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Judge: Hobby Lobby must offer morning-after pill
Associated Press ^ | 11/19/2012 | TIM TALLEY

Posted on 11/19/2012 9:00:22 PM PST by haffast

OKLAHOMA CITY (AP) — A federal judge Monday rejected Hobby Lobby Stores Inc.'s request to block part of the federal health care overhaul that requires the arts and craft supply company to provide insurance coverage for the morning-after and week-after birth control pills.

In a 28-page ruling, U.S. District Judge Joe Heaton denied a request by Hobby Lobby to prevent the government from enforcing portions of the health care law mandating insurance coverage for contraceptives the company's Christian owners consider objectionable.

The Oklahoma City-based company and a sister company, Mardel Inc., sued the government in September, claiming the mandate violates the owners' religious beliefs. The owners contend the morning-after and week-after birth control pills are tantamount to abortion because they can prevent a fertilized egg from implanting in a woman's womb. They also object to providing coverage for certain kinds of intrauterine devices.

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Hobby Lobby's attorney said the companies' owners will appeal.

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Hobby Lobby is the largest business to file a lawsuit against the mandate.

Hobby Lobby calls itself a "biblically founded business" and is closed on Sundays. Founded in 1972, the company now operates more than 500 stores in 41 states and employs more than 13,000 full-time employees who are eligible for health insurance coverage. The company, which is self-insured, has said it will face a daily $1.3 million fine beginning Jan. 1 if it ignores the law.

"It is by God's grace and provision that Hobby Lobby has endured," said David Green, founder and CEO. "Therefore we seek to honor God by operating the company in a manner consistent with biblical principles."

The Green family has said it has no moral objection to the use of other contraceptives and will continue covering them for its employees.

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KEYWORDS: abortion; christian; evil; hobbylobby; moralabsolutes; obamacare; qstamendment
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The Green family also own and operate a chain of Christian bookstores.

http://www.mardel.com/

http://hobbylobby.com/

1 posted on 11/19/2012 9:00:39 PM PST by haffast
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To: haffast

http://www.mardel.com/

http://hobbylobby.com/

(For the phone users) :)


2 posted on 11/19/2012 9:02:03 PM PST by Bradís Gramma (Psalm 83)
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To: haffast
Only one thing to do: Close shop.
3 posted on 11/19/2012 9:03:16 PM PST by Dogbert41 (What now?)
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To: Dogbert41

I’ll miss them. but yes. That is what is left.


4 posted on 11/19/2012 9:09:25 PM PST by cableguymn (The founding fathers would be shooting by now..)
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To: haffast

Terrible.


5 posted on 11/19/2012 9:10:54 PM PST by Oldeconomybuyer (The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money.)
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To: haffast
"Plaintiffs have not cited, and the court has not found, any case concluding that secular, for-profit corporations such as Hobby Lobby and Mardel have a constitutional right to the free exercise of religion," the ruling said.

To me, this statement seems absurd in the extreme.
6 posted on 11/19/2012 9:11:21 PM PST by Pox (Good Night. I expect more respect tomorrow.)
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To: Brad's Gramma

Thank-you!


7 posted on 11/19/2012 9:13:09 PM PST by haffast
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To: haffast

Drop your employee’s insurance and pay the fine. It’s cheaper. Tell your employees that you’re sorry but ‘talk to the 0bama.’


8 posted on 11/19/2012 9:14:16 PM PST by TigersEye (Who is John Galt?)
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To: Dogbert41
"Only one thing to do: Close shop"

I think they have an option to make all employees part-time. Of course, that would be destructive in many ways.

9 posted on 11/19/2012 9:14:48 PM PST by UnwashedPeasant
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To: haffast

I don’t know why this is so hard, the answer is simple, the STate using the Kelo decision as legal grounds, should immediately begin seizing the Homes of Federal Employees, starting with all Federal Employees classified as Public Servants and use the proceeds to pay for the Requirements imposed on their citizens by Obamacare. definitely satisfies the economic need requirement of Kelo.


10 posted on 11/19/2012 9:17:59 PM PST by eyeamok
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To: Pox

Corporations, as collective groups of citizen-investors-owners
are not protected by the Bill of Rights.

News to me.

Jefferson, Madison, Hamilton. et al might have differed.


11 posted on 11/19/2012 9:20:40 PM PST by One Name (Ultimately, the TRUTH is a razor's edge and no man can sit astride it.)
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To: Dogbert41

Option 2: drop all insurance, pay the fine and let the employees see how wonderful Obamacare’s Exchange policies are.


