/2012 7:28:19 PM PST by originalbuckeye
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To: Kartographer

Funny... I don’t recall you getting your knickers all in a bunch by the similar despicable posts here during the Texas wildfires in 2011. Of course that was high primary season, and hatin’ on Perry was all the vogue...

Selective memory I guess. Or predjudice. Or who knows what.

Anyway, you’re painting with a pretty broad brush there, kartographer. Maybe you could crank the self-righteousness down just a teensy bit.


4 posted on 11/21/2012 7:33:38 PM PST by Nervous Tick ("You can ignore reality, but you can't ignore the consequences of ignoring reality.")
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To: Kartographer

Didn’t know this about Staten Island. Have to take your word for it.

If true, (that it is a conservative community in a blue state), then I guess that explains a lot about why they seem to have been forgotten by both the president AND the media.

Lesson to be learned... if your living in a conservative community, dependent upon a liberal government, BAD PLACE TO BE! Get OUT


5 posted on 11/21/2012 7:36:31 PM PST by Safrguns
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To: Kartographer; Jim Robinson
I tried.

You tried what, to disparage Free Republic.

If it was truly that bad, which I don't recall, why didn't you hit the abuse button. You and I both know there are people here that get out of line but I know and believe you do too that Jim Robinson and the Mods do not abide such things.

Did you bother to contact JimRob or the Mods about these things. Hindsight is 20/20 but if you witnessed them then why didn't you complain?

6 posted on 11/21/2012 7:41:40 PM PST by jazusamo ("Intellect is not wisdom" -- Thomas Sowell)
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To: jazusamo

Since when did the the Truth become disparaging?

Looks like Orwell was right:“During times of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act”


7 posted on 11/21/2012 7:59:23 PM PST by Kartographer ("We mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.")
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To: Kartographer

I guess shutting down Shoreham nuclear Power Plant..................wasn’t such a bright Idea after all.

Go Build a Windmill. Then try flipping the switch!


8 posted on 11/21/2012 8:01:13 PM PST by EnglishOnly (Fight all out to win OR get out now.)
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To: Safrguns

Why Staten Island Went for McCain

http://cityroom.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/11/06/why-staten-island-went-for-mccain/


9 posted on 11/21/2012 8:02:47 PM PST by Kartographer ("We mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.")
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To: Kartographer

Then why didn’t you speak for the truth when it supposedly happened nearly a month ago?


10 posted on 11/21/2012 8:04:44 PM PST by jazusamo ("Intellect is not wisdom" -- Thomas Sowell)
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To: EnglishOnly

Wrong island, bro.

Many of the people of Staten Island are, in spirit, Freepers.

For decades SI had been the sole republican/conservative county in the southern tier of New York.

We got our asses kicked by a unique storm. We will recover, but we don’t appreciate bravo-sierra.

KMWIA


11 posted on 11/21/2012 8:16:21 PM PST by John Galt's cousin (Constitutional Conservatism NOW! * * * * * * * * * * Repeal the 17th Amendment!)
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To: Kartographer

Your empathy for people facing a tragedy is determined by their politics? I have seem many charitable and heroic acts by people of all stripes in time of need. Shame on you.


12 posted on 11/21/2012 8:16:34 PM PST by ffusco (The President will return this country to what it once was...An arctic wasteland covered in ice.)
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To: jazusamo; Jim Robinson

I did:
REPEATEDLY:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2952122/posts

Post #6

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2952206/posts

Post #23

You want more??


13 posted on 11/21/2012 8:17:37 PM PST by Kartographer ("We mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.")
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To: jazusamo

Read through this thread:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2956626/posts

Do you want MORE???


14 posted on 11/21/2012 8:22:31 PM PST by Kartographer ("We mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.")
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To: ffusco

Come again???


15 posted on 11/21/2012 8:25:12 PM PST by Kartographer ("We mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.")
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To: Kartographer
Nope, that's enough.

The first thread you linked your comment was removed, the second you posted you made no comment and the third thread comment is below:

Please DONOT Hijack this thread to spew your wish of hell and damnation on the residents of NY and NJ. They are fellow Americans and as the bible says the rain falls on the just and the unjust. Such rants are not what FR is about and is liken to the acts of DUmmies.

Kinda speaks for itself.

