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Judge: Hobby Lobby must offer morning-after pill
Associated Press ^ | 11/19/2012 | TIM TALLEY

Posted on 11/19/2012 9:00:22 PM PST by haffast

OKLAHOMA CITY (AP) — A federal judge Monday rejected Hobby Lobby Stores Inc.'s request to block part of the federal health care overhaul that requires the arts and craft supply company to provide insurance coverage for the morning-after and week-after birth control pills.

In a 28-page ruling, U.S. District Judge Joe Heaton denied a request by Hobby Lobby to prevent the government from enforcing portions of the health care law mandating insurance coverage for contraceptives the company's Christian owners consider objectionable.

The Oklahoma City-based company and a sister company, Mardel Inc., sued the government in September, claiming the mandate violates the owners' religious beliefs. The owners contend the morning-after and week-after birth control pills are tantamount to abortion because they can prevent a fertilized egg from implanting in a woman's womb. They also object to providing coverage for certain kinds of intrauterine devices.

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Hobby Lobby's attorney said the companies' owners will appeal.

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Hobby Lobby is the largest business to file a lawsuit against the mandate.

Hobby Lobby calls itself a "biblically founded business" and is closed on Sundays. Founded in 1972, the company now operates more than 500 stores in 41 states and employs more than 13,000 full-time employees who are eligible for health insurance coverage. The company, which is self-insured, has said it will face a daily $1.3 million fine beginning Jan. 1 if it ignores the law.

"It is by God's grace and provision that Hobby Lobby has endured," said David Green, founder and CEO. "Therefore we seek to honor God by operating the company in a manner consistent with biblical principles."

The Green family has said it has no moral objection to the use of other contraceptives and will continue covering them for its employees.

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TOPICS: Business/Economy; Culture/Society; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: abortion; christian; evil; hobbylobby; moralabsolutes; obamacare; qstamendment
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To: haffast

The answer is to stop offering health-care insurance the employees. Let the employees find their own insurance.


41 posted on 11/19/2012 10:38:21 PM PST by rawhide
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To: TigersEye

I agree. Give the employees a raise equal to what the company was paying for employee health insurance.


42 posted on 11/19/2012 10:40:21 PM PST by rawhide
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To: rawhide

Minus the ‘tax.’


43 posted on 11/19/2012 10:41:49 PM PST by TigersEye (Who is John Galt?)
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To: haffast

Tyndale House Publishers this past Friday actually won a temporary injunction against HHS because it also opposed paying for the same pills as Hobby Lobby.


44 posted on 11/19/2012 10:42:33 PM PST by cdga5for4
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To: haffast

what an inspiration. i pray God to help and gird them all.


45 posted on 11/19/2012 11:26:07 PM PST by dadfly
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To: UnwashedPeasant
I think they have an option to make all employees part-time. Of course, that would be destructive in many ways.

No. They fire all the employees and rehire them as contractors rather than employees. It's more and more common these days. Hobby Lobby will then not have to cover any benefits for the people who work there, and the people who work as contractors will still be able to work full time.

46 posted on 11/19/2012 11:47:10 PM PST by ottbmare (The OTTB Mare)
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To: piasa; TigersEye

1) I agree with you that karma is not relevant to this discussion. A Christian store owner is in view, who answers to God for his deeds. There is no possibility that a Christian can voluntarily support the murder of innocent children. Karma and Christian morality are by no means equivalent. See discussion here: http://carm.org/karma-and-sin

2) On the other hand, I agree in part with TC in that coercion can mitigate guilt, even in a Biblical system of morality. In fact, Jesus addressed the tax question head on. He knew all things future, so he knew this would be a major threshold of moral challenge for believers down through the ages. Tax money given to Caesar was used for many things not compatible with Christian morality, up to and including the murder of innocent people. Yet Jesus teaches us to pay the tax. It’s Caesar’s shiny trinket. Give it back to him. And if you don’t have enough, go look for that fish with the coin in it’s mouth. God Himself will provide you with a way to pay the tax.

The decision by Roberts that the mandate is a tax will, I think, prove to be providential. Remember who Obama is. He is no mere dictator. He is Doctor Moreau, believing he can transform our society, that is, us, through systematic deconstruction of the judeo-christian paradigm, no matter how painful that might be to his “subjects.” This means it is important for him to use tools like the mandate to tear us away from our convictions concerning the most fundamental of our rights, for if we can be moved off that, we can be moved off anything else, and all things become “negotiable.” But it appears God has already anticipated this move, and provided us with a means of continuing to live and think and act as morally free Christians, in obedience to Christ. We pay the tax, and continuing preaching against the sins of our “Herod,” and rely on our God to bring him to justice.