12 posted on 11/19/2012 9:29:43 PM PST by 5thGenTexan
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To: One Name
In his ruling denying Hobby Lobby's request for an injunction, Heaton said that while churches and other religious organizations have been granted constitutional protection from the birth-control provisions, "Hobby Lobby and Mardel are not religious organizations."

In his decision the judge seems to recognize the rights of some organizations. It begs the question; do only religious organizations have religious rights? What about individuals? Apparently an individual who owns a business does not.

13 posted on 11/19/2012 9:30:10 PM PST by TigersEye (Who is John Galt?)
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To: TigersEye

Problem with that is the fine is used to pay for the very things they are against.


14 posted on 11/19/2012 9:30:54 PM PST by cableguymn (The founding fathers would be shooting by now..)
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To: Pox

“Plaintiffs have not cited, and the court has not found, any case concluding that secular, for-profit corporations such as Hobby Lobby and Mardel have a constitutional right to the free exercise of religion,” the ruling said.”

Maybe something like,,”Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof;,,”

Says nothing about secullar,, for-profit,,only individuals,, nothing. Just says “shall make no law,, free exercise”


15 posted on 11/19/2012 9:32:49 PM PST by DesertRhino (I was standing with a rifle, waiting for soviet paratroopers, but communists just ran for office.)
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To: cableguymn

It’s less though. It’s not voluntary it’s forced at the point of a gun so no karma is accrued.


16 posted on 11/19/2012 9:33:28 PM PST by TigersEye (Who is John Galt?)
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To: haffast

If I were CEO of Hobby Lobby I would issue an internal order to HR, the law department, and the person responsible for negotiating emplyoee health insurance to ignore this Judge and Obama. See ya in court again.


17 posted on 11/19/2012 9:36:54 PM PST by Cheerio (Barry Hussein Soetoro-0bama=The Complete Destruction of American Capitalism)
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To: TigersEye
Either way it is just what Obama wants... he wants every American forced off of private insurance plans and onto government assistance, and if you pay the fine he still wins, because those employees will have to go on the government plan. This is pure evil...coercion. Maybe the solution is to have well paid subcontractors instead, but then Obama will get them onto the government entitlement because then THEY will have to pay the fine or sign up for the plan instead of Hobby Lobby.
18 posted on 11/19/2012 9:38:58 PM PST by piasa (Attitude adjustments offered here free of charge)
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To: cableguymn

Don’t pay the fine. Salt away a lot of cash that they can’t find.

Then when prepared, refuse to pay the fine, OR offer morning after pill. Force the Kenyan to send federal marshalls to physically close the stores. Put huge signs out front of each closed store, “Closed by Order of Obama”.

The Ba$tard does not want the fight. He desperately wants threats to force compliance. If that fails, then he must act and look like he dictator he is. He does not want the bad “optics”, and we can force it upon him.


19 posted on 11/19/2012 9:39:43 PM PST by DesertRhino (I was standing with a rifle, waiting for soviet paratroopers, but communists just ran for office.)
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To: piasa

OK.


20 posted on 11/19/2012 9:40:07 PM PST by TigersEye (Who is John Galt?)
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To: TigersEye

If one would transplant themselves back to the era of the Founders- you would find many purely secular enterprises but also find many quasi-religious enterprises, such as the Quakers, Catholics, etc.

The Bill of Rights extends to all citizens, whether they are part of a church, are owners of a business, are part of a partnership,stockholders in a corporation or are just free individuals.

Not a tough concept.


21 posted on 11/19/2012 9:42:21 PM PST by One Name (Ultimately, the TRUTH is a razor's edge and no man can sit astride it.)
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To: haffast

Layoffs a’comin’!!


22 posted on 11/19/2012 9:42:56 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet (You cannot invade the mainland United States. There would be a rifle behind every blade of grass.)
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To: One Name

Nope, not a tough concept at all. The judge is just another commie embedded in the system some time ago.


23 posted on 11/19/2012 9:44:05 PM PST by TigersEye (Who is John Galt?)
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To: haffast

The United States has become a very dark and sinister place.


24 posted on 11/19/2012 9:47:31 PM PST by SpaceBar
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To: TigersEye

We’re talking about Christianity, not karma. The commandments don’t have a footnote on them that says “can be ignored when you are threatened.” The one about not murdering is pretty clear. And the one about having no gods before God is pretty clear as to who should be feared more than the government.


25 posted on 11/19/2012 9:47:49 PM PST by piasa (Attitude adjustments offered here free of charge)
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To: DesertRhino

You’ve got it. Force commander zero to padlock businesses, defacto siezure of private property, put law abiding citizens in handcuffs and be led away on national tv.