16 posted on 11/21/2012 8:39:23 PM PST by jazusamo ("Intellect is not wisdom" -- Thomas Sowell)
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To: jazusamo

To: One Name
You did an excellent job at something you didn’t me to do. So when was you last experience with something that knocked out the power to three million people?

Sounds bad yet there are a solid group of FReepers who will thump their chest and tell you it isn’t all that bad or outright hint you are exaggerating. Their seem to be a small but vocal contingent that I wouldn’t be surprise to hear them go up to the Lord after Armageddon and say: “Lord why all the hype in the Book of Revelations? I mean it wasn’t all that bad.”

Worse yet is all of the ‘ODS’ I’ve seen here on FR. Yes ‘Bama’ is horrible, yes he HAS GOT TO GO, but these people act like ‘Bama’ either conjurered up the storm or the whole thing is some Machiavellian plot out of a bad suspense novel. LIFE goes on, things happen. The storm doesn’t know or care that it’s election time or what ‘BAMA’ has done to this country.

I wouldn’t be surprised to hear of people who believed so much that the hurricane is just some leftist plot that they are caught unprepared for the storm and dying as a result of it crying out “It’s Obama’s fault” with their last breath!

Some seem to have reached a point where if they go to the doctor next week and he tells them that they have cancer it will be Obama’s fault! Or if they have a flat tire on the way to work next week it will be Obama’s fault! If you step on a crack and break your mother’s back it will be Obama’s fault!

To me this is the talk, methods and the mindset of the leftist. Its the same shill BS they spewed against George Bush. I thought we are better than that. I know we should be better than that. I am sure that we can be better than that.

The other thing I notice is that is the me, me, me mindset so many seem to be taking with this storm. Hell this storm will most likely KILL people and here’s people who are supposedly conservatives sounding like leftist. Everything is me me me. How is the Hurricane going to effect the election? And so on it’s sickening. So people are going to die and homes get lost and peoples lives get turned upside down and inside out, well that’s bad but how is it going to effect me? I guess it doesn’t matter what losses occur as long as it doesn’t effect the election. Seems many on FR have their priorities screwed up.

7 posted on Mon Oct 29 2012 21:26:48 GMT-0600 (Mountain Daylight Time) by Kartographer (”We mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.”)
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17 posted on 11/21/2012 8:42:44 PM PST by Kartographer ("We mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.")
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To: jazusamo

I truly believe that if the Yellowstone super volcano was to explode in a Krakatoa like event that there are a solid group of FReepers who will thump their chest and tell you it isn’t all that bad or outright claim the whole thing is exaggerated. I wouldn’t be surprise to hear them go up to the Lord after Armageddon and say: “Lord why all the hype in the Book of Revelations? I mean it wasn’t all that bad.”

Worse yet is all of the ‘ODS’ I’ve seen here on FR. Yes ‘Bama’ is horrible, yes he HAS GOT TO GO, but these people act like ‘Bama’ either conjurered up the storm or the whole thing is some Machiavellian plot out of a bad suspense novel. LIFE goes on, things happen. The storm doesn’t know or care that it’s election time or what ‘BAMA’ has done to this country.

I wouldn’t be surprised to hear of people who believed so much that the hurricane is just some leftist plot that they are caught unprepared for the storm and dying as a result of it crying out “It’s Obama’s fault” with their last breath!

Some seem to have reached a point where if they go to the doctor next week and he tells them that they have cancer it will be Obama’s fault! Or if they have a flat tire on the way to work next week it will be Obama’s fault! If you step on a crack and break your mother’s back it will be Obama’s fault!

To me this is the talk, methods and the mindset of the leftist. Its the same shill BS they spewed against George Bush. I thought we are better than that. I know we should be better than that. I am sure that we can be better than that.

The other thing I notice is that is the me, me, me mindset so many seem to be taking with this storm. Hell this storm will most likely KILL people and here’s people who are supposedly conservatives sounding like leftist. Everything is me me me. How is the Hurricane going to effect the election? And so on it’s sickening. So people are going to die and homes get lost and peoples lives get turned upside down and inside out, well that’s bad but how is it going to effect me? I guess it doesn’t matter what losses occur as long as it doesn’t effect the election. Seems many on FR have their priorities screwed up.