Peace,

SR


47 posted on 11/20/2012 12:03:49 AM PST by Springfield Reformer (Winston Churchill: No Peace Till Victory!)
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To: Springfield Reformer; piasa
You don't have to believe that actions have consequences. They will anyway. You can call a craft store a Christian store if you want to. You can pretend that this is a religious website and not a political website. You can think that religious freedom is only for Christians. It makes no difference to me.

If you would both like me to stop supporting conservative politics I can do that.

48 posted on 11/20/2012 12:20:30 AM PST by TigersEye (Who is John Galt?)
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To: Dogbert41
Only one thing to do: Close shop.

Nope. Cut everyone back to 28 hours, thereby eliminating their full-time employees and they'll no longer be required to (a) provide insurance or (b) pay for the morning after pill.

Problem solved.

49 posted on 11/20/2012 12:22:39 AM PST by usconservative (When The Ballot Box No Longer Counts, The Ammunition Box Does. (What's In Your Ammo Box?))
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To: Springfield Reformer
Karma

The Sanskrit word “karma” basically means “to do or act.” In most basic terms, the law of karma states that one reaps what one sows. The law of karma implies that every thought or deed, whether they are good or bad, will count in determining how an individual will be born in their next life on earth. So an individual with bad karma could be born many different times into lower castes of humans or even into lower forms of animals. In Hinduism, the person cannot be released until they are reborn into the Brahmin or priestly caste. So this is how karma and reincarnation are intertwined. So in reality individuals are in control of their salvation, which is their release from the cycle of birth and rebirth.1

BTW, that is absolute nonsense. You can't analyze something when you start with an entirely erroneous premise about it.

50 posted on 11/20/2012 12:22:56 AM PST by TigersEye (Who is John Galt?)
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To: Springfield Reformer

Well that’s a weird way to pay a tax, to have to buy a certain item. What would a tax that was supposed to be paid by buying cornflakes be like?

I think Christian Atlases will simply have to shrug. A money tax they may pay; an immoral item they will not go to the marketplace and buy.

As for our feline friend with the karma, all due respect but don’t expect Christians to adopt karma into a biblical belief system.


51 posted on 11/20/2012 12:26:28 AM PST by HiTech RedNeck (How long before all this "fairness" kills everybody, even the poor it was supposed to help???)
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To: HiTech RedNeck

I guess I shouldn’t expect the courtesy of a ping when you’re talking to me but I wasn’t expecting anyone to believe that actions have consequences. I know they do and speak accordingly.


52 posted on 11/20/2012 12:30:42 AM PST by TigersEye (Who is John Galt?)
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To: TigersEye

And in turn Christians respectfully but emphatically disagree that the sort of thing you describe is a fundamental driver of the universe. A doctrine of karma may be an approximation to truth, but isn’t an ultimate fundamental truth which is revealed by a triune God in the Judeo-Christian bible. This disagreement has serious consequences, for one the Eastern religions’ insistence that Jesus Christ could not break “karma” by shouldering the load of sin voluntarily.


53 posted on 11/20/2012 12:30:42 AM PST by HiTech RedNeck (How long before all this "fairness" kills everybody, even the poor it was supposed to help???)
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To: TigersEye

Meow.


54 posted on 11/20/2012 12:31:39 AM PST by HiTech RedNeck (How long before all this "fairness" kills everybody, even the poor it was supposed to help???)
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To: HiTech RedNeck

So what? I wasn’t telling anyone what to believe. Like you are.


55 posted on 11/20/2012 12:32:05 AM PST by TigersEye (Who is John Galt?)
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To: TigersEye
No apologies here for the sotto voce to someone who was following the entire discussion like a hawk anyhow.
56 posted on 11/20/2012 12:33:49 AM PST by HiTech RedNeck (How long before all this "fairness" kills everybody, even the poor it was supposed to help???)
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To: HiTech RedNeck
When they came for the Christians I defended the Christians because it was the right thing to do and because I knew they would come for me too some day. The Christians slapped me in the face.

Meow.

57 posted on 11/20/2012 12:34:13 AM PST by TigersEye (Who is John Galt?)
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To: TigersEye

How do those blazing pants feel?


58 posted on 11/20/2012 12:34:19 AM PST by HiTech RedNeck (How long before all this "fairness" kills everybody, even the poor it was supposed to help???)
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To: TigersEye

Ultimately we don’t come to you for your favor. We tell you of a Favor that was done by Jesus Christ and extended to all who are willing to receive it.


59 posted on 11/20/2012 12:35:15 AM PST by HiTech RedNeck (How long before all this "fairness" kills everybody, even the poor it was supposed to help???)
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To: HiTech RedNeck

How does your blazing hypocrisy feel? LOL


60 posted on 11/20/2012 12:35:46 AM PST by TigersEye (Who is John Galt?)
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