26 posted on 11/19/2012 9:51:52 PM PST by Eagles6 (Valley Forge Redux)
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To: haffast
Plaintiffs have not cited, and the court has not found, any case concluding that secular, for-profit corporations such as Hobby Lobby and Mardel have a constitutional right to the free exercise of religion," the ruling said.

A case? Why not try reading the Constitution?

Also - under this logic - it would seem that "a secular, for profit corporation" that is a media / press organization does not have a constitutional right to freedom of the press and could have its contents controlled by the government?

27 posted on 11/19/2012 9:52:22 PM PST by Republican Wildcat
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To: DesertRhino

You’re right, the libs don’t want the fight. They expect the threats to work and will make only enough attacks as is neccessary to instill fear, but not so many as to provoke a civil war. The libs are banking on most people simply surrendering, and those they have hooked on this crack of theirs they know they will them forever. History is with them for the most part, with the exception of prohibition, but then speakeasy moonshine and rum was and is more popular than communion wine.


28 posted on 11/19/2012 9:54:34 PM PST by piasa (Attitude adjustments offered here free of charge)
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To: TigersEye

The First Amendment does not confer or guarantee any sort of religious freedom, even to the Church, in an Obamanation; we now consider it as a nullity. Obamacare particularly qualifies as an income tax insofar as one must generate income with which to pay the tax; therefore, it falls under the Sixteenth Amendment, which naturally overrides any provision of any preceding amendment, especially the First. Individual Americans moreover did not build businesses; rather, enterprises exist as a creature of big government alone for the good of big government to follow the orders and commands and mandates of big government.

Moving forward, Hobby Lobby should thank the judge graciously for clarifying its obligations and options. Hobby Lobby then must shut down its health insurance, reduce its employee compensation to account for the consequent tax against Hobby Lobby, and instruct its employees and their spouses and children to avoid any professional health care entirely. They moreover must pay a special tax from their reduced compensation for the privilege of lacking health insurance or access to medicine.

As a practical matter, this means for example that the wife of an employee will deliver their baby at home without medical attention rather than in a hospital equipped to handle any complications. She also will get no prenatal care beyond that which she can self-administer with the assistance of her husband. Such are the risks that people must assume for themselves in an Obamanation. Fortunately, even amateurs still can access limited medical information via libraries and Internet connections.


29 posted on 11/19/2012 9:57:55 PM PST by dufekin (Obama and Pelosi: at war against the Church--and innocent American babies)
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To: piasa
We’re talking about Christianity, not karma.

I'm not.

30 posted on 11/19/2012 10:07:03 PM PST by TigersEye (Who is John Galt?)
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To: haffast

A moral, legal, and constitutional abomination.

Better fight, folks. While you still can.


31 posted on 11/19/2012 10:07:56 PM PST by EternalVigilance (America's creed: Our rights come from God, not men. Governments exist to secure those rights.)
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To: haffast

The judge was appointed by Bush 43, BTW. Thanks, Dubya.


32 posted on 11/19/2012 10:08:21 PM PST by Campion ("Social justice" begins in the womb)
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To: Campion

It’s such a bad ruling it may give reason to appeal, perhaps.


33 posted on 11/19/2012 10:09:27 PM PST by piasa (Attitude adjustments offered here free of charge)
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To: dufekin

Frankly you’re right. The people of America voted for a lawless nation so the Constitution is in essence null and void now.


34 posted on 11/19/2012 10:09:38 PM PST by TigersEye (Who is John Galt?)
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To: TigersEye

My mistake, I was going by the thread topic being a Christian store.


35 posted on 11/19/2012 10:10:40 PM PST by piasa (Attitude adjustments offered here free of charge)
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To: piasa

Not a problem.


36 posted on 11/19/2012 10:13:23 PM PST by TigersEye (Who is John Galt?)
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To: dufekin
One of the arguments the left [regardless of its party label] has always used to push its babykilling agenda is the need to prevent tragic back alley abortions.

Now, they have no such concerns about forcing people onto back alley health care.

37 posted on 11/19/2012 10:15:13 PM PST by piasa (Attitude adjustments offered here free of charge)
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To: haffast

:)

Probably most people can still navigate around it...but I’m a putz. Har!


38 posted on 11/19/2012 10:17:18 PM PST by Bradís Gramma (Psalm 83)
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To: haffast

I would just refuse to do it.


39 posted on 11/19/2012 10:17:46 PM PST by Charles Henrickson
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To: haffast

Or appeal...