18 posted on 11/21/2012 8:43:41 PM PST by Kartographer ("We mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.")
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To: jazusamo

So now I’ve showed you just the kind of ‘garbage’ that was posted and that it was posted and that I spoke up against it repeatedly. I did all the things that a good FReeper and a good Christian should have done so what’s your complaint?


19 posted on 11/21/2012 8:45:57 PM PST by Kartographer ("We mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.")
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To: jazusamo

I listed my post and their # in my reply to you there are still there for all to read the were NOT REMOVED. I have now reposted them on this thread.


20 posted on 11/21/2012 8:48:28 PM PST by Kartographer ("We mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.")
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To: Kartographer

I think you need to take a break, take a vacation, drink some wine, clear your head and then come back fresh. :-)


21 posted on 11/21/2012 8:50:41 PM PST by jazusamo ("Intellect is not wisdom" -- Thomas Sowell)
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To: Kartographer

It seems you’re engaging in a little too much chest thumping yourself to be all that upset about chest thumping If FR is so bothersome to you, no one is holding a gun to your head.

Who owns this “SHTF Plan” website you’re forever posting to FR threads anyway? One might get the impression that you do.


22 posted on 11/21/2012 8:55:14 PM PST by RegulatorCountry
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To: jazusamo

BS I am standing up to a person that call me a liar not once but multiple times and who now after being proven wrong isn’t man enough to admit it. Not only did you call me a lair, but you then proceed to lie yourself cover-up the fact that you were wrong.

The truth will set you free. I am just trying to set your free.


23 posted on 11/21/2012 8:55:14 PM PST by Kartographer ("We mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.")
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To: RegulatorCountry

Not only do I NOT own it, but the my Preparedness Manual is down loadable for free. I don’t make a cent off of it.

As far as chest thumping well I don’t take being called a lair well. Tell me how well do you take it?


24 posted on 11/21/2012 8:58:20 PM PST by Kartographer ("We mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.")
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To: Kartographer
It will be interesting to see the new FEMA Flood Zone map for that area. 30 foot Serge walls will be back in vogue.. I would like just one question for the mayor. When are you going to tell all those people who work for you just how screwed they are. The little weasel has been letting them learn it one hit at a time.
25 posted on 11/21/2012 8:59:40 PM PST by Domangart
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To: John Galt's cousin

Where’s the best local place to donate clothes? If one were to get a coat drive going, or so. By your sign-off, I assume you are familiar with a Cath church with an affiliated elementary school.


26 posted on 11/21/2012 8:59:46 PM PST by stanne
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To: RegulatorCountry

By the way if my post of articles fro SHTF Plan bother you so much why do your read them? Someone holding a gun to your head?


27 posted on 11/21/2012 8:59:46 PM PST by Kartographer ("We mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.")
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To: Kartographer
You suffer delusions of grandeur, K. I never called you a liar but now that you mention it you never once pinged a Mod or the boss that I saw about all the supposed slander you “may” have imagined.

You seemed to be the one making the most noise.

Take a hike.

28 posted on 11/21/2012 9:00:48 PM PST by jazusamo ("Intellect is not wisdom" -- Thomas Sowell)
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To: stanne

I would say the Salvation Army. I have repeatedly read that they are often the first on hand in many disasters and do the most. By the way there was an article on FR about the need for underwear. People always think about donating clothes, but never underwear.


29 posted on 11/21/2012 9:02:31 PM PST by Kartographer ("We mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.")
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To: Kartographer

Thanks.


30 posted on 11/21/2012 9:05:09 PM PST by stanne
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To: Kartographer

If someone called me a “lair” I wouldn’t have the faintest idea what they were talking about.

“Free” is never free. You’re a one note wonder driving traffic from FR to a very limited, specific set of sites, one in particular. You are profiting from FR, imho, so the best thing for you to do would be to cease with the criticism of the site from which you’re deriving so much traffic. Just shut up.

I don’t intentionally read your threads, by the way, and never click through when I stumble into one of them due to viewing FR on the “comments” tab.


31 posted on 11/21/2012 9:06:09 PM PST by RegulatorCountry
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To: Kartographer
The garbage I saw posted about these people reminds me of two quotes the first is from Michael Shaara's 'The Killer Angels': "Any man who judges by the group is a peawit. You take men one at a a time,..."