40 posted on 11/19/2012 10:30:43 PM PST by jeff19
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To: haffast

The answer is to stop offering health-care insurance the employees. Let the employees find their own insurance.


41 posted on 11/19/2012 10:38:21 PM PST by rawhide
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To: TigersEye

I agree. Give the employees a raise equal to what the company was paying for employee health insurance.


42 posted on 11/19/2012 10:40:21 PM PST by rawhide
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To: rawhide

Minus the ‘tax.’


43 posted on 11/19/2012 10:41:49 PM PST by TigersEye (Who is John Galt?)
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To: haffast

Tyndale House Publishers this past Friday actually won a temporary injunction against HHS because it also opposed paying for the same pills as Hobby Lobby.


44 posted on 11/19/2012 10:42:33 PM PST by cdga5for4
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To: haffast

what an inspiration. i pray God to help and gird them all.


45 posted on 11/19/2012 11:26:07 PM PST by dadfly
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To: UnwashedPeasant
I think they have an option to make all employees part-time. Of course, that would be destructive in many ways.

No. They fire all the employees and rehire them as contractors rather than employees. It's more and more common these days. Hobby Lobby will then not have to cover any benefits for the people who work there, and the people who work as contractors will still be able to work full time.

46 posted on 11/19/2012 11:47:10 PM PST by ottbmare (The OTTB Mare)
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To: piasa; TigersEye

1) I agree with you that karma is not relevant to this discussion. A Christian store owner is in view, who answers to God for his deeds. There is no possibility that a Christian can voluntarily support the murder of innocent children. Karma and Christian morality are by no means equivalent. See discussion here: http://carm.org/karma-and-sin

2) On the other hand, I agree in part with TC in that coercion can mitigate guilt, even in a Biblical system of morality. In fact, Jesus addressed the tax question head on. He knew all things future, so he knew this would be a major threshold of moral challenge for believers down through the ages. Tax money given to Caesar was used for many things not compatible with Christian morality, up to and including the murder of innocent people. Yet Jesus teaches us to pay the tax. It’s Caesar’s shiny trinket. Give it back to him. And if you don’t have enough, go look for that fish with the coin in it’s mouth. God Himself will provide you with a way to pay the tax.

The decision by Roberts that the mandate is a tax will, I think, prove to be providential. Remember who Obama is. He is no mere dictator. He is Doctor Moreau, believing he can transform our society, that is, us, through systematic deconstruction of the judeo-christian paradigm, no matter how painful that might be to his “subjects.” This means it is important for him to use tools like the mandate to tear us away from our convictions concerning the most fundamental of our rights, for if we can be moved off that, we can be moved off anything else, and all things become “negotiable.” But it appears God has already anticipated this move, and provided us with a means of continuing to live and think and act as morally free Christians, in obedience to Christ. We pay the tax, and continuing preaching against the sins of our “Herod,” and rely on our God to bring him to justice.

Peace,

SR


47 posted on 11/20/2012 12:03:49 AM PST by Springfield Reformer (Winston Churchill: No Peace Till Victory!)
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To: Springfield Reformer; piasa
You don't have to believe that actions have consequences. They will anyway. You can call a craft store a Christian store if you want to. You can pretend that this is a religious website and not a political website. You can think that religious freedom is only for Christians. It makes no difference to me.

If you would both like me to stop supporting conservative politics I can do that.

48 posted on 11/20/2012 12:20:30 AM PST by TigersEye (Who is John Galt?)
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To: Dogbert41
Only one thing to do: Close shop.

Nope. Cut everyone back to 28 hours, thereby eliminating their full-time employees and they'll no longer be required to (a) provide insurance or (b) pay for the morning after pill.

Problem solved.

49 posted on 11/20/2012 12:22:39 AM PST by usconservative (When The Ballot Box No Longer Counts, The Ammunition Box Does. (What's In Your Ammo Box?))
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To: Springfield Reformer
Karma

The Sanskrit word “karma” basically means “to do or act.” In most basic terms, the law of karma states that one reaps what one sows. The law of karma implies that every thought or deed, whether they are good or bad, will count in determining how an individual will be born in their next life on earth. So an individual with bad karma could be born many different times into lower castes of humans or even into lower forms of animals. In Hinduism, the person cannot be released until they are reborn into the Brahmin or priestly caste. So this is how karma and reincarnation are intertwined. So in reality individuals are in control of their salvation, which is their release from the cycle of birth and rebirth.1

BTW, that is absolute nonsense. You can't analyze something when you start with an entirely erroneous premise about it.

50 posted on 11/20/2012 12:22:56 AM PST by TigersEye (Who is John Galt?)
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