You're right. I saw it too and defended against it.

32 posted on 11/21/2012 9:06:14 PM PST by FreeReign
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To: jazusamo

I pinged repeatedly

As far as call me a lair your own post:

“The first thread you linked your comment was removed, the second you posted you made no comment(cut)”

You say my comment was removed yet its there and I posted it. You say I didn’t comment yet I did and I posted it. What do you call that? the truth?


33 posted on 11/21/2012 9:06:22 PM PST by Kartographer ("We mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.")
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To: Kartographer

I don’t know what to tell you, here it is:

Superstorm Sandy slams into New Jersey coast, sends surge of seawater against NYC
AP via Yahoo News ^ | 10/29/12 | Erin McClam,Katie Zezima

Posted on Monday, October 29, 2012 7:51:38 PM by Kartographer

Sandy knocked out power to at least 3.1 million people, and New York’s main utility said large sections of Manhattan had been plunged into darkness by the storm. Water pressed into the island from three sides. Just before its centre reached land, the storm was stripped of hurricane status, but the distinction was purely technical, based on its shape and internal temperature. It still packed hurricane-force wind, and forecasters were careful to say it remained every bit as dangerous to the 50 million people in its path. As the storm closed in, it smacked the boarded-up big cities of the Northeast corridor — Washington, Baltimore, Philadelphia, New York and Boston — with stinging rain and gusts of more than 85 mph. It also converged with a cold-weather system that turned it into a superstorm, a monstrous hybrid consisting not only of rain and high wind but snow. Sandy made landfall at 8 p.m. near Atlantic City, which was already mostly under water and saw a piece of its world-famous Boardwalk washed away earlier in the day.

(Excerpt) Read more at news.yahoo.com ...


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34 posted on 11/21/2012 9:09:18 PM PST by jazusamo ("Intellect is not wisdom" -- Thomas Sowell)
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To: RegulatorCountry; Lazamataz; humblegunner; Eaker

Lazamataz, Humblegunner, eaker, as Semi-Official Blog Police can you assure this gentleman that I am not a ‘Blog Pimp’?

Thanks guys.


35 posted on 11/21/2012 9:13:15 PM PST by Kartographer ("We mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.")
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To: jazusamo

To: One Name
You did an excellent job at something you didn’t me to do. So when was you last experience with something that knocked out the power to three million people?

Sounds bad yet there are a solid group of FReepers who will thump their chest and tell you it isn’t all that bad or outright hint you are exaggerating. Their seem to be a small but vocal contingent that I wouldn’t be surprise to hear them go up to the Lord after Armageddon and say: “Lord why all the hype in the Book of Revelations? I mean it wasn’t all that bad.”

Worse yet is all of the ‘ODS’ I’ve seen here on FR. Yes ‘Bama’ is horrible, yes he HAS GOT TO GO, but these people act like ‘Bama’ either conjurered up the storm or the whole thing is some Machiavellian plot out of a bad suspense novel. LIFE goes on, things happen. The storm doesn’t know or care that it’s election time or what ‘BAMA’ has done to this country.

I wouldn’t be surprised to hear of people who believed so much that the hurricane is just some leftist plot that they are caught unprepared for the storm and dying as a result of it crying out “It’s Obama’s fault” with their last breath!

Some seem to have reached a point where if they go to the doctor next week and he tells them that they have cancer it will be Obama’s fault! Or if they have a flat tire on the way to work next week it will be Obama’s fault! If you step on a crack and break your mother’s back it will be Obama’s fault!

To me this is the talk, methods and the mindset of the leftist. Its the same shill BS they spewed against George Bush. I thought we are better than that. I know we should be better than that. I am sure that we can be better than that.

The other thing I notice is that is the me, me, me mindset so many seem to be taking with this storm. Hell this storm will most likely KILL people and here’s people who are supposedly conservatives sounding like leftist. Everything is me me me. How is the Hurricane going to effect the election? And so on it’s sickening. So people are going to die and homes get lost and peoples lives get turned upside down and inside out, well that’s bad but how is it going to effect me? I guess it doesn’t matter what losses occur as long as it doesn’t effect the election. Seems many on FR have their priorities screwed up.

7 posted on Mon Oct 29 2012 21:26:48 GMT-0600 (Mountain Daylight Time) by Kartographer (”We mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.”)
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36 posted on 11/21/2012 9:18:33 PM PST by Kartographer ("We mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.")
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To: FreeReign

Thanks FreeReign, but it seems we just imagined it.


37 posted on 11/21/2012 9:24:42 PM PST by Kartographer ("We mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.")
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To: Kartographer

Here’s the first of the three links you posted to me.

Now you can answer one simple question if you have the guts.

Did the Mod remove your comment #1 or not?

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2952122/posts

So long!


38 posted on 11/21/2012 9:25:26 PM PST by jazusamo ("Intellect is not wisdom" -- Thomas Sowell)
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To: Kartographer

LOL!


39 posted on 11/21/2012 9:25:30 PM PST by RegulatorCountry
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To: Kartographer

You hijacked your own thread because you’re pissed. Was that your goal?


40 posted on 11/21/2012 9:31:49 PM PST by Gene Eric (Demoralization is a weapon of the enemy. Don't get it, don't spread it!)
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To: jazusamo

No because that comment wasn’t mine. My comment is farther down in the thread.

I doesn’t matter your initial post you claimed that I was disparage Free Republic by claiming something happen that didn’t, but it did and repeatedly. I did report many many of the worse of the abuses. It wasn’t just those three threads I can show you such post on dozens of threads.


41 posted on 11/21/2012 9:32:12 PM PST by Kartographer ("We mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.")
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To: Gene Eric

Not really, but if you don’t speak up when your own do something wrong how can you stand against others when they are?


42 posted on 11/21/2012 9:34:19 PM PST by Kartographer ("We mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.")
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To: Kartographer
Thanks FreeReign, but it seems we just imagined it.

Oh it happened alright.

And you're welcome.

43 posted on 11/21/2012 9:36:36 PM PST by FreeReign
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To: Kartographer; jazusamo

A few communities here in CT are offering housing for Staten Island residents affected by Sandy.

People who weren’t on the original threads won’t understand the rancor you are talking about. They can Monday morning quarterback all they want, several FReepers saw what happened.

Never saw jazusamo on a single one of those threads, so he/she seems like they are talking out their posterior.


44 posted on 11/21/2012 9:37:42 PM PST by Betis70 ("Leading from Behind" gets your Ambassador killed)
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To: Kartographer
No because that comment wasn’t mine. My comment is farther down in the thread.

Are you dense or what?

The #1 comment is the comment for the person who posts the thread.

The person who posted that thread was named Kartographer.

Are you trying to say we have two Kartogragher's here at Free Republic.

I guess maybe in your own mind we may have two here but in realty you're the only Kartographer at FR.

45 posted on 11/21/2012 9:43:10 PM PST by jazusamo ("Intellect is not wisdom" -- Thomas Sowell)
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To: Kartographer

Being from CA, I and a few others are used to these types of comments, such as wishing and hoping for the death and destruction of other Americans. I’ve seen it countless times, right here.


46 posted on 11/21/2012 9:44:29 PM PST by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: Kartographer

I know the area you’re talking about, and understand your frustration. But probably best to address the individual posts as they occur and forget about making the general statement of condemnation. It managed to ensure a good FRiend.


47 posted on 11/21/2012 9:44:53 PM PST by Gene Eric (Demoralization is a weapon of the enemy. Don't get it, don't spread it!)
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To: Gene Eric

It managed to ensnare a good FRiend.


48 posted on 11/21/2012 9:45:34 PM PST by Gene Eric (Demoralization is a weapon of the enemy. Don't get it, don't spread it!)
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To: Betis70; FreeReign
Thanks Betis70 and FreeReign they almost had me convinced I was a lair or imagining the whole ugly affair.

The truth is incontrovertible. Malice may attack it, ignorance may deride it, but in the end, there it is.
Winston Churchill
49 posted on 11/21/2012 9:45:46 PM PST by Kartographer ("We mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.")
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To: dragnet2

Yup. I used to live in California and I think you and I experienced the same here on FR in the past.


50 posted on 11/21/2012 9:48:30 PM PST by Betis70 ("Leading from Behind" gets your Ambassador killed)
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